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The statement that there would have to be an abscess for the place on the head to be causing the fever. Maybe his definition of an abscess and mine are different. Like I said, Dixie had sores that were not visibly infected (thank God my holistic vet insisted that I ask my regular vet to culture them and have slides tested for sensitivity to various drugs). Also wounds heal on the surface sometimes but are still not healing belowok another story. Cat bites finger, cat breaks finger, surgery and lots of antibiotics. The surgeon does surgery again to straighten the nail etc and finds that the wound is still very infectedIt didn't look it on the surface and (being 50 at the time) I wasn't really concerned about the nail. I about decided against the surgery. Very glad I didn't. It could have easily cost me the finger. These are just happenings but something just doesn't sound right about the bite/wound on the head. See what others on the list say. Frankly (I have very tolerant regular vets) I would check it again. He is probably right but you have had enough for a lifetime. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Isabella update Marylyn, I think there is a holistic vet in another city fairly close by. I will try to find out. Also, a vet in another city who helps with rescue kittys has some holistic training but can't call herself holistic because she hasn't stayed current.I will email her today. Please tell me what doesn't make sense...does the pred seem like the wrong thing? I didn't sleep very well last night thinking about how frightened Isabella was and how I was not able to comfort her. I know some vets comfort and talk to kittys. My vet does not do this. He has other wonderful qualities. This my third life threatening and mysterious illness this year with kittys and I feel numb with fear. I am blessed by the survival of the other two. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Some of this makes no sense to me (only in light of experiences with my own critters--not saying he is wrong). Dixie got hot spots that were raw, not abscessed, and they caused a bunch of problems. I wish you had a holistic vet close by..just to have another style practitioner take a look. I am so sorry you both are going thru this. I know how totally frustrating it is and how helpless you feel. You can give probiotics without causing harm. I don't know if they would do any good but they might with the lethargy. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Marylyn, yes he can get the doxy compounded. I am reluctant to use it because it can cause anorexia.I am so afraid of her stopping eating...I asked him to look at her blood for hemobart but he neglected to tell me if he saw something (and I forgot to ask). Isa started shivering when he took her temp and shivered in my lap for the rest of our time there. She was crying when they were giving her fluids. Broke my heart. He is trying to treat the fever and does not know why she has it. He says the low RBC is part of the leukemia and pred might stop the body from attacking red cells IF that is what is going on. She has no symptoms other than the fever and lethargy. Normal stools, normal appetite, normal urine output. No runny nose or eyes. She did have a healing wound on the top of her head when rescued. He said she'd have an abscess if this was the cause of the fever. I suspect it is the reason for the feline leukemia. One thing that strikes me is she will often cry out for no apparent reason. She rolled onto her back today and cried out. Sometimes she will cry out if you just touch her. I told the vet but he could find nothing on exam.her foster mom reports that
Re: Isabella update
The vet with rescues may have some insight as to what is going on here just from experience. Please understand that I am not saying your vet is wrong or that he is doing anything less than the best. Sometimes, people who are far from a situation pick up something those close to it don't. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:30 AM Subject: Re: Isabella update Marylyn, I think there is a holistic vet in another city fairly close by. I will try to find out. Also, a vet in another city who helps with rescue kittys has some holistic training but can't call herself holistic because she hasn't stayed current.I will email her today. Please tell me what doesn't make sense...does the pred seem like the wrong thing? I didn't sleep very well last night thinking about how frightened Isabella was and how I was not able to comfort her. I know some vets comfort and talk to kittys. My vet does not do this. He has other wonderful qualities. This my third life threatening and mysterious illness this year with kittys and I feel numb with fear. I am blessed by the survival of the other two. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Some of this makes no sense to me (only in light of experiences with my own critters--not saying he is wrong). Dixie got hot spots that were raw, not abscessed, and they caused a bunch of problems. I wish you had a holistic vet close by..just to have another style practitioner take a look. I am so sorry you both are going thru this. I know how totally frustrating it is and how helpless you feel. You can give probiotics without causing harm. I don't know if they would do any good but they might with the lethargy. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Marylyn, yes he can get the doxy compounded. I am reluctant to use it because it can cause anorexia.I am so afraid of her stopping eating...I asked him to look at her blood for hemobart but he neglected to tell me if he saw something (and I forgot to ask). Isa started shivering when he took her temp and shivered in my lap for the rest of our time there. She was crying when they were giving her fluids. Broke my heart. He is trying to treat the fever and does not know why she has it. He says the low RBC is part of the leukemia and pred might stop the body from attacking red cells IF that is what is going on. She has no symptoms other than the fever and lethargy. Normal stools, normal appetite, normal urine output. No runny nose or eyes. She did have a healing wound on the top of her head when rescued. He said she'd have an abscess if this was the cause of the fever. I suspect it is the reason for the feline leukemia. One thing that strikes me is she will often cry out for no apparent reason. She rolled onto her back today and cried out. Sometimes she will cry out if you just touch her. I told the vet but he could find nothing on exam.her foster mom reports that she stretches her rear legs alot. I suspect it could be stiffness from inactivity but who knows. When she first came, she seemed to lay down clumsily, favroing one rear leg. The vet checked out her rear legs and found nothing wrong. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Of course she is frightened. She knows what power he has. Ask Dixie. When there is something serious going on she trembles. When I am thinking about taking her to the vets' and she is fine (or is dead set again going) she spends lots of time showing me how healthy she is. Ebony did the same thing. Is there anything to culture and test or is he using/trying to use a broad spectrum antibiotic in hopes of
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Dear Laurie I identify with your fear for Isabella, I am sure all of us here do. I've been reading your posts trying to figure out just what Isabella is dealing with. Other than a fever and lethargy, she has no other symptoms? I did not know that Doxy caused a change in appetite. My (allopathic) vet put MeMe on it for 21 days to treat her URI. It did not seem to effect her appetite in any way. My homeopathic vet has her on FortiFlora the probiotic that I have written about, and that seems to have increased her appetite. I hope someone here might have some suggestions. I agree with Marylyn that if you can get her to a homeopath, you will have another viewpoint and insight into what is going on. I hope you see some improvement today. I do not know anything more stressful than trying to comfort a sick kittie. Please keep us posted and hopefully someone might have experienced something similar. We're sending angels to Isabella. Jane On Jul 4, 2007, at 9:30 AM, laurieskatz wrote: Marylyn, I think there is a holistic vet in another city fairly close by. I will try to find out. Also, a vet in another city who helps with rescue kittys has some holistic training but can't call herself holistic because she hasn't stayed current.I will email her today. Please tell me what doesn't make sense...does the pred seem like the wrong thing? I didn't sleep very well last night thinking about how frightened Isabella was and how I was not able to comfort her. I know some vets comfort and talk to kittys. My vet does not do this. He has other wonderful qualities. This my third life threatening and mysterious illness this year with kittys and I feel numb with fear. I am blessed by the survival of the other two. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Some of this makes no sense to me (only in light of experiences with my own critters--not saying he is wrong). Dixie got hot spots that were raw, not abscessed, and they caused a bunch of problems. I wish you had a holistic vet close by..just to have another style practitioner take a look. I am so sorry you both are going thru this. I know how totally frustrating it is and how helpless you feel. You can give probiotics without causing harm. I don't know if they would do any good but they might with the lethargy. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Marylyn, yes he can get the doxy compounded. I am reluctant to use it because it can cause anorexia.I am so afraid of her stopping eating...I asked him to look at her blood for hemobart but he neglected to tell me if he saw something (and I forgot to ask). Isa started shivering when he took her temp and shivered in my lap for the rest of our time there. She was crying when they were giving her fluids. Broke my heart. He is trying to treat the fever and does not know why she has it. He says the low RBC is part of the leukemia and pred might stop the body from attacking red cells IF that is what is going on. She has no symptoms other than the fever and lethargy. Normal stools, normal appetite, normal urine output. No runny nose or eyes. She did have a healing wound on the top of her head when rescued. He said she'd have an abscess if this was the cause of the fever. I suspect it is the reason for the feline leukemia. One thing that strikes me is she will often cry out for no apparent reason. She rolled onto her back today and cried out. Sometimes she will cry out if you just touch her. I told the vet but he could find nothing on exam.her foster mom reports that she stretches her rear legs alot. I suspect it could be stiffness from inactivity but who knows. When she first came, she seemed to lay down clumsily, favroing one rear leg. The vet checked out her rear legs and found nothing wrong. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Of course she is frightened. She knows what power he has. Ask Dixie. When there is something serious going on she trembles. When I am thinking about taking her to the vets' and she is fine (or is dead set again going) she spends lots of time showing me how healthy she is. Ebony did the same thing. Is there anything to culture and test or is he using/trying to use a broad spectrum
Re: Isabella update
Marylyn, I think there is a holistic vet in another city fairly close by. I will try to find out. Also, a vet in another city who helps with rescue kittys has some holistic training but can't call herself holistic because she hasn't stayed current.I will email her today. Please tell me what doesn't make sense...does the pred seem like the wrong thing? I didn't sleep very well last night thinking about how frightened Isabella was and how I was not able to comfort her. I know some vets comfort and talk to kittys. My vet does not do this. He has other wonderful qualities. This my third life threatening and mysterious illness this year with kittys and I feel numb with fear. I am blessed by the survival of the other two. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Some of this makes no sense to me (only in light of experiences with my own critters--not saying he is wrong). Dixie got hot spots that were raw, not abscessed, and they caused a bunch of problems. I wish you had a holistic vet close by..just to have another style practitioner take a look. I am so sorry you both are going thru this. I know how totally frustrating it is and how helpless you feel. You can give probiotics without causing harm. I don't know if they would do any good but they might with the lethargy. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Marylyn, yes he can get the doxy compounded. I am reluctant to use it because it can cause anorexia.I am so afraid of her stopping eating...I asked him to look at her blood for hemobart but he neglected to tell me if he saw something (and I forgot to ask). Isa started shivering when he took her temp and shivered in my lap for the rest of our time there. She was crying when they were giving her fluids. Broke my heart. He is trying to treat the fever and does not know why she has it. He says the low RBC is part of the leukemia and pred might stop the body from attacking red cells IF that is what is going on. She has no symptoms other than the fever and lethargy. Normal stools, normal appetite, normal urine output. No runny nose or eyes. She did have a healing wound on the top of her head when rescued. He said she'd have an abscess if this was the cause of the fever. I suspect it is the reason for the feline leukemia. One thing that strikes me is she will often cry out for no apparent reason. She rolled onto her back today and cried out. Sometimes she will cry out if you just touch her. I told the vet but he could find nothing on exam.her foster mom reports that she stretches her rear legs alot. I suspect it could be stiffness from inactivity but who knows. When she first came, she seemed to lay down clumsily, favroing one rear leg. The vet checked out her rear legs and found nothing wrong. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Of course she is frightened. She knows what power he has. Ask Dixie. When there is something serious going on she trembles. When I am thinking about taking her to the vets' and she is fine (or is dead set again going) she spends lots of time showing me how healthy she is. Ebony did the same thing. Is there anything to culture and test or is he using/trying to use a broad spectrum antibiotic in hopes of getting whatever is causing the fever? Just curious..is compounding the doxy an option? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: Isabella update Isabella saw the vet today. Her weight is 8.9 (it was this high one other time) and her HCT was up to 22 from 20. Her other red counts were slightly elevated as well. We cannot kick the fever. She was up
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Laurie, this just breaks my heart -- there is nothing more heart-wrenching than having someone you love cry out like that. I hope so much that these treatments will help her. You are such a good mommy -- I know she takes a lot of comfort in your care. love and hugs to you, elizabeth On 7/3/07, laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marylyn, yes he can get the doxy compounded. I am reluctant to use it because it can cause anorexia.I am so afraid of her stopping eating...I asked him to look at her blood for hemobart but he neglected to tell me if he saw something (and I forgot to ask). Isa started shivering when he took her temp and shivered in my lap for the rest of our time there. She was crying when they were giving her fluids. Broke my heart. He is trying to treat the fever and does not know why she has it. He says the low RBC is part of the leukemia and pred might stop the body from attacking red cells IF that is what is going on. She has no symptoms other than the fever and lethargy. Normal stools, normal appetite, normal urine output. No runny nose or eyes. She did have a healing wound on the top of her head when rescued. He said she'd have an abscess if this was the cause of the fever. I suspect it is the reason for the feline leukemia. One thing that strikes me is she will often cry out for no apparent reason. She rolled onto her back today and cried out. Sometimes she will cry out if you just touch her. I told the vet but he could find nothing on exam.her foster mom reports that she stretches her rear legs alot. I suspect it could be stiffness from inactivity but who knows. When she first came, she seemed to lay down clumsily, favroing one rear leg. The vet checked out her rear legs and found nothing wrong. L - Original Message - *From:* Marylyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:22 PM *Subject:* Re: Isabella update Of course she is frightened. She knows what power he has. Ask Dixie. When there is something serious going on she trembles. When I am thinking about taking her to the vets' and she is fine (or is dead set again going) she spends lots of time showing me how healthy she is. Ebony did the same thing. Is there anything to culture and test or is he using/trying to use a broad spectrum antibiotic in hopes of getting whatever is causing the fever? Just curious..is compounding the doxy an option? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - *From:* laurieskatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org *Sent:* Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:30 PM *Subject:* Isabella update Isabella saw the vet today. Her weight is 8.9 (it was this high one other time) and her HCT was up to 22 from 20. Her other red counts were slightly elevated as well. We cannot kick the fever. She was up to 104.9 from 104.2a week ago. Her 7 days on interferon ended last night. She was very quiet at the vet's and shivering the entire time. The vet said she looked worse than last week to him. We started prednisone, gave fluids and a Vitamin B shot. When we got home she ate a good serving of canned food. Vet wants to touch base on Thursday for next steps. I decided agst doxy at this time because it can cause appetite issues and I don't want to risk that. Thanks for all the suggestions which I have shared with my vet. Laurie
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Please consider trying Rescue Remedy when she is going to the vet's. And take some yourself (honest--if you are calm, she will be a little calmer too) If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Marylyn, yes he can get the doxy compounded. I am reluctant to use it because it can cause anorexia.I am so afraid of her stopping eating...I asked him to look at her blood for hemobart but he neglected to tell me if he saw something (and I forgot to ask). Isa started shivering when he took her temp and shivered in my lap for the rest of our time there. She was crying when they were giving her fluids. Broke my heart. He is trying to treat the fever and does not know why she has it. He says the low RBC is part of the leukemia and pred might stop the body from attacking red cells IF that is what is going on. She has no symptoms other than the fever and lethargy. Normal stools, normal appetite, normal urine output. No runny nose or eyes. She did have a healing wound on the top of her head when rescued. He said she'd have an abscess if this was the cause of the fever. I suspect it is the reason for the feline leukemia. One thing that strikes me is she will often cry out for no apparent reason. She rolled onto her back today and cried out. Sometimes she will cry out if you just touch her. I told the vet but he could find nothing on exam.her foster mom reports that she stretches her rear legs alot. I suspect it could be stiffness from inactivity but who knows. When she first came, she seemed to lay down clumsily, favroing one rear leg. The vet checked out her rear legs and found nothing wrong. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Of course she is frightened. She knows what power he has. Ask Dixie. When there is something serious going on she trembles. When I am thinking about taking her to the vets' and she is fine (or is dead set again going) she spends lots of time showing me how healthy she is. Ebony did the same thing. Is there anything to culture and test or is he using/trying to use a broad spectrum antibiotic in hopes of getting whatever is causing the fever? Just curious..is compounding the doxy an option? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: Isabella update Isabella saw the vet today. Her weight is 8.9 (it was this high one other time) and her HCT was up to 22 from 20. Her other red counts were slightly elevated as well. We cannot kick the fever. She was up to 104.9 from 104.2 a week ago. Her 7 days on interferon ended last night. She was very quiet at the vet's and shivering the entire time. The vet said she looked worse than last week to him. We started prednisone, gave fluids and a Vitamin B shot. When we got home she ate a good serving of canned food. Vet wants to touch base on Thursday for next steps. I decided agst doxy at this time because it can cause appetite issues and I don't want to risk that. Thanks for all the suggestions which I have shared with my vet. Laurie
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Good idea. I have some here. I just spent some time with her. She is great today. Walking around and raising her back up to be petted. Happy girl today. Have not seen this for awhile. Happy girlS (Isabella, foster mom Lisa and me) today! L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Isabella update Please consider trying Rescue Remedy when she is going to the vet's. And take some yourself (honest--if you are calm, she will be a little calmer too) If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Marylyn, yes he can get the doxy compounded. I am reluctant to use it because it can cause anorexia.I am so afraid of her stopping eating...I asked him to look at her blood for hemobart but he neglected to tell me if he saw something (and I forgot to ask). Isa started shivering when he took her temp and shivered in my lap for the rest of our time there. She was crying when they were giving her fluids. Broke my heart. He is trying to treat the fever and does not know why she has it. He says the low RBC is part of the leukemia and pred might stop the body from attacking red cells IF that is what is going on. She has no symptoms other than the fever and lethargy. Normal stools, normal appetite, normal urine output. No runny nose or eyes. She did have a healing wound on the top of her head when rescued. He said she'd have an abscess if this was the cause of the fever. I suspect it is the reason for the feline leukemia. One thing that strikes me is she will often cry out for no apparent reason. She rolled onto her back today and cried out. Sometimes she will cry out if you just touch her. I told the vet but he could find nothing on exam.her foster mom reports that she stretches her rear legs alot. I suspect it could be stiffness from inactivity but who knows. When she first came, she seemed to lay down clumsily, favroing one rear leg. The vet checked out her rear legs and found nothing wrong. L - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:22 PM Subject: Re: Isabella update Of course she is frightened. She knows what power he has. Ask Dixie. When there is something serious going on she trembles. When I am thinking about taking her to the vets' and she is fine (or is dead set again going) she spends lots of time showing me how healthy she is. Ebony did the same thing. Is there anything to culture and test or is he using/trying to use a broad spectrum antibiotic in hopes of getting whatever is causing the fever? Just curious..is compounding the doxy an option? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: laurieskatz To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 5:30 PM Subject: Isabella update Isabella saw the vet today. Her weight is 8.9 (it was this high one other time) and her HCT was up to 22 from 20. Her other red counts were slightly elevated as well. We cannot kick the fever. She was up to 104.9 from 104.2 a week ago. Her 7 days on interferon ended last night. She was very quiet at the vet's and shivering the entire time. The vet said she looked worse than last week to him. We started prednisone, gave fluids and a Vitamin B shot. When we got home she ate a good serving of canned food. Vet wants to touch base on Thursday for next steps. I decided agst doxy at this time because it can cause appetite issues and I don't want to risk that. Thanks for all the suggestions which I have shared with my vet. Laurie
OT: The Cat, A Poem
She came to me skittish, wild. The way you're meant to be, surrounded by cruelty. I did not blame her. I would do the same. A pregnant cat, a happy distraction; some sort of normal thing. Calico and innocent. The kittens in her belly said feed me. And I did. She crept with careful eye, Body held low to the dirt, Snagged a bite, And carried it just far enough away. She liked the MREs, the beef stew, the chicken breast, the barbeque pork, but she did not like canned sardines. I do not blame her. I would do the same. She came around again and again finally deciding that I was no threat, that this big man wasn't so bad. I was afraid to touch her as the docs warned us. Iraqi animals were carriers of flesh-eating disease. I donned a plastic glove and was the first to pet this wild creature who may be the one true heart and mind that America had won over. After a while I forgot the glove and enjoyed the tactile softness of short fur, flesh-eating bacteria be damned. Her belly swelled for weeks and she disappeared for some days until her kittens were safely birthed in the shallow of a rusted desk in the ruins that lined the road behind us. She came around again slim with afterbirth still matted to her hind legs. She would return, but not quite as often. She came to eat and for attention, but there was nursing to be done. One day she crept up with a kitten in her mouth. She dropped it at my foot and stared up at me; she expected something, but there was nothing I could do. The young black and white kitten was dead, its eyes not yet opened. It looked like some shriveled old wise thing, completely still, mouth puckered, small body curled and limp. She let me take the baby without a fight. She knew, but seemed unaffected. She had fetched me a gift, a lesson, among the worried nights, shot nerves from poorly aimed mortar rounds: Everything dies. The evil, the innocent, her baby and me. I thought I should say a prayer and bury this poor little thing, but I did for it what will be done for me. I laid it in the burn can amongst the ash and said I'm sorry. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.petgirlspetsitting.com www.tx.siameserescue.org www.shadowcats.net The storm can't down the castle, it can only shift the stones.
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This poem was written by Ryan Alexander, a former Marine, while he was serving in Mosul, Iraq. He recited it on N.P.R. this morning. It is from a collection of poetry in a book entitled Operation Homecoming. On Jul 4, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: She came to me skittish, wild. The way you're meant to be, surrounded by cruelty. I did not blame her. I would do the same. A pregnant cat, a happy distraction; some sort of normal thing. Calico and innocent. The kittens in her belly said feed me. And I did. She crept with careful eye, Body held low to the dirt, Snagged a bite, And carried it just far enough away. She liked the MREs, the beef stew, the chicken breast, the barbeque pork, but she did not like canned sardines. I do not blame her. I would do the same. She came around again and again finally deciding that I was no threat, that this big man wasn't so bad. I was afraid to touch her as the docs warned us. Iraqi animals were carriers of flesh-eating disease. I donned a plastic glove and was the first to pet this wild creature who may be the one true heart and mind that America had won over. After a while I forgot the glove and enjoyed the tactile softness of short fur, flesh-eating bacteria be damned. Her belly swelled for weeks and she disappeared for some days until her kittens were safely birthed in the shallow of a rusted desk in the ruins that lined the road behind us. She came around again slim with afterbirth still matted to her hind legs. She would return, but not quite as often. She came to eat and for attention, but there was nursing to be done. One day she crept up with a kitten in her mouth. She dropped it at my foot and stared up at me; she expected something, but there was nothing I could do. The young black and white kitten was dead, its eyes not yet opened. It looked like some shriveled old wise thing, completely still, mouth puckered, small body curled and limp. She let me take the baby without a fight. She knew, but seemed unaffected. She had fetched me a gift, a lesson, among the worried nights, shot nerves from poorly aimed mortar rounds: Everything dies. The evil, the innocent, her baby and me. I thought I should say a prayer and bury this poor little thing, but I did for it what will be done for me. I laid it in the burn can amongst the ash and said I'm sorry. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.petgirlspetsitting.com www.tx.siameserescue.org www.shadowcats.net The storm can't down the castle, it can only shift the stones.
Re: OT: The Cat, A Poem
Yes, that's where I heard it. you can log onto www.npr.org , go to Books and listen to him recite it. made me cry... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Jane Lyons To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:24 PM Subject: Re: OT: The Cat, A Poem This poem was written by Ryan Alexander, a former Marine, while he was serving in Mosul, Iraq. He recited it on N.P.R. this morning. It is from a collection of poetry in a book entitled Operation Homecoming. On Jul 4, 2007, at 6:04 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: She came to me skittish, wild. The way you're meant to be, surrounded by cruelty. I did not blame her. I would do the same. A pregnant cat, a happy distraction; some sort of normal thing. Calico and innocent. The kittens in her belly said feed me. And I did. She crept with careful eye, Body held low to the dirt, Snagged a bite, And carried it just far enough away. She liked the MREs, the beef stew, the chicken breast, the barbeque pork, but she did not like canned sardines. I do not blame her. I would do the same. She came around again and again finally deciding that I was no threat, that this big man wasn't so bad. I was afraid to touch her as the docs warned us. Iraqi animals were carriers of flesh-eating disease. I donned a plastic glove and was the first to pet this wild creature who may be the one true heart and mind that America had won over. After a while I forgot the glove and enjoyed the tactile softness of short fur, flesh-eating bacteria be damned. Her belly swelled for weeks and she disappeared for some days until her kittens were safely birthed in the shallow of a rusted desk in the ruins that lined the road behind us. She came around again slim with afterbirth still matted to her hind legs. She would return, but not quite as often. She came to eat and for attention, but there was nursing to be done. One day she crept up with a kitten in her mouth. She dropped it at my foot and stared up at me; she expected something, but there was nothing I could do. The young black and white kitten was dead, its eyes not yet opened. It looked like some shriveled old wise thing, completely still, mouth puckered, small body curled and limp. She let me take the baby without a fight. She knew, but seemed unaffected. She had fetched me a gift, a lesson, among the worried nights, shot nerves from poorly aimed mortar rounds: Everything dies. The evil, the innocent, her baby and me. I thought I should say a prayer and bury this poor little thing, but I did for it what will be done for me. I laid it in the burn can amongst the ash and said I'm sorry. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.petgirlspetsitting.com www.tx.siameserescue.org www.shadowcats.net The storm can't down the castle, it can only shift the stones.
a good day for Junior and me
It has been a year since Junior has been outside other than going to the vet (doesn't count). I blocked off part of the deck so we could enjoy the wonderful weather we are having, It turns hot in a couple of days. Junior seemed to enjoy it. I think a happy cat will help keep him healthy. Just a small think I can do for him. I am on vacation this week and trying to to think about work. There is another hungry looking cat hanging around my house. Probably related to Junior and Tiny. I have what I call balance of puttycats. I am actually down a cat or two, but not looking for more. If this cats decides to stay, then I guess I will have one more. Silver showed up this way, he is now a very fat happy cat. HAPPY FOURTH OF JULY everyone. -- Sally, Eric (not a cat),Junior, Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and Spike Visit my BB for some pictures post your as well. http://www.k6az.net/ki4spk/index.php?sid=c57c00cf5804ef13853ed6e77a68eed3
Re: OT Monkee
I am a horticulturist and I get to play in the dirtJunior was with me on the deck while I potted up daylilies. It has got to be good for his well being to get some fresh air. He has been an inside cat since he was hit by a car a year ago. Then he tested positive for Felv. I think the stress from the accident is why he was not able to fight off the virus. So sad, survives what should have been fatal just to get a terminal disease. He is a fighter and maybe has that life force that was mentioned earlier. Sally
Re: OT Monkee
Life is a terminal disease. We start dying the minute we take a breathe. Don't feel sorry for Junior. He is a very loved and cared for beingand he loves you too. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Sally Davis To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:18 PM Subject: Re: OT Monkee I am a horticulturist and I get to play in the dirtJunior was with me on the deck while I potted up daylilies. It has got to be good for his well being to get some fresh air. He has been an inside cat since he was hit by a car a year ago. Then he tested positive for Felv. I think the stress from the accident is why he was not able to fight off the virus. So sad, survives what should have been fatal just to get a terminal disease. He is a fighter and maybe has that life force that was mentioned earlier. Sally
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Mary Christine, Feh. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:12 PM, MaryChristine wrote: yes WE do know that there is more than one strain. and if WE didn't know before yesterday, when sally posted the most up-to-date version of the merck veterinary manual's section on FeLV, WE should know it now. and if WE really wanted to know, simply do a google search for, strains of FeLV. THIS is why this list is no longer the incredible resource it once was. incomplete, inaccurate, out-of-date information; wrong information consistently being REposted; an absolute inability to look things up in the archives or on-line so that the same discussions are continually recycled, with the same people having to put out corrected information to counter the bad. way too much chit-chat that has nothing to do with FeLV and belongs on the OT list. pleh. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Birds
Susan, you write absolutely the BEST letters! So fun! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 1:44 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: I forgot to mention, I have a cat that raised in a birdcage, like a bird. He came from another hoarding situation (pseudo rescue person), but he was only from 60 to 70+ cats. I got Runes when he was about 12 weeks old, very malnourished and he had what my vet called the worst case of ringworm that he had ever seen, in 40+ yrs. THAT'S a lot of ringworm. Anyway, Runes is still a bit skitty after all of this time, but when he is eating, you can sneak up on him and stroke his back. He will then chirp like bird... :) Think that there is a connection? Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Birds There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved. They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his little girlfriend. I need to try that with Dixie but she enjoys the sunroom and lots of wildlife there. I saw no mention of old orange juice in shallow pans (birds and butterflies). Milk weed is a wonderful plant for attracting Monarch butterflies (don't know if it grows in Texas or not but the Monarchs sure could use some help). What is a disappearing fountain? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
Re: Birds
We checked out the website and boy, are we excited now! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:30 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Have you seen the kitty show ones ? www.kittyshow.com It's bugs crawling on top of a glass table, shot form underneath w/ birds crickets in the background Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: Birds I have one of those videos; my cats LOVE it! Mine is titled Video Catnip. I'd like to get a better one because this one is in 2 sections, and the first section is music instead of the actual noised the birds make. I need a DVD format also since mine is VHS. :) Wendy --- Susan Dubose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen those DVD's, I plan to get a few once I am finished being settled in. My felv+ room, which is also the office, library, has a tv w/ couch and a bathroom. That way the felv+ cats can have their own water source. It's an old house (1953) w/ 3 HUGE bedrooms, which helps. The non felv+ cats are still waiting for their tv, which probably will be Xmas. A disappearing fountain is an old urn that he has, (pretty big) beautiful moss. On top he has placed a fish fountain that shoots the water out of it's mouth. The water then goes into the urn which is full of rocks, and dribbles down the side, disappearing into the water reserve @ the base. Which is covered by rocks also. Very pretty. The back of the house is entirely windows, from floor to ceiling, so it's quite a nice show w/ the birds butterflies are feeding. And of course, watching the squirrels try steal the food is fun too. Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 7:44 AM Subject: Re: Birds There is a wonderful tape of birds, squirrels, etc that Ebony and Mitu loved. They had a stool in front of the TV in the bedroom and frequently I got requests in the middle of the night for a private viewing. Ebony would sit on the stool just waiting, knowing I would put it on for him and his little girlfriend. I need to try that with Dixie but she enjoys the sunroom and lots of wildlife there. I saw no mention of old orange juice in shallow pans (birds and butterflies). Milk weed is a wonderful plant for attracting Monarch butterflies (don't know if it grows in Texas or not but the Monarchs sure could use some help). What is a disappearing fountain? If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis . Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ __ __ Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: Ki is an Angel
What a great guy! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: And thank you. When I lost Serenity, I felt like the floor opened me up and swallowed me. Like I said, I had only had her 5 months, and my vet and his wife (who have several felv+ cats, and Dr. Smith is constantly doing research, even @ 73 yrs.) warned me that when she becomes symptomatic, she could go very fast, it just depends. I was s glad they were there for me. Felv+, I have been told, can kill a cat so many different ways... Or, their body can go, but the mind is sharp as a tack. I have a good client that has only had felv+ cats, his limit is 3. The reason being, 4 is an unlucky number for him, if he has 3 and gets a 4th, one dies really soon afterwards. He is an international pilot for UPS, and has been for 25+ yrs. (cha ching$) He is down to one felv+ cat, and he has sworn off. Ever seen a very big, macho Texas man cry like a baby while holding his cat @ the vet's? Not pretty. The good thing is, he only has been working 10 days per month (10 days on, 20 days off), and when Chairman Meow leaves him, he plans to work more and donate a lot more money. In otherwords, he has been just working his minimum to be w/ his cats, but once they are all gone, he will fly more and of course, have more money. Right now he is a very big donor, always there for my project kitties. When he retires in a few years, he really hopes to start a sanctuary, and he will have a lot of people to help him. I don't know, I have always said that, it takes a very special purrson to have a felv+ cat, unconditional love, also.. LOTS of people are even afraid of them. I recently had 2 people over on separate occasions that would not even enter my felv+ room, they just looked through the door. They were really afraid of taking it home to their cats. I understand that it is a very delicate virus I just call them my little bubble kitties. :)... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: dede hicken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: Re: Ki is an Angel Thanks Susan. I know you are right. One can only take so much exposure to Corona when your immune system is not so great. I just don't get why some get it and some don't. I suppose if I could answer that, I'd get the Pulitzer. I will always wonder, though, if I had isolated him with a smaller number of catsOh well, I will never know. And here i was worried that he'd infect someone. They are so fragile. Sorry about your little one, too. Ki came to me in July, too. He was only 12 wks old. It just takes time, I guess. Dede
Fw: multiple transfusion and steroid
Hi, when giving multiple transfusions to a cat, is it common to give steroid ( Injection of dex) and benedryl (sp) prior to transfusion to minize any reaction?
Re: Birds, also, feliway....
Seems to work for us! Get it at RevivalAnimal.com to get the cheapest. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 6:56 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Well, he has actually gotten much better, it kinda comes goes.. Isn't it funny how the house ferals will run from you when you walk towards them, but you can sneak into your bedroom and they are asleep on your pillow, or rolling around on your dirty clothes that you tossed on the floor? (Yes, folks, I am a slob)... It's like they REALLY want to be petted loved, but it's s scary. :( As for Feliway, I have had heard lots about it, and I know folks who use it, but they cannot actually tell me if it works or not. What do you think? Does it work for you? I have considered it, but it's pretty pricey and I always think heck, that's a cat spay or whatever. But if I knew it would work, I certainly would pony up the money Let me know your thoughts, folks... Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:43 PM Subject: Re: Birds No (that is too dear to take away) but it should help with the skittishness. It makes you smell like a cat (or so the theory goes). It really helped with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt (rehomed from my Mom's). It certainly helped establish a safe area with her.not the awful smell of the terrible person who catnapped her from her chosen person. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Susan Dubose
Re: Immunity to FeLV?
Oh--and nicknames, too! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 6:59 PM, Susan Dubose wrote: Yes, I feel like I have a science project going on, w/ these 12 cats, which originally were 14. LOVE the name of your kitty. Kitties shouls always have fancy names, formal names of course the your in trouble name.. ;) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Gloria Lane To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 5:45 PM Subject: Re: Immunity to FeLV? Well, it's all very confusing anyhow, especially if you have other things going on (like I'm losing stuff right and left today). I think the info we get here about people's personal experiences is so valuable. I've just learned not to get too paranoid about FELV, to take good care of my cats as best I can, and when I need the info I ask you guys or look it up and hope I get the right thing. I have three 10-11 yr old FELV cats, and one 4 yr old. Gotta have them re-tested, they're just so dern healthy. And I know that's fortunate - Monday is the 3 year anniversary of sweet Callawalla Banana Boo-boo going to the spirit in the sky. I was up with her all night, and at 3am took her to the emergency clinic, which was $300 and worthless, and she died in my arms as I carried her back into the house. Gloria
Re: Isabella's blood work and other Qs
I've seen no difference in Sammy when he has been on Interferon. Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jun 30, 2007, at 9:25 PM, laurieskatz wrote: Hi ~ I am resending this in hopes for some feed back. (I will read the info about meds as suggested). I know of a human on interferon who is very lethargic. Do people see this with cats on interferon? I ask because Isabella is most active after we give fluids but generally pretty laid backwould appreciate any input ...thanks! Laurie Hello and many thanks to all who responded (what a knowledgable and supportive group). Q: Is the immunoregulin something I would use **instead** of interferon? For those who responded about Revolution ~ we won't use this again. One of my cats with allergies responded very negatively to Advantage. So, I just have to hope we keep fleas at bay. We are 100% indoors but I work in my wildlife friendly yard and understand I could bring one inside. What is IM, please? Isabella's counts were as follows: (numbers in parens are normal ranges) WBC 3.65 (5.5-19.5) HCT 20.6 (30-45) RBC 3.72 (5-10) HGB 8.1 (9-15.1) GLOB (globulin?) 6.2 (2.8-5.1) Total protein 9.1 (5.7-8.9) Her Neut(?), Eosiniphils and PLT were all below normal MCHC and MCH were above normal The numbers that were desginated as being most dramatically off were: Glob, Neut,HCT, RBC. MCHC and MCH Any input greatly appreciatedthanks! Laurie - Original Message - From: cindy reasoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: new here ~ feleuk+ cat with high temp Laurie, My cat Smokey had the same problem with fevers. After many different stays in the hospital and 1 doctor at my vet's office that didn't really seem like she wanted to help Smokey I changed the vet he goes to. The new vet started him on the immunoregulin. She had me give it to him subq. It says IV but Smokey would have never let her or me do that. We started giving him injections 2 times a week for a month or so then gradually decreased the dosage. Now I give it to him once a month. It has been well over a year since he has had a fever. I hope this might help you with Isabella. I won't use Revolution anymore. Back in May we went camping and I took my diabetic cat (Katie) with us. I used it because I was worried about mosquitoes getting into the camper. This was the first time I had ever used it. I know Katie had a reaction to it because she developed diarrhea. She didn't have it before I put it on her. Her skin became really flaky too. I hope your Isabella starts feeling better soon. Cindy Reasoner
Re: Some of us are so new to this all.
I'm with you, Malone. Reposting for a newbie doesn't faze me at all. Taylor Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:09 AM, Malone wrote: There are some here that are new to this virus. We don’t know much. That is specifically why I came to this site to learn. I am so sorry that distress was caused over reposting of material. I can say I for one have been reading and researching everything I can get my hands on. I am very saddened that some find it intolerable to understand the stress that newbies might be under. I have never had a sick cat—I have been very blessed. But I feel doubly blessed to have people who are willing to share information with me even if it is the hundredth time they have posted it. I know only basics about this virus and understand less. I need help and information and I thank all that have shared.
Re: Birds, also, feliway....
Dear Susan: What color is your little Hobbs? He'll probably come around with all the love in your house! He sounds like a really tough little guy! Consciousness is Causal and Physicality is its Manifestation. On Jul 1, 2007, at 1:30 AM, Susan Dubose wrote: In my old house (2 months back) I only had covered litterboxes w/ clumpable litter. In the new place, I have 4 of the HUGE blue tote types from Lowes, that are transparent, w/ Yesterday's mews. 3 of the HUGE clear ones w/ clay mixed w/ crystals, and one low rider that is pretty big w/ the same mix. This is in the enclosure area. In their room, I have 3 covered boxes w/ clumpable and one in the their bathroom w/ clay plus crystals. I did this so they would have a few choices. Litterbox behavior has gotten much better, but there are few, like Pugsley, that enjoy peeing on things and 2 that poop right in front of the boxes in the cat room. One is my 15 year old, who use to ALWAYS have very good litterbox habits. I have the lower litterbox in the enclosure for a fairly recently acquired cat that has no back legs, which, at this point, I never see. He's a hider, was in his former house. He was abandoned @ the area Humane Society as a tiny kitten, and went home for fostering w/ one of the staff. He caught URI, had to be medicated, and apparently that made him fearful and he wasn't the same friendly, sweet kitten that he was originally. He pretty much lived under her bed, pooping under there too. She would see him occasionally but only @ night. She has very long work hours, and is also in a band that tours, so, not much time to try and change his behavior. I took his as a favor to her probably to him, as well. At least at my house he can have more room and have exposure to the outside in the enclosure. (I really think that the access to fgresh air has really helped my cats all around health, especially the chronic ones). I didn't care about the litterbox thing, whether he used it or not, my enclosure is stained concrete w/ a high gloss finish, the cat room bathroom is tile and hardwood in the masterbedroom. These are the cat areas. Livingroom is no cat zone as well as kitchen. (I had a stove peer @ the old house, and they actually set my kitchen on fire twice. Another long story). Anyway, Hobbs was born w/ only stubbs for backlegs, very sad. But he can REALLY haul kitty butt when he wants to. He also loves other cats, he is a cat's cat, if you know what I mean. As far as litterboxes, I would prefer no clumpable, I think it's a bad idea, but the cats seem to really prefer it over anything else They will have to be weaned, I guess. I will try this Feliway, maybe it will be the answer to my cleaning prayers.. Hey, a girl ( a kitty girl ) can dream. :) Susan J. DuBose ^..^ www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws. Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Birds, also, feliway Re litter box issues: Make sure you are using unscented litter without the blue pellets. My cats, Dixie and those who have left, will not tolerate the perfumed kind. This is logical if you are a very few inches from the litter, kicking it etc. The blue things contain germicides that, as one company says, causes no trouble most of the timeI don't deal with most of the time. Try using Rubbermaid or knock offs boxes without lids. They give more room (important for ferals particularly--they are vulnerable when and don't like to feel closed in/trapped) and have high enough backs that a cat who has trouble (for any reason including I just don't want to) can urinate without getting it all over the place (I learned this when Ebony was getting older and had a physical problem that made getting down difficult). Yes, the Feliway may help. It was designed for pee-problems. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis
