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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Sally Davis

  Ticks are the worst near wooded areas and in the woods. They are in tall
> weeds, and shrubs. We have lots of deer and deer ticks, the smaller ticks
> carry lyme disease. It  even the nymph stage can tramsmit lyme. The deer
> population has exploded here and so have the ticks. Last year the cats would
> get in a nest of then and be covered with the small nymph stage. They would
> engorge and I would have hundreds crawling on my bed. I uses a lint roller
> and duct tape to get them up, but what a pain. They are not as bad this year
> but I started using the  Frontline earlier. Last year I had to rush out and
> get it where I could. I did not get the cheapest price, but I still bought
> the dog size.
>

As for Revolution I was not going to go there but I did not have a problem
with it. I have heard it is safer then the other fles controls, because it
works in a different way. I am not doubting what your vet says. Poison is
poison. Sometimes a cat will lose hair where it is applied and it says that.
I did have this happen with one of my FeLV cats. He was the cat who probably
had Feline infectious anemia which is transmitted by fleas so for him better
to make sure there are no fleas it only takes one flea to infect a cat, and
a feline leukemia postive cat cannot fight off the infection.

I have not used the nematodes but I have been interested in doing so. I do
not have a lawn and fleas tend to live in grassy areas. They just feed on
our pets.

Sally
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread MaiMaiPG

Please know that I got fleas in my home a number of years ago and  
blamed my indoor/outdoor feral cat who was in the process of taking my  
life over.  One night I came in from work in an area that was roach  
infested and saw fleas jumping off of my uniform.  Fleas don't seem to  
bite me so I didn't realize that it wasn't Ebony that was infecting  
our homeit was me.

On Jun 1, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Natalie wrote:

I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health,  
underweight,
pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated  
with

poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other  
than
Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only  
when

it's
The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can  
easily get

into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a  
flea
inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones  
in the

making.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT,  
BEVERLY

Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
me, "If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
infestation in the house." True, dat. My college roommate and I had
three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had  
to

bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
live/reproduce off human blood)

I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of  
them

at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address  
Natalie's

vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage,  
but

never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).



-Original Message-
From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each  
product

and see their specifications.
I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are  
using,

and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being  
exposed

to fleas.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Lynda Wilson

Too bad we don't live close, I would split it with you! Besides, I don't 
think I would have killed you, maybe just threatened too, lol! Yeah, I love 
my baby Sugar!! We are inseparable!


Take Care~
L
- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



Glad you asked too!!!  Hate to be responsible for killing your cats.  You'd 
probably come find me and kill me because I know you love your baby Sugar.


The food grade can sometimes be bought from a local feed store because they 
also give it to cows and horses.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and I have no 
idea how I'll ever use it all up.  Even after spreading it in my yard I've 
got a ton left.  The feed store didn't have any smaller bags though, but it 
doesn't go bad so I'll have plenty to use next year too.



“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain





Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:21:35 -0500
From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!!

- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth.  It's safe as long 
as

you get the food grade.  The kind you put in your swimming pool is very
toxic.  The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think.  You can probably
google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get 
lots

of info about the food grade.  The kind you put in your pool has been
somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic.

Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like 
you

would a supplement.  Even some people said they put it in their pet's food
because it acts as a dewormer.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
Twain



> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
>
> Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what
> we
> have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the
> way?
> My apologies if I did.
>
> Thanks,
> Lynda
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 

> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
>
>
>
> Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
> little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
> makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
> don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
> supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
> Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
>  that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
>  where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
> the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
> white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
> looks like a cocaine plant exploded.
>
> How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would 
> be

> good enough.
>
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
> are

> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to 
> me

> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
> Twain
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
> > From: at...@optonline.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> >
> > Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a
> > few
> > years ago.
> > Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the
> > house
> > and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way 
> > that

> > I
> > could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.
> > That's
> > why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house,
> > around
> > the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
> > degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not 
> > just
> > before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced 
> > if

> > it
> > happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's 
> > Frontline -
> > which my vet re

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Lynda Wilson

Yuck is right, but it's a good thought!! Bed bugs are bad, so I hear. I 
don't want to experience them either!
- Original Message - 
From: "Natalie" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

The danger with diatomaceous earth is that each teeny flake, like a
microscopic snowflake, has extremely sharp edges - if inhaled, can cause
very serious lung irritation, whether it's food or garden/pool grade!
ALL varieties work on getting rid of fleas, whereas ONLY the food grade 
can

be used as wormer or supplement.
I can tell you that it really works - it destroys the flea's waxy coating,
exposing it to dehydration, leading to death!
Sounds horrible, but I don't mind killing fleas and ticks, well, maybe
bedbugs, too!  I wonder if anyone ever checked if DE kills bedbugs, too;
they seem to have a crunchy body- yuck!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Glad you asked too!!!  Hate to be responsible for killing your cats. 
You'd

probably come find me and kill me because I know you love your baby Sugar.

The food grade can sometimes be bought from a local feed store because 
they
also give it to cows and horses.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and I have 
no

idea how I'll ever use it all up.  Even after spreading it in my yard I've
got a ton left.  The feed store didn't have any smaller bags though, but 
it

doesn't go bad so I'll have plenty to use next year too.

"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain

Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:21:35 -0500
From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!!

- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth.  It's safe as long

as

you get the food grade.  The kind you put in your swimming pool is very
toxic.  The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think.  You can probably
google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get

lots

of info about the food grade.  The kind you put in your pool has been
somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic.

Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like

you
would a supplement.  Even some people said they put it in their pet's 
food

because it acts as a dewormer.

"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that 
are

profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain

> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
>
> Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as 
> what

> we
> have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the
> way?
> My apologies if I did.
>
> Thanks,
> Lynda
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 

> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
>
>
>
> Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
> little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
> makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
> don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
> supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
> Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I 
> spread
>  that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the 
> shade

>  where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
> the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
> white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
> looks like a cocaine plant exploded.
>
> How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would

be

> good enough.
>
> "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that

are
> profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts 
> upon

> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to

me

> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
> Twain
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
> > From: at...@optonline.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet A

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie

The danger with diatomaceous earth is that each teeny flake, like a
microscopic snowflake, has extremely sharp edges - if inhaled, can cause
very serious lung irritation, whether it's food or garden/pool grade!  
ALL varieties work on getting rid of fleas, whereas ONLY the food grade can
be used as wormer or supplement.
I can tell you that it really works - it destroys the flea's waxy coating,
exposing it to dehydration, leading to death!
Sounds horrible, but I don't mind killing fleas and ticks, well, maybe
bedbugs, too!  I wonder if anyone ever checked if DE kills bedbugs, too;
they seem to have a crunchy body- yuck!  

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 3:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Glad you asked too!!!  Hate to be responsible for killing your cats.  You'd
probably come find me and kill me because I know you love your baby Sugar.

The food grade can sometimes be bought from a local feed store because they
also give it to cows and horses.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and I have no
idea how I'll ever use it all up.  Even after spreading it in my yard I've
got a ton left.  The feed store didn't have any smaller bags though, but it
doesn't go bad so I'll have plenty to use next year too.


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain



> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:21:35 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> 
> 
> It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth.  It's safe as long
as 
> you get the food grade.  The kind you put in your swimming pool is very 
> toxic.  The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think.  You can probably 
> google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get
lots 
> of info about the food grade.  The kind you put in your pool has been 
> somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic.
> 
> Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like
you 
> would a supplement.  Even some people said they put it in their pet's food

> because it acts as a dewormer.
> 
> "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are

> profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark 
> Twain
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500
> > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> >
> > Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what

> > we
> > have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the 
> > way?
> > My apologies if I did.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lynda
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> >
> >
> >
> > Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
> > little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
> > makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
> > don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
> > supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
> > Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
> >  that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
> >  where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
> > the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
> > white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
> > looks like a cocaine plant exploded.
> >
> > How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would
be
> > good enough.
> >
> > "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that
are
> > profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
> > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to
me
> > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
> > Twain
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
> > > From: at...@optonline.net
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > >
> > > Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a

> > > few
> > >

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Maureen Olvey


Glad you asked too!!!  Hate to be responsible for killing your cats.  You'd 
probably come find me and kill me because I know you love your baby Sugar.

The food grade can sometimes be bought from a local feed store because they 
also give it to cows and horses.  I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and I have no 
idea how I'll ever use it all up.  Even after spreading it in my yard I've got 
a ton left.  The feed store didn't have any smaller bags though, but it doesn't 
go bad so I'll have plenty to use next year too.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 14:21:35 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!!
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> 
> 
> It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth.  It's safe as long as 
> you get the food grade.  The kind you put in your swimming pool is very 
> toxic.  The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think.  You can probably 
> google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get lots 
> of info about the food grade.  The kind you put in your pool has been 
> somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic.
> 
> Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like you 
> would a supplement.  Even some people said they put it in their pet's food 
> because it acts as a dewormer.
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
> Twain
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500
> > From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> >
> > Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what 
> > we
> > have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the 
> > way?
> > My apologies if I did.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Lynda
> > - Original Message - 
> > From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> >
> >
> >
> > Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
> > little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
> > makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
> > don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
> > supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
> > Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
> >  that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
> >  where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
> > the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
> > white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
> > looks like a cocaine plant exploded.
> >
> > How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be
> > good enough.
> >
> > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
> > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
> > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
> > Twain
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
> > > From: at...@optonline.net
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > >
> > > Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a 
> > > few
> > > years ago.
> > > Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the 
> > > house
> > > and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that 
> > > I
> > > could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. 
> > > That's
> > > why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house,
> > > around
> > > the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
> > > degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
> > > before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if 
> > > it
> > > happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
> > > which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
> > > looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
> > > sent yesterday to the

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Lynda Wilson

ok, thanksso glad I asked! Whew!!

- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth.  It's safe as long as 
you get the food grade.  The kind you put in your swimming pool is very 
toxic.  The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think.  You can probably 
google it but I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get lots 
of info about the food grade.  The kind you put in your pool has been 
somewhat altered which is what makes it toxic.

Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like you 
would a supplement.  Even some people said they put it in their pet's food 
because it acts as a dewormer.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain

Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500
From: longhornf...@verizon.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what 
we
have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the 
way?

My apologies if I did.

Thanks,
Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
 that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
 where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
looks like a cocaine plant exploded.

How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be
good enough.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
Twain

> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
>
> Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a 
> few

> years ago.
> Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the 
> house
> and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that 
> I
> could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive. 
> That's

> why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house,
> around
> the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
> degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
> before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if 
> it

> happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
> which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
> looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
> sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
> effective.
> Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
> neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you 
> can

> still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
> The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, 
> especially
> those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their 
> immune

> systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.
>

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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie

Yes, it probably is.  But the one used for worming, according to Dr.
Pitcairn, is food grade.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 2:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we 
have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way?

My apologies if I did.

Thanks,
Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
 that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
 where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
looks like a cocaine plant exploded.

How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be 
good enough.

"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark 
Twain



> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
>
> Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few
> years ago.
> Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house
> and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I
> could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.  That's
> why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, 
> around
> the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
> degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
> before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it
> happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
> which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
> looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
> sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
> effective.
> Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
> neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can
> still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
> The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially
> those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune
> systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.
>


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Maureen Olvey


It's the food grade version of the diatomaceous earth.  It's safe as long as 
you get the food grade.  The kind you put in your swimming pool is very toxic.  
The brand name I got was Perma-Guard I think.  You can probably google it but 
I'm sure if you google just diatomaceous earth you'll get lots of info about 
the food grade.  The kind you put in your pool has been somewhat altered which 
is what makes it toxic.

Lots of people actually take a small amount of the food grade daily like you 
would a supplement.  Even some people said they put it in their pet's food 
because it acts as a dewormer.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 13:43:02 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we 
> have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way? 
> My apologies if I did.
> 
> Thanks,
> Lynda
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> 
> 
> Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
> little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
> makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
> don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
> supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
> Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
>  that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
>  where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
> the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
> white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
> looks like a cocaine plant exploded.
> 
> How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be 
> good enough.
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
> Twain
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
> > From: at...@optonline.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> >
> > Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few
> > years ago.
> > Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house
> > and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I
> > could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.  That's
> > why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, 
> > around
> > the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
> > degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
> > before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it
> > happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
> > which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
> > looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
> > sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
> > effective.
> > Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
> > neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can
> > still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
> > The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially
> > those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune
> > systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.
> >
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie

My husband actually sprays a few times in the summer and fall - just to make
sure. He sprays it under the deck where the cat enclosure is on top of the
deck.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my 
little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it 
makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I 
don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and 
supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.  
Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
 that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
 where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail, 
the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this 
white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it 
looks like a cocaine plant exploded.

How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be
good enough.

"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain



> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few
> years ago.
> Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house
> and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I
> could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.  That's
> why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house,
around
> the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
> degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
> before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it
> happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
> which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
> looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
> sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
> effective.
> Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
> neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can
> still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
> The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially
> those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune
> systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie

Yes, and his vet friends, too!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 12:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor


Why is it that your vet hates Revolution?  Has he had a lot of cats with bad
reactions to it?

"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain



> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:48:04 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk]  Pet Armor
> 
> Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done.  Don't read the previous one,
> it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something.
> This is it:
> I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health,
underweight,
> pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
> poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
> Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
> Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when
> it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks
> clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those
> products.
> The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
get
> into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
> though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
> inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
> making.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM
> To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
> Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health,
underweight,
> pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
> poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
> Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
> Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when
> it's  
> The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
get
> into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
> though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
> inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
> making.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
> me, "If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
> infestation in the house." True, dat. My college roommate and I had
> three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
> bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
> live/reproduce off human blood)
> 
> I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
> at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
> That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
> vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
> numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
> never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
> seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product
> and see their specifications.
> I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using,
> and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
> works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
> outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed
> to fleas.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Lynda Wilson

Is the diatomaceous earth product you are talking about the same as what we 
have to put in our pool? Just wondering. Did I miss something along the way? 
My apologies if I did.


Thanks,
Lynda
- Original Message - 
From: "Maureen Olvey" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor



Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my
little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it
makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I
don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and
supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.
Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail,
the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this
white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it
looks like a cocaine plant exploded.

How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be 
good enough.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark 
Twain





Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
From: at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few
years ago.
Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house
and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I
could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.  That's
why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, 
around

the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it
happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
effective.
Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can
still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially
those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune
systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.




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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Maureen Olvey


Glad to hear of someone that has used the nematodes.  I just sprayed my 
little creatures out a week and a half ago so I really really hope it 
makes a difference for the fleas.  I don't want to use chemicals if I 
don't have to.  I know the nematodes can only survive in shade and 
supposedly fleas like the shade and don't hang out in the sun either.  
Have you heard that?  But, just in case my fleas are sun lovers I spread
 that diatomaceous earth all over my yard yesterday, except in the shade
 where I had sprayed the nematodes.  Like I said in that other e-mail, 
the DE looks like flour.  So now my whole yard is covered with this 
white powder and it looks like a bakery blew up.  Either that or it 
looks like a cocaine plant exploded.

How often do you guys spray the nematodes?  I heard twice a year would be good 
enough.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:13:59 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few
> years ago.
> Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house
> and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I
> could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.  That's
> why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around
> the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
> degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
> before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it
> happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
> which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
> looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
> sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
> effective.
> Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
> neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can
> still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
> The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially
> those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune
> systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Maureen Olvey


Why is it that your vet hates Revolution?  Has he had a lot of cats with bad 
reactions to it?

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain



> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 11:48:04 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk]  Pet Armor
> 
> Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done.  Don't read the previous one,
> it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something.
> This is it:
> I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
> pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
> poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
> Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
> Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when
> it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks
> clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those
> products.
> The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get
> into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
> though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
> inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
> making.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM
> To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
> Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
> pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
> poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
> Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
> Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when
> it's  
> The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get
> into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
> though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
> inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
> making.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
> me, "If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
> infestation in the house." True, dat. My college roommate and I had
> three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
> bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
> live/reproduce off human blood)
> 
> I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
> at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
> That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
> vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
> numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
> never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
> seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product
> and see their specifications.
> I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using,
> and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
> works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
> outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed
> to fleas.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Katy Doyle

Amen to flea collars!

I've used Revolution on my FeLV+ cat, Buddy, since he was 5 weeks old and
never had an incident. I am totally with you on minimizing chemicals that I
put on myself and my animals. (I made my own bug spray out of olive oil and
eucalyptus oil. Not 100% effective, but better than nothing.)

This isn't approved for cats but I've switched my dog, Abbott, over to these
garlic tablets for fleas and ticks,
http://www.springtimeinc.com/product/bug_off_garlic_chewables/dogs I only
just started it at the beginning of the year, but I haven't seen any fleas
or ticks on him yet! I had to take Abbott off of Revolution because he got
whip worm, so now he's on Interceptor for anti-worms. I can't use Front Line
on any of my animals because I have a close friend that has food
poisoning-like reations when she comes in contact with animals that have it
on them. She is a rare case and she loves my animals, so I am trying
alternatives :-) And the Bug Off Garlic seems to be doing the trick!

You can also use the Bug Off Garlic on yourself (I'm considering trying it),
you just follow the weight chart. I also hear that garlic and brewer's yeast
works very well.

I wonder if it is safe to use on cats... If it is, you can mix the garlic
and brewer's yeast power in with their food, this way you don't have to
catch them to administer it...

Ideas, ideas!
On Wed, Jun 1, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Natalie  wrote:

> Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done.  Don't read the previous one,
> it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something.
> This is it:
> I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
> pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
> poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
> Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
> Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when
> it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks
> clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those
> products.
> The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
> get
> into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
> though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
> inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
> making.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM
> To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
>  Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
>
> I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
> pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
> poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
> Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
> Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when
> it's
> The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily
> get
> into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
> though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
> inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
> making.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
> Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
>
> Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
> me, "If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
> infestation in the house." True, dat. My college roommate and I had
> three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
> bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
> live/reproduce off human blood)
>
> I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
> at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
> That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
> vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
> numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
> never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
> seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
>
> I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product
> and see their specifications.
> I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using,
> and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
> works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
> outsi

[Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie

Sorry - my cat sent this before it was done.  Don't read the previous one,
it doesn't make sense - I was inserting something.
This is it:
I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn't use them indiscriminately, only when
it's perfectly safe, cats are in good shape, and he observes them and asks
clients to do so and report ANY change in the cat after the use of those
products.
The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get
into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
making.

-Original Message-
From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:45 AM
To: 'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'
Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when
it's  
The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get
into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
making.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
me, "If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
infestation in the house." True, dat. My college roommate and I had
three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
live/reproduce off human blood)

I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).



-Original Message-
From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product
and see their specifications.
I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using,
and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed
to fleas.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie

I think that the problem is that when cats are in poor health, underweight,
pregnant, after surgerythey should NOT be vaccinated or treated with
poisons like flea stuff, ever.  My vet really has a strong dislike of
Revolution; he's never had any incidents with other products, other than
Zodiak.  But then, again, he doesn'y use them indiscriminately, only when
it's  
The reason we use the stuff around the house is because fleas can easily get
into the garage, and our dog goes out and could bring them inside even
though she is treated with frontline.  However, one can also bring a flea
inside on one's clothes - VOILA, the beginning of many little ones in the
making.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:09 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
me, "If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
infestation in the house." True, dat. My college roommate and I had
three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
live/reproduce off human blood)

I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).



-Original Message-
From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product
and see their specifications.
I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using,
and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed
to fleas.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie

Zodiak flea and tick products were the real killers of cats and dogs a few
years ago.
Because I am a rescuer and we are housing so many cats all over the house
and garage, feral, semi-feral, and friendly cats - there is NO way that I
could treat each one individually - the cost would be prohibitive.  That's
why my husband uses the friendly nematodes to spray around the house, around
the cat enclosures - it's worked so far.  Rain does affect it to some
degree, but we try to space the spraying right after a rain and not just
before. If I do use any product, it's when a cat is first introduced if it
happens to be flea-ridden, and before a cat is adopted, it's Frontline -
which my vet recommends if one must use something.  That's why I am also
looking for alternatives to frontline, such as the cedar products that I
sent yesterday to the group.  I've heard from others that they are
effective.
Flea collars are absolutely useless; they're poisons directly on a cat's
neck all the time, many cats develop baldness and irritation, and you can
still find fleas even under those collars - so what good is it?
The fewer toxins we can use, the better it is for cats' health, especially
those that aren't well, why bombard them with more stuff that their immune
systems can't deal with and need to fight their own illnesses.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Edna Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 10:21 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

Just to throw this out there but my vet is adamantly opposed to using dog
flea meds on cats, ESPECIALLY Advantix (which can and has caused even dog
deaths).  She said that on the surface, the meds look the same but the
percentages of toxins is very different between dog and cat formulas.
Unfortunately, I know that many rescues have very limited budgets (me too)
so I am in no way trying to say that people are wrong for doing this, just
saying I would be very careful.

> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:57:46 -0700
> From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> I've compared the dog & cat ingredients on the basic Advantage & it is the
same. You have to know the dose & be very careful because some of the dog
Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She
doesn't recommend it.
> 
> Beth
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org  
> 
> --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie  wrote:
> 
> From: Natalie 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM
> 
> Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs?  I have never heard of
> splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their
> amounts?
> 
> My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there
have
> been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one
> time!
> Too bad, it's a Pfizer product!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new.
It's
> not "cheap", but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
> have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.
> 
> I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
> FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
> same stuff.
> 
> I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
> about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.
> 
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth  wrote:
> 
> > I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on
> my
> > cats.
> >
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

> >
> > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG  wrote:
> >
> > From: MaiMaiPG 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM
> >
> > Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
> > On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:
> >
> > > I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
> > day yesterday cleaning & combing cats to get rid of fleas & they just
had
> > Advantage 2 weeks ago!
> > > Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
> > still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself
raw
> > because the fleas were still crawling.
> > > Beth
> > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!
www.Furkids.org
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie  wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Lorrie 
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > > To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
> > > Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia

Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread POTT, BEVERLY

Even if you have indoor-only cats, they can get fleas. A vet once told
me, "If a squirrel runs through your yard, you can have a flea
infestation in the house." True, dat. My college roommate and I had
three indoor cats, and one summer they all became so infested we had to
bomb the house... Twice. (Interesting side-note: a flea can't
live/reproduce off human blood)

I have 12 cats and use Revolution on them. I don't put it on all of them
at once- I stagger it and put it on two this week, two next week, etc.
That seems to keep the fleas at bay. I'd also like to address Natalie's
vet- I used to work for a vet (and at an animal shelter) and have seen
numerous cats go into seizures and die from Frontline and Advantage, but
never Revolution. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen, I've just never
seen or heard of it (and I know a lot of Crazy Cat People! haha).



-Original Message-
From: Natalie [mailto:at...@optonline.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I'm not quite sure what Advantage does - you could look up each product
and see their specifications.
I just sent some suggestions to group; some we have used and are using,
and some that I am considering, although what we have right now really
works well on all the cats and the doggie.  Although our cats don't go
outside, they use the outdoor enclosures, thereby possible being exposed
to fleas.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Beth

No, you should never use Advantix on a cat. If you use dog Advantage on a cat 
make sure you use the regular "plain" formula.

Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Wed, 6/1/11, Edna Taylor  wrote:

From: Edna Taylor 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 10:21 AM


Just to throw this out there but my vet is adamantly opposed to using dog flea 
meds on cats, ESPECIALLY Advantix (which can and has caused even dog deaths).  
She said that on the surface, the meds look the same but the percentages of 
toxins is very different between dog and cat formulas.  Unfortunately, I know 
that many rescues have very limited budgets (me too) so I am in no way trying 
to say that people are wrong for doing this, just saying I would be very 
careful.
 
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:57:46 -0700
> From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> I've compared the dog & cat ingredients on the basic Advantage & it is the 
> same. You have to know the dose & be very careful because some of the dog 
> Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She 
> doesn't recommend it.
> 
> Beth
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org  
> 
> --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie  wrote:
> 
> From: Natalie 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM
> 
> Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs?  I have never heard of
> splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their
> amounts?
> 
> My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have
> been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one
> time!
> Too bad, it's a Pfizer product!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's
> not "cheap", but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
> have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.
> 
> I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
> FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
> same stuff.
> 
> I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
> about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.
> 
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth  wrote:
> 
> > I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on
> my
> > cats.
> >
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
> >
> > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG  wrote:
> >
> > From: MaiMaiPG 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM
> >
> > Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
> > On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:
> >
> > > I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
> > day yesterday cleaning & combing cats to get rid of fleas & they just had
> > Advantage 2 weeks ago!
> > > Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
> > still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw
> > because the fleas were still crawling.
> > > Beth
> > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie  wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Lorrie 
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > > To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
> > > Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >    Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
> > >    thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
> > >    site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
> > >    I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
> > >    have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
> > >    know.
> > >
> > >    Lorrie
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Edna Taylor


Just to throw this out there but my vet is adamantly opposed to using dog flea 
meds on cats, ESPECIALLY Advantix (which can and has caused even dog deaths).  
She said that on the surface, the meds look the same but the percentages of 
toxins is very different between dog and cat formulas.  Unfortunately, I know 
that many rescues have very limited budgets (me too) so I am in no way trying 
to say that people are wrong for doing this, just saying I would be very 
careful.
 
> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 05:57:46 -0700
> From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> I've compared the dog & cat ingredients on the basic Advantage & it is the 
> same. You have to know the dose & be very careful because some of the dog 
> Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She 
> doesn't recommend it.
> 
> Beth
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org  
> 
> --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie  wrote:
> 
> From: Natalie 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM
> 
> Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs?  I have never heard of
> splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their
> amounts?
> 
> My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have
> been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one
> time!
> Too bad, it's a Pfizer product!
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> 
> I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's
> not "cheap", but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
> have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.
> 
> I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
> FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
> same stuff.
> 
> I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
> about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.
> 
> On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth  wrote:
> 
> > I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on
> my
> > cats.
> >
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
> >
> > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG  wrote:
> >
> > From: MaiMaiPG 
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM
> >
> > Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
> > On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:
> >
> > > I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
> > day yesterday cleaning & combing cats to get rid of fleas & they just had
> > Advantage 2 weeks ago!
> > > Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
> > still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw
> > because the fleas were still crawling.
> > > Beth
> > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie  wrote:
> > >
> > > From: Lorrie 
> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > > To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
> > > Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
> > >thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
> > >site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
> > >I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
> > >have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
> > >know.
> > >
> > >Lorrie
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Natalie

Revolution - http://www.1800petmeds.com/Revolution-prod10265.html - it's
also against, heartworm, earmites - but they don't mention ticks! In rescued
cats, especially those who may have immunodeficiency, it's NOT a good idea
to use this product at all!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I've compared the dog & cat ingredients on the basic Advantage & it is the
same. You have to know the dose & be very careful because some of the dog
Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She
doesn't recommend it.

Beth
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--- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie  wrote:

From: Natalie 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM

Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs?  I have never heard of
splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their
amounts?

My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have
been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one
time!
Too bad, it's a Pfizer product!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's
not "cheap", but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.

I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
same stuff.

I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth  wrote:

> I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on
my
> cats.
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
>
> --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG  wrote:
>
> From: MaiMaiPG 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM
>
> Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
> On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:
>
> > I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
> day yesterday cleaning & combing cats to get rid of fleas & they just had
> Advantage 2 weeks ago!
> > Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
> still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw
> because the fleas were still crawling.
> > Beth
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >
> > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie  wrote:
> >
> > From: Lorrie 
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
> >
> >
> >    Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
> >    thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
> >    site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
> >    I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
> >    have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
> >    know.
> >
> >    Lorrie
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

2011-06-01 Thread Beth

I've compared the dog & cat ingredients on the basic Advantage & it is the 
same. You have to know the dose & be very careful because some of the dog 
Advantage is toxic to cats. My vet said the same thing about Revolution. She 
doesn't recommend it.

Beth
Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Tue, 5/31/11, Natalie  wrote:

From: Natalie 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 5:52 PM

Are you sure it's the same stuff for cats and dogs?  I have never heard of
splitting it - could be bad! Have you compared the ingredients and their
amounts?

My vet refuses to do revolution - he says it's dangerous because there have
been many incidents of cats convulsing - too many things in it all at one
time!
Too bad, it's a Pfizer product!

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Katy Doyle
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 4:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor

I've always had great luck with Revolution, if you need something new. It's
not "cheap", but I think it is worth the price (about $15 per cat). I only
have two cats, so it isn't bad for me.

I have a friend with multiple cats and she gets a dog sized dose of
FrontLine and splits it weight-wise between the cats, apparently it's the
same stuff.

I've also heard very good things about diatomaceous earth. I'm actually
about to use it on my yard because of the chiggers and mosquitos.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Beth  wrote:

> I wouldn't put Sevin Dust on my plants. There's no way I would put it on
my
> cats.
>
> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org 
>
> --- On Tue, 5/31/11, MaiMaiPG  wrote:
>
> From: MaiMaiPG 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 1:29 PM
>
> Rural wisdom is Sevin powder in the cat bedding and around the house.
> On May 31, 2011, at 12:10 PM, Beth wrote:
>
> > I need something new. Advantage just isn't working any more. Spent all
> day yesterday cleaning & combing cats to get rid of fleas & they just had
> Advantage 2 weeks ago!
> > Frontline used to not kill the fleas, just make them sterile, is this
> still the case? I couldn't use it because my one cat scratched himself raw
> because the fleas were still crawling.
> > Beth
> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> >
> > --- On Tue, 5/31/11, Lorrie  wrote:
> >
> > From: Lorrie 
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor
> > To: feralfriendsonl...@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 8:19 AM
> >
> >
> >    Have any of you used Pet Armor? It is supposed to be the exact same
> >    thing as Frontline Plus - Fipronil and S Methoprene - The Pet Armor
> >    site claims it is a generic for Frontline, and it is much cheaper.
> >    I'm seeing it advertised in all sorts of places now, so if any of you
> >    have used it and find that it works and is not harmful, please let me
> >    know.
> >
> >    Lorrie
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth

2011-06-01 Thread molveywda

Yeah, Revolution for dogs uses the same insecticide as Revolution for cats.  
The only thing is that you have to do the math carefully because the 
insecticide is more concentrated in the dog formulation.  For example, one ml 
of the dog Revolution has more of the insecticide than one ml of the cat 
formulation.  So even though the amount of liquid is the same, the formulations 
are different.  There are more milligrams of the chemical per ml for the dog 
stuff than the cat.

It can all be rather confusing so you definitely have to do your research 
before taking chances with flea meds since some are toxic.  Like Biospot for 
instance.  It's fine for dogs I think but even the cat version has one of the 
same insecticides as the dog formulation and that particular chemical is toxic 
to cats.  It's pyrethrins (sp?).  I don't know why they won't change the 
formulation for cats so it's safe.  So in that case both formulations, dog and 
cat, are toxic to cats.  It's crazy

I've got a cat that occasionally gets a bald spot from the Revolution too.  Not 
every time I give it to him but sometimes so I started giving him Frontline.

sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC

- Reply message -
From: "Beth Noren" 
Date: Wed, Jun 1, 2011 1:21 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
To: 

Many dog products are extremely dangerous for cats, but at least the
last time that I ordered, Revolution used the same formula for both
dogs and cats.  I have used the large dog tube many times on my cats.
Like Lynda, I have a couple of cats that lose their fur at the
application site, so I usually don't give it to them.  The Revolution
website claims that hair loss is due to the cat over grooming the
area, which is baloney, IMHO, as I place it in a pretty difficult to
reach spot on the neck, and I have never seen them or any other cat
licking those spots.  It looks more like a crusted over burn to me.

Beth N.

On Tue, May 31, 2011 at 11:47 PM, Lynda Wilson  wrote:
> The Revolution that I have is 15mg for puppies or kittens 5 lbs or less. It
> works quick and is effective. However, one of my cats loses his fur at the
> site of application so I have discontinued it. It did work well enough that
> he nor the house has fleas.
>
> Lynda
> - Original Message - From: "Cindy McHugh" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
>
>
> I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs
> on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching
> an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a
> cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So
> *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first
> about adjusting the dosage.
>
> Cindy & Angel Jackpot

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