Re: [Felvtalk] Cigarette Smoke, etc
Yup, flimzy screens and screaming brats are not good for cats either. It's hard to find a perfect home, and I guess all of you believe, as I do, that no one can take care of cats as well as we can :-) This is probably why most of us have so many cats. Lorrie Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: I would adopt to a smoker before I adopted to someone with flimsy window screens. I would adopt to an adult smoker before I adopted to a non-smoker with small children. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cigarette Smoke
I wouldn't wish a smoker on any cat. Imagine being stuck inside with a chain smoker... YUK. Second hand smoke is as dangerous as actually being a smoker, and this goes for humans or pets. My mother smoked liked a chimney and she totally turned me off on ever trying cigarettes. This was the only good thing about enduring smoke from birth to age 20 when I finally left home. Lorrie On 09-21, Natalie wrote: Iwould too, if they aren't chain smokers and smoke outsidehowever, I've known too many cats with lymphoma from homes of smokers...fact! And those cats were not FeLV+! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke
Thanks to everyone for their input on the smoking applicant! It's been a difficult decision, but I've decided not to decline the applicant based solely on the fact that he smokes, so we're going to proceed. Of course, all other standard procedures will apply (reference check, home visit, etc). I appreciate the fact that the person is honest. He's applying through his sister and she made it a point to inform me of the smoking situation and voiced concerns regarding whether it would be a risk for Tumble due to his FeLV+ status. I hadn't had any experience with smoking specific to FeLV+ cats, so I thought I'd post here for input. Based on personal experience, most people who have contacted me feel the risk would be minimal. While I also value the thoughts of those who advised against the adoption and I'd prefer a non-smoking environment, I have to weigh that against the alternatives. Tumble is currently living in a basement (a daylight basement with windows, but still, with limited human interaction). The applicant is homebound due to health problems and is looking for a 24/7 companion. He wants to adopt both Tumble and his companion Cody; I'd love for these boys to stay together, as they came to me together and are best buddies. The thought of them being beloved companions warms my heart. So... it may not be perfect, but if they'll have good vet care and a loving home, I think I'll go ahead with the adoption. Doing so will also free up some space and allow me to help others that would otherwise be euthanized. Please send good thoughts that everything works out for what's best for the boys. Thank you all again! Cindy, Tumble, and Cody - Original Message - From: Tad Burnett To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke What are your options... Not everybody finds that people willing to adopt FeLV+ kitties are available... A smoker may not be the best choice but I would except a smoker before PTS Tad On 9/21/2011 9:01 PM, ter...@tazzys.org wrote: Hi all, Well here is my 2 cents worth! I'm a smoker have been for 40 years. I do not smoke directly in front of my cats/kittens. My personal kitties have never gotten sick or develop cancers from smoke this includes my FELV kitties. I've been adopting cats/kittens for over 30 years to both non-smokers and smokers. I have to say my smokers take better care of their kitties than non-smokers that have small children. As I've been to their homes and seen how clean they were. I've have repeat adopters as their kitties didn't die to cancers. Actually, lived fairly long lives. The kitties had the best in medical as well. So I do not discriminate adopters that smoke. I agree with Susan Hoffman on her posting. My suggestion is if you don't want to adopt to people that smoke. Be up front with them about it. Also, if your a rescue/shelter put it in your rules and guidelines on your applications that you don't adopt your kitties to smokers. This way the adopter doesn't feel bad or have their heart set on the kitty. Regardless whether the kitty is Negative, FELV, FIV, or both. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke From: Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org Date: Wed, September 21, 2011 9:02 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi, We have someone interested in adopting our FeLV+ boy and it sounds like a great home, but the gentleman smokes. Does anyone know if this would be a considerable risk for a FeLV cat? I know smoke isn't good for humans or cats, but I'm wondering if the FeLV would complicate matters. Other than that, it sounds like a great home. He'd be a companion to a homebound gentleman who's looking for company. Thanks for your time and input. Cindy -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Cigarette Smoke, etc
I have to say that I really don't believe that at all. Quite the opposite. I think the cats are far better off if I can get them a good committed home. Not a perfect home, just one where the person/people are truly committed to the cat. My home is far from perfect and I worry about my ability to pay for all the vet care over the years as my population ages. Dental is a huge expense. And it's difficult to make sure everyone gets attention, to be aware of their emotional well being. Much better if I place them in good adoptive homes. They'll get more individualized attention and better care over the years that way. --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cigarette Smoke, etc To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 4:32 AM Yup, flimzy screens and screaming brats are not good for cats either. It's hard to find a perfect home, and I guess all of you believe, as I do, that no one can take care of cats as well as we can :-) This is probably why most of us have so many cats. Lorrie Susan Hoffman susan_hoff...@yahoo.com wrote: I would adopt to a smoker before I adopted to someone with flimsy window screens. I would adopt to an adult smoker before I adopted to a non-smoker with small children. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FeLV fast advancing strain?
I knew this list was someplace but couldn't find it..now I've. I live in Nebraska and do cat rescue and TNR..the first time I came accross the disease was last Fall when a feral that I had relocated to my backyard became seriouly ill and tested FeLV+. She was euthanized two weeks later because had gone blind and was in terrible pain(uveitis etc) Then not yet a month ago I brought back a cat that a friend had taken from an abusive home a year ago at which time he had a broken leg but otherwise was very well..or seemed to. She couldn't care for her cats anymore so I brought Tiger to my house, he is FeLV+ and a shadow of what he was a year ago, looks like he's on the end stage, very emaciated, skin issues, difficulty swallowing sometimes, diahrrea, sores around eyes. He is a happy cat though, eats like a horse, wants to play but between his bad leg and anemia sometimes he falls down. There were other FeLV+ cats in the house and some died shortly after the original owners took them back. My question; is there an strain that can kill a cat in a year or so? They were all snap tested only, except one that had a PCR and it came back positive, some tested negative but looked sick so they'll retest. I don't want to rush anything for Tiger unless he's in pain and he doesn't seem to be, should I PCR him? He has an URI and had coccidia so was medicated for it, had fleas but I can't find anymore fleas or flea dirt. I'm not spraying or putting topicals on him b/c of his sores and little scabs all over that sometimes bleed. I'd appreciate any comments..thank-you and happy to be on the list Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV fast advancing strain?
Hi, Marta, My two cents is that, just because the kitty is tested positive for Felk, you may not want to assume that it is the felk virus that is going the symptoms. As you know, Felk kittens have weakened immue system, so they are very susceptive to different type of illness, infections, cancers... etc... Have they run for chemistry panel on him? Does he have regenerative or non regenerative anemia? any parasites? I have a few felk kitens myself - one of the kittens developed uevitis, and another kittehn started having a diffuclty breathing,, I thought uevitis was from felk virus, and diffculty breathing was from medistinal lymphma (fluid build up in the chest caviity) as it's very common among young felk kittens --but in stead, I found out that what they have if FIP - I am very much devastated... right now, clinically they are doing well - they are on LTCI, alpah interferon right now.. and I am taking one day at atime.. I hope your kitty gets better. Hideyo Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:22:09 -0700 From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV fast advancing strain? I knew this list was someplace but couldn't find it..now I've. I live in Nebraska and do cat rescue and TNR..the first time I came accross the disease was last Fall when a feral that I had relocated to my backyard became seriouly ill and tested FeLV+. She was euthanized two weeks later because had gone blind and was in terrible pain(uveitis etc) Then not yet a month ago I brought back a cat that a friend had taken from an abusive home a year ago at which time he had a broken leg but otherwise was very well..or seemed to. She couldn't care for her cats anymore so I brought Tiger to my house, he is FeLV+ and a shadow of what he was a year ago, looks like he's on the end stage, very emaciated, skin issues, difficulty swallowing sometimes, diahrrea, sores around eyes. He is a happy cat though, eats like a horse, wants to play but between his bad leg and anemia sometimes he falls down. There were other FeLV+ cats in the house and some died shortly after the original owners took them back. My question; is there an strain that can kill a cat in a year or so? They were all snap tested only, except one that had a PCR and it came back positive, some tested negative but looked sick so they'll retest. I don't want to rush anything for Tiger unless he's in pain and he doesn't seem to be, should I PCR him? He has an URI and had coccidia so was medicated for it, had fleas but I can't find anymore fleas or flea dirt. I'm not spraying or putting topicals on him b/c of his sores and little scabs all over that sometimes bleed. I'd appreciate any comments..thank-you and happy to be on the list Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Miller
Well, after trying one round of chemo last week Miller seemed to have a bit more pep in his step and was eating like a champ but then on Tuesday, he didn't want to eat so I force fed him and yesterday morning we took him in, vet gave him subQ fluids and vitamins. I had an uneasy feeling all day and when I got home I immediately went to where I knew he would be, behind the entertainment center. He wouldn't move, he would not lift his head and when I picked him up, he just hung limp in my arms. I knew then that it was time to let him go. Fortunately, Dr. McCann was still at the office and she helped him cross over. We may still have a house full of furbabies but his leaving has left a hole in our hearts. I shall see beauty but none to match your living grace, I shall hear music but none as sweet as the song with which you loved me, I shall fill my days but I shall not, cannot forget. Sleep soft, dear Miller. . . 1999-2011 Edna, Frank and the Nuisance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miller
So sorry you lost Miller. At least you gave him the chance to fight! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 23, 2011, at 6:12 AM, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: Well, after trying one round of chemo last week Miller seemed to have a bit more pep in his step and was eating like a champ but then on Tuesday, he didn't want to eat so I force fed him and yesterday morning we took him in, vet gave him subQ fluids and vitamins. I had an uneasy feeling all day and when I got home I immediately went to where I knew he would be, behind the entertainment center. He wouldn't move, he would not lift his head and when I picked him up, he just hung limp in my arms. I knew then that it was time to let him go. Fortunately, Dr. McCann was still at the office and she helped him cross over. We may still have a house full of furbabies but his leaving has left a hole in our hearts. I shall see beauty but none to match your living grace, I shall hear music but none as sweet as the song with which you loved me, I shall fill my days but I shall not, cannot forget. Sleep soft, dear Miller. . . 1999-2011 Edna, Frank and the Nuisance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miller
So sorry you lost this litttle love. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:12 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Miller Well, after trying one round of chemo last week Miller seemed to have a bit more pep in his step and was eating like a champ but then on Tuesday, he didn't want to eat so I force fed him and yesterday morning we took him in, vet gave him subQ fluids and vitamins. I had an uneasy feeling all day and when I got home I immediately went to where I knew he would be, behind the entertainment center. He wouldn't move, he would not lift his head and when I picked him up, he just hung limp in my arms. I knew then that it was time to let him go. Fortunately, Dr. McCann was still at the office and she helped him cross over. We may still have a house full of furbabies but his leaving has left a hole in our hearts. I shall see beauty but none to match your living grace, I shall hear music but none as sweet as the song with which you loved me, I shall fill my days but I shall not, cannot forget. Sleep soft, dear Miller. . . 1999-2011 Edna, Frank and the Nuisance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Super proposal cant wait!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Miller
Goodnight, sweet Miller... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Edna Taylormailto:taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgmailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:12 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Miller Well, after trying one round of chemo last week Miller seemed to have a bit more pep in his step and was eating like a champ but then on Tuesday, he didn't want to eat so I force fed him and yesterday morning we took him in, vet gave him subQ fluids and vitamins. I had an uneasy feeling all day and when I got home I immediately went to where I knew he would be, behind the entertainment center. He wouldn't move, he would not lift his head and when I picked him up, he just hung limp in my arms. I knew then that it was time to let him go. Fortunately, Dr. McCann was still at the office and she helped him cross over. We may still have a house full of furbabies but his leaving has left a hole in our hearts. I shall see beauty but none to match your living grace, I shall hear music but none as sweet as the song with which you loved me, I shall fill my days but I shall not, cannot forget. Sleep soft, dear Miller. . . 1999-2011 Edna, Frank and the Nuisance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miller
I'm so very sorry Edna..Godspeed beautiful Miller Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Miller To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 9:12 PM Well, after trying one round of chemo last week Miller seemed to have a bit more pep in his step and was eating like a champ but then on Tuesday, he didn't want to eat so I force fed him and yesterday morning we took him in, vet gave him subQ fluids and vitamins. I had an uneasy feeling all day and when I got home I immediately went to where I knew he would be, behind the entertainment center. He wouldn't move, he would not lift his head and when I picked him up, he just hung limp in my arms. I knew then that it was time to let him go. Fortunately, Dr. McCann was still at the office and she helped him cross over. We may still have a house full of furbabies but his leaving has left a hole in our hearts. I shall see beauty but none to match your living grace, I shall hear music but none as sweet as the song with which you loved me, I shall fill my days but I shall not, cannot forget. Sleep soft, dear Miller. . . 1999-2011 Edna, Frank and the Nuisance -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miller
I was saddened to read that Miller has crossed the Rainbow Bridge. We love them, care for them and in the end let them go. You did what you could for Miller. He is now happily romping in the green meadows chasing butterflies with all our Angels. Sharyl From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:12 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Miller Well, after trying one round of chemo last week Miller seemed to have a bit more pep in his step and was eating like a champ but then on Tuesday, he didn't want to eat so I force fed him and yesterday morning we took him in, vet gave him subQ fluids and vitamins. I had an uneasy feeling all day and when I got home I immediately went to where I knew he would be, behind the entertainment center. He wouldn't move, he would not lift his head and when I picked him up, he just hung limp in my arms. I knew then that it was time to let him go. Fortunately, Dr. McCann was still at the office and she helped him cross over. We may still have a house full of furbabies but his leaving has left a hole in our hearts. I shall see beauty but none to match your living grace, I shall hear music but none as sweet as the song with which you loved me, I shall fill my days but I shall not, cannot forget. Sleep soft, dear Miller. . . 1999-2011 Edna, Frank and the Nuisance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
