Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: Some positive, some negative?
I don't know what to think on the negative Mom, but we had a double+ Mom who's 5-6 week old kittens tested differently, 2 FIV+ only, 1 FIV+ FELV+, 1 FIV+ weak FELV+. All went on to retest + multiple times for FELV, including the ones who were only FIV+ at first--and they were separated from Mom at that point of first testing. The double+ Mom has now, after a year, outlived all of her kittens. As to why your Mom is neg...I heard before that it can also be carried to the kittens from the father, but this was a loose conversation with a rescue person, don't know if it's true...maybe Mom was exposed but threw the virus, still passing to the kittens, or maybe all were exposed to an FELV+ cat and the Mom didn't contract it but the kittens did? Wishing you luck with the retests prayers to these babies- Heather On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Carmen Conklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: We work with a large number of special needs animals and yes, we have had experience with a negative mother (several tests) who had five kittens and 3 were negative and two were positive. So we have to test all kittens and mom from any litters we might see even if mom is negative. I've seen this at least two times. So it does happen. possibly you are right Laurie about the different dads. HAS to be, doesn't it? The others did NOT get the FeLV being with them either. Carmen From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:31:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: Some positive, some negative? Different dads?? I have NO ideahave never heard of this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: Some positive, some negative? Meant for the group. I don't know what to tell you. The litter of 4 I rescued all tested positive. I have no experience where on half the litter tests positive and half negative. Sharyl --- On Sun, 9/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some positive, some negative? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 2:05 PM Hello. I'm wondering if anyone has any idea how the following could have happened, and what they'd recommend: I work at an animal shelter and a few weeks ago, a woman dropped off a mama cat with four nursing kittens. The kittens looked to be about 3 weeks old. I brought the cat and kittens home and have been caring for them in a large dog crate. They're all active and healthy looking. Last week I brought them to the Vet for their FIV/FeLV combo test. I was shocked when two of the kittens tested positive for FeLV. They used the snap test, but also sent blood to the lab on the mama cat. Her result came back negative. I've heard that the virus can be transient and can be fought off in rare instances, but this is so odd. Has anyone else ever heard of this hap pening. I know I need to have everyone re-tested in a few weeks. In the meantime, I do have them all together. My thought was that if the Mom and the two negative kittens haven't caught it from the two positive kittens by now, they won't catch it. But maybe I should separate them. I don't know. I commented to someone I work with that at least we won't have a problem adopting out the mother cat and the two negative kittens, but she said that since they've been exposed to the virus, they can transmit it to other cats. Two veterinarians I spoke to have no clue. P.S. I=2 0know the kittens didn't catch the virus from my FeLV+ kitty as she was living in the upstairs and they are in the basement and I changed clothing and scrubbed up and there were hours between the time I'd handle her and then them. Thank you. Adrienne ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Some positive, some negative?
Thanks to Heather and everyone else who responded. I had always thought that while FIV is really, really difficult to catch, and that most kittens born to FIV+ Moms end up being FIV-, FeLV was very easy to catch. I could never figure out how all of my cats who lived with my FeLV+ cat didn't contract it, but you can bet I thanked my lucky stars for this. Still, every veterinarian I spoke to didn't understand it, so it seems as though many in the veterinary community don't understand a whole lot about FeLV. One even told me that my others probably never got FeLV because my cat who was positive was not biting them. Ugh! Big difference between FIV and FeLV. It's interesting to me that in the case of the Mama and the four babies, if there were two different dads and one of them was FeLV+, he gave this to the kittens, but the Mama didn't get it and the two half sisters didn't get it. I'd think that all of the nursing and grooming and assisting with elimination would have caused the Mom to be infected. Interesting. Maybe it's similar to FIP in that there's some genetic component to who gets the disease and who doesn't? Again, thank you. This is all very tough to deal with, especially after having lost my Emma two weeks ago. My prayers are with all of you and your kitties. Sincerely, Adrienne -Original Message- From: Heather [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 9:02 am Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: Some positive, some negative? I don't know what to think on the negative Mom, but we had a double+ Mom who's 5-6 week old kittens tested differently, 2 FIV+ only, 1 FIV+ FELV+, 1 FIV+ weak FELV+. All went on to retest + multiple times for FELV, including the ones who were only FIV+ at first--and they were separated from Mom at that point of first testing. The double+ Mom has now, after a year, outlived all of her kittens. As to why your Mom is neg...I heard before that it can also be carried to the kittens from the father, but this was a loose conversation with a rescue person, don't know if it's true...maybe Mom was exposed but threw the virus, still passing to the kittens, or maybe all were exposed to an FELV+ cat and the Mom didn't contract it but the kittens did? Wishing you luck with the retests prayers to these babies- Heather On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 5:49 PM, Carmen Conklin [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: We work with a large number of special needs animals and yes, we have had experience with a negative mother (several tests) who had five kittens and 3 were negative and two were positive. So we have to test all kittens and mom from any litters we might see even if mom is negative. I've seen this at least two times. So it does happen. possibly you are right Laurie about the different dads. HAS to be, doesn't it? The others did NOT get the FeLV being with them either. Carmen From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 15:31:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: Some positive, some negative? Different dads?? I have NO ideahave never heard of this. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: Re: Some positive, some negative? Meant for the group. I don't know what to tell you. The litter of 4 I rescued all tested positive. I have no experience where on half the litter tests positive and half negative. Sharyl --- On Sun, 9/7/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Some positive, some negative? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 2:05 PM Hello. I'm wondering if anyone has any idea how the following could have happened, and what they'd recommend: I work at an animal shelter and a few weeks ago, a woman dropped off a mama cat with four nursing kittens. The kittens looked to be about 3 weeks old. I brought the cat and kittens home and have been caring for them in a large dog crate. They're all active and healthy looking. Last week I brought them to the Vet for their FIV/FeLV combo test. I was shocked when two of the kittens tested positive for FeLV. They used the snap test, but also sent blood to the lab on the mama cat. Her result came back negative. I've heard that the virus can be transient and can be fought off in rare instances, but this is so odd. Has anyone else ever heard of this hap pening. I know I need to have everyone re-tested in a few weeks. In the meantime, I do have them all together. My thought was that if the Mom and the two negative kittens haven't caught it from the two positive kittens by now, they won't catch it. But maybe I should separate them. I don't know. I commented to someone I work with that at least we won't have a problem adopting out the mother cat and the
[Felvtalk] Prayers to all of you
This forum is such an amazing source of support. I take comfort in knowing that there are so many people out there who love their cats dearly.I work at a wonderful animal shelter where the calls come in each day from people who have every excuse imaginable about why they need to give up their cats and dogs. Many people will provide the excuse that they are moving or that they have become suddenly allergic to the cat they've had for more than a decade. But there are people who are honest enough to say they're tired of the shedding, or sick of the hairballs, or the cat has been eliminating outside of the box, or the kids have lost interest, or the cat is in kidney failure or is diabetic.. It's enough to make an animal lover give up on people. But the people who share on this list serve as a reminder that there are wonderful people out there. That knowledge makes it so much easier to get through each day. Thank you to every one of you. Adrienne -Original Message- From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 7:40 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can you please pray for Michelle's Patches Prayers coming for Michelle's Patches! Gloria At 05:37 PM 9/7/2008, you wrote: Hi again all, Strangely I was just wondering this a.m. how Michelle's Patches was doing, and thinking I must email her, and then when I came into work, there was the email from her (below). (For those who don't know Michelle, she was a tireless, dedicated source of knowledge and support on the list for many years). Thanks for your prayers for Patches. Kerry M. Hi, Kerry. Can I bother you to ask the list for prayers again? Patches had been doing a lot better for a couple of weeks-- her hematocrit was going up (and maybe still is-- she looks quite pink), she gained weight, she was getting more active and had started eating some on her own again. But the last few days she has looked worse than when we brought her to the hospital with the pancreatitis. She had the strongest chemo drug 8 days ago, so we thought it was that, but she does not seem to be improving. She lays in one spot all day and only gets up to use the litterbox, and looks weak when she does. She seems nauseous too. She has gained a lot of weight and we think the vets were telling us to feed her too much through her tube, and we are wondering if her pancreatitis has been aggravated by this. Or, of course, the cancer could be back. We are planning on taking her to the hospital tomorrow afternoon when her internist is in, to see if they can ultrasound her and if she! needs IV fluids. Prayers always seem to help, though, so I thought I would ask. thanks as always, and I hope you and yours are ok, Michelle _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Can you please pray for Michelle's Patches
Here are wishes and vibes that Patches rallies once again, and hugs to her and to Michelle. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Can you please pray for Michelle's Patches Hi again all, Strangely I was just wondering this a.m. how Michelle's Patches was doing, and thinking I must email her, and then when I came into work, there was the email from her (below). (For those who don't know Michelle, she was a tireless, dedicated source of knowledge and support on the list for many years). Thanks for your prayers for Patches. Kerry M. Hi, Kerry. Can I bother you to ask the list for prayers again? Patches had been doing a lot better for a couple of weeks-- her hematocrit was going up (and maybe still is-- she looks quite pink), she gained weight, she was getting more active and had started eating some on her own again. But the last few days she has looked worse than when we brought her to the hospital with the pancreatitis. She had the strongest chemo drug 8 days ago, so we thought it was that, but she does not seem to be improving. She lays in one spot all day and only gets up to use the litterbox, and looks weak when she does. She seems nauseous too. She has gained a lot of weight and we think the vets were telling us to feed her too much through her tube, and we are wondering if her pancreatitis has been aggravated by this. Or, of course, the cancer could be back. We are planning on taking her to the hospital tomorrow afternoon when her internist is in, to see if they can ultrasound her and if she! needs IV fluids. Prayers always seem to help, though, so I thought I would ask. thanks as always, and I hope you and yours are ok, Michelle _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Can you please pray for Michelle's Patches
Prayers and positive energy coming across the miles! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rosenfeldt, Diane Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 9:46 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can you please pray for Michelle's Patches Here are wishes and vibes that Patches rallies once again, and hugs to her and to Michelle. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MacKenzie, Kerry N. Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:38 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Can you please pray for Michelle's Patches Hi again all, Strangely I was just wondering this a.m. how Michelle's Patches was doing, and thinking I must email her, and then when I came into work, there was the email from her (below). (For those who don't know Michelle, she was a tireless, dedicated source of knowledge and support on the list for many years). Thanks for your prayers for Patches. Kerry M. Hi, Kerry. Can I bother you to ask the list for prayers again? Patches had been doing a lot better for a couple of weeks-- her hematocrit was going up (and maybe still is-- she looks quite pink), she gained weight, she was getting more active and had started eating some on her own again. But the last few days she has looked worse than when we brought her to the hospital with the pancreatitis. She had the strongest chemo drug 8 days ago, so we thought it was that, but she does not seem to be improving. She lays in one spot all day and only gets up to use the litterbox, and looks weak when she does. She seems nauseous too. She has gained a lot of weight and we think the vets were telling us to feed her too much through her tube, and we are wondering if her pancreatitis has been aggravated by this. Or, of course, the cancer could be back. We are planning on taking her to the hospital tomorrow afternoon when her internist is in, to see if they can ultrasound her and if she! needs IV fluids. Prayers always seem to help, though, so I thought I would ask. thanks as always, and I hope you and yours are ok, Michelle _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org This electronic mail transmission and any attachments are confidential and may be privileged. They should be read or retained only by the intended recipient. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the transmission from your system. In addition, in order to comply with Treasury Circular 230, we are required to inform you that unless we have specifically stated to the contrary in writing, any advice we provide in this email or any attachment concerning federal tax issues or submissions is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, to avoid federal tax penalties. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers to all of you
And a great BIG thank you to you too Adrienne!! Sherry --- On Mon, 9/8/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Felvtalk] Prayers to all of you To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 10:12 AM This forum is such an amazing source of support. I take comfort in knowing that there are so many people out there who love their cats dearly.I work at a wonderful animal shelter where the calls come in each day from people who have every excuse imaginable about why they need to give up their cats and dogs. Many people will provide the excuse that they are moving or that they have become suddenly allergic to the cat they've had for more than a decade. But there are people who are honest enough to say they're tired of the shedding, or sick of the hairballs, or the cat has been eliminating outside of the box, or the kids have lost interest, or the cat is in kidney failure or is diabetic.. It's enough to make an animal lover give up on people. But the people who share on this list serve as a reminder that there are wonderful people out there. That knowledge makes it so much easier to get through each day. Thank you to every one of you. Adrienne -Original Message- From: Gloria B. Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 7:40 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Can you please pray for Michelle's Patches Prayers coming for Michelle's Patches! Gloria At 05:37 PM 9/7/2008, you wrote: Hi again all, Strangely I was just wondering this a.m. how Michelle's Patches was doing, and thinking I must email her, and then when I came into work, there was the email from her (below). (For those who don't know Michelle, she was a tireless, dedicated source of knowledge and support on the list for many years). Thanks for your prayers for Patches. Kerry M. Hi, Kerry. Can I bother you to ask the list for prayers again? Patches had been doing a lot better for a couple of weeks-- her hematocrit was going up (and maybe still is-- she looks quite pink), she gained weight, she was getting more active and had started eating some on her own again. But the last few days she has looked worse than when we brought her to the hospital with the pancreatitis. She had the strongest chemo drug 8 days ago, so we thought it was that, but she does not seem to be improving. She lays in one spot all day and only gets up to use the litterbox, and looks weak when she does. She seems nauseous too. She has gained a lot of weight and we think the vets were telling us to feed her too much through her tube, and we are wondering if her pancreatitis has been aggravated by this. Or, of course, the cancer could be back. We are planning on taking her to the hospital tomorrow afternoon when her internist is in, to see if they can ultrasound her and if she! needs IV fluids. Prayers always seem to help, though, so I thought I would ask. thanks as always, and I hope you and yours are ok, Michelle _ IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any tax advice expressed above by Mayer Brown LLP was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any taxpayer to avoid U.S. federal tax penalties. If such advice was written or used to support the promotion or marketing of the matter addressed above, then each offeree should seek advice from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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