Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
Amy, Epogen is very effective for treating non-regenerative anemia. Treatment is not started until the HCT or PCV is below 20 and usually in the mid-teens. The Anemia group I gave you the link for has more info on treatment protocol. Sharyl --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Iva Lark Emily Seaberg wrote: > From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 1:32 AM > A few years ago I had a kitty with > Chronic Renal Failure. Towards the end he was extremely > anemic and we did the Epogen. I'm so glad we did it because > it did buy us some time. I decided to try the Epogen when it > became clear he was not making new blood cells, his anemia > became extreme and we knew that without help he would die > from it, a slow, lethargic and very sad death. I wanted to > give him a chance and the Epogen did. My vet talked to UC > Davis about his unique situation (he also had high blood > pressure and a heart problem) and we gave him a really > really low dose. I believe typically they give it 3-4 times > a week and we gave it once a week. It was such a low dose > the vet thought it might not work, but it did and actually > better than we anticipated. > > So, I can't speak for the FeLV stuff, but I can say the > Epogen wasn't as evil as I was expecting to be from what I > had heard word of mouth. We used it very cautiously, and it > seemed to make a big difference. You just really have to > watch it, start off slow. It is easier to add treatments > then try and slow it down and you don't want their values > increasing too fast. > > Good luck, > > Iva > > - Original Message - > > > Message: 7 > > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:38:44 -0700 (PDT) > > From: Amy > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update > > > > > So I've been posting about my cat Wolfie who has been > losing weight since about mid 2006, from 15.4 lbs down to > 10.8 lbs today. His last visit was on July 2nd and he > had a HCT of 29. He also tested positive for > Mycoplasma haemominutum previously called Haemobartonella > felis small form. He's been on doxy, pred, and > Pet-Tinic twice daily for almost a month. > > > > My vet thought he looked great today and he hasn't > lost any weight since his last visit but he's not gaining > and his HCT is still going down. We took a tiny amount > of blood and sent it out for a reticulocyte count. I've lost > almost all my leuk positives to anemia in the end (except > for one to lymphoma and one to neurological issues) and I'm > really bummed out by the news. I was hoping treating > the Hemobart would help the HCT even though my vet wasn't as > optimistic. > > > > I'm just wondering how most people here lose their > leuk positives. It seems all of mine do so well, are > completely asymptomatic and then out of nowhere they stop > making red blood cells, the HCT starts to drop, and it is > downhill from there. My vet wrote me a 10 page letter > on everything that could cause weight loss and anemia and we > have eliminated almost all the possibilities I think. > We haven't done a digestive panel yet because it takes 4 mls > of blood and I don't want to do that with his HCT dropping. > If the reticulocyte test comes back and shows he is making > red blood cells, we will start investigating digestive > issues or anything else that could be causing his lower > HCT. If it comes back as nonregenerative anemia, is > there anything I can do? I know there is the option of > Epogen and I'm looking into that. Anything else or do > I just spend time with him and wait? I hate this point > where they are feeling fine, looking fine, and I know it's > only > > a matter of time :( This guy has been with me > longer than any of my other positives and I'd do anything to > help him but I'm afraid there's nothing else I can do. > Thoughts? > > > > Amy > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
> If nothing else is working, by > the way I have heard doxy can take as long as 6 weeks to > show results, but if his HCT is still going down don't know > that I would be thinking that. But as I was saying if > nothing else is working and you are faced with death, my > personally I would try the epogen, if the alternative is > death you have nothing to lose. > > Sending lots of prayers for Wolfie and you. > > What is his HCT now?? It was 27 when we went this week and he's still acting fine. He's nowhere near where I'd start it yet. Just wanted to know if there's anything I can do before he gets to the low 20's/teens or if I just wait. Thanks Amy > > -- > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > http://bemikitties.com > > http://BelindaSauro.com > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Vitamin C
Hello everyone, Does anyone have a good source for powdered vitamin C for cats. The shelter I volunteer for is looking to add vitamin C with the lysine and we are looking for a source that is tried and true. Thank you, Sue (katlover1300) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamin C
Well, you might check out Dr. Belfield's vitamin C - http://www.belfield.com/ Gloria On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote: Hello everyone, Does anyone have a good source for powdered vitamin C for cats. The shelter I volunteer for is looking to add vitamin C with the lysine and we are looking for a source that is tried and true. Thank you, Sue (katlover1300) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamin C
I have Sammie on MEGA C PLUS from Belfield website. I have been sprinkling this and AC-11 onto his food two times a day. I have been doing this since May so I don't know if it is working or not. Sammie is very healthy (as of today) but I'm trying to keep his immune system healthy. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:23 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamin C Well, you might check out Dr. Belfield's vitamin C - http://www.belfield.com/ Gloria On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Sue & Frank Koren wrote: > Hello everyone, > Does anyone have a good source for powdered vitamin C for cats. The > shelter I volunteer for is looking to add vitamin C with the lysine > and we are looking for a source that is tried and true. > Thank you, > Sue > (katlover1300) > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
I would keep doing what you're doing, 27% isn't horrible. Be sure and keep up the pet tinic, is he getting folic acid too it isn't in pet tinic and is needed for building new blood. I wouldn't panic yet, just keep a close eye on him and think positive. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vitamin C
I have used http://iherb.com for a long time and have been very happy with their prices and customer service. http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=vitamin%20c http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=lysine -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
Thanks, joined both of these. Amy --- On Wed, 8/5/09, Sharyl wrote: > From: Sharyl > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 9:21 AM > > Amy. I haven't had any success once they start to > fail. Maybe others can help. There are two yahoo > groups that may help with the symptoms. > > There is a assist feeding group that can offer support > regarding the wt. loss. > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/ > > There is an anemia group that has info in their files on > Epogen for non-regenerative anemia > http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Anemia/ > > Hugs to Wolfie > Sharyl > > --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Amy > wrote: > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
He isn't getting a folic acid supplement but he does get some in his EVO cat food. I'm almost done with the bottle of Pet-Tinic and then I'm going to try Nutrived. Amy > I would keep doing > what you're doing, 27% isn't horrible. Be sure and > keep up the pet tinic, is he getting folic acid too it isn't > in pet tinic and is needed for building new blood. > > I wouldn't panic yet, just keep a close eye on him and > think positive. > > -- > Belinda > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > http://bemikitties.com > > http://BelindaSauro.com > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
Thanks for the info. I've joined the anemia group and am reading up on it. Has anybody on this list tried the Epogen for a leuk pos cat that is anemic? I read a lot about Epogen being very effective for anemia and I read about people using it for CRF. Just wondering what sort of experiences people have had using it for non-regenerative anemia not due to CRF. Thanks Amy --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Sharyl wrote: > From: Sharyl > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 6:48 AM > > Amy, > Epogen is very effective for treating non-regenerative > anemia. Treatment is not started until the HCT or PCV > is below 20 and usually in the mid-teens. The Anemia group I > gave you the link for has more info on treatment protocol. > Sharyl > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Iva Lark Emily Seaberg > wrote: > > > From: Iva Lark Emily Seaberg > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 1:32 AM > > A few years ago I had a kitty with > > Chronic Renal Failure. Towards the end he was > extremely > > anemic and we did the Epogen. I'm so glad we did it > because > > it did buy us some time. I decided to try the Epogen > when it > > became clear he was not making new blood cells, his > anemia > > became extreme and we knew that without help he would > die > > from it, a slow, lethargic and very sad death. I > wanted to > > give him a chance and the Epogen did. My vet talked to > UC > > Davis about his unique situation (he also had high > blood > > pressure and a heart problem) and we gave him a > really > > really low dose. I believe typically they give it 3-4 > times > > a week and we gave it once a week. It was such a low > dose > > the vet thought it might not work, but it did and > actually > > better than we anticipated. > > > > So, I can't speak for the FeLV stuff, but I can say > the > > Epogen wasn't as evil as I was expecting to be from > what I > > had heard word of mouth. We used it very cautiously, > and it > > seemed to make a big difference. You just really have > to > > watch it, start off slow. It is easier to add > treatments > > then try and slow it down and you don't want their > values > > increasing too fast. > > > > Good luck, > > > > Iva > > > > - Original Message - > > > > Message: 7 > > > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:38:44 -0700 (PDT) > > > From: Amy > > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update > > > > > > > > So I've been posting about my cat Wolfie who has > been > > losing weight since about mid 2006, from 15.4 lbs down > to > > 10.8 lbs today. His last visit was on July 2nd and > he > > had a HCT of 29. He also tested positive for > > Mycoplasma haemominutum previously called > Haemobartonella > > felis small form. He's been on doxy, pred, and > > Pet-Tinic twice daily for almost a month. > > > > > > My vet thought he looked great today and he > hasn't > > lost any weight since his last visit but he's not > gaining > > and his HCT is still going down. We took a tiny > amount > > of blood and sent it out for a reticulocyte count. > I've lost > > almost all my leuk positives to anemia in the end > (except > > for one to lymphoma and one to neurological issues) > and I'm > > really bummed out by the news. I was hoping > treating > > the Hemobart would help the HCT even though my vet > wasn't as > > optimistic. > > > > > > I'm just wondering how most people here lose > their > > leuk positives. It seems all of mine do so well, > are > > completely asymptomatic and then out of nowhere they > stop > > making red blood cells, the HCT starts to drop, and it > is > > downhill from there. My vet wrote me a 10 page > letter > > on everything that could cause weight loss and anemia > and we > > have eliminated almost all the possibilities I > think. > > We haven't done a digestive panel yet because it takes > 4 mls > > of blood and I don't want to do that with his HCT > dropping. > > If the reticulocyte test comes back and shows he is > making > > red blood cells, we will start investigating > digestive > > issues or anything else that could be causing his > lower > > HCT. If it comes back as nonregenerative anemia, is > > there anything I can do? I know there is the option > of > > Epogen and I'm looking into that. Anything else or > do > > I just spend time with him and wait? I hate this > point > > where they are feeling fine, looking fine, and I know > it's > > only > > > a matter of time :( This guy has been with me > > longer than any of my other positives and I'd do > anything to > > help him but I'm afraid there's nothing else I can > do. > > Thoughts? > > > > > > Amy > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
Great, I think as long as he seems to feel fine and his HCT doesn't start dropping I would be too concerned yet. All kitties are individuals and maybe that is a decent HCT for him, wouldn't want it to get much lower though. Fred's (CRF) HCT has been between 24% and 29% for the last 3 years or more. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
Bailey was on epogen for almost 6 months when he became anemic, it brought his HCT from a low of 15% back up to 40% within 6 weeks or so. When he passed he was still on a maintanence dose of epogen once a week and his HCT was holding at 33%. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie Update
PS. His anemia was related to his positive status. My vet thinks the virus activated in his bone marrow and that is what brought on the anemia, he developed pancreatic cancer in the 6 months we were trying to figure out what was going on. It was obvious something was still wrong because even after we got his HCT normalized he was very lethargic and wouldn't eat. My gut feeling was pancreatitis but my vet didn't think so because his blood work was normal, I wish I had followed my instincts and had the test for pancreatitis done, he may not have developed cancer if we had treated him for that. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] My New Kitty
Brought my new kitty home from the pound on Sat and found out this morning she is Feline pos. WE were given the choice to return her or have her put to sleep..orbring her home.. WE decided to bring her home...Although we may only have her for a short time...She will be loved and cared for with no regrets She is a beautiful Siamese..and about 2 yrs old...and gas all ready brought much joy to our lives... Cherokee "A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS." ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My New Kitty
You made a great choice, FeLV+ make some of the most loving kitties I have ever had the privilege of being owned by. My Bailey was a real smoocher. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My New Kitty
You may have her a lot longer than you think. Dixie stayed with me 3 years and there are others who have had pos cats a lot longer than that. Keep her as stress free and as well fed as you can and she may reward you with many, many years.I pray so. Bless you for making the right decision for this little one. On Aug 7, 2009, at 12:31 AM, D.S.Louis wrote: Brought my new kitty home from the pound on Sat and found out this morning she is Feline pos. WE were given the choice to return her or have her put to sleep..orbring her home.. WE decided to bring her home...Although we may only have her for a short time...She will be loved and cared for with no regrets She is a beautiful Siamese..and about 2 yrs old...and gas all ready brought much joy to our lives... Cherokee "A failure is just a stopover on the way to SUCCESS." ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org Marylyn, Copper & Thomas ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
