Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
When I as about 6, I got ringworm from a stray kitten and the doctor gave my mother Gentian Violet to put on it. My hair fell out and came back in curlier than the rest of my hair. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have never had ringworm, yet...but that stuff is very dangerous if overused or not the right dosage. I've heard of kittens and cats dying, and then the owners blamed the vet...can't tell whose fault it was. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof Ringworm can be tricky... Had a kitten who I brought up from a shelter who had it. Not the worst thing in the world but untreated, it will spread harm cat. Vet gave me a liquid to apply in a few weeks, it cleared up. There's also a pill medicine that can be used but it does have a bit more risk. Have a friend who has been using the generic people ringworm paste for years says it works fine--a lot cheaper than prescription. Are these cats that you could apply a lotion on? If so, I can ask what human stuff she uses how much.. If not, I can dig around for info on the pills. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof Pine horse bedding works well for a litter. My guys came from a pine thicket so it works really well with them. 40 pounds for $8 (?). Of course I change it a lot more often than the clay but I can throw it in a field or use it as mulch or whatever (turns to sawdust). Sounds like you have the litter issue down though. Raw (for people who like it) meat and lightly cooked with lots of juices really extends food and it is truly good for cats. A neighbor just gave me two large roasts that had some freezer burnmy friends don't mind. As far as fish including mackeral and salmonI break teh pieces into something akin to mush and mix some extra water in...then let it sit for a few minutes or more. The ferals get more water and eat the fish. Glad for the information on Purina Hairball. It is hard to know what ferals need. Does anyone have experience with ringworm and ferals? I don't know if any of these guys are FeLV+ or not. I have refused to have them tested. They have been together for so long that it just doesn't matter (re passing the virus on) and I do the very best I can for them health wise. On Mar 30, 2011, at 8:20 AM, Katy Doyle wrote: My animals love all of the Blue Buffalo flavors (cats and dog), I'm lucky because mine are not picky eaters. However, they tend to throw up when they eat other brands... I can't figure out why. So I've started by mixing Purina Hairball with the Blue Buffalo to make it stretch longer. I'm also going to start to cook up some meat for them as a supplement. :-) Buddy LOVES roast beef! Weird right? Cat litter, I go to Sam's (or Costco, depends on where you live) and get the 50 lb bag of clay cat litter for $7 and mix it with the nicer clumping litter. It still works great and it stretches the good stuff further. I don't know anything about reverse mortgages, I just bought my first house (I'm 23) about a hear ago. Having special needs cats is difficult when money is tight and I'm just starting out on my own. --Katy On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:38 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My pride is on Blue Buffalo DUCK. For some reason, they do not like chicken no matter what brand of food. Occassionaly, I get them some Mackeral canned for humans and they love it, broth only. Why they don't eat the meat I don't know. It seems that the stronge the smell, the better they like it. Salmon also turns them off. Turkey is so so. Beef is also so so. Saw a food the other day that is buffalo meat, thought I might try it. Do know one thing, these healthy foods are breaking the bank. 7 cats go thru 2 bags a month (x $33.00 per bag. I have found a cheaper source of litter. They like World's Best which is made from corn. I can cut cost more by buying horse bedding made from coursely ground corn and corn cobs. Doesn't work too good with the scoopers, but does the job of stopping odor and clumps well enough. Things are getting tight, money wise and am going back to work at 70 as soon as I get a job of some kind. SS does not cut it when heating bills go up and insurance costs are added in. Has anyone had experience with reverse mortgagees? Been thinking about that. At least it would keep the cats and I in our home. Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that
Re: [Felvtalk] Fish for cats
Katy, I found out that some of my cats were allergc to corn, wheat or soy that
is in all commercial foods. As soon as I started them on Blue Bufalo, the
vomittng topped and the diahrrea almost dissappeared. I will stay with Blue
Buffalo, better for them and cheaper than running to the vet trying to treat
something caused by the food I feed.
Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote:
Oh wow, thanks for that heads up!
Of my two cats, only one will eat fish product, Chloe. Buddy will not touch
the fishy stuff.
--Katy
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
i HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT FISH IN THEIR FOOD CAN BE A POSSIBLE CAUSE OF
URINARY TRACT PROBLEMS. My Homey was having problems and was not esponding
to treatment. I got a Chinese herb thing from All Natural online and it did
the trick. At the same time I read online about fish being a possible
contributor to the problem and pulled the treats which were loaded with
fish. So far, no more problems.
Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
I have always wondered why cats like fish.it's not a natural food for
them,
they don't fish...
Tuna:
Mindy Bough, veterinary technician for the ASPCA Pet Nutrition and
Science
Advisory Service, dishes out the facts on this savory feline fave:
An occasional tuna treat for your cat is generally harmless, says
Bough.
However, if a large part of the cat's diet consists of tuna--or if the
cat
is fed tuna exclusively--some problems are likely to arise.
Tuna does not contain significant amounts of vitamin E, for example, so
too
much of the fish can lead to vitamin E deficiency, resulting in yellow
fat
disease, or steatitis. Symptoms include loss of appetite, fever and
hypersensitivity to touch, due to inflammation and necrosis of fat under
the
skin. Felines who are fed too much tuna can develop other nutrient
deficiencies, too, because most de-boned fish are lacking in calcium,
sodium, iron, copper and several other vitamins.
Mercury, frequently present in tuna, also presents a potential danger.
At
low levels, this may not be a concern, explains Bough, but if tuna is
fed
nearly exclusively, it could pose significant problems.
The bottom line? I recommend premium commercial food for domestic cats,
Bough says. These foods are formulated to meet all of a cat's dietary
needs.
http://www.provet.co.uk/petfacts/healthtips/rawfish.htm
Many owners consider fish to be the staple diet of cats - and they
believe
that it is beneficial to feed them an exclusively fish ration.
Fish is a good raw ingredient to incorporate into cat foods, but it has
certain draw backs. Firstly it does not contain all the nutrients that a
cat
requires and, like meat, it is deficient in calcium with an inverse
calcium:phosphorus ratio. Coley (or Saithe) a popular fish with cat
owners
in the UK and the fillet cut contains 15-20 mg calcium per 100g but over
200
mg phosphorus per 100g, a Ca:P ratio of 1:10. Cod and other white fish
are
similar.
If owners are feeding fish bones should be removed to avoid
complications.
Fish should be cooked to avoid the possibility of disease transmission.
Salmon poisoning has been recorded in cats which contracted the disease
caused by Neorickettsiae spp from eating raw salmon or trout. This
disease
occurs within 2 weeks of the ingestion of infected food and causes the
following signs :
* Depression
* Fever
* Lymphadenopathy - swelling of the lymph nodes
* Oculonasal discharge
* Haematemesis - vomiting blood
* Diarrhoea
* Death - 90% in untreated cases.
Diagnosis is confirmed by finding trematode eggs in faeces samples, or
rickettsiae in lymph node samples.
Clinical cases of thiamine deficiency are periodically seen by
veterinarians
due to cats being fed fish - as commercially prepared canned food, or as
raw fish. Thiamin (vitamin B1) is an essential dietary nutrient for cats.
Processing can destroy thiamine in a food, and so reduce the initial
concentrations present at canning, and some fish (including herring and
carp) contain the thiaminase which will destroy thiamine.
Clinical signs of thiamine deficiency include :
* Anorexia
* Ataxia - 2-3 days later
* Vomiting
* Convulsions - short
* Dilation of the pupils
* Ventroflexion of the neck (Chastek's paralysis)
Affected patients will die unless treatment is administered (100-250 mg
thiamine IV or SC twice daily). In most cases a complete recovery can be
expected in treated cases unless severe central nervous system has
occurred.
Confirmation of diagnosis is not readily available :
* Increased plasma pyruvate
* Increased plasma lactate
* Reduced erythrocyte
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS
If only all people would neuter/spay their animals, the world would be much better and we would be spared the heartache of dealing with the deaths of our furbabies we have adopted. Can not understand why people refuse to do this and why they just dispose of the unwanted babies by throwing them out for someone else to care for or to be killed by a car or dog or coyote. Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote: My heart aches for your loss. You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all you could. They were safe, loved, and comfortable. Bless you for taking such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, 2nd Hotmail cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rosie passed last... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] vet jet
Jut checked this out. It is made by Merial and is only for felv vaccine. Check out details on purevax.us.merial.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof
TS carries the pine pellet horse bedding I use. Glad to know about the corn based but would be concerned about weevils where I live. I had to stop using SWeats because of them. The pine turns to sawdust that I compost or use as a mulch around plants---hoping the cat odor will discourage rabbits. Sounds gross but various animal urines are used in the sprays used to repel rabbits, deer etc. Worth a try anyway. On Apr 16, 2011, at 1:38 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: You can also get a horse bedding from Tractor Supply for about the same price. It is corn based and also biodegradeable and cmpostable. . Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: My animals love all of the Blue Buffalo flavors (cats and dog), I'm lucky because mine are not picky eaters. However, they tend to throw up when they eat other brands... I can't figure out why. So I've started by mixing Purina Hairball with the Blue Buffalo to make it stretch longer. I'm also going to start to cook up some meat for them as a supplement. :-) Buddy LOVES roast beef! Weird right? Cat litter, I go to Sam's (or Costco, depends on where you live) and get the 50 lb bag of clay cat litter for $7 and mix it with the nicer clumping litter. It still works great and it stretches the good stuff further. I don't know anything about reverse mortgages, I just bought my first house (I'm 23) about a hear ago. Having special needs cats is difficult when money is tight and I'm just starting out on my own. --Katy On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:38 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My pride is on Blue Buffalo DUCK. For some reason, they do not like chicken no matter what brand of food. Occassionaly, I get them some Mackeral canned for humans and they love it, broth only. Why they don't eat the meat I don't know. It seems that the stronge the smell, the better they like it. Salmon also turns them off. Turkey is so so. Beef is also so so. Saw a food the other day that is buffalo meat, thought I might try it. Do know one thing, these healthy foods are breaking the bank. 7 cats go thru 2 bags a month (x $33.00 per bag. I have found a cheaper source of litter. They like World's Best which is made from corn. I can cut cost more by buying horse bedding made from coursely ground corn and corn cobs. Doesn't work too good with the scoopers, but does the job of stopping odor and clumps well enough. Things are getting tight, money wise and am going back to work at 70 as soon as I get a job of some kind. SS does not cut it when heating bills go up and insurance costs are added in. Has anyone had experience with reverse mortgagees? Been thinking about that. At least it would keep the cats and I in our home. Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: They aren't thrilled w. Turkey but LOVE that Sardines, Shrimp Crab. We rotate through the different flavors cause we wouldn't want the little buggers to get bored with their food-LOL. They finally agreed to all eat some Blue Buffalo Lite dry but it took a bit of doing. They're not spoiled or anything! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof My cats eat canned Wellness but only the salmon and turkey flavor. Go figure. They *Love* Prarie chicken dryed catfood. It's pretty good nutrition-wise. And no, it's not made out of 'prarie chickens'... ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof They can be fussy, can't they! LOL My brood eats wellness canned but when I tried wellness dry as supplement, they turned up their noses. Have a friend who had a cat that lived to her early 20's-- wouldn't eat anything xcept 9-Lives (which is not the worst food in the world). -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Foof I have found that my cats, even Amber my felv cat does not care for the more expensive/healthy food. I fed her that at first and after she got past her starvation mode,(a time when she was grateful for anything to eat), she would not eat it as well. I switched to the Meow Mix shredded with gravy and they all love that. I tried feeding my other cats the healthy stuff as well and they tried to cover it up like it was a bowel movement..LOL. Amber will eat cooked chicken but my other cats won't eat anything but cat food. I aree with supplementing their junk food cat food with real meat if you can get them to eat it. I am feeding Amber the Fancy Feast brand as
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS
I am so sorry to hear that Rosie has passed. I really hoped that at least one would be spared a while longer. They were a lucky bunch of kittens to have found you, so many people won't give even one positive a chance. Hugs, Beth N., angel Will Feral's mom ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives
Our cats love carriers - when I try to take any cat to the vet, others jump right in before I have a chance to place the cat into itThey love carriers as much as they love boxes and paper bags(handles cut apart or removed).! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives On that note, Copper and Thomas go into their carriers when they want to be alone or are pissed off. They even close (not latch) the doors. They eat on a bench they started eating on as tiny kittens. Carriers are wonderful if they are safe places. My boys traveled from the day they came out of the pine thicket and, until they got grown, I took them on rides and visited people with them. Carriers are sources of adventure and fun. I have served the boys for almost 3 years and they travel with me to Louisville, to various other places with no troubleno fighting to get them in their carriers or searching for them for hours. They have a dog carriage (big baby carriage with screens and very big all-terrain wheels) to ride around outsidethey love that too. The crate idea is wonderful. Same principle as crate training a dog. Bob came crate trainedhe goes there to rest from the cats, to eat or tell me it is meal time, when he is wet etc. On Apr 15, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Pam Norman wrote: You all have been so helpful on my questions about Poppy I can't believe it! Maybe I can return the favor a bit help here. Most of my 10 cats eat in their crates. I have them stacked in the kitchen each cat knows which one is his they go into them at meal times. Otherwise I too would run out of rooms. I have one who also eats in the bathroom one who eats in my pc room, but the others all eat in their crates in the kitchen. Sometimes they nap or sleep in them too since they have good connotations. Pam On 4/15/2011 5:12 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: How do you keep feeding bowls seperate? I have 7 and don't have enough rooms to keep them out of each other's bowls. Besides, each one thinks that he other's food is diffeent and better than theirs so the first few minutes of feeding is spent trading bowls just t make sure I get the best food. Sharon Catalanscata...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Pam, My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy- cat was just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some time now. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net wrote: I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading reading from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives
My two boyz are about 5 yrs old now - no health problems at all (hope it stays that way). Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 5:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives I read that too about the 85% that will live a max of 3.5 years. Someone in my feline asthma group said her cat lived until she was 16. Can you believe that? She said the cat lived indoors since a kitten and hadn't mixed with other cats so she assumes that the cat got the disease as a kitten. I thought that was incredible. 11 years is outstanding also. How fortunate you are. Some cats just defy the odds I guess. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:30:51 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives Belinda, What a relief to hear! I feel you are so lucky because I don't hear very many stories as yours. I have read that 85% of kitties that test positive on the IFA test, don't live past 3 1/2 yrs. I'm so glad that you were able to enjoy Bailey as long as you did! What meds did you have him on? Lynda - Original Message - From: Belinda Sauro ma...@bemikitties.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives My Bailey lived with his housemates from the time he was 5 months old (tested positive then) until he passed of cancer at age 11 years, they slept, ate, groomed and on occasion had little spats, none of his vaccinated housemates ever became positive. I had them tested intermittently and they were always negative. I lost Bailey in 2006 and his remaining housemates are still negative. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives
My pride doesn't like them. Maybe if I left them out and open, they would come to think of them as bags and boxes. I have boxes all over the house. When I get a new one, I cannot let it lay for 5 seconds. If I do, it becomes a bed or hiding place for them. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Our cats love carriers - when I try to take any cat to the vet, others jump right in before I have a chance to place the cat into itThey love carriers as much as they love boxes and paper bags(handles cut apart or removed).! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives On that note, Copper and Thomas go into their carriers when they want to be alone or are pissed off. They even close (not latch) the doors. They eat on a bench they started eating on as tiny kittens. Carriers are wonderful if they are safe places. My boys traveled from the day they came out of the pine thicket and, until they got grown, I took them on rides and visited people with them. Carriers are sources of adventure and fun. I have served the boys for almost 3 years and they travel with me to Louisville, to various other places with no troubleno fighting to get them in their carriers or searching for them for hours. They have a dog carriage (big baby carriage with screens and very big all-terrain wheels) to ride around outsidethey love that too. The crate idea is wonderful. Same principle as crate training a dog. Bob came crate trainedhe goes there to rest from the cats, to eat or tell me it is meal time, when he is wet etc. On Apr 15, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Pam Norman wrote: You all have been so helpful on my questions about Poppy I can't believe it! Maybe I can return the favor a bit help here. Most of my 10 cats eat in their crates. I have them stacked in the kitchen each cat knows which one is his they go into them at meal times. Otherwise I too would run out of rooms. I have one who also eats in the bathroom one who eats in my pc room, but the others all eat in their crates in the kitchen. Sometimes they nap or sleep in them too since they have good connotations. Pam On 4/15/2011 5:12 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: How do you keep feeding bowls seperate? I have 7 and don't have enough rooms to keep them out of each other's bowls. Besides, each one thinks that he other's food is diffeent and better than theirs so the first few minutes of feeding is spent trading bowls just t make sure I get the best food. Sharon Catalanscata...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Pam, My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy- cat was just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some time now. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net wrote: I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading reading from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS
Part of it is understandable if you consider the extremely high cost of veterinarians - and most people are not aware of low-cost certificates, and the worst is that so few vets participate in those programs. I found out that in our area, a spay can be as much as $500 for a female cat - who, but the very rich (and they don't even want to part with their money) can afford this? When we were spaying and neutering cats that we trapped in Mexico, the vet charged us (his regular price) $55! Of course, for locals, even that is a terrifically high cost, that's why we paid for them. People are to blame for these horrible consequences - nobody should be homeless, not even animals. There was a show last Sunday morning on CBS with Charles Osgood - about animals, how many dogs and cat owners there are in the USA, how popular they are and how well they are cared for, pampered, doted on, to extremesNOT a single word about cats and dogs languishing in kill-shelters, in back alleys scrounging for survival, tortured and abused, dying from preventable diseases, hunger, and extreme weatherI've been too busy to write them a letter, although I still plan to. The story made it seem like all's well with cats and dogs! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS If only all people would neuter/spay their animals, the world would be much better and we would be spared the heartache of dealing with the deaths of our furbabies we have adopted. Can not understand why people refuse to do this and why they just dispose of the unwanted babies by throwing them out for someone else to care for or to be killed by a car or dog or coyote. Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote: My heart aches for your loss. You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all you could. They were safe, loved, and comfortable. Bless you for taking such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, 2nd Hotmail cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rosie passed last... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS
Kudos to you Natalie! I will write a letter as well. Would you happen to have the email address or physical address? We are their voice and let our voices be heard. All of us should get our two cents in. Lynda - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS Part of it is understandable if you consider the extremely high cost of veterinarians - and most people are not aware of low-cost certificates, and the worst is that so few vets participate in those programs. I found out that in our area, a spay can be as much as $500 for a female cat - who, but the very rich (and they don't even want to part with their money) can afford this? When we were spaying and neutering cats that we trapped in Mexico, the vet charged us (his regular price) $55! Of course, for locals, even that is a terrifically high cost, that's why we paid for them. People are to blame for these horrible consequences - nobody should be homeless, not even animals. There was a show last Sunday morning on CBS with Charles Osgood - about animals, how many dogs and cat owners there are in the USA, how popular they are and how well they are cared for, pampered, doted on, to extremesNOT a single word about cats and dogs languishing in kill-shelters, in back alleys scrounging for survival, tortured and abused, dying from preventable diseases, hunger, and extreme weatherI've been too busy to write them a letter, although I still plan to. The story made it seem like all's well with cats and dogs! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS If only all people would neuter/spay their animals, the world would be much better and we would be spared the heartache of dealing with the deaths of our furbabies we have adopted. Can not understand why people refuse to do this and why they just dispose of the unwanted babies by throwing them out for someone else to care for or to be killed by a car or dog or coyote. Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote: My heart aches for your loss. You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all you could. They were safe, loved, and comfortable. Bless you for taking such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, 2nd Hotmail cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rosie passed last... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That is ridiculous. The most I have paid is about $200 and that is laser with 3 days extra boarding (Lost two beautiful cats 3 days after they were spayed. Different vets, unrelated cats within a couple of months of each other and had problems finding a vet as they died in my armswon't happen again). On Apr 16, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Natalie wrote: Part of it is understandable if you consider the extremely high cost of veterinarians - and most people are not aware of low-cost certificates, and the worst is that so few vets participate in those programs. I found out that in our area, a spay can be as much as $500 for a female cat - who, but the very rich (and they don't even want to part with their money) can afford this? When we were spaying and neutering cats that we trapped in Mexico, the vet charged us (his regular price) $55! Of course, for locals, even that is a terrifically high cost, that's why we paid for them. People are to blame for these horrible consequences - nobody should be homeless, not even animals. There was a show last Sunday morning on CBS with Charles Osgood - about animals, how many dogs and cat owners there are in the USA, how popular they are and how well they are cared for, pampered, doted on, to extremesNOT a single word about cats and dogs languishing in kill-shelters, in back alleys scrounging for survival, tortured and abused, dying from preventable diseases, hunger, and extreme weatherI've been too busy to write them a letter, although I still plan to. The story made it seem like all's well with cats and dogs! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS If only all people would neuter/spay their animals, the world would be much better and we would be spared the heartache of dealing with the deaths of our furbabies we have adopted. Can not understand why people refuse to do this and why they just dispose of the unwanted babies by throwing them out for someone else to care for or to be killed by a car or dog or coyote. Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote: My heart aches for your loss. You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all you could. They were safe, loved, and comfortable. Bless you for taking such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, 2nd Hotmail cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rosie passed last... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS
I live outside o NYC just got 2 stray kitties vaccinated, neutered, microchipped FELV tested. Had s/n certificates it still cost me $700. And my vet is far from the highest fee. We sometimes forget that vet care is getting as expensive as human med care. And when you consider that many people have more than one pet, the cost can be beyond their reach. At least w. humans, you know that if your child gets really sick, you can go to any emergency room--with pets, unless you've got the cash--you're not getting treatment. One vet about 10 miles from me charges $800 for male neuterand has customers! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS That is ridiculous. The most I have paid is about $200 and that is laser with 3 days extra boarding (Lost two beautiful cats 3 days after they were spayed. Different vets, unrelated cats within a couple of months of each other and had problems finding a vet as they died in my armswon't happen again). On Apr 16, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Natalie wrote: Part of it is understandable if you consider the extremely high cost of veterinarians - and most people are not aware of low-cost certificates, and the worst is that so few vets participate in those programs. I found out that in our area, a spay can be as much as $500 for a female cat - who, but the very rich (and they don't even want to part with their money) can afford this? When we were spaying and neutering cats that we trapped in Mexico, the vet charged us (his regular price) $55! Of course, for locals, even that is a terrifically high cost, that's why we paid for them. People are to blame for these horrible consequences - nobody should be homeless, not even animals. There was a show last Sunday morning on CBS with Charles Osgood - about animals, how many dogs and cat owners there are in the USA, how popular they are and how well they are cared for, pampered, doted on, to extremesNOT a single word about cats and dogs languishing in kill-shelters, in back alleys scrounging for survival, tortured and abused, dying from preventable diseases, hunger, and extreme weatherI've been too busy to write them a letter, although I still plan to. The story made it seem like all's well with cats and dogs! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS If only all people would neuter/spay their animals, the world would be much better and we would be spared the heartache of dealing with the deaths of our furbabies we have adopted. Can not understand why people refuse to do this and why they just dispose of the unwanted babies by throwing them out for someone else to care for or to be killed by a car or dog or coyote. Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote: My heart aches for your loss. You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all you could. They were safe, loved, and comfortable. Bless you for taking such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, 2nd Hotmail cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rosie passed last... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS
bOY, AM GLAD i HAVE cARE cREDIT! aT LEAST i CAN SPREADY THE COST OVER SEVERAL MONTHS. On Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:39 PM, Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com wrote: I live outside o NYC just got 2 stray kitties vaccinated, neutered, microchipped FELV tested. Had s/n certificates it still cost me $700. And my vet is far from the highest fee. We sometimes forget that vet care is getting as expensive as human med care. And when you consider that many people have more than one pet, the cost can be beyond their reach. At least w. humans, you know that if your child gets really sick, you can go to any emergency room--with pets, unless you've got the cash--you're not getting treatment. One vet about 10 miles from me charges $800 for male neuterand has customers! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS That is ridiculous. The most I have paid is about $200 and that is laser with 3 days extra boarding (Lost two beautiful cats 3 days after they were spayed. Different vets, unrelated cats within a couple of months of each other and had problems finding a vet as they died in my armswon't happen again). On Apr 16, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Natalie wrote: Part of it is understandable if you consider the extremely high cost of veterinarians - and most people are not aware of low-cost certificates, and the worst is that so few vets participate in those programs. I found out that in our area, a spay can be as much as $500 for a female cat - who, but the very rich (and they don't even want to part with their money) can afford this? When we were spaying and neutering cats that we trapped in Mexico, the vet charged us (his regular price) $55! Of course, for locals, even that is a terrifically high cost, that's why we paid for them. People are to blame for these horrible consequences - nobody should be homeless, not even animals. There was a show last Sunday morning on CBS with Charles Osgood - about animals, how many dogs and cat owners there are in the USA, how popular they are and how well they are cared for, pampered, doted on, to extremesNOT a single word about cats and dogs languishing in kill-shelters, in back alleys scrounging for survival, tortured and abused, dying from preventable diseases, hunger, and extreme weatherI've been too busy to write them a letter, although I still plan to. The story made it seem like all's well with cats and dogs! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS If only all people would neuter/spay their animals, the world would be much better and we would be spared the heartache of dealing with the deaths of our furbabies we have adopted. Can not understand why people refuse to do this and why they just dispose of the unwanted babies by throwing them out for someone else to care for or to be killed by a car or dog or coyote. Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote: My heart aches for your loss. You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all you could. They were safe, loved, and comfortable. Bless you for taking such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, 2nd Hotmail cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rosie passed last... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS
Ok, how d you gt low cost certificates? On Saturday, April 16, 2011 12:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Part of it is understandable if you consider the extremely high cost of veterinarians - and most people are not aware of low-cost certificates, and the worst is that so few vets participate in those programs. I found out that in our area, a spay can be as much as $500 for a female cat - who, but the very rich (and they don't even want to part with their money) can afford this? When we were spaying and neutering cats that we trapped in Mexico, the vet charged us (his regular price) $55! Of course, for locals, even that is a terrifically high cost, that's why we paid for them. People are to blame for these horrible consequences - nobody should be homeless, not even animals. There was a show last Sunday morning on CBS with Charles Osgood - about animals, how many dogs and cat owners there are in the USA, how popular they are and how well they are cared for, pampered, doted on, to extremesNOT a single word about cats and dogs languishing in kill-shelters, in back alleys scrounging for survival, tortured and abused, dying from preventable diseases, hunger, and extreme weatherI've been too busy to write them a letter, although I still plan to. The story made it seem like all's well with cats and dogs! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS If only all people would neuter/spay their animals, the world would be much better and we would be spared the heartache of dealing with the deaths of our furbabies we have adopted. Can not understand why people refuse to do this and why they just dispose of the unwanted babies by throwing them out for someone else to care for or to be killed by a car or dog or coyote. Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote: My heart aches for your loss. You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all you could. They were safe, loved, and comfortable. Bless you for taking such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, 2nd Hotmail cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rosie passed last... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS
Sometimes, local shelters have them... -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS Ok, how d you gt low cost certificates? On Saturday, April 16, 2011 12:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Part of it is understandable if you consider the extremely high cost of veterinarians - and most people are not aware of low-cost certificates, and the worst is that so few vets participate in those programs. I found out that in our area, a spay can be as much as $500 for a female cat - who, but the very rich (and they don't even want to part with their money) can afford this? When we were spaying and neutering cats that we trapped in Mexico, the vet charged us (his regular price) $55! Of course, for locals, even that is a terrifically high cost, that's why we paid for them. People are to blame for these horrible consequences - nobody should be homeless, not even animals. There was a show last Sunday morning on CBS with Charles Osgood - about animals, how many dogs and cat owners there are in the USA, how popular they are and how well they are cared for, pampered, doted on, to extremesNOT a single word about cats and dogs languishing in kill-shelters, in back alleys scrounging for survival, tortured and abused, dying from preventable diseases, hunger, and extreme weatherI've been too busy to write them a letter, although I still plan to. The story made it seem like all's well with cats and dogs! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS If only all people would neuter/spay their animals, the world would be much better and we would be spared the heartache of dealing with the deaths of our furbabies we have adopted. Can not understand why people refuse to do this and why they just dispose of the unwanted babies by throwing them out for someone else to care for or to be killed by a car or dog or coyote. Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote: My heart aches for your loss. You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all you could. They were safe, loved, and comfortable. Bless you for taking such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, 2nd Hotmail cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rosie passed last... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o rg ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fish for cats
Thanks for the advice! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 16, 2011, at 2:35 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Katy, I found out that some of my cats were allergc to corn, wheat or soy that is in all commercial foods. As soon as I started them on Blue Bufalo, the vomittng topped and the diahrrea almost dissappeared. I will stay with Blue Buffalo, better for them and cheaper than running to the vet trying to treat something caused by the food I feed. Katy Doyle athenapities...@gmail.com wrote: Oh wow, thanks for that heads up! Of my two cats, only one will eat fish product, Chloe. Buddy will not touch the fishy stuff. --Katy On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:11 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: i HAVE ALSO HEARD THAT FISH IN THEIR FOOD CAN BE A POSSIBLE CAUSE OF URINARY TRACT PROBLEMS. My Homey was having problems and was not esponding to treatment. I got a Chinese herb thing from All Natural online and it did the trick. At the same time I read online about fish being a possible contributor to the problem and pulled the treats which were loaded with fish. So far, no more problems. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I have always wondered why cats like fish.it's not a natural food for them, they don't fish... Tuna: Mindy Bough, veterinary technician for the ASPCA Pet Nutrition and Science Advisory Service, dishes out the facts on this savory feline fave: An occasional tuna treat for your cat is generally harmless, says Bough. However, if a large part of the cat's diet consists of tuna--or if the cat is fed tuna exclusively--some problems are likely to arise. Tuna does not contain significant amounts of vitamin E, for example, so too much of the fish can lead to vitamin E deficiency, resulting in yellow fat disease, or steatitis. Symptoms include loss of appetite, fever and hypersensitivity to touch, due to inflammation and necrosis of fat under the skin. Felines who are fed too much tuna can develop other nutrient deficiencies, too, because most de-boned fish are lacking in calcium, sodium, iron, copper and several other vitamins. Mercury, frequently present in tuna, also presents a potential danger. At low levels, this may not be a concern, explains Bough, but if tuna is fed nearly exclusively, it could pose significant problems. The bottom line? I recommend premium commercial food for domestic cats, Bough says. These foods are formulated to meet all of a cat's dietary needs. http://www.provet.co.uk/petfacts/healthtips/rawfish.htm Many owners consider fish to be the staple diet of cats - and they believe that it is beneficial to feed them an exclusively fish ration. Fish is a good raw ingredient to incorporate into cat foods, but it has certain draw backs. Firstly it does not contain all the nutrients that a cat requires and, like meat, it is deficient in calcium with an inverse calcium:phosphorus ratio. Coley (or Saithe) a popular fish with cat owners in the UK and the fillet cut contains 15-20 mg calcium per 100g but over 200 mg phosphorus per 100g, a Ca:P ratio of 1:10. Cod and other white fish are similar. If owners are feeding fish bones should be removed to avoid complications. Fish should be cooked to avoid the possibility of disease transmission. Salmon poisoning has been recorded in cats which contracted the disease caused by Neorickettsiae spp from eating raw salmon or trout. This disease occurs within 2 weeks of the ingestion of infected food and causes the following signs : * Depression * Fever * Lymphadenopathy - swelling of the lymph nodes * Oculonasal discharge * Haematemesis - vomiting blood * Diarrhoea * Death - 90% in untreated cases. Diagnosis is confirmed by finding trematode eggs in faeces samples, or rickettsiae in lymph node samples. Clinical cases of thiamine deficiency are periodically seen by veterinarians due to cats being fed fish - as commercially prepared canned food, or as raw fish. Thiamin (vitamin B1) is an essential dietary nutrient for cats. Processing can destroy thiamine in a food, and so reduce the initial concentrations present at canning, and some fish (including herring and carp) contain the thiaminase which will destroy thiamine. Clinical signs of thiamine deficiency include : * Anorexia * Ataxia - 2-3 days later * Vomiting * Convulsions - short * Dilation of the pupils * Ventroflexion of the neck (Chastek's paralysis) Affected patients will die unless treatment is administered (100-250 mg thiamine IV or SC twice daily). In most cases a complete recovery can be expected in treated cases unless severe central nervous system has occurred. Confirmation of diagnosis is not readily available : * Increased plasma pyruvate * Increased plasma lactate * Reduced erythrocyte trans-ketolase activity (a thiamine-dependant enzyme) Some fish are
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS
I will look it up and post address. Thanks - the more, the merrier! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS Kudos to you Natalie! I will write a letter as well. Would you happen to have the email address or physical address? We are their voice and let our voices be heard. All of us should get our two cents in. Lynda - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS Part of it is understandable if you consider the extremely high cost of veterinarians - and most people are not aware of low-cost certificates, and the worst is that so few vets participate in those programs. I found out that in our area, a spay can be as much as $500 for a female cat - who, but the very rich (and they don't even want to part with their money) can afford this? When we were spaying and neutering cats that we trapped in Mexico, the vet charged us (his regular price) $55! Of course, for locals, even that is a terrifically high cost, that's why we paid for them. People are to blame for these horrible consequences - nobody should be homeless, not even animals. There was a show last Sunday morning on CBS with Charles Osgood - about animals, how many dogs and cat owners there are in the USA, how popular they are and how well they are cared for, pampered, doted on, to extremesNOT a single word about cats and dogs languishing in kill-shelters, in back alleys scrounging for survival, tortured and abused, dying from preventable diseases, hunger, and extreme weatherI've been too busy to write them a letter, although I still plan to. The story made it seem like all's well with cats and dogs! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS If only all people would neuter/spay their animals, the world would be much better and we would be spared the heartache of dealing with the deaths of our furbabies we have adopted. Can not understand why people refuse to do this and why they just dispose of the unwanted babies by throwing them out for someone else to care for or to be killed by a car or dog or coyote. Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote: My heart aches for your loss. You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all you could. They were safe, loved, and comfortable. Bless you for taking such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, 2nd Hotmail cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rosie passed last... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS
This is in Greenwich, CT - not a lot cheaper elsewhere in the state, except up NE/NW. But our vets charge us a lot less, and using FoA certificates is still the cheapest. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS That is ridiculous. The most I have paid is about $200 and that is laser with 3 days extra boarding (Lost two beautiful cats 3 days after they were spayed. Different vets, unrelated cats within a couple of months of each other and had problems finding a vet as they died in my armswon't happen again). On Apr 16, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Natalie wrote: Part of it is understandable if you consider the extremely high cost of veterinarians - and most people are not aware of low-cost certificates, and the worst is that so few vets participate in those programs. I found out that in our area, a spay can be as much as $500 for a female cat - who, but the very rich (and they don't even want to part with their money) can afford this? When we were spaying and neutering cats that we trapped in Mexico, the vet charged us (his regular price) $55! Of course, for locals, even that is a terrifically high cost, that's why we paid for them. People are to blame for these horrible consequences - nobody should be homeless, not even animals. There was a show last Sunday morning on CBS with Charles Osgood - about animals, how many dogs and cat owners there are in the USA, how popular they are and how well they are cared for, pampered, doted on, to extremesNOT a single word about cats and dogs languishing in kill-shelters, in back alleys scrounging for survival, tortured and abused, dying from preventable diseases, hunger, and extreme weatherI've been too busy to write them a letter, although I still plan to. The story made it seem like all's well with cats and dogs! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS If only all people would neuter/spay their animals, the world would be much better and we would be spared the heartache of dealing with the deaths of our furbabies we have adopted. Can not understand why people refuse to do this and why they just dispose of the unwanted babies by throwing them out for someone else to care for or to be killed by a car or dog or coyote. Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote: My heart aches for your loss. You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all you could. They were safe, loved, and comfortable. Bless you for taking such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, 2nd Hotmail cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rosie passed last... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS
FoA - 1-800-321-PETS or go to www.friendsofanimals.org and look for certificates on the right sidebar. They also give you a list of participating vets in your area. SPAY-USA - 1-800-248-SPAY - no websitethey also give you a list of participating vets. FoA is cheaper than SPAY-USA. Some local humane societies also provide low-cost spaying/neutering. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS Ok, how d you gt low cost certificates? On Saturday, April 16, 2011 12:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: Part of it is understandable if you consider the extremely high cost of veterinarians - and most people are not aware of low-cost certificates, and the worst is that so few vets participate in those programs. I found out that in our area, a spay can be as much as $500 for a female cat - who, but the very rich (and they don't even want to part with their money) can afford this? When we were spaying and neutering cats that we trapped in Mexico, the vet charged us (his regular price) $55! Of course, for locals, even that is a terrifically high cost, that's why we paid for them. People are to blame for these horrible consequences - nobody should be homeless, not even animals. There was a show last Sunday morning on CBS with Charles Osgood - about animals, how many dogs and cat owners there are in the USA, how popular they are and how well they are cared for, pampered, doted on, to extremesNOT a single word about cats and dogs languishing in kill-shelters, in back alleys scrounging for survival, tortured and abused, dying from preventable diseases, hunger, and extreme weatherI've been too busy to write them a letter, although I still plan to. The story made it seem like all's well with cats and dogs! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 2:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Rosie to CLS If only all people would neuter/spay their animals, the world would be much better and we would be spared the heartache of dealing with the deaths of our furbabies we have adopted. Can not understand why people refuse to do this and why they just dispose of the unwanted babies by throwing them out for someone else to care for or to be killed by a car or dog or coyote. Heather Clark heatherjcl...@gmail.com wrote: My heart aches for your loss. You gave Rosie, Murphy, and her brothers all you could. They were safe, loved, and comfortable. Bless you for taking such good care of them and knowing when to let them cross the bridge. You will be in my thoughts and prayers. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Android On Mar 30, 2011 8:15 AM, 2nd Hotmail cstet...@hotmail.com wrote: It breaks my heart, immensely!!! I am so sorry for your loss! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 29, 2011, at 8:09 PM, Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Rosie passed last... ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives
Even though this wasn't directed at me I thought I'd give my input (my husband says I do this all the time - LOL). The only way I think this would be possible is if the virus is in transition. Like, it has just gotten into the body and it hasn't had time to do what ever it does to get into the blood stream. The ELISA test and an IFA test would be negative at this point. I'm not sure if the cat can pass it at this point though since it hasn't really gotten into the saliva or bloodstream. Not sure about that but it seems logical to me. Then the virus progresses and gets into the system/bloodstream or saliva and the ELISA test would be positive but the IFA test would be negative. I'm guessing at this point the cat could spread it. After this if the cat can't extinguish the virus or put it into latentcy then it gets into the white blood cells and the IFA test would eventually test positive. The cat could definitely pass it at this point. I did for sure read that if the virus if put into latentcy then it is carried in the bone marrow but not in the white blood cells or bloodstream or saliva so it can't pass the virus to other cats. That's my thoughts but I'm not a vet. I know that if it's in latency they can't spread it which I found very interesting. The cat wouldn't test positive at that point either, even on the IFA test. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:40:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives Sharon, I have read that some cats can be carriers of FeLV and test negative, but can transmit it to other cats. This is a crazy disease that has so many if's that it's confusing. Have you heard of this as well? Lynda - Original Message - From: Sharon Catalan scata...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives Hello Pam, Yes, they did share everything for 10 years up until a month ago when we found out that the other one is positive. That is actually the biggest mystery - the 2 other cats never got infected. The doctor did say that we should test them again every 6 months. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net wrote: Sharon, What about grooming? I would assume that those cats, having lived together for 10 years, would mutually groom. That's sharing bodily fluids I would think would be potentially harmful to the negative ones. Pam On 4/15/2011 1:28 PM, Sharon Catalan wrote: Hello Pam, My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some time now. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Normanpam_nor...@charter.net wrote: I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading reading from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30%
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives
Thanks Maureen. You made it sound so logical, thanks! I will add that my vet told me that Crash's ELISA test was a faint positive. I read that a faint positive means that he does have the virus, but it's not very active in his system. Knowing this, I'm sure hoping that he was not shedding the virus and be contagious to my other cat. Scientists have not determined when they actually shed the virus but it does make sense that once the virus reaches into the bloodstream, I would think they are shedding it. The other thing that puzzles me is that if it was not very active in his system, why was he so lethargic and at death's door? He was a very sick kitten would have died in my house that day if I did not take him in to my vet. Thanks for your input Maureen! It was very helpful :0) Have a great weekend and please pray that my other kitty will be fine. Lynda - Original Message - From: Maureen Olvey molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives Even though this wasn't directed at me I thought I'd give my input (my husband says I do this all the time - LOL). The only way I think this would be possible is if the virus is in transition. Like, it has just gotten into the body and it hasn't had time to do what ever it does to get into the blood stream. The ELISA test and an IFA test would be negative at this point. I'm not sure if the cat can pass it at this point though since it hasn't really gotten into the saliva or bloodstream. Not sure about that but it seems logical to me. Then the virus progresses and gets into the system/bloodstream or saliva and the ELISA test would be positive but the IFA test would be negative. I'm guessing at this point the cat could spread it. After this if the cat can't extinguish the virus or put it into latentcy then it gets into the white blood cells and the IFA test would eventually test positive. The cat could definitely pass it at this point. I did for sure read that if the virus if put into latentcy then it is carried in the bone marrow but not in the white blood cells or bloodstream or saliva so it can't pass the virus to other cats. That's my thoughts but I'm not a vet. I know that if it's in latency they can't spread it which I found very interesting. The cat wouldn't test positive at that point either, even on the IFA test. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:40:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives Sharon, I have read that some cats can be carriers of FeLV and test negative, but can transmit it to other cats. This is a crazy disease that has so many if's that it's confusing. Have you heard of this as well? Lynda - Original Message - From: Sharon Catalan scata...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives negatives Hello Pam, Yes, they did share everything for 10 years up until a month ago when we found out that the other one is positive. That is actually the biggest mystery - the 2 other cats never got infected. The doctor did say that we should test them again every 6 months. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Pam Norman pam_nor...@charter.net wrote: Sharon, What about grooming? I would assume that those cats, having lived together for 10 years, would mutually groom. That's sharing bodily fluids I would think would be potentially harmful to the negative ones. Pam On 4/15/2011 1:28 PM, Sharon Catalan wrote: Hello Pam, My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some time now. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam
