date:20070316


I think I am really lucky all mine eat the medium end dry food.

Suzie does like to steal my chicken and cheese quesadillas right out of my
hand, though:).

I've never seen them refuse any sort of canned food - Felidae or the cheap
stuff.  I do save the cheap stuff (which I get donated a lot) for inappetant
cats.  If they get URI sometimes Friskies moist will get them to eat when
nothing else will:)


On 3/16/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Most of my brood eat primarily canned food (and people food), with dry
food always available for snacking.  The only cats I have ever seen devour
the expensive high quality canned food were half-starved new arrivals.
They had come from such awful circumstances that they would have eaten paint
off the walls too.

Say what you want about Friskies canned, but I have two who will eat
nothing else.  At least Sylvia (found last spring skinny as a rail and
hugely pregnant) will eat dry food in a pinch but she would rather live on
Friskies shredded turkey and cheese in gravy.  Marie, one of my own cats,
lives off of the Friskies Prime Fillets in gravy.  She's 9 years old and has
refused all other forms of cat food, including dry, her entire lifebut
she will eat chicken, turkey, tuna, meat baby food, asparagus, Chinese
take-out curried chicken...you get the idea.

Everyone (except Marie, of course) likes Kirkland dry, several varieties
of Purina dry, Science Diet, Iams, Eukanuba, Chicken Soup for the Cat
Lover's Soul.  If I were to feed only one brand of dry, I woiuld go with the
Chicken Soup variety.  Read the label.  In terms of quality and nutrition,
it's good stuff.  And they like it.

I supplement with a lot of people foodusually one meal a day is people
food.  In November and December I cooked a turkey every other weekend.  It's
cheap that time of year (a 20 pound turkey cost about the same as a case of
Friskies canned at Wallmart), they love it, it's good for them, and if I put
it in on Friday night before going to bed and cooked it at around 200
degrees, I woke up to a warm house and salivating cats.  I look for boneless
skinless chicken breasts on sale for 1.99 a pound, buy 4-pound cans of
tuna and salmon from a discount grocery.

If there's something they like -- like Marie Callendar brand rice,
chicken, cheese and broccoli casserole (for Little Sister Fuzzy Toes, a true
gourmand who also likes fruit pastries, cheese filled coffee cake, bagels
with or without cream cheese) or chicken and cheese quesadillas (for Selma)
or pureed sweet potatos (Bandida) they get it from time to time.  (We had
quite a run on pumpkin cheese cake around here when the discount grocery got
a ton of it after the holidays.)

My personal cats tend to live to be around 18 years old.  The fosters
plump up nicely, get over any issues of food aggression quickly, and
socialize well.  So I must be doing something right.  Never had any cases of
diabetes or gout.  And if I tried to switch them to a primary diet of
high-end dry food they would probably kill me in my sleep.  Or pee in my
shoes for revenge.  So I think I'll just keep catering to their tastes and
keep the peace.

*Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

Isn't that the truth. We have cats that I can put tuna in front of and
they won't touch it. Then we had the one who would only eat the Wal Mart
brand Albacore tuna. When we were bottle feeding we had a horrible time with
some of them - they would still be drinking ONLY KMR if allowed. I remember
mixing home made formula (evaportaed milk, baby cereal, egg yolk, with a
drop of corn syrup) - most loved it but some refused to get near it.
We have one cat on S/O 9prescription diet) for urinary tract
infection. The vet told us to put one of the others on it also. Patches
almost died. She stopped eating altogether. It took us forever to get her
eating again. She went anorexic. With using the abacore tuna and Friskies
Pacific Salmon - she is now back up to 10 pounds and doing great.




-Original Message-
From: Belinda
Sent: Mar 16, 2007 1:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions

   And then you have those cats that simply WILL NOT eat the good stuff,
I can beg until I'm blue in the face, I have a few who will eat anything BUT
I have a couple who will stop eating if I only put down the good stuff,
they just won't have it.  I make the change gradually, teaspoon at a time in
their regular food, I've even had them eat it for a while after taking
months to get them switched over and then suddenly they just refuse to eat
it any more.  I've gotten my group off Fancy Feast 3 times in the last
several years but they ALWAYS eventually quit eating the good stuff and
after a few days of them not eating they get their Fancy Feast back.  I'm
not happy about but I know all too well the dangers of not eating and I
ain't going there!!!

I have to disagree with some of the below. It is nice to want to feed your
cats the very best, however

RE: Need to place Chief ASAP

Susan,
 
I never said I can't afford to neuter him. I said I WOULD neuter him if
someone can take him.
 
My other cat is very old and doesn't like him. He gets along fine. It's
the FIV+ that's the problem.
 
I'm in North Carolina and he has a vet appt that is paid for to be
fixed.
 
I can't afford to feed all of us and get a big enough apartment.
Steph
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need to place Chief ASAP
 
There's no such thing as placing an FeLV+ cat quicklyespecially an
unneutered male who thus far does not get along with other cats.
 
Getting him neutered will go a long ways towards helping him get along
with other cats.  And n ot having him neutered pretty much guarantees
issues.
 
Where do you live?  There must be low cost neutering available somewhere
nearby.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am in a position of needing to place my FELV+ quickly.

I must move by May 1st, and he doesn't get along with my other FIV+
Geriatric cat. I will be moving into a small studio and working 2 jobs
to keep my head above water. I can not afford a second cat.

He's scheduled to be neutered next month, I'll pay that if someone can
take him. Even it it's temporary for a year. If I must keep him I will,
but it means a bigger apartment so I can keep them seperated and it's
not an expense I can handle right now.

If anyone would consider him please email me or call me @ 704-214-7818

Thanks,
Steph

Re: BIG TEST QUESTION

2007-03-16 Thread Sally Davis


I must be a very unlucky person because I had 3 and probably 4 cats FeLV.
Only two were related from litters a year apart. The other two cats were not
related to my cats and had recently been adopted. What are the odds of
adopting two cats one from a shelter one from an individual and my own two
cats who were half brother being Felv positive. My cats were indoor outdoor
friendly cats who ate from the same bowls . I also have another cat who is
related from yet another litter, she is negative. The older cats faired the
best. I am talking 7 years or older. I also think at least 2 maybe three
cats had at least one vaccination against Felv that would have been 6 yrs
ago.

I say probably 4 because the 1st cat to die had symptoms and died at the
vet's office after two days of IV antibiotics. He was anemic and jaundiced.
He crashed during the night. He did not know who I was it was heart
breaking. Pumpkin was not tested, but I feel he was FeLV positive. He was
adopted last March.

Junior who was being treated for anemia went back to his vet two days later
bc of my concern about Pumpkin's death being related. Junior who tested
negative about 6 months prior was now positive and had a temp of 106.5.

The other two cats who tested positive were adopted that same year after my
precious Fluffy was PTS for bone cancer. I still have another cat from the
same mother. She was negative. I do not plan to retest unless the other cats
show symptoms. The negs were all vaccinated.

This all occurred last year. I think at least two cats caught the virus from
the others. If not I was unlucky to have adopted two sick cats and have two
sick cats. Just the facts at my household. I don't know if this still fits
your theory.

Junior has his needle aspiration of the lymph nodes tomorrow. Here's hoping
it's just and infection. He is experiencing discomfort.

Junior has been to the vet and is on Baytril. She will call me back later
with results. A cursory exam showed inflammatory tissue and  fatty tissue.
She may go ahead and send the needle aspiration off to the lab.

I am having problems with my computer and was not able to send the email
last night.

Keep good thought for Junior.

Sally



On 3/13/07, Kelly L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


if anyone out there has any reliable statistics on how many cats
tested negative for FELV,,and then after living with positive kitties
converted i would sure like to know,
i just have this gut feeling that it is so very very few.
i think frequently one cat may be positive and the others never
tested unless they become ill and wow,,,they are positive,,and yet
they may have been positive all their lives but just asymptomatic,
Those are the valuable statistics..those are the statistics that
cause healthy FELV cats to be PTS ( killed)
most of us here seem to have the experience of no transmission in adult
cats,
The only way to be sure is if a cat was once
negativeTHEN   became infected,,,and positive,
Kelly

Re: Need to place Chief ASAP


do you have a photo of him? that's the first thing second is to go to
this page: http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and post his info on all the
places under places to post positive cats (or  however it's phrased).

please give us more information, also, so we can pass the word on: how old
is he, what color is he? has he been retested with the IFA to ensure he's
truly positive? is he safe with you for the next month while people work on
finding him a place?

MC

On 3/16/07, Stephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Susan,



I never said I can't afford to neuter him. I said I WOULD neuter him if
someone can take him.



My other cat is very old and doesn't like him. He gets along fine. It's
the FIV+ that's the problem.



I'm in North Carolina and he has a vet appt that is paid for to be fixed.



I can't afford to feed all of us and get a big enough apartment.

Steph



-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Susan Hoffman
*Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2007 8:01 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: Need to place Chief ASAP



There's no such thing as placing an FeLV+ cat quicklyespecially an
unneutered male who thus far does not get along with other cats.



Getting him neutered will go a long ways towards helping him get along
with other cats.  And n ot having him neutered pretty much guarantees
issues.



Where do you live?  There must be low cost neutering available somewhere
nearby.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am in a position of needing to place my FELV+ quickly.

I must move by May 1st, and he doesn't get along with my other FIV+
Geriatric cat. I will be moving into a small studio and working 2 jobs to
keep my head above water. I can not afford a second cat.

He's scheduled to be neutered next month, I'll pay that if someone can
take him. Even it it's temporary for a year. If I must keep him I will, but
it means a bigger apartment so I can keep them seperated and it's not an
expense I can handle right now.

If anyone would consider him please email me or call me @ 704-214-7818

Thanks,
Steph







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MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: any other catfood suggestions


yep, as i've said before, sometimes when dealing with cats, the best food is
whatever the heck they'll eat..

until THEY start reading the labels and the research--or better yet,
DIRECTING the research, sometimes we just have to listen to them

(my very-early-crf darling--psychotic, all-4-paw-declawed calico, is one of
those would-rather-starve-to-death-than-eat-ANYTHING-but-delicat... or as
i've always called it, garbage food. she's been with me almost 7 years,
and she would NOT switch, so i just fed her separately when her BUN went
up, started making her the ground turkey food, which she was eating well.
had a little foster meezer in that room with her, who was eating the science
diet. knew lacey wouldn't touch it, so didn't worry. noticed two weeks
ago that lacey was NOT eating much of her turkey food--but she WAS eating
the science diet, after all these years. little BEAST.

(lacey, you're going to DIE if you don't eat the good food! i'm going to
die anyway, mom. well, yes, but i'd rather it be later than sooner. mom,
don't you realize by now that there really isn't anything you can do to
change anything? that  what's supposed to happen is gonna? just love me.
don't you hate philosophical smart-aleck calicos? )

On 3/16/07, Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Most of my brood eat primarily canned food (and people food), with dry
food always available for snacking.  The only cats I have ever seen devour
the expensive high quality canned food were half-starved new arrivals.
They had come from such awful circumstances that they would have eaten paint
off the walls too.

Say what you want about Friskies canned, but I have two who will eat
nothing else.  At least Sylvia (found last spring skinny as a rail and
hugely pregnant) will eat dry food in a pinch but she would rather live on
Friskies shredded turkey and cheese in gravy.  Marie, one of my own cats,
lives off of the Friskies Prime Fillets in gravy.  She's 9 years old and has
refused all other forms of cat food, including dry, her entire lifebut
she will eat chicken, turkey, tuna, meat baby food, asparagus, Chinese
take-out curried chicken...you get the idea.

Everyone (except Marie, of course) likes Kirkland dry, several varieties
of Purina dry, Science Diet, Iams, Eukanuba, Chicken Soup for the Cat
Lover's Soul.  If I were to feed only one brand of dry, I woiuld go with the
Chicken Soup variety.  Read the label.  In terms of quality and nutrition,
it's good stuff.  And they like it.

I supplement with a lot of people foodusually one meal a day is people
food.  In November and December I cooked a turkey every other weekend.  It's
cheap that time of year (a 20 pound turkey cost about the same as a case of
Friskies canned at Wallmart), they love it, it's good for them, and if I put
it in on Friday night before going to bed and cooked it at around 200
degrees, I woke up to a warm house and salivating cats.  I look for boneless
skinless chicken breasts on sale for 1.99 a pound, buy 4-pound cans of
tuna and salmon from a discount grocery.

If there's something they like -- like Marie Callendar brand rice,
chicken, cheese and broccoli casserole (for Little Sister Fuzzy Toes, a true
gourmand who also likes fruit pastries, cheese filled coffee cake, bagels
with or without cream cheese) or chicken and cheese quesadillas (for Selma)
or pureed sweet potatos (Bandida) they get it from time to time.  (We had
quite a run on pumpkin cheese cake around here when the discount grocery got
a ton of it after the holidays.)

My personal cats tend to live to be around 18 years old.  The fosters
plump up nicely, get over any issues of food aggression quickly, and
socialize well.  So I must be doing something right.  Never had any cases of
diabetes or gout.  And if I tried to switch them to a primary diet of
high-end dry food they would probably kill me in my sleep.  Or pee in my
shoes for revenge.  So I think I'll just keep catering to their tastes and
keep the peace.

*Debbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

Isn't that the truth. We have cats that I can put tuna in front of and
they won't touch it. Then we had the one who would only eat the Wal Mart
brand Albacore tuna. When we were bottle feeding we had a horrible time with
some of them - they would still be drinking ONLY KMR if allowed. I remember
mixing home made formula (evaportaed milk, baby cereal, egg yolk, with a
drop of corn syrup) - most loved it but some refused to get near it.
We have one cat on S/O 9prescription diet) for urinary tract
infection. The vet told us to put one of the others on it also. Patches
almost died. She stopped eating altogether. It took us forever to get her
eating again. She went anorexic. With using the abacore tuna and Friskies
Pacific Salmon - she is now back up to 10 pounds and doing great.




-Original Message-
From: Belinda
Sent: Mar 16, 2007 1:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions

   And then you have

Re: interesting info on the felidae website..


Well, it makes sense to me.  Like corn is the actual thing that you eat
off the cob, or out of the can, and corn meal is the same thing dried and
ground up.  So it makes a lot of sense that corn would be heavier in water
weight than corn meal.  I have no idea if meat is the same way, and just
because a thing makes sense to me doesn't make it right.  But it does make
sense to me!

On 3/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 saw this, and it's got me to wondering, as I thought meal was a way to
get cheap by-products into foods, and not better than meat... opinions?

What does the real difference mean to your pets and you?
Meat
[Chicken  Lamb are 70% water and only 15% protein]
Pet food labels found in grocery and mass marketers like to use Chicken or
Lamb to represent real meat. –(Containing 70% moisture). This leads you the
consumer to believe that their product is meat based. Chicken or lamb meats
are heavier than grains prior to cooking. The moisture contained in the
meats (70%) is reduced by 2/3rds after the cooking process, leaving the
total formula as a grain base food after processing.
vs.
Meal
[Chicken Meal and Lamb Meal are dry and 50% to 65% protein] meat protein!
Canidae Pet foods list Chicken Meal  Turkey meal as the first
ingredients. Chicken, Turkey and Lamb meals are dry and are less than 10%
moisture and contain 50% - 65% meat proteins. In processing the meat meals
do not shrink below the grain weight, producing a true meat based formula
for your carnivores.
AAFCO label rules require that, the heaviest to the lightest ingredients
be the order on the guaranteed analysis panel, (with or without water
content).

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources





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Re: vaccinate FIV+ for FeLV?


There is an interesting webinar on this subject at
https://petsmartcharities.webex.com/mw0304l/mywebex/default.do?siteurl=petsmartcharities

On 3/15/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


distemper is a very nasty death, tho.. that's one i just won't mess
with and while a lot of the deaths were kittens, there were a lot of
adults who went too. but it's very different when you're not talking a
multi-cat environment, or taking in rescues, or fosters..

On 3/15/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'm sure it varies vaccine to vaccine. Regardless... I wont vaccinate
 except for one time (except rabies, where I have some legal consequences
 involved if I don't). That being said, I quarantine any new cats that come
 in, just in case. The thing is, some of the things we vaccinate for are not
 typically fatal illnesses for healthy adult cats anyways, so it's kinda like
 getting the flu shot if you're a human, yes, it will keep you from getting
 sock, but unless you're old, ill, or weak in some way, it generally wont
 kill you even if you DO get it. I don't get flu shots for myself either, for
 the record... and when I went to college, I refused my hepatitis and
 whatever else they give you at that age (some childhood vaccine booster),
 and got a titer pulled on myself, and it proved sufficient immunity to allow
 myself to be admitted.

 Phaewryn

 http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
 Special Needs Cat Resources




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http://www.rescuties.org

Vist the Rescuties store and save a kitty life!

http://astore.amazon.com/rescuties-20

RE: Need to place Chief ASAP

I'll post him today.
 
He's white with one blue and one yellow eye. He truly is a positive.
 
He's safe with me, and I can take him back in November. If anyone wants
the nitty gritty personal details email me privately.
 
Suffice to say I'll be working 2 jobs to keep food on the table for me
and my animals I'm keeping. The FIV+ Cat is 16 and terrified of people,
so I can't rehome her. He's a people cat and will be okay being rehomed.
Also having to sell a horse and just keeping my special needs pony.
 
This is so hard to do guys, but it's for the best for all involved. I've
had him 2 years now.
 
Steph
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need to place Chief ASAP
 
do you have a photo of him? that's the first thing second is to go
to this page: http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and post his info on all
the places under places to post positive cats (or  however it's
phrased). 

please give us more information, also, so we can pass the word on: how
old is he, what color is he? has he been retested with the IFA to ensure
he's truly positive? is he safe with you for the next month while people
work on finding him a place? 

MC
On 3/16/07, Stephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Susan ,
 
I never said I can't afford to neuter him. I said I WOULD neuter him if
someone can take him.
 
My other cat is very old and doesn't like him. He gets along fine. It's
the FIV+ that's the problem.
 
I'm in North Carolina and he has a vet appt that is paid for to be
fixed.
 
I can't afford to feed all of us and get a big enough apartment.
Steph
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need to place Chief ASAP
 
There's no such thing as placing an FeLV+ cat quicklyespecially an
unneutered male who thus far does not get along with other cats.
 
Getting him neutered will go a long ways towards helping him get along
with other cats.  And n ot having him neutered pretty much guarantees
issues.
 
Where do you live?  There must be low cost neutering available somewhere
nearby.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am in a position of needing to place my FELV+ quickly.

I must move by May 1st, and he doesn't get along with my other FIV+
Geriatric cat. I will be moving into a small studio and working 2 jobs
to keep my head above water. I can not afford a second cat.

He's scheduled to be neutered next month, I'll pay that if someone can
take him. Even it it's temporary for a year. If I must keep him I will,
but it means a bigger apartment so I can keep them seperated and it's
not an expense I can handle right now.

If anyone would consider him please email me or call me @ 704-214-7818

Thanks,
Steph
 



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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

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MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Hello Again - Slinky Sick


the instructions for doing sub-q fluids was just posted on the list the
other day--you should be able to search back for them, or someone can
repost. most people i know have had their vet show them how to do it the
first time, because it seems scary, tho in reality it's an incredibly simple
process that can make all the difference in the world to your kitty. may not
be able to SAVE them, but can make even the worst times, and times of
passage, more comfortable.



On 3/16/07, Marissa Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


How do I get home sub-q fluids?  Vet or...?  Are those fluids I have to
inject or...?  His fever seems to be going back up.  :(  Thanks for the
positive energy!

MJ

*[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]* wrote:

I'll be sending positive energy for Slinky. I don't have anything to
suggest, home sub-q fluids might be helpful if his fever spikes again.

Phaewryn

http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html
Special Needs Cat Resources


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Re: RE: Need to place Chief ASAP

2007-03-16 Thread Nina

Oh Stephanie, I'm so sorry about the rough spot you've hit.  It sounds 
just heart wrenching.  We've got to do what we've got to do, it doesn't 
sound like you've reached your conclusions lightly.  Maybe you could 
post your felv pos as foster home needed.  People might be quicker to 
help out knowing that he will have a home with you when you're back on 
your feet.  Perhaps you could do the same sort of thing with your 
horse?  There must be a million young girls out there that would be 
thrilled to have a horse to ride and love in exchange for vet care and 
board.  You might be able to work something out that will be good for 
everyone concerned and still be able to bring the family back together 
eventually.

Prayers and strength to you,
Nina

Stephanie E Caldwell wrote:


I'll post him today.

 


He's white with one blue and one yellow eye. He truly is a positive.

 

He's safe with me, and I can take him back in November. If anyone 
wants the nitty gritty personal details email me privately.


 

Suffice to say I'll be working 2 jobs to keep food on the table for me 
and my animals I'm keeping. The FIV+ Cat is 16 and terrified of 
people, so I can't rehome her. He's a people cat and will be okay 
being rehomed. Also having to sell a horse and just keeping my special 
needs pony.


 

This is so hard to do guys, but it's for the best for all involved. 
I've had him 2 years now...


 


Steph

 


-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *TenHouseCats

*Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2007 9:30 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: Need to place Chief ASAP

 

do you have a photo of him? that's the first thing second is to go 
to this page: http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and post his info on all 
the places under places to post positive cats (or  however it's 
phrased).


please give us more information, also, so we can pass the word on: how 
old is he, what color is he? has he been retested with the IFA to 
ensure he's truly positive? is he safe with you for the next month 
while people work on finding him a place?


MC

Re: Need to place Chief ASAP

2007-03-16 Thread Jennifer Madon

We have a FeLV male and are not interested in providing a forever home 
to anymore FeLV cats at this time.  But I may be interested if it is 
just a foster situation.

Jennifer

Nina wrote:
Oh Stephanie, I'm so sorry about the rough spot you've hit.  It sounds 
just heart wrenching.  We've got to do what we've got to do, it 
doesn't sound like you've reached your conclusions lightly.  Maybe you 
could post your felv pos as foster home needed.  People might be 
quicker to help out knowing that he will have a home with you when 
you're back on your feet.  Perhaps you could do the same sort of thing 
with your horse?  There must be a million young girls out there that 
would be thrilled to have a horse to ride and love in exchange for vet 
care and board.  You might be able to work something out that will be 
good for everyone concerned and still be able to bring the family back 
together eventually.

Prayers and strength to you,
Nina

Stephanie E Caldwell wrote:


I'll post him today.

 


He's white with one blue and one yellow eye. He truly is a positive.

 

He's safe with me, and I can take him back in November. If anyone 
wants the nitty gritty personal details email me privately.


 

Suffice to say I'll be working 2 jobs to keep food on the table for 
me and my animals I'm keeping. The FIV+ Cat is 16 and terrified of 
people, so I can't rehome her. He's a people cat and will be okay 
being rehomed. Also having to sell a horse and just keeping my 
special needs pony.


 

This is so hard to do guys, but it's for the best for all involved. 
I've had him 2 years now...


 


Steph

 


-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *TenHouseCats

*Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2007 9:30 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: Need to place Chief ASAP

 

do you have a photo of him? that's the first thing second is to 
go to this page: http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and post his info on 
all the places under places to post positive cats (or  however it's 
phrased).


please give us more information, also, so we can pass the word on: 
how old is he, what color is he? has he been retested with the IFA to 
ensure he's truly positive? is he safe with you for the next month 
while people work on finding him a place?


MC

For those of you who use compounded drugs, for humans or for pets: Safe Drug Compounding Act of 2007

Hey guys,

This email was listed on the feline hyperT site.  I
know that many of you, like me, use compounded drugs,
like Tapazole or Cyproheptadine, on our furbabies. 
Many people depend on compounded drugs for treatment
of themselves or their pets.  There is a new
legislation in Congress proposing to curb
compounding pharmacies. The legislation might possibly
affect the treatment of our animals, and it was
suggested that there is a possibility that we will no
longer have access to any compounded drugs in the US
for our pets.  I could not get the link to open as we
are having Internet issues, so I'm hoping that is not
true.  If it is true, ask the Europeans how they cope
with not being able to use compounded drugs...

Here is an article on Safe Drug Compounding Act of
2007 
http://www.newswise .com/articles/ view/528006/ 

and here is P2C2
Action Alert http://tinyurl. com/2bwx74 
link if you decide to participate.  It's easy to send
your legislators an email via this website.  You just
have to fill in your personal info. and they base who
it's sent to on your address.  The letter is already
prefabricated, but you can change it any way you want
before sending it.

Thanks!
:)
Wendy




 

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Re: For those of you who use compounded drugs, for humans or for pets: Safe Drug Compounding Act of 2007


This would be really bad.  Ack.

On 3/16/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hey guys,

This email was listed on the feline hyperT site.  I
know that many of you, like me, use compounded drugs,
like Tapazole or Cyproheptadine, on our furbabies.
Many people depend on compounded drugs for treatment
of themselves or their pets.  There is a new
legislation in Congress proposing to curb
compounding pharmacies. The legislation might possibly
affect the treatment of our animals, and it was
suggested that there is a possibility that we will no
longer have access to any compounded drugs in the US
for our pets.  I could not get the link to open as we
are having Internet issues, so I'm hoping that is not
true.  If it is true, ask the Europeans how they cope
with not being able to use compounded drugs...

Here is an article on Safe Drug Compounding Act of
2007
http://www.newswise .com/articles/ view/528006/

and here is P2C2
Action Alert http://tinyurl. com/2bwx74
link if you decide to participate.  It's easy to send
your legislators an email via this website.  You just
have to fill in your personal info. and they base who
it's sent to on your address.  The letter is already
prefabricated, but you can change it any way you want
before sending it.

Thanks!
:)
Wendy







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RE: Need to place Chief ASAP/Foster

Jennifer,
 
I can take him back in November or December.
 
Steph
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Madon
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need to place Chief ASAP
 
We have a FeLV male and are not interested in providing a forever home
to anymore FeLV cats at this time.  But I may be interested if it is
just a foster situation.
Jennifer

Nina wrote: 
Oh Stephanie, I'm so sorry about the rough spot you've hit.  It sounds
just heart wrenching.  We've got to do what we've got to do, it doesn't
sound like you've reached your conclusions lightly.  Maybe you could
post your felv pos as foster home needed.  People might be quicker to
help out knowing that he will have a home with you when you're back on
your feet.  Perhaps you could do the same sort of thing with your horse?
There must be a million young girls out there that would be thrilled to
have a horse to ride and love in exchange for vet care and board.  You
might be able to work something out that will be good for everyone
concerned and still be able to bring the family back together
eventually.
Prayers and strength to you,
Nina

Stephanie E Caldwell wrote: 
I'll post him today.
 
He's white with one blue and one yellow eye. He truly is a positive.
 
He's safe with me, and I can take him back in November. If anyone wants
the nitty gritty personal details email me privately.
 
Suffice to say I'll be working 2 jobs to keep food on the table for me
and my animals I'm keeping. The FIV+ Cat is 16 and terrified of people,
so I can't rehome her. He's a people cat and will be okay being rehomed.
Also having to sell a horse and just keeping my special needs pony.
 
This is so hard to do guys, but it's for the best for all involved. I've
had him 2 years now.
 
Steph
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need to place Chief ASAP
 
do you have a photo of him? that's the first thing second is to go
to this page: http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and post his info on all
the places under places to post positive cats (or  however it's
phrased). 

please give us more information, also, so we can pass the word on: how
old is he, what color is he? has he been retested with the IFA to ensure
he's truly positive? is he safe with you for the next month while people
work on finding him a place? 

MC

RE: RE: Need to place Chief ASAP

Thank you Nina.
 
I'll try posting him as a foster. Part of the scary thing for me is
money is so tight that I can't afford to treat a major illness. I can't
get sick and my animals can't get sick or hurt. 
 
The horse won't be affordable for a few years, so sadly he's for sale. 
 
Thanks guys. I appreciate it!
Steph
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: RE: Need to place Chief ASAP
 
Oh Stephanie, I'm so sorry about the rough spot you've hit.  It sounds
just heart wrenching.  We've got to do what we've got to do, it doesn't
sound like you've reached your conclusions lightly.  Maybe you could
post your felv pos as foster home needed.  People might be quicker to
help out knowing that he will have a home with you when you're back on
your feet.  Perhaps you could do the same sort of thing with your horse?
There must be a million young girls out there that would be thrilled to
have a horse to ride and love in exchange for vet care and board.  You
might be able to work something out that will be good for everyone
concerned and still be able to bring the family back together
eventually.
Prayers and strength to you,
Nina

Stephanie E Caldwell wrote: 
I'll post him today.
 
He's white with one blue and one yellow eye. He truly is a positive.
 
He's safe with me, and I can take him back in November. If anyone wants
the nitty gritty personal details email me privately.
 
Suffice to say I'll be working 2 jobs to keep food on the table for me
and my animals I'm keeping. The FIV+ Cat is 16 and terrified of people,
so I can't rehome her. He's a people cat and will be okay being rehomed.
Also having to sell a horse and just keeping my special needs pony.
 
This is so hard to do guys, but it's for the best for all involved. I've
had him 2 years now.
 
Steph
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need to place Chief ASAP
 
do you have a photo of him? that's the first thing second is to go
to this page: http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and post his info on all
the places under places to post positive cats (or  however it's
phrased). 

please give us more information, also, so we can pass the word on: how
old is he, what color is he? has he been retested with the IFA to ensure
he's truly positive? is he safe with you for the next month while people
work on finding him a place? 

MC

Re: Need to place Chief ASAP/Foster

2007-03-16 Thread Jennifer Madon

I will check with my hubby tonight and let you know.  Having him fixed 
would be great because I do have a male cat.  I also have children.  Is 
that a problem for Chief?  Also, what part of NC?

Jennifer

Stephanie E Caldwell wrote:


Jennifer,

 


I can take him back in November or December.

 


Steph

 


-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Jennifer Madon

*Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2007 10:54 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: Need to place Chief ASAP

 

We have a FeLV male and are not interested in providing a forever home 
to anymore FeLV cats at this time.  But I may be interested if it is 
just a foster situation.

Jennifer

Nina wrote:

Oh Stephanie, I'm so sorry about the rough spot you've hit.  It sounds 
just heart wrenching.  We've got to do what we've got to do, it 
doesn't sound like you've reached your conclusions lightly.  Maybe you 
could post your felv pos as foster home needed.  People might be 
quicker to help out knowing that he will have a home with you when 
you're back on your feet.  Perhaps you could do the same sort of thing 
with your horse?  There must be a million young girls out there that 
would be thrilled to have a horse to ride and love in exchange for vet 
care and board.  You might be able to work something out that will be 
good for everyone concerned and still be able to bring the family back 
together eventually.

Prayers and strength to you,
Nina

Stephanie E Caldwell wrote:

I'll post him today.

 


He's white with one blue and one yellow eye. He truly is a positive.

 

He's safe with me, and I can take him back in November. If anyone 
wants the nitty gritty personal details email me privately.


 

Suffice to say I'll be working 2 jobs to keep food on the table for me 
and my animals I'm keeping. The FIV+ Cat is 16 and terrified of 
people, so I can't rehome her. He's a people cat and will be okay 
being rehomed. Also having to sell a horse and just keeping my special 
needs pony.


 

This is so hard to do guys, but it's for the best for all involved. 
I've had him 2 years now...


 


Steph

 


-Original Message-
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *TenHouseCats

*Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2007 9:30 AM
*To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: Need to place Chief ASAP

 

do you have a photo of him? that's the first thing second is to go 
to this page: http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and post his info on all 
the places under places to post positive cats (or  however it's 
phrased).


please give us more information, also, so we can pass the word on: how 
old is he, what color is he? has he been retested with the IFA to 
ensure he's truly positive? is he safe with you for the next month 
while people work on finding him a place?


MC

RE: Need to place Chief ASAP/Foster

2007-03-16 Thread Susan Loesch

Stephanie - you aren't by any chance in or near Houston are you?   I saw below 
about your horses.  We (in Little Rock) adopted a cat to a girl outside of 
Houston who has a horse rescue group.

Stephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }st2\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) 
}Jennifer,
   
  I can take him back in November or December.
   
  Steph
   
  -Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jennifer Madon
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 10:54 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need to place Chief ASAP
   
  We have a FeLV male and are not interested in providing a forever home to 
anymore FeLV cats at this time.  But I may be interested if it is just a foster 
situation.
Jennifer

Nina wrote: 
  Oh Stephanie, I'm so sorry about the rough spot you've hit.  It sounds just 
heart wrenching.  We've got to do what we've got to do, it doesn't sound like 
you've reached your conclusions lightly.  Maybe you could post your felv pos as 
foster home needed.  People might be quicker to help out knowing that he will 
have a home with you when you're back on your feet.  Perhaps you could do the 
same sort of thing with your horse?  There must be a million young girls out 
there that would be thrilled to have a horse to ride and love in exchange for 
vet care and board.  You might be able to work something out that will be good 
for everyone concerned and still be able to bring the family back together 
eventually.
Prayers and strength to you,
Nina

Stephanie E Caldwell wrote: 
  Ill post him today.
   
  Hes white with one blue and one yellow eye. He truly is a positive.
   
  Hes safe with me, and I can take him back in November. If anyone wants the 
nitty gritty personal details email me privately.
   
  Suffice to say Ill be working 2 jobs to keep food on the table for me and my 
animals Im keeping. The FIV+ Cat is 16 and terrified of people, so I cant 
rehome her. Hes a people cat and will be okay being rehomed. Also having to 
sell a horse and just keeping my special needs pony.
   
  This is so hard to do guys, but its for the best for all involved. Ive had 
him 2 years now
   
  Steph
   
  -Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 9:30 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need to place Chief ASAP
   
  do you have a photo of him? that's the first thing second is to go to 
this page: http://ucat.us/FELVFIVFIP.html and post his info on all the places 
under places to post positive cats (or  however it's phrased). 

please give us more information, also, so we can pass the word on: how old is 
he, what color is he? has he been retested with the IFA to ensure he's truly 
positive? is he safe with you for the next month while people work on finding 
him a place? 

MC

Cassie losing weight

2007-03-16 Thread Debbie



We have a cat called Cassie. She is nervous. She doesn't like other cats a whole lot, yet likes people and dogs. She bumps against the Labs on purpose and meows. She is a short haired gray tabby (always been kept inside). She is 4 years old. She has only ever weighed about 7.5 pounds but now she is down to 6 pounds. She eats and drinks, but I can feel the tops of her hip bones when I stroke her. She's been to a vet, tested negative for FELV, is spayed, with all other shots. She sleeps alot (but then so do most cats), likes to be petted, but is squirmy. She sometimes spits up undigested food after eating quickly. She is a very picky eater. Should we be concerned about the weight? She is the one I mentioned before that pulled her fur out on the backs of her hind legs (the weight thing and the fur thing started about the same time).

Feline leukemia info from Best Friends


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Re: Need to place Chief ASAP

2007-03-16 Thread Nina

I don't know what your situation is specifically Steph, but don't 
convince yourself that things can't turn around quickly.  Certainly, do 
what you have to do, but please stop telling yourself and others that 
it's going to take years to be financially stable.  What harm can it 
cause to imagine that something that you do, or some circumstance that 
you can't foresee will present itself sooner than you think?  I know 
that it sounds trite to hear, think positively, but something about 
expecting miracles keeps us open to the possibility, and more 
importantly, it can enable us to spot the opportunities we might miss if 
our heads are hanging too low to see them when they present themselves. 
Blessings,

Nina

Stephanie E Caldwell wrote:


Thank you Nina.

 

I'll try posting him as a foster. Part of the scary thing for me is 
money is so tight that I can't afford to treat a major illness. I 
can't get sick and my animals can't get sick or hurt.


 


The horse won't be affordable for a few years, so sadly he's for sale.

 


Thanks guys... I appreciate it!

Re: any other catfood suggestions

2007-03-16 Thread PEC2851

 
In a message dated 3/15/07 9:01:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

(and  there are quite a few people who are very poor and yet share a 
tremendous  amount with their pets) 


That would definitely be me, especially since my MVA. ( I  was on SSDI PRIOR 
to MVA, NO insurance,  now faced w/ over $200,000 + [ever  growing] medical 
expenses...
Having said that, my furbabies still come first
And, since coming home I've been faced with - 1) Cornelius's passing - very  
suddenly  unexpected   2) Puma's illness[es] - diagnosed with  both toxo 
[dry] FIP  3) Black Bart, a feral who NEVER trusted me.  [And it was 
Charity, 
another feral, who led me to him ] And,  finally he put his trust in 
meJust sadly too late.   And dear Charity, is no longer an outside feral. 
In 
fact, w/ me  she's a love muffin!  Downside, I am the only human she  
trusts In my home, in a large crate 'til I get her to vetThank  
heavens I had 
her spayed when I trapped her, but her constant, close contact w/  Bart does 
have me concerned.  Just another vet bill - which ALWAYS gets  paid!] Needless 
to say, it was too late for poor old Bart.[severely anemic,  old, thin 
but VERY bloated, lots of fluid, probably the most classic case of  [wet] FIP 
I've ever seen], and doing rescue almost my entire life, I have seen  too 
much. And still intact. And 4) - my precious fish, won't  even get into 
that 
- but I did lose my Fred...
However, I always made a point to get these babies to vet [$$$].  Even  w/ 
Rescue Rates it has been awfully expensive, be it exams, [including  BW  
ongoing meds/treatments - Puma] or euthanasia (Bart)   cremation -[Cornelius 
and 
Bart] - no room in freezer, poor Fred's STILL  there!
And, yes, I do feed them expensive dry food..(Always did,  always 
will..)
That being said, I will confess, I DO feed Friskies wet.  And my dear,  
ancient Puma does get his Fancy Feast whenever he desires.  Which is at  least 
4+ X 
a day He's ancient  I feel he deserves whatever  he wants..
And, not to get completely OT, but I cook for my (4) dogs!  Yes,  they DO 
get dry, but living w/ a dog w/ food allergies is certainly a challenge,  to 
put it mildly. Only upside is it's ok. [I'm a vegan  have a veg dog!!!  
Probably not too many people can attest to that!] Natural Balance  Only  
Natural 
Pet have some GREAT food.  Dog  Cat.
Sorry I went OT  rambled, but being housebound, I don't get out  much..
Hugs to all,
Patti  her gang




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Re: any other catfood suggestions

2007-03-16 Thread Gussies mom

This is ridiculous. I come to this list because I have a sick baby that I love 
very much. A cat that is not even mine, though I wouldn't give him up for the 
world. I'm looking for help and support. Now I'm being told I feed my cats CRAP 
because I feed Science Diet because that is what the shelter gives me. Now I'm 
being told I should give up my cats to someone who can feed them better. My 
cats are all from the streets. They are problem cats that nobody else wanted. 
Who would you suggest take them? I do rescue. There are thousands of people 
trying to give up their animals. Should the shelter I work with, that took in 
700 animals last year, not take in unwanted animals or pull them from death row 
because, after all, we will be feeding them Science Diet CRAP? Should we not 
have taken in the cats with the broken legs, the one that needed heart surgery, 
the one that was lit on fire, the ones who's teeth are bad and have to be 
pulled, the ones who were kept in chicken coops
 their whole lives, the ones who are so neglected they are afraid of human 
touch, the ones who were sent by their wonderful owners to live out their last 
days awaitng the gas chamber because they grew old or became to much work; 
because we would have to feed them Science Diet? 
  I guess we should have told them we couldn't spend all that money on medical 
care for them because we needed to feed them more expensive food. I'm sure they 
would have understood. Perhaps we should have left Stamp crying in the bushes 
at the Post Office. I'm sure someone in that run down neighborhood would have 
come along and given him a much better home with better food. I'm sure there 
were people just lined up!
   
  My cats are taken care of. They go to the vet when they are sick. They are 
loved. That's probably more than most cats in this world have.
   
  I buy my clothes at thrift shops - yes, you can find nice things there. I 
just sold an 11 year old car with 200,000 miles and bought a care with 91,000 
miles.  I struggle to pay $425 per month for health insurance with a 2,500 
deductible. I don't go out to eat a lot. I ususally eat yogurt for dinner. I 
struggle to fund a 401K every month so I will have money in my old age. . The 
last vacation I took (first in about 10 years) was driving a paid for rental 
car (someone had hit my car, so I got a free rental) to Florida to stay for 
free with a friend who lives by the beach. We all struggle to make choices. I 
believe in personal responsibility. If have to take care of myself. Yes, that 
comes first. Because if I cannot do that, then I surely cannot take care of 
another living thing. 
   
  Beth
   
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats 
you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to feed 
decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get less cats, not 
less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to ever feed a food that 
doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a 
meat-based diet, then you need to give up your cats to someone that can afford 
to take proper care of them. That being said... 
   
  Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I would not 
consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's pretty far 
down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures, mind you - something 
you generally don't see, LOL! They live the life of luxury though, and lay 
around and sleep all day and night (except for food time). Here's the link to 
the website for Healthwise, and Natura (the company that makes it) is very good 
at getting it to most areas: 
http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
Phaewryn
   
  http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html 
Special Needs Cat Resources


 
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RE: any other catfood suggestions--for Patti

I'll say it again, Pattiyou are such an inspiration to me! 
hugs, Kerry
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions

In a message dated 3/15/07 9:01:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

(and there are quite a few people who are very poor and yet
share a tremendous amount with their pets) 

That would definitely be me, especially since my MVA. ( I was on SSDI
PRIOR to MVA, NO insurance,  now faced w/ over $200,000 + [ever
growing] medical expenses...
Having said that, my furbabies still come first
And, since coming home I've been faced with - 1) Cornelius's passing -
very suddenly  unexpected   2) Puma's illness[es] - diagnosed with both
toxo [dry] FIP  3) Black Bart, a feral who NEVER trusted me. [And
it was Charity, another feral, who led me to him ] And, finally he
put his trust in meJust sadly too late.  And dear Charity, is no
longer an outside feral. In fact, w/ me she's a love muffin!  Downside,
I am the only human she trusts In my home, in a large crate 'til I
get her to vetThank heavens I had her spayed when I trapped her, but
her constant, close contact w/ Bart does have me concerned.  Just
another vet bill - which ALWAYS gets paid!] Needless to say, it was too
late for poor old Bart.[severely anemic, old, thin but VERY bloated,
lots of fluid, probably the most classic case of [wet] FIP I've ever
seen], and doing rescue almost my entire life, I have seen too much. And
still intact. And 4) - my precious fish, won't even get into that
- but I did lose my Fred...
However, I always made a point to get these babies to vet [$$$].  Even
w/ Rescue Rates it has been awfully expensive, be it exams, [including
BW  ongoing meds/treatments - Puma] or euthanasia (Bart)  cremation
-[Cornelius and Bart] - no room in freezer, poor Fred's STILL there!
And, yes, I do feed them expensive dry food..(Always did, always
will..)
That being said, I will confess, I DO feed Friskies wet.  And my dear,
ancient Puma does get his Fancy Feast whenever he desires.  Which is at
least 4+ X a day He's ancient  I feel he deserves whatever he
wants..
And, not to get completely OT, but I cook for my (4) dogs!  Yes,
they DO get dry, but living w/ a dog w/ food allergies is certainly a
challenge, to put it mildly. Only upside is it's ok. [I'm a vegan 
have a veg dog!!! Probably not too many people can attest to that!]
Natural Balance  Only Natural Pet have some GREAT food.  Dog  Cat.
Sorry I went OT  rambled, but being housebound, I don't get out
much..
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RE: any other catfood suggestions

Agreed. Would that it were so easy to find homes, and solve the problem
of homeless cats. One day, hopefully, but that sure ain't the case now.
Thanks for everything you do Beth. If there were more like you the world
would be a better place. (And that goes for Phaewryn too.) Kerry
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Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 4:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: any other catfood suggestions

This is ridiculous. I come to this list because I have a sick baby that
I love very much. A cat that is not even mine, though I wouldn't give
him up for the world. I'm looking for help and support. Now I'm being
told I feed my cats CRAP because I feed Science Diet because that is
what the shelter gives me. Now I'm being told I should give up my cats
to someone who can feed them better. My cats are all from the streets.
They are problem cats that nobody else wanted. Who would you suggest
take them? I do rescue. There are thousands of people trying to give up
their animals. Should the shelter I work with, that took in 700 animals
last year, not take in unwanted animals or pull them from death row
because, after all, we will be feeding them Science Diet CRAP? Should we
not have taken in the cats with the broken legs, the one that needed
heart surgery, the one that was lit on fire, the ones who's teeth are
bad and have to be pulled, the ones who were kept in chicken coops their
whole lives, the ones who are so neglected they are afraid of human
touch, the ones who were sent by their wonderful owners to live out
their last days awaitng the gas chamber because they grew old or became
to much work; because we would have to feed them Science Diet? 
I guess we should have told them we couldn't spend all that money on
medical care for them because we needed to feed them more expensive
food. I'm sure they would have understood. Perhaps we should have left
Stamp crying in the bushes at the Post Office. I'm sure someone in that
run down neighborhood would have come along and given him a much better
home with better food. I'm sure there were people just lined up!

My cats are taken care of. They go to the vet when they are sick. They
are loved. That's probably more than most cats in this world have.

I buy my clothes at thrift shops - yes, you can find nice things there.
I just sold an 11 year old car with 200,000 miles and bought a care with
91,000 miles.  I struggle to pay $425 per month for health insurance
with a 2,500 deductible. I don't go out to eat a lot. I ususally eat
yogurt for dinner. I struggle to fund a 401K every month so I will have
money in my old age. . The last vacation I took (first in about 10
years) was driving a paid for rental car (someone had hit my car, so I
got a free rental) to Florida to stay for free with a friend who lives
by the beach. We all struggle to make choices. I believe in personal
responsibility. If have to take care of myself. Yes, that comes first.
Because if I cannot do that, then I surely cannot take care of another
living thing. 

Beth

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I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many
cats you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford
to feed decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get
less cats, not less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for anyone to
ever feed a food that doesn't have meat as the first ingredient... if
you can't afford to feed a meat-based diet, then you need to give up
your cats to someone that can afford to take proper care of them. That
being said... 

Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I
would not consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but
it's pretty far down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE
creatures, mind you - something you generally don't see, LOL! They live
the life of luxury though, and lay around and sleep all day and night
(except for food time). Here's the link to the website for Healthwise,
and Natura (the company that makes it) is very good at getting it to
most areas:
http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detailpxsl=%2F%2Fproduct%5B@
id%3D%27544%27%5D 

Phaewryn

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speaking of pet food: major national recall announced today


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17650075/

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Re: speaking of pet food: major national recall announced today


I'm glad you said something - I was just about to post.  This is just
terrible.

elizabeth


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Re: speaking of pet food: major national recall announced today


someone on another list says that menu makes nutro

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I'm glad you said something - I was just about to post.  This is just
terrible.

elizabeth


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more on the pet-food recall... iams and eukanuba?


http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/pg03_07.html

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Re: speaking of pet food: major national recall announced today


I heard about it on the radio on the way home from work -- they said that
'menu foods' should have their website updated with all the brands effected
by tomorrow.

This is really scary - my neighbor's baby passed away in her arms yesterday
on the way to the vets -- plus, I think of all the UTI issues I've been
having with Antonio lately (he seems fine now but I'm watching him like a
hawk).

I hope we hear the whole story on this and find out what happened.  I'm
trying to figure out what ingredient or process could cause a pet food to be
so dangerous.  Hoping too that this will put the focus on pet food
manufacturers and quality control.

elizabeth



On 3/16/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


someone on another list says that menu makes nutro

On 3/16/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm glad you said something - I was just about to post.  This is just
 terrible.

 elizabeth


  On 3/16/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 
  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17650075/
 
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Re: more on the pet-food recall... iams and eukanuba?


Holy cow!

elizabeth


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http://www.fda.gov/oc/po/firmrecalls/pg03_07.html

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Re: speaking of pet food: major national recall announced today


i've been trying to get to their website since i first heard about it--too
much traffic for it to come up!


On 3/16/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I heard about it on the radio on the way home from work -- they said that
'menu foods' should have their website updated with all the brands effected
by tomorrow.

This is really scary - my neighbor's baby passed away in her arms
yesterday on the way to the vets -- plus, I think of all the UTI issues I've
been having with Antonio lately (he seems fine now but I'm watching him like
a hawk).

I hope we hear the whole story on this and find out what happened.  I'm
trying to figure out what ingredient or process could cause a pet food to be
so dangerous.  Hoping too that this will put the focus on pet food
manufacturers and quality control.

elizabeth



On 3/16/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 someone on another list says that menu makes nutro

 On 3/16/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 
  I'm glad you said something - I was just about to post.  This is just
  terrible.
 
  elizabeth
 
 
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   http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17650075/
  
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Re: speaking of pet food: major national recall announced today


What on earth could have happened?

elizabeth


On 3/16/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


i've been trying to get to their website since i first heard about it--too
much traffic for it to come up!


On 3/16/07, elizabeth trent  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I heard about it on the radio on the way home from work -- they said
 that 'menu foods' should have their website updated with all the brands
 effected by tomorrow.

 This is really scary - my neighbor's baby passed away in her arms
 yesterday on the way to the vets -- plus, I think of all the UTI issues I've
 been having with Antonio lately (he seems fine now but I'm watching him like
 a hawk).

 I hope we hear the whole story on this and find out what happened.  I'm
 trying to figure out what ingredient or process could cause a pet food to be
 so dangerous.  Hoping too that this will put the focus on pet food
 manufacturers and quality control.

 elizabeth



 On 3/16/07, TenHouseCats [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
 
  someone on another list says that menu makes nutro
 
  On 3/16/07, elizabeth trent [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote:
  
   I'm glad you said something - I was just about to post.  This is
   just terrible.
  
   elizabeth
  
  
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17650075/
   
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Transfusion?

2007-03-16 Thread Marissa Johnson

Hi.  Does anyone have any experience with blood transfusions for sick kitties?  
Two vets now have basically told me that's about the only recourse I have left 
for trying to turn Slinky around.  He seems to be doing a BIT better right 
now...I took him in and got some Sub-Q fluids (though I haven't started them 
yet), but I think being outside probably got his fever down a bit.  I also gave 
him some vitamin C, L-Lysine, Hi-Vite, and his 2 abx.  He sees a bit more 
energetic and actually left my bedroom for the first time in days!  
   
  But the vet says his gums look like he basically has no blood (low red cell 
count).  I have no idea if I can even afford it, but I'm going to do some 
research into costs and payment plan options tomorrow.  He's still eating, 
grooming, etc. so I think he wants to fight...and I told him I'd keep fighting 
'till he tells me to stop.
   
  Anyway, was just wondering if anyone had any experience with transfusions.  
Do you think it's worthwhile?  Is it horribly invasive or traumatic?  Is it 
something that has to be repeated periodically or...?  Any info or advice would 
be most appreciated.  Thanks!
   
  Love and hugs to everyone's fur kids!
   
  MJ

 
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Re: Transfusion?

2007-03-16 Thread Gloria Lane

In my limited experience, blood transfusions really really can help,  
for a while.  Not traumatic.  I think there's a limit on the # of  
blood transfusions kitty can get, I don't know why.


Gloria


On Mar 16, 2007, at 7:30 PM, Marissa Johnson wrote:

Hi.  Does anyone have any experience with blood transfusions for  
sick kitties?  Two vets now have basically told me that's about the  
only recourse I have left for trying to turn Slinky around.  He  
seems to be doing a BIT better right now...I took him in and got  
some Sub-Q fluids (though I haven't started them yet), but I think  
being outside probably got his fever down a bit.  I also gave him  
some vitamin C, L-Lysine, Hi-Vite, and his 2 abx.  He sees a bit  
more energetic and actually left my bedroom for the first time in  
days!


But the vet says his gums look like he basically has no blood (low  
red cell count).  I have no idea if I can even afford it, but I'm  
going to do some research into costs and payment plan options  
tomorrow.  He's still eating, grooming, etc. so I think he wants to  
fight...and I told him I'd keep fighting 'till he tells me to stop.


Anyway, was just wondering if anyone had any experience with  
transfusions.  Do you think it's worthwhile?  Is it horribly  
invasive or traumatic?  Is it something that has to be repeated  
periodically or...?  Any info or advice would be most appreciated.   
Thanks!


Love and hugs to everyone's fur kids!

MJ

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Junior's tests

2007-03-16 Thread Sally Davis


For some reason I did not see an earlier post I made. Maybe it is just how
gmail organizes. Sorry if this duplicates the prevoius post.

Anyway, Junior had his needle aspiration of his lymph nodes. A quick look
indicated inflammatory tissue and fatty tissue. Dr Staunton was going to
look at it again later today. I did not hear back from her so I am pretty
sure she sent the sample to the lab. She put Junior on Baytril in case it is
from infection. If he has lymphoma she may do Metacam on him. I understand
there are risks with cats and this drug. The Feline Lymphoma group did not
understand the choice of drug. I do know she does not want to use
traditional drugs that would suppress his immune system. Junior was actually
better after his visit today even though he was stuck a couple times. I
think he likes Dr Staunton. He must be a ladies man.

The choice of Metacam is bc it has anti inflammatory properties as well as
anti tumor properties. Anyone here have any ideas about this drug. I am
still hoping it is just infectio, which is bad enough.

Thanks for all your prayers.

Sally

RE: Transfusion?

Marissa, I'm so sorry to hear Slinky is sick though glad he seems to be
doing a bit better when you wrote. Has the vet drawn blood to determine
Slinky's red blood cell count---termed as PCV (packed cell volume) or
HCT (hematocrit)? I know I would want to know that number before
agreeing to transfusion. My FeLV positive kitty Flavia's PCV had
plummeted to 7.5 prior to her transfusion (as a comparison my healthy
cat who donated the blood was 34). Bottom line: she rose to 21 after the
transfusion (which was deemed ok by vet), and then over over the next 10
days it plummeted again. 
I knew the transfusion was only a means to give me time to find a way to
save her. I was going to start her on IR but it was too late by the time
I ordered it and I didn't want to put her through another transfusion.
I had to leave Flavia at the emergency clinic overnight while she was
being transfused, and I didn't like doing that. She must have been so
scared, as well as not feeling good. But I hope that while she was being
transfused she began to feel better. (I know it's not painful for
humans; I hope it's the same for cats.) She certainly must have felt
better for a few days after it.
Slinky sounds like he's in better shape than Flavia was---Flavia was
pretty well listless and breathing rapidly when I rushed her to the vet.
Sending positive vibes for Slinky. Please keep us posted when you have
time. I won't be on the list again till Monday, but if you'd like to
email me offlist re transfusion, please feel free---I'm at
[EMAIL PROTECTED], or call me at 773 327 5653. I'll be on the run over
weekend but will check my (dial-up) email morning, noon and evening.
hugs, Kerry
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marissa
Johnson
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 7:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Transfusion?


Hi.  Does anyone have any experience with blood transfusions for sick
kitties?  Two vets now have basically told me that's about the only
recourse I have left for trying to turn Slinky around.  He seems to be
doing a BIT better right now...I took him in and got some Sub-Q fluids
(though I haven't started them yet), but I think being outside probably
got his fever down a bit.  I also gave him some vitamin C, L-Lysine,
Hi-Vite, and his 2 abx.  He sees a bit more energetic and actually left
my bedroom for the first time in days!  
 
But the vet says his gums look like he basically has no blood (low red
cell count).  I have no idea if I can even afford it, but I'm going to
do some research into costs and payment plan options tomorrow.  He's
still eating, grooming, etc. so I think he wants to fight...and I told
him I'd keep fighting 'till he tells me to stop.
 
Anyway, was just wondering if anyone had any experience with
transfusions.  Do you think it's worthwhile?  Is it horribly invasive or
traumatic?  Is it something that has to be repeated periodically or...?
Any info or advice would be most appreciated.  Thanks!
 
Love and hugs to everyone's fur kids!
 
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Re: Transfusion?

2007-03-16 Thread C J

I just got a transfusion for my Tomi a week ago, he was very anaemic with his 
blood count being only 9 (anything below 12 is critical they said).  It looks 
like they did it through his front leg, as he had a bandage on it after, but I 
don't know if they had to sedate him for that or not.  They did it Friday 
afternoon, and I brought him home Saturday at noon (he ate his food so they 
said he could go).

Probably the most traumatic thing for him, is they had him next to a noisy dog, 
and he is really scared of strange places/people/dogs.

It cost me $200, plus the overnight stay, and it definately made him feel 
better.  His blood count is only up to 17 now though, a week later, so he's not 
out of the woods yet.  It was 13 after the transfusion, so at least its going 
up slowly.  

To me, it was worth it, as I don't think he would have lived without it.  
Whether i've bought him a only little more time, or a lot more time, I don't 
know yet.

Did they test Slinky's blood to see what the actual count is?  If its not 
critically low, you could try the wait and see approach.  Tomi's gums were 
pretty much white when his blood count was at 9, they're noticably pinker now.

Good luck with your kitty
Cassandra
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marissa Johnson 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:30 PM
  Subject: Transfusion?


  Hi.  Does anyone have any experience with blood transfusions for sick 
kitties?  Two vets now have basically told me that's about the only recourse I 
have left for trying to turn Slinky around.  He seems to be doing a BIT better 
right now...I took him in and got some Sub-Q fluids (though I haven't started 
them yet), but I think being outside probably got his fever down a bit.  I also 
gave him some vitamin C, L-Lysine, Hi-Vite, and his 2 abx.  He sees a bit more 
energetic and actually left my bedroom for the first time in days!  

  But the vet says his gums look like he basically has no blood (low red cell 
count).  I have no idea if I can even afford it, but I'm going to do some 
research into costs and payment plan options tomorrow.  He's still eating, 
grooming, etc. so I think he wants to fight...and I told him I'd keep fighting 
'till he tells me to stop.

  Anyway, was just wondering if anyone had any experience with transfusions.  
Do you think it's worthwhile?  Is it horribly invasive or traumatic?  Is it 
something that has to be repeated periodically or...?  Any info or advice would 
be most appreciated.  Thanks!

  Love and hugs to everyone's fur kids!

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Re: For those of you who use compounded drugs, for humans or for pets: Safe Drug Compounding Act of 2007


not to mention dumb...

elizabeth
p.s.  link is this (too many spaces) - just takes you to the homepage not an
article...
http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/528006/


On 3/16/07, Kelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


This would be really bad.  Ack.

On 3/16/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hey guys,

 This email was listed on the feline hyperT site.  I
 know that many of you, like me, use compounded drugs,
 like Tapazole or Cyproheptadine, on our furbabies.
 Many people depend on compounded drugs for treatment
 of themselves or their pets.  There is a new
 legislation in Congress proposing to curb
 compounding pharmacies. The legislation might possibly
 affect the treatment of our animals, and it was
 suggested that there is a possibility that we will no
 longer have access to any compounded drugs in the US
 for our pets.  I could not get the link to open as we
 are having Internet issues, so I'm hoping that is not
 true.  If it is true, ask the Europeans how they cope
 with not being able to use compounded drugs...

 Here is an article on Safe Drug Compounding Act of
 2007
 http://www.newswise .com/articles/ view/528006/

 and here is P2C2
 Action Alert http://tinyurl. com/2bwx74
 link if you decide to participate.  It's easy to send
 your legislators an email via this website.  You just
 have to fill in your personal info. and they base who
 it's sent to on your address.  The letter is already
 prefabricated, but you can change it any way you want
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RE: Transfusion?

One more thing, Melissa--I live in Chicago, and the cost was $400 for
the transfusion and $150 or more for drawing the blood donated by one of
my cats, much more than I thought it wd be. Kerry
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of C  J
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Transfusion?

I just got a transfusion for my Tomi a week ago, he was very anaemic
with his blood count being only 9 (anything below 12 is critical they
said).  It looks like they did it through his front leg, as he had a
bandage on it after, but I don't know if they had to sedate him for that
or not.  They did it Friday afternoon, and I brought him home Saturday
at noon (he ate his food so they said he could go).

Probably the most traumatic thing for him, is they had him next to a
noisy dog, and he is really scared of strange places/people/dogs.

It cost me $200, plus the overnight stay, and it definately made him
feel better.  His blood count is only up to 17 now though, a week later,
so he's not out of the woods yet.  It was 13 after the transfusion, so
at least its going up slowly.  

To me, it was worth it, as I don't think he would have lived without it.
Whether i've bought him a only little more time, or a lot more time, I
don't know yet.

Did they test Slinky's blood to see what the actual count is?  If its
not critically low, you could try the wait and see approach.  Tomi's
gums were pretty much white when his blood count was at 9, they're
noticably pinker now.

Good luck with your kitty
Cassandra

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From: Marissa Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 6:30 PM
Subject: Transfusion?

Hi.  Does anyone have any experience with blood transfusions for
sick kitties?  Two vets now have basically told me that's about the only
recourse I have left for trying to turn Slinky around.  He seems to be
doing a BIT better right now...I took him in and got some Sub-Q fluids
(though I haven't started them yet), but I think being outside probably
got his fever down a bit.  I also gave him some vitamin C, L-Lysine,
Hi-Vite, and his 2 abx.  He sees a bit more energetic and actually left
my bedroom for the first time in days!  

But the vet says his gums look like he basically has no blood
(low red cell count).  I have no idea if I can even afford it, but I'm
going to do some research into costs and payment plan options tomorrow.
He's still eating, grooming, etc. so I think he wants to fight...and I
told him I'd keep fighting 'till he tells me to stop.

Anyway, was just wondering if anyone had any experience with
transfusions.  Do you think it's worthwhile?  Is it horribly invasive or
traumatic?  Is it something that has to be repeated periodically or...?
Any info or advice would be most appreciated.  Thanks!

Love and hugs to everyone's fur kids!

MJ

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Questions on Interferon

2007-03-16 Thread C J

The Vet had another look at Tomi today, a week after his transfusion, and gave 
me a 500ML bottle of Interferon Alfa-2B 30ui/ml, that they had just received.

His blood count was 17, up from 16 on Monday, which isn't as much as the vet 
was hoping for, so Tomi's supposed to stay on Prednisone for another week at 
one pill a day (he's been getting 2 a day so far).  Now I shouldn't be giving 
him the Interferon until he is done taking Prednisone right?  The vet said I 
should probably wait, but wasn't positive as I don't think she's very familiar 
with Interferon treatment.

Another thing, I read something about freezing Interferon.  My bottle just says 
on it to keep refrigerated.  Will the Interferon last for months just being 
refrigerated?

Thanks for all the info being shared here, i've learned a lot in the past week. 
 The tip on baby food was a lifesaver, as he's being a very picky eater this 
last week, turning his nose up even at tuna.  The baby food he seems to like 
though.

Website listing all foods in recall; lots of vendors

Here's the link:

http://www.iamscruelty.com/menulist.asp

I have not checked validity, so you might cross
reference it before you freak out if you have one of
the brands listed.  I think this is for cats only, but
don't quote me on that.

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Re: Transfusion?

2007-03-16 Thread Marissa Johnson

Would you recommend Epogen or Winstrol instead of a transfusion or in addition 
(like after the transfusion)?  No one has mentioned either of them.  I can't 
afford to keep paying for office visits in addition to the treatments.  But 
I'll try calling my vet to see if they'd do either of them.  What is Epogen?  
   
  THANKS!!!
   
  M

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Marissa,

What about Epogen? Have you tried that? Also,
Winstrol, a steroid, stimulates red blood cell
production. Has your vet mentioned that? A
transfusion can buy your kitty time for other
treatments to work, but it is only temporary. You
have to have a treatment in mind for Slinky. The
transfusion only buys time.

:)
Wendy

--- Marissa Johnson 
wrote:

 Hi. Does anyone have any experience with blood
 transfusions for sick kitties? Two vets now have
 basically told me that's about the only recourse I
 have left for trying to turn Slinky around. He
 seems to be doing a BIT better right now...I took
 him in and got some Sub-Q fluids (though I haven't
 started them yet), but I think being outside
 probably got his fever down a bit. I also gave him
 some vitamin C, L-Lysine, Hi-Vite, and his 2 abx. 
 He sees a bit more energetic and actually left my
 bedroom for the first time in days! 
 
 But the vet says his gums look like he basically
 has no blood (low red cell count). I have no idea
 if I can even afford it, but I'm going to do some
 research into costs and payment plan options
 tomorrow. He's still eating, grooming, etc. so I
 think he wants to fight...and I told him I'd keep
 fighting 'till he tells me to stop.
 
 Anyway, was just wondering if anyone had any
 experience with transfusions. Do you think it's
 worthwhile? Is it horribly invasive or traumatic? 
 Is it something that has to be repeated periodically
 or...? Any info or advice would be most
 appreciated. Thanks!
 
 Love and hugs to everyone's fur kids!
 
 MJ
 
 
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RE: Need to place Chief ASAP

2007-03-16 Thread Susan Hoffman

You can't afford to overpay on anything, including a neuter, and it's really 
hard to find a placement, permanent or foster, for an unaltered male cat.  It 
takes time after the neuter to get the testosterone out of a cat's system and 
anyone considering taking him in will be concerned with agression and spraying 
and other behaviors that are common in unnaltered male cats.  You will have a 
much easier time placing him if he is already fixed.
   
  If the neuter is already paid for, by all means get him in and get it done as 
soon as possible.  Or, if you can get the money back, check around for 
something cheaper.  You don't mention where in NC you are.  (My mom's in 
Hendersonville.)  Let me know the town/city and I can check around to see what 
resources may be available.

Stephanie E Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) }st2\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) 
}Susan,
   
  I never said I cant afford to neuter him. I said I WOULD neuter him if 
someone can take him.
   
  My other cat is very old and doesnt like him. He gets along fine. Its the 
FIV+ thats the problem.
   
  Im in North Carolina and he has a vet appt that is paid for to be fixed.
   
  I cant afford to feed all of us and get a big enough apartment.
  Steph
   
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2007 8:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Need to place Chief ASAP
   
There's no such thing as placing an FeLV+ cat quicklyespecially an 
unneutered male who thus far does not get along with other cats.

 

Getting him neutered will go a long ways towards helping him get along with 
other cats.  And n ot having him neutered pretty much guarantees issues.

 

Where do you live?  There must be low cost neutering available somewhere 
nearby.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am in a position of needing to place my FELV+ quickly.

I must move by May 1st, and he doesn't get along with my other FIV+ Geriatric 
cat. I will be moving into a small studio and working 2 jobs to keep my head 
above water. I can not afford a second cat.

He's scheduled to be neutered next month, I'll pay that if someone can take 
him. Even it it's temporary for a year. If I must keep him I will, but it means 
a bigger apartment so I can keep them seperated and it's not an expense I can 
handle right now.

If anyone would consider him please email me or call me @ 704-214-7818

Thanks,
Steph

Re: any other catfood suggestions

2007-03-16 Thread Kelly L

At 02:28 PM 3/16/2007, you wrote:

You are doing a wonderful thing for your cats. ignore the judgemental
BS please,,,keep on keepin on

Kelly

This is ridiculous. I come to this list because I have a sick baby
that I love very much. A cat that is not even mine, though I
wouldn't give him up for the world. I'm looking for help and
support. Now I'm being told I feed my cats CRAP because I feed
Science Diet because that is what the shelter gives me. Now I'm
being told I should give up my cats to someone who can feed them
better. My cats are all from the streets. They are problem cats that
nobody else wanted. Who would you suggest take them? I do rescue.
There are thousands of people trying to give up their animals.
Should the shelter I work with, that took in 700 animals last year,
not take in unwanted animals or pull them from death row because,
after all, we will be feeding them Science Diet CRAP? Should we not
have taken in the cats with the broken legs, the one that needed
heart surgery, the one that was lit on fire, the ones who's teeth
are bad and have to be pulled, the ones who were kept in chicken
coops their whole lives, the ones who are so neglected they are
afraid of human touch, the ones who were sent by their wonderful
owners to live out their last days awaitng the gas chamber because
they grew old or became to much work; because we would have to feed
them Science Diet?
I guess we should have told them we couldn't spend all that money on
medical care for them because we needed to feed them more expensive
food. I'm sure they would have understood. Perhaps we should have
left Stamp crying in the bushes at the Post Office. I'm sure someone
in that run down neighborhood would have come along and given him a
much better home with better food. I'm sure there were people just lined up!

My cats are taken care of. They go to the vet when they are sick.
They are loved. That's probably more than most cats in this world have.

I buy my clothes at thrift shops - yes, you can find nice things
there. I just sold an 11 year old car with 200,000 miles and bought
a care with 91,000 miles. I struggle to pay $425 per month for
health insurance with a 2,500 deductible. I don't go out to eat a
lot. I ususally eat yogurt for dinner. I struggle to fund a 401K
every month so I will have money in my old age. . The last vacation
I took (first in about 10 years) was driving a paid for rental car
(someone had hit my car, so I got a free rental) to Florida to stay
for free with a friend who lives by the beach. We all struggle to
make choices. I believe in personal responsibility. If have to take
care of myself. Yes, that comes first. Because if I cannot do that,
then I surely cannot take care of another living thing.

Beth

[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm of the very controversial opinion that no matter how many cats
you have, there's no excuse to feed BAD food. If you can't afford to
feed decent food, then you can't afford to have that many cats. Get
less cats, not less expensive food. There isn't any excuse for
anyone to ever feed a food that doesn't have meat as the first
ingredient... if you can't afford to feed a meat-based diet, then
you need to give up your cats to someone that can afford to take
proper care of them. That being said...

Healthwise is the cheap food I feed to my feral cats here. I would
not consider anything cheaper than that (it does have corn, but it's
pretty far down the ingredient list). My ferals are OBESE creatures,
mind you - something you generally don't see, LOL! They live the
life of luxury though, and lay around and sleep all day and night
(except for food time). Here's the link to the website for
Healthwise, and Natura (the company that makes it) is very good at
getting it to most areas:
http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://naturapet.com/display.php?d=product-detail[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Transfusion?

Hey Marissa,

Epogen is basically the same thing as Procrit for
humans.  You can probably do Epogen and/or Winstrol
while also transfusing.  I don't know about doing
Epogen and Winstrol at the same time; I imagine it's
probably ok.  But I do believe you can do the
transfusion with the other treatments.  I think it
takes Epogen a while to work if it's going to.  Maybe
two weeks?  I'm not sure about that.  Repost your
questions about Epogen with Epogen as your subject
line, and those who've had experience using it will be
more apt to read the message and reply.  Lots of
people here in the past have used it.  I don't know
enough about Winstrol to know if you could use it with
Epogen, but your vet should know that.  And you might
also be able to find info on the internet about the
combination.  Some vets don't use Winstrol anymore
because they link it to kidney failure over extended
periods of use, but for short periods, it's ok as far
as I understand.  Time will be of the essence with
anemia.  Transfusions are sometimes viewed as a waste
of time, other times not.  If Slinky cannot start
making red blood cells again, then the transfusion can
only draw out the inevitable.  Slinky being able to
produce red blood cells depends on if his anemia is
regenerative or non-regenerative.  If it's
non-regenerative, meaning that he has no reticulocyte
count at all, then that's not good.  But if he does
have some reticulocytes, then that means that his body
is trying to make rbc's, and the Epogen and a
transfusion might help.  If your vet doesn't know what
reticulocytes are, find a new one.  An Internal Vet or
Oncological vet will be your best bet in fighting
anemia.  If it were my kitty, I'd start the Epogen
asap, and if you can afford the transfusion, because
it will probably be $200-$400, do it.  However, if you
think your vet knows what he is talking about, and
doesn't think the transfusion or Epogen will help,
then you might have to consider letting Slinky go.  I
know you don't want to think about that; it's so hard.
 I am so sorry that Slinky's rbc is down.  I lost my
baby to anemia and I know what you are going through. 
I didn't have the resources that you have now though. 
I got a lot of info. after it was too late.  I didn't
have Cricket on Epogen because I didn't know about it.
 Only you and Slinky will be the right ones to make
the decision.  I'm praying for wisdom and peace for
you.  Please keep us posted Marissa.

:)
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Re: Website listing all foods in recall; lots of vendors


since this doesn't list the brands mentioned in the fda press release, i
think i'll wait til tomorrow when the official list comes out.

On 3/16/07, wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Here's the link:

http://www.iamscruelty.com/menulist.asp

I have not checked validity, so you might cross
reference it before you freak out if you have one of
the brands listed.  I think this is for cats only, but
don't quote me on that.

:)
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60 Million Containers of Pet Food Recalled After Dog and Cat Deaths

2007-03-16 Thread Lora

Did anyone see/read this?

The recalled pet food was sold by stores operated by
the Kroger Company, Safeway Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc.
(WMT) and PETSMART Inc., among others.

I shop at Petsmart! Scary stuff!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,259223,00.html

www.menufoods.com/recall

FYI: Menufoods had shut down their website until
Saturday 03-17-07 morning. I have googled, yahooed and
MSNed them and I did not turn up a thing. I keep
getting the message:

Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage. Most
likely causes: You are not connected to the Internet. 
The website is encountering problems. There might be a
typing error in the address.

Please let me know if anyone finds any additional
information! Thanks!

Lora

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60 Million Containers of Pet Food Recalled After Dog
and Cat Deaths

WASHINGTON   A major manufacturer of dog and cat food
sold under Wal-Mart, Safeway, Kroger and other store
brands recalled 60 million containers of wet pet food
Friday after reports of kidney failure and deaths.

An unknown number of cats and dogs suffered kidney
failure and about 10 died after eating the affected
pet food, Menu Foods said in announcing the North
American recall. Product testing has not revealed a
link explaining the reported cases of illness and
death, the company said.

At this juncture, we're not 100 percent sure what's
happened, said Paul Henderson, the company's
president and chief executive officer. However, the
recalled products were made using wheat gluten
purchased from a new supplier, since dropped for
another source, spokeswoman Sarah Tuite said. Wheat
gluten is a source of protein.

The recall covers the company's cuts and gravy style
food, which consists of chunks of meat in gravy, sold
in cans and small foil pouches between Dec. 3 and
March 6 throughout the U.S., Canada and Mexico.

The pet food was sold by stores operated by the Kroger
Company, Safeway Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) and
PetSmart Inc., among others, Henderson said.

Menu Foods did not immediately provide a full list of
brand names and lot numbers covered by the recall,
saying they would be posted on its Web site --
www.menufoods.com/recall -- early Saturday. Consumers
with questions can call (866) 463-6738.

The company said it manufacturers for 17 of the top 20
North American retailers. It is also a contract
manufacturer for the top branded pet food companies.
Its three U.S. and one Canadian factory produce more
than 1 billion containers of wet pet food a year. The
recall covers pet food made at company plants in
Emporia, Kan., and Pennsauken, N.J., Henderson said.

Henderson said the company received an undisclosed
number of owner complaints of vomiting and kidney
failure in dogs and cats after they had been fed its
products. It has tested its products but not found a
cause for the sickness.

To date, the tests have not indicated any problems
with the product, Henderson said.

The company alerted the Food and Drug Administration,
which already has inspectors in one of the two plants,
Henderson said. The FDA was working to nail down brand
names covered by the recall, agency spokesman Mike
Herndon said.

Menu Foods is majority owned by the Menu Foods Income
Fund, based in Ontario, Canada.

Henderson said the recall would cost the company the
Canadian equivalent of $26 million to $34 million.


 

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