[Felvtalk] any holistic/chinese herb experts? Product called: Clearlungs

[dana giordano]

Hi all,

I just started using something called Clearlungs for my asthma and uri that
I have (and probably gave to my cats.) It's been quite helpful for my
breathing which made me wonder - has anyone ever used this or know if the
ingredients are safe for cats?

If not, I'll look up the info one by one get back to you but I thought
there might be some good feedback here.

Just fyi, I use Immune boost 77 from morningstar minerals (which is pretty
awesome) for my non-felv URIs, but I just discovered Clearlungs and I was
wondering if it would be a nice addition.

The cats I am considering it for are indoor, non-FELV (and half-feral but
we're working on it) so I would like to avoid the stressful vet when
possible.

Product information is laid out quite readably at
http://www.utopiasilver.com/products/supplements/clearlungs.htm (I've never
ordered from there fyi)

I'll start looking the info up tonight when I get home from work if no one
knows but I thought maybe to get a jump on it if it wasn't too much trouble
for anyone to respond.

Best to you all,
Dana
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ketoprofen, metacam and prednisone

[Lorrie]

Ketoprofen is what I take for arthritis and it really helps. I had no
idea a cat could take this.  It is in the Ibuprofen family I believe and 
I thought this as well as Tylenol (Acetaphenomen) would kill a cat.

Lorrie

On 05-19, Margo wrote:

   While I've never had a problem with metacam, I refuse it when possible.
   When Gribble was first diagnosed as FeLV positive, his fever was very
   high, an we neeed an anti-inflammatory. I chose Ketoprofen, and we had
   good results. It was used for 5 days. For pain, I'd suggest
   buprenorphine (Buprenex) or Tramadol, with my preference being the
   buprenorphine, as it is both easy to give, and to adjust dose-wise. It
   is often first prescribed at too high (in my opinion) a dose, but I have
   good luck with starting at a lower dose and working up to an amount that
   makes the cat comfortable but not loopy or groggy. Torb doesn't last
   very long.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Roadrunner Pharmacy

[Lorrie]

Lance,  Does Roadrunner Phar. require a prescription?

Lorrie


  On 05-19, Lance wrote:

 Thanks for your thoughts, Margo. I am so ready for the bupenorphine to get
 here, but it has to be compounded and shipped from Roadrunner Pharmacy.
 I'm not sure that my vet approves of me giving it to Ember now, but I
 convinced her that we needed it asap, as I didn't want Ember displaying
 severe pain on a Friday afternoon, and we'd have to wait for five days
 just to get what we need to deal with it.
 
 Lance
 
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[Felvtalk] Introduction

[Betheny Laubenthal]

Hi.  My name is Beth.  I run a feral cat rescue.  That's how I ended up
with Mozart, a 10 month old kitten.  April 18, I took him to a spay clinic
to get neutered, his rabies vaccination and for a Felv/FIV test.  He tested
positive for Felv.  It was recommended that he immediately be euthanized.
 I refused.
I contacted my vet.  She agreed with my decision to allow him to live out
his life.  She retested him May 17.  Again, he tested positive.  This
surprised me because he is a healthy cat.  No symptoms at all.  None of his
brothers tested positive.  His mom took off with his two sisters when he
was 5 weeks old.  Mom was feral.  Have not found her or the missing kittens.
My vet is awesome (which is great because my rescue takes in cats with
medical issues and behavioral issues as well as ferals that cannot stay
where they are).  That's a lot for me to say since I have a general
distrust of vets for various reasons.  Anyways, she is looking for another
felv cat for me to introduce to Mozart as a playmate.  Mozart is locked in
my bedroom.  Other cats in my home were tested.  They were negative.  We
are vaccinating with a 4 way vaccine with leukemia.  I am in the process of
ordering more vaccination-with and without leukemia.
I have him on a raw diet. Been raw feeding for over 3 years-not the least
bit concerned about bacteria.  I feel as if it is safe and beneficial to
feed Mozart this diet.
I am looking into this treatment for him:
http://tcyte.com/cat-owner-information/

Anyone have any luck with it?  Anyone hear of it?  Does anyone have any
advice they can give to me?  Also, what about vaccines?  I am concerned
about the increase chance of vaccine related sarcomas.
Thank you!
--Beth Laubenthal
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Re: [Felvtalk] Roadrunner Pharmacy

[Lance]

Yes, the vet must get things set up with them, then they'll contact you for 
payment information. 

On May 20, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote:

 Lance,  Does Roadrunner Phar. require a prescription?
 
 Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] Ketoprofen, metacam and prednisone

[Margo]

Here are some articles regarding the use of ketoprofen in cats 
(and dogs). Any drug may have risks, but in some cases, one needs to weigh risk 
vs. benefit. I am by no means suggesting the use of ketoprofen for anyone 
else's cats, but t has been a blessing for me. I have only used it short term, 
not for the management of chronic pain. 

For my FeLV Gribble, it was given to manage an intractable 
fever of unknown origin. 

http://www.drugs.com/vet/nvketoprofen-tablets-5-mg-can.html

http://www.vetinfo.com/feline-arthritis-pain-management-ketofen-cats.html

http://veterinaryrecord.bmj.com/content/143/7/185.abstract

I have only used the injectible.

HTH,

Margo


-Original Message-
From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com
Sent: May 20, 2013 12:16 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ketoprofen, metacam and prednisone

Ketoprofen is what I take for arthritis and it really helps. I had no
idea a cat could take this.  It is in the Ibuprofen family I believe and 
I thought this as well as Tylenol (Acetaphenomen) would kill a cat.

Lorrie

On 05-19, Margo wrote:

   While I've never had a problem with metacam, I refuse it when possible.
   When Gribble was first diagnosed as FeLV positive, his fever was very
   high, an we neeed an anti-inflammatory. I chose Ketoprofen, and we had
   good results. It was used for 5 days. For pain, I'd suggest
   buprenorphine (Buprenex) or Tramadol, with my preference being the
   buprenorphine, as it is both easy to give, and to adjust dose-wise. It
   is often first prescribed at too high (in my opinion) a dose, but I have
   good luck with starting at a lower dose and working up to an amount that
   makes the cat comfortable but not loopy or groggy. Torb doesn't last
   very long.
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction

[Margo]

Hi Beth,

Welcome, but sorry you have to be here.Just have time for a quick note, but I'll be back later when I have a bit more time. As for the vaccines, I have chosen to go with the Merial recombinant FeLV vaccine, and i'll link to some articles which will help explain why. If you go back to fanciers and search for rFeLV, you should get Stephanie's amazing discussions...Oh! I saved it G

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fanciershealth/message/141570

 I'm in the same situation, but I just get more confused as I learn more. Warning, if you try to but the vaccine yourself, it's VERY expensive. Through a Vet it seems to be much less.

HTH,

Margo

-Original Message- From: Betheny Laubenthal Sent: May 20, 2013 2:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction 
Hi. My name is Beth. I run a feral cat rescue. That's how I ended up with Mozart, a 10 month old kitten. April 18, I took him to a spay clinic to get neutered, his rabies vaccination and for a Felv/FIV test. He tested positive for Felv. It was recommended that he immediately be euthanized. I refused.

I contacted my vet. She agreed with my decision to allow him to live out his life. She retested him May 17. Again, he tested positive. This surprised me because he is a healthy cat. No symptoms at all. None of his brothers tested positive. His mom took off with his two sisters when he was 5 weeks old. Mom was feral. Have not found her or the missing kittens.
My vet is awesome (which is great because my rescue takes in cats with medical issues and behavioral issues as well as ferals that cannot stay where they are). That's a lot for me to say since I have a general distrust of vets for various reasons. Anyways, she is looking for another felv cat for me to introduce to Mozart as a playmate. Mozart is locked in my bedroom. Other cats in my home were tested. They were negative. We are vaccinating with a 4 way vaccine with leukemia. I am in the process of ordering more vaccination-with and without leukemia.
I have him on a raw diet. Been raw feeding for over 3 years-not the least bit concerned about bacteria. I feel as if it is safe and beneficial to feed Mozart this diet.
I am looking into this treatment for him:
http://tcyte.com/cat-owner-information/

Anyone have any luck with it? Anyone hear of it? Does anyone have any advice they can give to me? Also, what about vaccines? I am concerned about the increase chance of vaccine related sarcomas.
Thank you!
--Beth Laubenthal

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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction

[Amanda K. Payne]

Hi Beth,

I, too, looked into LTCI from Tcyte when I found out my ten month old
kitten, Polli, was FeLV+.  We have a vet and a very experienced vet tech,
both of which work in cat only clinics, in the family.  When I asked for
their opinions, neither one of them had heard of LTCI but said it a very
specialized and new medication and wanted me to give feedback if I decided
to use it on Polli.  I also talked to several (at least ten) vets in the
Los Angeles area as well as a cat rescue operator and a scientist from
Tycte laboratories.  They all gave the medication rave reviews. However,
each person told me that it works better in cats who contract the disease
(over the age of 2) than kittens who are either born with it or contract it
at an early age.  The operator of the cat rescue said that each of the
FeLV+ kittens they treated succumbed to complications from the disease
before the age of one (the average mortality rate for positive kittens).
 With adult cats, they even had one seroconvert after treating it with
LTCI!  So, from my research, it works well in cats but the results aren't
promising in kittens.

Keep in mind, though, that the medication reportedly has no side effects
and I haven't read about any either.  Because of that, treating Mozart with
LTCI may be an option you choose to explore.  If you want to survey vets
like I did, Tcyte has a link on their website that shows the names and
locations of vets who have used it in the area you live.  If you do decided
to use it, it can cost anywhere from $40 to $120 a shot.  The typical
protocol is a shot each day for a week then one shot a week for four weeks
followed by a shot every four to six weeks.  The vets also have to do blood
work regularly.  For these reasons, I chose not to treat Polli.  I didn't
want to stress her out for her remaining time on earth especially since
there isn't much success treating kittens with LTCI.

Sorry, I know this may not be the sort of information you're looking for
but I just wanted to share my research with you. If you do decided to use
LTCI, please document your experiences.  I know there are many cat owners
and vets who are curious about this medication.

Best,
-Amanda


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netwrote:


  Hi Beth,



Welcome, but sorry you have to be here. Just have time for a
 quick note, but I'll be back later when I have a bit more time. As for the
 vaccines, I have chosen to go with the Merial recombinant FeLV vaccine, and
 i'll link to some articles which will help explain why. If you go back to
 fanciers and search for rFeLV, you should get Stephanie's amazing
 discussions...Oh! I saved it G



 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fanciershealth/message/141570



  I'm in the same situation, but I just get more confused as I
 learn more. Warning, if you try to but the vaccine yourself, it's VERY
 expensive. Through a Vet it seems to be much less.



 HTH,



 Margo



 -Original Message-
 From: Betheny Laubenthal **
 Sent: May 20, 2013 2:37 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Introduction

 Hi.  My name is Beth.  I run a feral cat rescue.  That's how I ended up
 with Mozart, a 10 month old kitten.  April 18, I took him to a spay clinic
 to get neutered, his rabies vaccination and for a Felv/FIV test.  He tested
 positive for Felv.  It was recommended that he immediately be euthanized.
  I refused.
 I contacted my vet.  She agreed with my decision to allow him to live out
 his life.  She retested him May 17.  Again, he tested positive.  This
 surprised me because he is a healthy cat.  No symptoms at all.  None of his
 brothers tested positive.  His mom took off with his two sisters when he
 was 5 weeks old.  Mom was feral.  Have not found her or the missing kittens.
 My vet is awesome (which is great because my rescue takes in cats with
 medical issues and behavioral issues as well as ferals that cannot stay
 where they are).  That's a lot for me to say since I have a general
 distrust of vets for various reasons.  Anyways, she is looking for another
 felv cat for me to introduce to Mozart as a playmate.  Mozart is locked in
 my bedroom.  Other cats in my home were tested.  They were negative.  We
 are vaccinating with a 4 way vaccine with leukemia.  I am in the process of
 ordering more vaccination-with and without leukemia.
 I have him on a raw diet. Been raw feeding for over 3 years-not the least
 bit concerned about bacteria.  I feel as if it is safe and beneficial to
 feed Mozart this diet.
 I am looking into this treatment for him:
 http://tcyte.com/cat-owner-information/

 Anyone have any luck with it?  Anyone hear of it?  Does anyone have any
 advice they can give to me?  Also, what about vaccines?  I am concerned
 about the increase chance of vaccine related sarcomas.
 Thank you!
 --Beth Laubenthal


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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction

[Betheny Laubenthal]

Thank you.  I love that group!  Stephanie is wonderful!  Thank you for the
link.
As for vaccinating, I order two different vaccines: with and without-4
ways.  I found a cheaper source.  From a vet catalog.  Local pet store-the
owner is a vet tech and she offers vaccinations at her store.  Running a
cat rescue, I cannot afford to have the vet vaccinate the 30 cats we have
in our care.  We're foster based.
With Mozart, I just want the best for him.  I still have a hard time
accepting that he has feline leukemia.  At least now I know it is not a
death sentence.
My vet is research T-Cyte therapy for me.  She never heard of it.  I hope
it can be of use for Mozart.

--Beth


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.netwrote:


  Hi Beth,



Welcome, but sorry you have to be here. Just have time for a
 quick note, but I'll be back later when I have a bit more time. As for the
 vaccines, I have chosen to go with the Merial recombinant FeLV vaccine, and
 i'll link to some articles which will help explain why. If you go back to
 fanciers and search for rFeLV, you should get Stephanie's amazing
 discussions...Oh! I saved it G



 http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fanciershealth/message/141570



  I'm in the same situation, but I just get more confused as I
 learn more. Warning, if you try to but the vaccine yourself, it's VERY
 expensive. Through a Vet it seems to be much less.



 HTH,



 Margo


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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction

[Betheny Laubenthal]

Amanda (and everyone else),
Have you heard of RetroMAD1?  A friend of mine suggested it.
http://blog.lepak.com/2011/02/au-tests-retromad1-new-wonder-drug.html
Maybe I'm grasping at straws, but I cannot give up without a good fight.
 There has got to be something that works.

--Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction

[Amanda K. Payne]

Yes!  I actually have heard of RetroMAD1.  I believe it's currently only
available in Malaysia and is still in the trial stages.  It sounds very
promising but would be rather difficult to get ahold of in the States... if
you're in the States, of course.  Like LTCI, there isn't a lot of
scientifically backed research on it. Yet.  They are both newer medications
and funding for research and trials is very limited.  Unfortunately, if
there isn't a lot of money to be made from it, the research gets dismal
funding.


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Betheny Laubenthal 
bailleyspetc...@gmail.com wrote:

 Amanda (and everyone else),
 Have you heard of RetroMAD1?  A friend of mine suggested it.
 http://blog.lepak.com/2011/02/au-tests-retromad1-new-wonder-drug.html
 Maybe I'm grasping at straws, but I cannot give up without a good fight.
  There has got to be something that works.

 --Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction

[Margo]

Hi Beth,

 I ran a rescue for 30+ years, so I understand about the expense of "Vet" vaccinating. I still buy mine (usually thru KVVet) for the sanctuary cats, but ran into expense problems with the Merial recombinant FeLV vaccine. My Vet used it previously, but the owner changed to a standard killed FeL. I wanted the rFeLV to avoid the problem of possible feline injection site sarcoma, as the one I was most concerned about is three legged. In his case he can't afford a problem in another leg. I found it two places, where they run around $500 for a flat of twenty-five, so $20 per dose. My Vet went to another clinic, and got them for me for $12 each. That's why I suggested going thru your Vet, if s/he has a Merial account, it should be cheaper still. Now that I just take occasional kittens (8 right now) and have no local 501c3 affiliation, I have my Vet o the vaccinating, so it can be documented. Cost is high, but if I want them to get good homes, it's needed.

 I have also looked into the T-cyte, but Gribble also is young, so I went elsewhere. I'm now re-thinking that, but for now, we're using Interferon. 

All the best

Margo

-Original Message- From: Betheny Laubenthal Sent: May 20, 2013 4:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introduction 
Thank you. I love that group! Stephanie is wonderful! Thank you for the link.
As for vaccinating, I order two different vaccines: with and without-4 ways. I found a cheaper source. From a vet catalog. Local pet store-the owner is a vet tech and she offers vaccinations at her store. Running a cat rescue, I cannot afford to have the vet vaccinate the 30 cats we have in our care. We're foster based.
With Mozart, I just want the best for him. I still have a hard time accepting that he has feline leukemia. At least now I know it is not a death sentence.
My vet is research T-Cyte therapy for me. She never heard of it. I hope it can be of use for Mozart.

--Beth

On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote:



Hi Beth,

Welcome, but sorry you have to be here.Just have time for a quick note, but I'll be back later when I have a bit more time. As for the vaccines, I have chosen to go with the Merial recombinant FeLV vaccine, and i'll link to some articles which will help explain why. If you go back to fanciers and search for rFeLV, you should get Stephanie's amazing discussions...Oh! I saved it G

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/fanciershealth/message/141570

 I'm in the same situation, but I just get more confused as I learn more. Warning, if you try to but the vaccine yourself, it's VERY expensive. Through a Vet it seems to be much less.

HTH,

Margo


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