[Felvtalk] FeLV+ Cat - Chincoteague Island - URGENT - Transportation Available

[Cindy McHugh]

I was contacted by someone whose friend has been feeding a stray cat that's 
living in a seasonal mobile home park on Chincoteague Island. The park closes 
at the end of November and the person who has been feeding it is going to live 
with relatives, where the cat is not welcome. 

The woman who contacted me is desperate to find a place for the cat by the end 
of November and she's willing to cover all vetting costs herself. 
Transportation is also available most anywhere.

The cat is called Storm because he showed up after Hurricane Irene. He's a 
long-haired black and white neutered male. 

If you know of anyone who can help, please contact me and I'll put you in touch 
with the woman who's trying so hard to save this poor baby. He's had a lot of 
tough breaks in his life. He deserves another chance.

Thank you.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

[Maureen Olvey]

Thanks Kat.

I can keep her but I'd rather not because my house is full of foster failures 
as it is!  I love them all but I wish I could have found homes for more of 
them.  If for some reason I can't find her a home then she can always stay with 
me.  Don't worry, I won't be putting her down.

I'll definitely think about your offer though.  I might need a nice drive to KY 
or OH to get away from my mad house for a few days  ;-) Really though, I 
will think about it.  I have a couple of friends with family up that way so I 
might find out when they're heading up.  I'll let you know.  You would totally 
love her.  She is so sweet.  She really loves attention and follows me around.  
Kind of a laid back little girl.  She likes to play of course like all kittens 
but she's also happy just hanging out.

I'm hoping her IFA will be negative which would mean she still has a chance of 
extinguishing the virus.  I wouldn't expect a kitten to be able to fight off 
the virus but you just never know.  I'm going to wait a couple weeks before 
doing that test but will definitely think about your offer and see if there's a 
way to work out the transporting.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 23:28:59 -0500
> From: katsk...@gmail.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
> 
> Maureen
> I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats.  Of the cats, 1 is about 11 -
> 12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive
> years ago.  One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because
> of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the
> house.  Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now,
> I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others.
> 
> That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would
> be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her.  I
> can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you
> can't find her a home?
> 
> She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling
> with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most
> definitely would not lack for play opportunities.
> 
> Has she been spayed?
> 
> If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep
> her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out
> with me.
> 
> I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still.  Would love to have another.
> 
> Thanks
> kat
> 
> On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda  wrote:
> > Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of
> > any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are
> > concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine,
> > a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to
> > me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized
> > for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that
> > is A OK!   Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
> > 2010.
> >
> > On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey  wrote:
> >
> >> I kind of have to vaccinate.  I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and
> >> since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my
> >> others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever.  Maybe
> >> I should but I don't have the set up for that.  I hate over - vaccinating
> >> too but I think I have to in this case.  Unless there's someone like Beth
> >> that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her
> >> out  ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten.
> >> Appears healthy as a horse.  I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the
> >> lab) so I know she's positive.  I hope she can extinguish the virus but
> >> since she's a kitten I'm a little worried.  I"m going to follow up with an
> >> IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that
> >> will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus.  Back to the
> >> point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know.
> >>
> >> Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you
> >> from bringing in a positive kitty.  I tested all  my cats and kittens and
> >> they always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two
> >> years old.  No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV
> >> kitty.  The vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you
> >> test a kitten and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't
> >> had time to sho

Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats

[Maureen Olvey]

Kittens can sometimes have a false FIV + result.  The FIV portion of the combo 
test looks for FIV antibodies so if the kitten has antibodies from the mother 
still in it's system then the kitten can show positive for FIV.  But waiting a 
little and testing later the kitten will usually show negative because the 
Mom's antibodies will no longer be present.  Other than that I haven't heard of 
too many false positives for FIV.  I'm sure there are and I just haven't looked 
into it.  If those test kits aren't handled properly they can show false 
positives for FeLV so I would think they could for FIV too.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:34:30 -0800
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats

I don't have enough authority/knowlegde to say I disagree with the last 
statement "cats over the age of 16 wks are virtually inmune to FeLV"..I'd say I 
wished, because I have seen cats older than 3 yrs to get infected.
Whether it was the cat was sick and wasn't obvious even to an ELISA(wich I had 
been told it can give false FIV results but is accurate on FeLV) I don't know.
 
Being on the rescue & adopt out position, I've to get my adoptables tested and 
vaccinated. It'd be wonderful if everybody would know the facts
Marta


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From: dppl dppl 
Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:27 PM








As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and 
testing the kitten I found,
I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing 
process.  I was wondering if
anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks
 
http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx
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Re: [Felvtalk] muscle wasting

[dlgegg]

predniolone can cause so many problems that sometimes I wonder if it is worth 
using it.  I ended up with perpherial nerve damage (I dn't feel especially in 
my fingers so can't hold onto needles and for a beader, that is a problem), 
ulcers and a few not as serious probems from my chemo tretments.


 "danbin...@netzero.com"  wrote: 
> Thanks Marta.  For as much research that I have done, I never read that long 
> term predniolone can cause muscle wasting in cats.  Now, I find a lot of 
> articles via Google.  I appreciate you posting that it does!
> 
> You mentioned that you had several cats that had this issue.  What did you 
> do?  Did they go on pain meds, are there exercises?
> 
> with appreciation, 
> 
> debbie and buster
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

[dlgegg]

Educating vets is up to us.  When I find something I think is important, I copy 
and take it to him.  He said he appreciates it because he doesn't have a lot of 
time to spend on the computer sifting thru all the articles.  I lilve in a 
rural area and he spends a lot of time with cows, horses and hogs.  Sometimes I 
have gone for an appointment and he is not there because a cow is having a 
difficult delivery and he can't just leave her.  Then that throws his day off 
and many times, he has to work beyond his regular day to finish up all his 
patients.  I don't mind that because I would probably do the same thing.  Can't 
leave an animal in distress.  Wouldn't wat him to leave mine just because of 
his schedule.


 Maureen Olvey  wrote: 
> 
> You know, I get really tired of this!  I just dealt with another vet - 
> actually a conversation with his wife who volunteers with us - and told her 
> he was wrong about some things regarding FeLV.  Not that he said put one down 
> but he said there are no false positives.  Granted there isn't a large 
> majority of false positives but it can and does happen.  Anyway, I get sick 
> of these vets who don't keep up with the most current findings and research.  
> It only takes me a few minutes to google FeLV and there are lots of articles 
> written by other vets about FeLV.  I think next time we need to tell them to 
> do their friggin job and stay current with medical findings.  Arggg!  
> I think maybe I'll print some articles by other vets and just hand them to a 
> vet the next time one of them says something stupid about FeLV.
> 
> The thing is that there is this other vet I know that volunteers for local 
> rescues and she stays current with everything, especially FeLV.  I always go 
> to her with  my questions if I find something online that I don't understand. 
>  There are some good vets and even the ones that say stupid things about FeLV 
> are probably great in so many other areas of vet medicine but still they 
> should stay current on things.  And by current I mean at least stuff that's 
> come up or been found in the last 5- 10 years.  It's not like the stuff we 
> talk about regarding FeLV is new.  The information on the web has been out 
> there for quite a few years.  I know most vets care about the animals and are 
> good but they need to know current findings before putting a cat down.
> 
> Well, that's my venting for now.  I think it's our job to share our knowledge 
> with vets who don't know these things but the best way is by showing them 
> articles by other vets.  We're not in the medical field so they wouldn't 
> believe us.
> 
> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain
> 
> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:38:42 -0800
> From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
> 
> I must look pretty defiant or something because only one vet(the youngest, 
> first job, I thought she'd have new ideas, nope just as antiquated as the one 
> thats nearing retirement)did suggest the pts solution out of 3 different ones.
> I always try to 'reeducate' vets, just I'd educate a person in the street 
> that never even heard of the disease.
> Yes it is true FeLV+'s can die a slow and painful death, not all though. It 
> is up to the owner to look for signs that the time is near and know when to 
> help kitty along.
> Have learnt that the hard way. But it is not the vet place to suggest that 
> 'final solution'.
> Marta
> 
> 
> http://homelessnomore.webs.com/
> 
> --- On Fri, 11/18/11, Christiane Biagi  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Christiane Biagi 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:07 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Or how about the ones that live to ripe old age—my Tucson is 13+ and positive 
> and a hefty 16 lbs!
>  
> 
> 
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marci Greer
> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:46 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
>  
> 
> Hi Everyone,
>  
> We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing 
> wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on 
> Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the 
> test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he 
> did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he 
> did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then 
> (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we 

Re: [Felvtalk] Adult cats immunity to FeLV

[dlgegg]

I keep new ones, especially kittens seperated until their shots are complete 
and then my vet said give them another week or so just to be sure.  After that, 
I mix them because it is too hard on them and me to keep them locked up in a 
room by themselves.  So far, it works.  None of my negatives have contracted it 
and everyone is healthy as can be.

 Georgetta Brickey  wrote: 
> 
> Just wanted to insert a few thoughts.
>  
> Last year when I ended up with a FeLV kitten I did strict quarantine and a 
> LOT of googling research.  In a nutshell, here is what I found - in general 
> terms.
>  
> 1.  FeLV even in a kitten with an active infection is not easily spread from 
> cat to cat.  The virus is much like Human HIV - very fragile in the 
> environment - some sources say that it dies in minutes unless conditions are 
> optimum - temperature, humidity, etc.  To contract it, they have to have 
> close contact - grooming, licking, etc.  We did have one negative kitten in 
> foster care contract FeLV from a positive kitten she had very close contact 
> with - they were Best Buddies.  The other littermates repeatedly tested 
> negative but they were not as closely associated with the kitten who tested 
> positive first.
>  
> 2.  Adult cats are apparently less susceptible to contracting it, even when 
> exposed longterm in an unvaccinated (FeLV vax) multicat household - 
> apparently a healthy mature immune system is strong enough to eliminate the 
> virus in most adult cats even with close contact.
>  
> 3.  Some cats can have positive tests and live long and apparently healthy 
> lives; others die in the first year of life.
>  
> 4. I am now very careful with quarantine on "sickly" kittens that arrive with 
> problems such as persistent "colds", mange mite or ringworm infections - I 
> think it is possible that these kittens may have a compromised immune system 
> from birth that may make them more vunerable to contracting FeLV.
>  
> Hope this sparks some serious googling!  There is a LOT of info out there!  
> Just use your brain and evaluate what you read - there are some sketchy 
> sites/cures too.
>  
> Georgetta   


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[Felvtalk] muscle wasting

[danbin...@netzero.com]

Thanks Marta.  For as much research that I have done, I never read that long 
term predniolone can cause muscle wasting in cats.  Now, I find a lot of 
articles via Google.  I appreciate you posting that it does!

You mentioned that you had several cats that had this issue.  What did you do?  
Did they go on pain meds, are there exercises?

with appreciation, 

debbie and buster


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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

[dlgegg]

Give them positive examples.  All of us hav felv pos cats who are living 
normal, healthy lives and living with negative cats.  I have had mine for 4 
years and they are just as healthy as the negatives.


 Marci Greer  wrote: 
> 
> Hi Everyone,
>  
> We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing 
> wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on 
> Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the 
> test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he 
> did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he 
> did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then 
> (the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we 
> brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with 
> our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why 
> the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking 
> about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said 
> that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about 
> the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able 
> to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess 
> what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught 
> in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats 
> that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! 
>  
> Marci, Maddie, & Charles
>  
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question

[katskat1]

Maureen
I have 3 grown dogs, 1 puppy and 9 cats.  Of the cats, 1 is about 11 -
12 years old and in the final stages of FeLV having tested positive
years ago.  One of the others had her eyes removed at 4 weeks because
of severe infections but is now 6 months old and the ruler of the
house.  Because I had one other FeLV+ cat besides the one I have now,
I have kept up yearly vaccinations on all my others.

That said, I live in S Ohio and if nobody can take your kitty I would
be willing to try if someone can assist with transporting her.  I
can't dirve the entire way but could meet someone in KY maybe if you
can't find her a home?

She would be totally indoors, spoiled and probably end up wrestling
with the puppy and blind Koko Kitty just as the others do so she most
definitely would not lack for play opportunities.

Has she been spayed?

If nobody nearer to you can adopt her and you don't feel you can keep
her let me know if you are interested in trying to work something out
with me.

I had a Siamese years ago and miss her still.  Would love to have another.

Thanks
kat

On 11/17/11, Marcia Baronda  wrote:
> Big markup on vaccines, but they have to make a living too! I don't know of
> any vets out here that are rolling in cash, quite a few of them are
> concerned about being fair to farmers, etc. But, back to the rabies vaccine,
> a lot of cities dictate how often a rabies vaccine has to be given, which to
> me, is ridiculous. Where I'm from, a three year vaccine is only recognized
> for 2 years. And i'm sure that all of you know, the average Joe thinks that
> is A OK!   Same with panleukopenia vaccine. It lasts forever.
>
> Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas
> 2010.
>
> On Nov 17, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Maureen Olvey  wrote:
>
>> I kind of have to vaccinate.  I brought in a FeLV positive kitten and
>> since I doubt I will be able to adopt her out I need to vaccinate my
>> others because I'm not planning on keeping them separated forever.  Maybe
>> I should but I don't have the set up for that.  I hate over - vaccinating
>> too but I think I have to in this case.  Unless there's someone like Beth
>> that lives in the Atlanta area that wants to take her and try to adopt her
>> out  ;-)She is a beautiful 12 week old blue point siamese kitten.
>> Appears healthy as a horse.  I had the ELISA done twice (once sent to the
>> lab) so I know she's positive.  I hope she can extinguish the virus but
>> since she's a kitten I'm a little worried.  I"m going to follow up with an
>> IFA to see if the virus has progressed into her white blood cells so that
>> will tell me if she has a chance of extinguishing the virus.  Back to the
>> point, anyone wants a 12 week old blue point siamese kitten let me know.
>>
>> Not to scare you but as a side note - testing doesn't always prevent you
>> from bringing in a positive kitty.  I tested all  my cats and kittens and
>> they always came up negative yet I had one die from FeLV when she was two
>> years old.  No other kitties in my house got it from her, even my FIV
>> kitty.  The vet had some thoughts of how that happened but anyway if you
>> test a kitten and she shows up negative it may be that the virus hasn't
>> had time to show on the snap test.  Not a comforting thought I know.
>>
>> Still, I wouldn't vaccinate my cats if I hadn't brought in this FeLV
>> kitten in because like most everyone I hate over-vaccinating.  I just knew
>> her first snap test was a false positive so I wanted to give her a shot.
>> But now that she's been here two weeks and is even more healthy I just
>> can't put her down.  I'm going to try to adopt her out even though I doubt
>> I'll be successful.  But in the meantime she needs to get out of that one
>> room and play.
>>
>> Another interesting fact - a couple years ago I read there was a study
>> done on the rabies vaccine and they found that kittens vaccinated at 12 or
>> 16 weeks old still had immunity 4 years later.  And that was just the
>> normal one year rabies vaccine.  Crazy huh?  I think the American
>> Association of Veterinarians something or another sets the vaccination
>> protocols but they're all vets so of course they're going to recommend
>> vaccinating as much as possible.
>>
>>
>> “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
>> profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon
>> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
>> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark
>> Twain
>>
>> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:38:18 -0800
>> From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccination question
>>
>> I would be very, very cautious about vaccinating a cat agaimst FeLv.
>> Several people I know had the miserable experience of their cat
>> contracting leukemia after being vaccinated. I wouldn't swear that the
>> vaccine was the source of the infection

Re: [Felvtalk] please add tigger to list

[Sharyl]

I am saddened to read your little Tigger has crossed the Rainbow Bridge.  We 
love them, care for them and in the end let them go.  You were blessed to have 
him for almost 5 yrs.
Sharyl
 


 From: john pollack 
To: "Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 4:01 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] please add tigger to list
 

I lost my little Tigger today, 1 month short of his 5th birthday. FeLV+ since 
birth. God speed, lil Tigger
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Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats

[Sharyl]

As has already been posted, the FeLV vaccine does not affect future test 
results.   If a cat received the FIV vaccine it will test positive for FIV on 
all future FIV tests.  
 
Getting the FeLV vaccine won't hurt your cat other than the slight risk 
associated with cancer at the vaccine site.  
 
No idea why your vet went ahead with the vaccination before getting the test 
results.  The in house test only takes 10 minutes.
 
Sharyl
 


 From: dppl dppl 
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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats
 

to Sheryl:  I can't figure out how to reply to your msg but in that doc you 
linked to, is this the most current protocol?  If I understand correctly, it 
says that you don't vaccinate until you get test results.  well, my vet 
thinking the cat was healthy, went ahead and vaccinated, even after I asked if 
we should wait for the results.  so how does this affect this cat including 
future testing? I read somewhere that the vaccination can result in the cat 
testing positive but i can't sort out what is current and what is not.  I can't 
believe a vet would be so careless to recommend testing and then go ahead and 
vaccinate before getting the test results if it affected future test results or 
the health of the cat .  I really appreicate anyone who can add to this 
discussion, either based on info you found , your vets info or your actual 
experience.  I am not feeling too comfortable now about having this kitten 
already vaccinated before the positive
 results were known.
 
 


From: dppl dppl 
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Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: testing cats


As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and 
testing the kitten I found, 
I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing 
process.  I was wondering if 
anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks 
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Re: [Felvtalk] please add tigger to list

[Natalie]

I am so sorry about Tigger! Natalie

 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] please add tigger to list

 

Goodnight, sweet Tigger...

 

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=

 

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To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 

Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 4:01 PM

Subject: [Felvtalk] please add tigger to list

 

I lost my little Tigger today, 1 month short of his 5th birthday. FeLV+
since birth. God speed, lil Tigger

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Re: [Felvtalk] "Off day" / couple of questions

[Anne Myles]

I had my Dublin to the vet today for full bloodwork.  Though I only heard
the results on the phone, it apparently looked pretty good.  His red blood
cells were just below the normal range (29 with 30 as the low end of
normal) -- the vet is going to research the protocols for helping to bring
it up and check with his supplier about Immuno-regulin.  His white cells
were low normal.  Everything related to organ function was good.

The bad news is that when he was inspecting Dublin's mouth (he has just *awful
*gingivitis even though he had a dental six weeks ago and  I've been using
Maxiguard gel every day, which my vet thinks is the best product) he found
he has a bleeding growth on his gum.  So now we have surgery scheduled for
Tuesday to remove it for biopsy.  The vet did seem fairly optimistic that
it could well be other things than a malignancy (squamous cell carcinoma
being the most common source of cat oral tumors :( ) -- in particular he
said something about how if they didn't get all of the root during one of
his ten dental extractions the week before I adopted him (done by another
vet) that could cause such problems.  Meanwhile, he got an antibiotic
injection to hopefully help clean things up in there.

Sigh, sure hope my baby is OK -- and not too thrilled about the huge
expenses so soon.  And I'm kicking myself -- after researching here I meant
to ask about testing for hemobartonella as a possible cause of anemia, but
totally forgot when the gum business cropped up.  I guess we could test
when he has the surgery.  Meanwhile, he eats vigorously and is very lively,
galloping back and forth across the house with his "brother" C.J.!
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Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats

[Lynda Wilson]

I disagree that "cats that are over 16 weeks are virtually immune to the 
disease" from my personal experience.  I also know that it is the vaccination 
for FIV that will always show a positive result on a test, but the FeLV 
vaccination does not.


  - Original Message - 
  From: dppl dppl 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:27 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats


  As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and 
testing the kitten I found,
  I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing 
process.  I was wondering if
  anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks
   
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[Felvtalk] Adult cats immunity to FeLV

[Georgetta Brickey]

Just wanted to insert a few thoughts.
 
Last year when I ended up with a FeLV kitten I did strict quarantine and a LOT 
of googling research.  In a nutshell, here is what I found - in general terms.
 
1.  FeLV even in a kitten with an active infection is not easily spread from 
cat to cat.  The virus is much like Human HIV - very fragile in the environment 
- some sources say that it dies in minutes unless conditions are optimum - 
temperature, humidity, etc.  To contract it, they have to have close contact - 
grooming, licking, etc.  We did have one negative kitten in foster care 
contract FeLV from a positive kitten she had very close contact with - they 
were Best Buddies.  The other littermates repeatedly tested negative but they 
were not as closely associated with the kitten who tested positive first.
 
2.  Adult cats are apparently less susceptible to contracting it, even when 
exposed longterm in an unvaccinated (FeLV vax) multicat household - apparently 
a healthy mature immune system is strong enough to eliminate the virus in most 
adult cats even with close contact.
 
3.  Some cats can have positive tests and live long and apparently healthy 
lives; others die in the first year of life.
 
4. I am now very careful with quarantine on "sickly" kittens that arrive with 
problems such as persistent "colds", mange mite or ringworm infections - I 
think it is possible that these kittens may have a compromised immune system 
from birth that may make them more vunerable to contracting FeLV.
 
Hope this sparks some serious googling!  There is a LOT of info out there!  
Just use your brain and evaluate what you read - there are some sketchy 
sites/cures too.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] please add tigger to list

[Terri Brown]

Goodnight, sweet Tigger...

=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=

- Original Message - 
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  To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 4:01 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] please add tigger to list


  I lost my little Tigger today, 1 month short of his 5th birthday. FeLV+ since 
birth. God speed, lil Tigger
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Re: [Felvtalk] please add tigger to list

[Melinda Kerr]

Sorry for your loss. At least you had each for time he had! 

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 19, 2011, at 6:01 AM, john pollack  wrote:

> I lost my little Tigger today, 1 month short of his 5th birthday. FeLV+ since 
> birth. God speed, lil Tigger
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Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats

[dppl dppl]

to Sheryl:  I can't figure out how to reply to your msg but in that doc you 
linked to, is this the most current protocol?  If I understand correctly, it 
says that you don't vaccinate until you get test results.  well, my vet 
thinking the cat was healthy, went ahead and vaccinated, even after I asked if 
we should wait for the results.  so how does this affect this cat including 
future testing? I read somewhere that the vaccination can result in the cat 
testing positive but i can't sort out what is current and what is not.  I can't 
believe a vet would be so careless to recommend testing and then go ahead and 
vaccinate before getting the test results if it affected future test results or 
the health of the cat .  I really appreicate anyone who can add to this 
discussion, either based on info you found , your vets info or your actual 
experience.  I am not feeling too comfortable now about having this kitten 
already vaccinated before the positive
 results were known.




From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: testing cats


As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and 
testing the kitten I found,
I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing 
process.  I was wondering if
anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] please add tigger to list

[MaiMaiPG]

You gave him so much and he is very grateful.
On Nov 18, 2011, at 3:01 PM, john pollack wrote:

I lost my little Tigger today, 1 month short of his 5th birthday.  
FeLV+ since birth. God speed, lil Tigger

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Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats

[Sharyl]

This is another case where you need to dig deeper and not believe the cover 
story.  Google the org. mentioned.  Here is the link to the Feline Practioners 
Vaccine Guidelines.
http://www.catvets.com/uploads/PDF/2006_Vaccination_Guidelines_JAVMA.pdf
 
They actually recommend giving all kittens the FeLV vaccine after 1st testing 
them.
 
Sorry you stumbled across such mis-informtaion
Sharyl
 


 From: Marta Gasper 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 3:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats
  
I don't have enough authority/knowlegde to say I disagree with the last 
statement "cats over the age of 16 wks are virtually inmune to FeLV"..I'd say I 
wished, because I have seen cats older than 3 yrs to get infected. 
Whether it was the cat was sick and wasn't obvious even to an ELISA(wich I had 
been told it can give false FIV results but is accurate on FeLV) I don't know. 

Being on the rescue & adopt out position, I've to get my adoptables tested and 
vaccinated. It'd be wonderful if everybody would know the facts 
Marta 
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>Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:27 PM
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>
>As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and 
>testing the kitten I found, 
>I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing 
>process.  I was wondering if 
>anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks 
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Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats

[Marta Gasper]

I don't have enough authority/knowlegde to say I disagree with the last 
statement "cats over the age of 16 wks are virtually inmune to FeLV"..I'd say I 
wished, because I have seen cats older than 3 yrs to get infected.
Whether it was the cat was sick and wasn't obvious even to an ELISA(wich I had 
been told it can give false FIV results but is accurate on FeLV) I don't know.
 
Being on the rescue & adopt out position, I've to get my adoptables tested and 
vaccinated. It'd be wonderful if everybody would know the facts
Marta


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From: dppl dppl 
Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:27 PM








As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and 
testing the kitten I found,
I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing 
process.  I was wondering if
anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks
 http://network.bestfriends.org/groups/smitten_by_kittens/pages/feline-leukemia-testing-why-are-you-wasting-your-money.aspx
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

[Maureen Olvey]

And another thought - 



FeLV cats that are owned don't die a slow and painful death because 
their caring owners will put them down when the pain becomes too intense
 and they can no longer help them.  Only feral cats with no home and no 
colony caretaker would die that kind of way from FeLV.



“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

From: frecklescras...@hotmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:46:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14








Hi Everyone,

 

We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing 
wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on 
Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test 
comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did 
test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did 
I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same 
as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him 
home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I 
talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first 
option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how 
many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + 
cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that 
test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the 
virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting 
at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know 
I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a 
healthy life and aren't even given the chance! 

 

Marci, Maddie, & Charles

 

 
  

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Re: [Felvtalk] testing cats

[Maureen Olvey]

Interesting.



I don't really believe that 72% are false positives.  I think the 
percentages of that are much lower.  I think most of the problems wtih 
the ELISA come from improper handling of the kit.  However, I like most 
of everything else they said in the article.  The ELISA doesn't give you
 the final results.  According to articles I've read and my vet friend, 
the ELISA test looks for small fragments of the virus in the 
blood/saliva/tears or whatever.  It doesn't look for antibodies, it 
looks for small fragments of the virus.  At this point you don't know 
whether the virus has replicated and spread or whether it's progressed 
into the white blood cells.  At this point they could get rid of the 
virus like most cats do.  The cat may not even be contagious at this 
point.  The ELISA is a screening test only.  It's just to let you know 
whether you need to look into this any further.



I do have a very healthy kitten right now that I just took in that 
tested positive on her ELISA.  I just mentioned it yesterday so sorry to
 repeat.  I had a second ELISA test done that is sent to the lab for a 
"well test."  It's just like the snap test in the office in that it 
looks for small fragments of the virus but it's performed a different 
way.  That test showed a positive also.  So if you're in rescue I 
definitely think you should test because the disease is out there but 
it's not as common as some think.  My vet friend also said that most 
healthy adult cats can extinguish the virus so I agree with that part of
 the article.  I read that somewhere else in an online article by 
another vet.



Thanks for the article though.  I'd like to read more of the stuff from this 
group.


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:27:08 -0800
From: dppl1...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] testing cats




As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and 
testing the kitten I found,
I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing 
process.  I was wondering if
anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

[Maureen Olvey]

You know, I get really tired of this!  I just dealt with another vet - actually 
a conversation with his wife who volunteers with us - and told her he was wrong 
about some things regarding FeLV.  Not that he said put one down but he said 
there are no false positives.  Granted there isn't a large majority of false 
positives but it can and does happen.  Anyway, I get sick of these vets who 
don't keep up with the most current findings and research.  It only takes me a 
few minutes to google FeLV and there are lots of articles written by other vets 
about FeLV.  I think next time we need to tell them to do their friggin job and 
stay current with medical findings.  Arggg!  I think maybe I'll print 
some articles by other vets and just hand them to a vet the next time one of 
them says something stupid about FeLV.

The thing is that there is this other vet I know that volunteers for local 
rescues and she stays current with everything, especially FeLV.  I always go to 
her with  my questions if I find something online that I don't understand.  
There are some good vets and even the ones that say stupid things about FeLV 
are probably great in so many other areas of vet medicine but still they should 
stay current on things.  And by current I mean at least stuff that's come up or 
been found in the last 5- 10 years.  It's not like the stuff we talk about 
regarding FeLV is new.  The information on the web has been out there for quite 
a few years.  I know most vets care about the animals and are good but they 
need to know current findings before putting a cat down.

Well, that's my venting for now.  I think it's our job to share our knowledge 
with vets who don't know these things but the best way is by showing them 
articles by other vets.  We're not in the medical field so they wouldn't 
believe us.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:38:42 -0800
From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

I must look pretty defiant or something because only one vet(the youngest, 
first job, I thought she'd have new ideas, nope just as antiquated as the one 
thats nearing retirement)did suggest the pts solution out of 3 different ones.
I always try to 'reeducate' vets, just I'd educate a person in the street that 
never even heard of the disease.
Yes it is true FeLV+'s can die a slow and painful death, not all though. It is 
up to the owner to look for signs that the time is near and know when to help 
kitty along.
Have learnt that the hard way. But it is not the vet place to suggest that 
'final solution'.
Marta


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From: Christiane Biagi 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:07 PM







Or how about the ones that live to ripe old age—my Tucson is 13+ and positive 
and a hefty 16 lbs!
 


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marci Greer
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
 

Hi Everyone,
 
We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing 
wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on 
Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test 
comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did 
test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did 
I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same 
as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him 
home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I 
talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first 
option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how 
many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The
 vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well 
what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test positive and 
are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I 
guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what these vets are 
taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these 
cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the chance! 
 
Marci, Maddie, & Charles
 
 
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[Marta Gasper]

I must look pretty defiant or something because only one vet(the youngest, 
first job, I thought she'd have new ideas, nope just as antiquated as the one 
thats nearing retirement)did suggest the pts solution out of 3 different ones.
I always try to 'reeducate' vets, just I'd educate a person in the street that 
never even heard of the disease.
Yes it is true FeLV+'s can die a slow and painful death, not all though. It is 
up to the owner to look for signs that the time is near and know when to help 
kitty along.
Have learnt that the hard way. But it is not the vet place to suggest that 
'final solution'.
Marta


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From: Christiane Biagi 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, November 18, 2011, 6:07 PM







Or how about the ones that live to ripe old age—my Tucson is 13+ and positive 
and a hefty 16 lbs!
 


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marci Greer
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
 

Hi Everyone,
 
We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing 
wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on 
Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test 
comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did 
test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did 
I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same 
as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him 
home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I 
talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first 
option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how 
many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + 
cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that 
test false positive or the ones
 that test positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never 
heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse 
what these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this 
so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given the 
chance! 
 
Marci, Maddie, & Charles
 
 
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[Felvtalk] testing cats

[dppl dppl]

As I continue to try to learn as much as possible about this illness and 
testing the kitten I found,
I came across this post on the Best Friends site questioning the testing 
process.  I was wondering if
anyone had any comments on its contents?Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

[Christiane Biagi]

Or how about the ones that live to ripe old age-my Tucson is 13+ and
positive and a hefty 16 lbs!

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marci Greer
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

 

Hi Everyone,
 
We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing
wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on
Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the
test comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he
did test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he
did I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then
(the same as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we
brought him home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming
with our Maddie. I talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't
understand why the first option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me
crazy thinking about how many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be,
The vet said that FELv + cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok
well what about the ones that test false positive or the ones that test
positive and are able to throw the virus off, he said he has never heard of
that happen, I guess what I am getting at is there any way to reverse what
these vets are taught in college. I know I'm grasping but I just hate this
so much for these cats that can lead a healthy life and aren't even given
the chance! 
 
Marci, Maddie, & Charles
 
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

[Lynda Wilson]

Tell your vet about this forum and he will learn something.  Maybe you should 
change to a vet that does not have a first thought of putting the cat down if 
it tests positive for FeLV.

I'm glad you tried to educate him. Kudos to you Marci & your hubby!  Hugs & 
kisses to Maddie and Charles :)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marci Greer 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14


  Hi Everyone,
   
  We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing 
wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on 
Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test 
comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did 
test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did 
I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same 
as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him 
home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I 
talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first 
option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how 
many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + 
cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that 
test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the 
virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting 
at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know 
I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a 
healthy life and aren't even given the chance! 
   
  Marci, Maddie, & Charles
   
   



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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

[Marci Greer]

Hi Everyone,
 
We have a FELv + kitty Maddie who was diagnosed over 3 yrs ago and is doing 
wonderfully, We just took another stray kitty named Charles to the vet on 
Monday, before they did the combo test my husband said, no matter what the test 
comes back we ARE NOT putting him to sleep, the vet came back in and he did 
test a weak positive for FELv, if my husband would have not said what he did 
I'm sure they would have started with putting him to sleep right then (the same 
as they did with Maddie) , they did go ahead and neuter him and we brought him 
home and he is doing very well (asymptomatic) and is rooming with our Maddie. I 
talked to the vet regarding FELv because I can't understand why the first 
option is always putting them to sleep, it makes me crazy thinking about how 
many cats are put to sleep and don't deserve to be, The vet said that FELv + 
cats will die a slow and painful death, I said ok well what about the ones that 
test false positive or the ones that test positive and are able to throw the 
virus off, he said he has never heard of that happen, I guess what I am getting 
at is there any way to reverse what these vets are taught in college. I know 
I'm grasping but I just hate this so much for these cats that can lead a 
healthy life and aren't even given the chance! 
 
Marci, Maddie, & Charles
 
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[Felvtalk] EXTREMELY friendly young adult positive in NJ needs home

[lernermichelle]

Hi. I used to be a member of this group when I had positives of my own (I 
adopted 6 at one time, years ago, which was quite a rollercoaster). Some of you 
may remember me. I now run a Trap-Neuter-Return program in NJ, and also have a 
baby and negative cats and an FIV+ cat, so cannot take on FeLV+ cats at this 
point. My group trapped a very friendly young adult unneutered male on Tuesday 
who people had been feeding for months outside at an apartment complex, 
probably abandoned by a tenant who moved out.  He tested positive on a snap 
test for FeLV when he went to be neutered yesterday. We will get the IFA test 
done but are not hopeful. He is a really beautiful tiger and has no tail for 
some reason, does not look like trauma but more like a Manx cat. He is really, 
really, really friendly-- the kind of cat who meows/talks to you all the time 
and follows you around. He also seems to really like other cats, though has 
only interacted with them in the foster home through a cage because we did not 
know his status. He will now have to stay in a cage at the foster home, which 
is not good for a positive but we have no other options for him right now. Does 
anyone within driving distance of NJ need or want a companion for a positive 
cat? This cat is a really amazing cat. We call him Tito. You would not find a 
better companion for your cat or yourself. 

Thanks,
Michelle Lerner
Flanders, NJ
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