Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Nancy

I will answer the questions I can.


1.  You can use Epogen or Darbeopoetin to increase red cell production but 
I have no direct experience with either. However, first, I think that the 
Winstrol acts on the precursor cells in the bone marrow that produce red cells, 
white cells and platelets, and that is why all these cell lines respond to the 
Winstrol – not just red cell production. Secondly, if the FeLV has had its 
effect on the bone marrow, making it hypocellular. It is theorized that the 
virus blocks the stem cells in the bone marrow and they therefore cannot 
differentiate into the various cell components of blood (white cells, red 
cells, platelets). If that has happened, then no amount of erythropoietin-type 
derivatives will help since erythropoietin is produced in the renal adrenal 
glands and the erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce red cells but 
the bone marrow cannot because it has been left depleted of the precursor cells 
that make the red cells. The problem with erythropoietin mimics is also that 
the body stops producing its own erythropoietin if it detects enough 
circulating in the system, so you may end up causing a worse situation by 
actually depressing natural erythropoietin production. You don’t get any of 
those problems with the WInstrol.

2.  No – Winstrol doesn’t cause the body to respond by producing antibodies 
against the medication.

3.  Yes – the 1 mg tablets, 2 times a day, are for cats of all weights. If 
it is a very small kitten, you could try 0.5 mg 2 times a day though I never 
found it necessary to use such a low dose. If the cat is in really bad shape 
and you need to “jump start” the process quickly (eg – severe anemia, 
significantly reduced appetite, difficulty breathing because of the anemia), I 
would start with 2 mg 2 times a day until you start getting a response, either 
with improved appetite or lab results show an increase in red cell or other 
cell line counts.

4.  I am not sure if there is a question here.

5.  I don’t think Winstrol causes itching – not in my experience in any 
event.

6.  Definitely, if she has worms, they are a drain on her system and 
certain worms drop red cell counts but I don’t think round worms do that (but I 
haven’t checked into that recently).

7.  A slight temperature is okay for a while but it is the rest of the 
stuff that comes with the temperature, like loss of appetite and lethargy, 
which you have to watch for.

I hope some of this helps.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: November-30-15 7:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

Lance, a friend told me about this test.  Hardy RL. She told me to have the vet 
take it as it will tell what stage she is in.  Takes about 10 days to get 
results.  Maybe it goes by another name?  Ironically, the vet took it on her 
own.  I never had to ask for it.  I have messaged my friend to find out more.

Also, Lance, I wanted to let you know that I am the founder and Admin of FELINE 
CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE  (all caps) on Facebook.  I have almost 1, 670 members.  
I can certainly help out here with those whose cats have this problem too.

I have many questions.  Hope you don't mind, as I am in learning stages. So 
here I go:

1)  I see Winstrol listed as the primary treatment for anemia.  Can you also 
use Epogen or Darbeopoetin?

2)   Can one develop antibodies with Winstrol?  I have heard of this med,  but 
don't know much about it

3)  Also, I see you recommend 1 mg tablets.  Is this for cats of all weights?

4)  Kit has fleas.  I put Advantage II for kittens on her yesterday.She seems 
to be itching a bit more.  Unless it's my paranoid self.  I have heard alot 
about the Hemobart test, but I don't think she is infested.  Will have a good 
look though.

5)  Could FeLV cause itching?

6)  She also has round worms, which I gave her a dewormer 2 days ago.  Could 
this bring blood work down?

7) Her temp is holding around 101.2  ~  102.2.  This is ok?  She is no longer 
on Onsior.

I am doing alot of reading now and hope you don't mind all the questions, as 
I'm sure I will have more


Thx, Lance.

Nancy





-Original Message-
From: Lance mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm>>
To: felvtalk mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2015 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit
Hi Nancy,

I’m not sure about the nodes. I guess it depends on what is causing the 
swelling.

I’ve never heard of the Hardy RL test and a brief google didn’t yield results 
related to FeLV. What kind of test is it?

Lance

On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:32 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:

Kit's fever is gone.  No longer on Onsior.  Still taking Clavamox, Orabax, and 
getting fluids.  Last blood work was improved.
WBCs  from 4.34 to 5.25
HCT  from 20% to 22%
PLT  from 3000 to 24000
Neutrophils from 651 to 2500

Her nodes are still swollen.  Will they

Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

[Lance]

I’m pretty sure that everyone on FeLV-Talk knows more about Winstrol than I do. 
I hope someone else will take a look at those questions.

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 6:18 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> 5)  Could FeLV cause itching?

My own experience says “maybe”. Since it affects the immune system, it might 
mean that FeLV+ cats are more prone to immune reactions. My Ember had allergies 
(usually manifesting as lots of sneezing) at different points in the year for 
the last six or so years of her life.

> 6)  She also has round worms, which I gave her a dewormer 2 days ago.  Could 
> this bring blood work down?

Not sure. I wouldn’t think it would cause any profound effects, but we take 
things like that for granted in FeLV- cats feeling that they can bounce back 
from temporary changes. I always fretted over Ember’s WBC.

> 
> 7) Her temp is holding around 101.2  ~  102.2.  This is ok?  She is no longer 
> on Onsior.

Normal temp for cats is from 100.5 to 102.5 degrees, so that sounds good!

> I am doing alot of reading now and hope you don't mind all the questions, as 
> I'm sure I will have more
> 

Keep the questions coming! This group is filled with knowledgeable people. I’ve 
learned so much from being a member. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

[gidget43]

Amani,  Guilt is part of grieving!  We all feel that.  She knew how much you 
loved her and still do.  She is never that far away.  Like I always say, when 
one passes, another star is added to the sky watching over us until we meet 
again.  Don't be hard on yourself.  Love means everything!   


Nancy




-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2015 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv



 
Thanks Nancy. Aphrodite was a cat like no other, and she was only 10 when she 
died. It nearly killed me that she had been absolutely fine and it was a bloody 
infection from taking her in for her annual check-up that did her in. I picked 
her up on the side of the highway one day and she was just the most snuggliest 
cat I have ever ever had. I was plagued with all kinds of guilt after her death 
because she used to come up to our faces when we were sleeping in bed, and if 
you didn’t pretend to be asleep, she would smoosh at your face and purr and 
drool and generally not let you breathe or sleep. But, oh my lord, I was just 
so heartbroken that I had pretended to be asleep so often instead of welcoming 
her adoring love.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: November-30-15 6:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv
 
Amani,  So very sorry for your loss!  Nancy 

-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2015 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv


I think that the last set of lab results had poor Aphrodite’s creatinine at 
1094 and her urea at 113.2.

 

Amani

 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of Marsha
Sent: November-27-15 9:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv


 


How high was Aphrodite's creatinine level?  Peaches' WBC had been scary low 5 
days before I took her in for support over the weekend.  Tried clavamox and 
orbax for preventive reasons to tide her over the low point, but both made her 
feel ill.  They gave her enrofloxacin at the university, in case a kidney 
infection had taken hold, but no way to know.  I considered a necropsy of at 
least her kidneys, but opted out for a couple of reasons: 1) they wouldn't sew 
her back up, and I would not be allowed to directly pick up her remains, the 
cremation place would have to pick them up. I would have no say in asking that 
they treat her remains with respect while doing the necropsy.;  2) the 
information would be for me only, not put in a database anywhere where it could 
help others or expand the body of knowledge of outcomes of her very rare 
multiple myeloma.  If it's not part of an official study, they don't care.  
That really irks me.  That should be a given, that they would want to find out 
what happened.  There is very little literature on multiple myeloma in cats, 
and its treatments and outcomes.  DUH, I wonder why.  NOT.  Here they have this 
perfect opportunity to gain valuable knowledge, but there's no money attached, 
so they are done.  

Marsha

On 11/27/2015 8:09 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:


Marsha

 

At 2 mg a day, a person would need a whole lot of vet pills to use on 
themselves. The normal dose for humans is 10 to 12 mg a day, and athletes use 
it at way higher levels to enhance performance. In any event, I would think 
that a vet could reassure themselves by just limiting the number of pills given 
over to a client to 50 or so at a time unless the vet knows the client very 
well, as mine do. Winstrol would hardly be the only vet medication that could 
be abused or sold if someone was of a mind to do that.

 

Zander was the only FeLV cat I have had, that I knew about anyway. I wouldn’t 
be so adamant about the Winstrol if it hadn’t been for my serial blood testing 
throughout the time I was treating Zander, first with other treatments and then 
with Winstrol. The Winstrol was absolutely tied to his steady rise in red cell, 
haematocrit, platelets, and retic count and whenever I stopped for a time, his 
results would tumble.

 

However, I have mentioned on a few occasions that I used the Winstrol on a cat 
with nasal sarcoma who was 16. Again, I had tried a number of other medications 
and treatments for her to keep her eating and to keep the mucous being 
profusely produced by the sarcoma, under control. She underwent radiation 
therapy, and the vet who was looking after her at the time was amazed at how 
well the Winstrol worked to keep her eating, and keep the mucous production 
reduced, and commented that the cats are often lost because of loss of 
appetite, both with this condition and with the radiation therapy. She lived 
for 3 more years with the sarcoma.

 

I used it on a kitten who had come from a feral colony, who was very very ill – 

Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

[gidget43]

Lance, a friend told me about this test.  Hardy RL. She told me to have the vet 
take it as it will tell what stage she is in.  Takes about 10 days to get 
results.  Maybe it goes by another name?  Ironically, the vet took it on her 
own.  I never had to ask for it.  I have messaged my friend to find out more. 


Also, Lance, I wanted to let you know that I am the founder and Admin of FELINE 
CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE  (all caps) on Facebook.  I have almost 1, 670 members.  
I can certainly help out here with those whose cats have this problem too.  


I have many questions.  Hope you don't mind, as I am in learning stages. So 
here I go:


1)  I see Winstrol listed as the primary treatment for anemia.  Can you also 
use Epogen or Darbeopoetin?  


2)   Can one develop antibodies with Winstrol?  I have heard of this med,  but 
don't know much about it  


3)  Also, I see you recommend 1 mg tablets.  Is this for cats of all weights?


4)  Kit has fleas.  I put Advantage II for kittens on her yesterday.She seems 
to be itching a bit more.  Unless it's my paranoid self.  I have heard alot 
about the Hemobart test, but I don't think she is infested.  Will have a good 
look though.  


5)  Could FeLV cause itching?


6)  She also has round worms, which I gave her a dewormer 2 days ago.  Could 
this bring blood work down?


7) Her temp is holding around 101.2  ~  102.2.  This is ok?  She is no longer 
on Onsior.


I am doing alot of reading now and hope you don't mind all the questions, as 
I'm sure I will have more
 


Thx, Lance.


Nancy











-Original Message-
From: Lance 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2015 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit



Hi Nancy,


I’m not sure about the nodes. I guess it depends on what is causing the 
swelling. 


I’ve never heard of the Hardy RL test and a brief google didn’t yield results 
related to FeLV. What kind of test is it? 


Lance



On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:32 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:


Kit's fever is gone.  No longer on Onsior.  Still taking Clavamox, Orabax, and 
getting fluids.  Last blood work was improved.
WBCs  from 4.34 to 5.25
HCT  from 20% to 22%
PLT  from 3000 to 24000
Neutrophils from 651 to 2500


Her nodes are still swollen.  Will they ever come down?  We still have at least 
a week and a half of ABs, but was just
wondering.  She is still playing, and eating very well.


Waiting for the Hardy RL test.  Does that determine what stage?  


Thank you!   


Nancy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

[Amani Oakley]

Thanks Nancy. Aphrodite was a cat like no other, and she was only 10 when she 
died. It nearly killed me that she had been absolutely fine and it was a bloody 
infection from taking her in for her annual check-up that did her in. I picked 
her up on the side of the highway one day and she was just the most snuggliest 
cat I have ever ever had. I was plagued with all kinds of guilt after her death 
because she used to come up to our faces when we were sleeping in bed, and if 
you didn’t pretend to be asleep, she would smoosh at your face and purr and 
drool and generally not let you breathe or sleep. But, oh my lord, I was just 
so heartbroken that I had pretended to be asleep so often instead of welcoming 
her adoring love.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: November-30-15 6:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

Amani,  So very sorry for your loss!  Nancy
-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>
To: felvtalk mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>>
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2015 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv
I think that the last set of lab results had poor Aphrodite’s creatinine at 
1094 and her urea at 113.2.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Marsha
Sent: November-27-15 9:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

How high was Aphrodite's creatinine level?  Peaches' WBC had been scary low 5 
days before I took her in for support over the weekend.  Tried clavamox and 
orbax for preventive reasons to tide her over the low point, but both made her 
feel ill.  They gave her enrofloxacin at the university, in case a kidney 
infection had taken hold, but no way to know.  I considered a necropsy of at 
least her kidneys, but opted out for a couple of reasons: 1) they wouldn't sew 
her back up, and I would not be allowed to directly pick up her remains, the 
cremation place would have to pick them up. I would have no say in asking that 
they treat her remains with respect while doing the necropsy.;  2) the 
information would be for me only, not put in a database anywhere where it could 
help others or expand the body of knowledge of outcomes of her very rare 
multiple myeloma.  If it's not part of an official study, they don't care.  
That really irks me.  That should be a given, that they would want to find out 
what happened.  There is very little literature on multiple myeloma in cats, 
and its treatments and outcomes.  DUH, I wonder why.  NOT.  Here they have this 
perfect opportunity to gain valuable knowledge, but there's no money attached, 
so they are done.

Marsha

On 11/27/2015 8:09 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
Marsha

At 2 mg a day, a person would need a whole lot of vet pills to use on 
themselves. The normal dose for humans is 10 to 12 mg a day, and athletes use 
it at way higher levels to enhance performance. In any event, I would think 
that a vet could reassure themselves by just limiting the number of pills given 
over to a client to 50 or so at a time unless the vet knows the client very 
well, as mine do. Winstrol would hardly be the only vet medication that could 
be abused or sold if someone was of a mind to do that.

Zander was the only FeLV cat I have had, that I knew about anyway. I wouldn’t 
be so adamant about the Winstrol if it hadn’t been for my serial blood testing 
throughout the time I was treating Zander, first with other treatments and then 
with Winstrol. The Winstrol was absolutely tied to his steady rise in red cell, 
haematocrit, platelets, and retic count and whenever I stopped for a time, his 
results would tumble.

However, I have mentioned on a few occasions that I used the Winstrol on a cat 
with nasal sarcoma who was 16. Again, I had tried a number of other medications 
and treatments for her to keep her eating and to keep the mucous being 
profusely produced by the sarcoma, under control. She underwent radiation 
therapy, and the vet who was looking after her at the time was amazed at how 
well the Winstrol worked to keep her eating, and keep the mucous production 
reduced, and commented that the cats are often lost because of loss of 
appetite, both with this condition and with the radiation therapy. She lived 
for 3 more years with the sarcoma.

I used it on a kitten who had come from a feral colony, who was very very ill – 
running eyes, nose, incredibly high temperature, not eating, laboured 
breathing, swollen belly, with a number of others from her colony being 
diagnosed with FIP and dying. I had her on a number of things for a while, like 
antibiotics, prednisolone, fluid therapy, etc. and was not getting a

Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

[Lance]

Hi Nancy,

I’m not sure about the nodes. I guess it depends on what is causing the 
swelling. 

I’ve never heard of the Hardy RL test and a brief google didn’t yield results 
related to FeLV. What kind of test is it? 

Lance

> On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:32 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Kit's fever is gone.  No longer on Onsior.  Still taking Clavamox, Orabax, 
> and getting fluids.  Last blood work was improved.
> WBCs  from 4.34 to 5.25
> HCT  from 20% to 22%
> PLT  from 3000 to 24000
> Neutrophils from 651 to 2500
> 
> Her nodes are still swollen.  Will they ever come down?  We still have at 
> least a week and a half of ABs, but was just
> wondering.  She is still playing, and eating very well.
> 
> Waiting for the Hardy RL test.  Does that determine what stage?  
> 
> Thank you!   
> 
> Nancy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

[gidget43]

Amani,  So very sorry for your loss!  Nancy 



-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2015 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv



I think that the last set of lab results had poor Aphrodite’s creatinine at 
1094 and her urea at 113.2.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of Marsha
Sent: November-27-15 9:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

 

How high was Aphrodite's creatinine level?  Peaches' WBC had been scary low 5 
days before I took her in for support over the weekend.  Tried clavamox and 
orbax for preventive reasons to tide her over the low point, but both made her 
feel ill.  They gave her enrofloxacin at the university, in case a kidney 
infection had taken hold, but no way to know.  I considered a necropsy of at 
least her kidneys, but opted out for a couple of reasons: 1) they wouldn't sew 
her back up, and I would not be allowed to directly pick up her remains, the 
cremation place would have to pick them up. I would have no say in asking that 
they treat her remains with respect while doing the necropsy.;  2) the 
information would be for me only, not put in a database anywhere where it could 
help others or expand the body of knowledge of outcomes of her very rare 
multiple myeloma.  If it's not part of an official study, they don't care.  
That really irks me.  That should be a given, that they would want to find out 
what happened.  There is very little literature on multiple myeloma in cats, 
and its treatments and outcomes.  DUH, I wonder why.  NOT.  Here they have this 
perfect opportunity to gain valuable knowledge, but there's no money attached, 
so they are done. 

Marsha

On 11/27/2015 8:09 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Marsha
 
At 2 mg a day, a person would need a whole lot of vet pills to use on 
themselves. The normal dose for humans is 10 to 12 mg a day, and athletes use 
it at way higher levels to enhance performance. In any event, I would think 
that a vet could reassure themselves by just limiting the number of pills given 
over to a client to 50 or so at a time unless the vet knows the client very 
well, as mine do. Winstrol would hardly be the only vet medication that could 
be abused or sold if someone was of a mind to do that.
 
Zander was the only FeLV cat I have had, that I knew about anyway. I wouldn’t 
be so adamant about the Winstrol if it hadn’t been for my serial blood testing 
throughout the time I was treating Zander, first with other treatments and then 
with Winstrol. The Winstrol was absolutely tied to his steady rise in red cell, 
haematocrit, platelets, and retic count and whenever I stopped for a time, his 
results would tumble.
 
However, I have mentioned on a few occasions that I used the Winstrol on a cat 
with nasal sarcoma who was 16. Again, I had tried a number of other medications 
and treatments for her to keep her eating and to keep the mucous being 
profusely produced by the sarcoma, under control. She underwent radiation 
therapy, and the vet who was looking after her at the time was amazed at how 
well the Winstrol worked to keep her eating, and keep the mucous production 
reduced, and commented that the cats are often lost because of loss of 
appetite, both with this condition and with the radiation therapy. She lived 
for 3 more years with the sarcoma.
 
I used it on a kitten who had come from a feral colony, who was very very ill – 
running eyes, nose, incredibly high temperature, not eating, laboured 
breathing, swollen belly, with a number of others from her colony being 
diagnosed with FIP and dying. I had her on a number of things for a while, like 
antibiotics, prednisolone, fluid therapy, etc. and was not getting any good 
response until I added the Winstrol. Within days, she began to eat, play, her 
nose and eyes stopped running, her belly deflated and she was left with some 
laboured breathing but nothing else.
 
I used it on a kitten who had been given to me because he was considered to 
have a touch of the “wobbles” – thought to maybe be some cerebellar hypoplasia. 
Instead of that, I noted that his anal sphincter didn’t seem to be working 
properly – it was “relaxed” and stool not properly formed and “falling out” and 
problems urinating (wrong places, but also retention and crying when he went 
into the litter box). In humans, these symptoms are consistent with cauda 
equina syndrome, which is the result of damage to the nerves in the lower part 
of the spine. Then my husband and I noticed that he carried his tail straight 
out and didn’t seem to be able to lift it straight up and there was a large 
bump at the base of his tail. I took him in to the vet – surprise – there was 
nothing they could recommend because the apparent spinal injury wasn’t 
significant enough to show on xray. I put him on Winstrol, and a very short 
time after that (2-3 

[Felvtalk] Kit

[gidget43]

Kit's fever is gone.  No longer on Onsior.  Still taking Clavamox, Orabax, and 
getting fluids.  Last blood work was improved.
WBCs  from 4.34 to 5.25
HCT  from 20% to 22%
PLT  from 3000 to 24000
Neutrophils from 651 to 2500


Her nodes are still swollen.  Will they ever come down?  We still have at least 
a week and a half of ABs, but was just
wondering.  She is still playing, and eating very well.


Waiting for the Hardy RL test.  Does that determine what stage?  


Thank you!   


Nancy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

[Amani Oakley]

I think that the last set of lab results had poor Aphrodite's creatinine at 
1094 and her urea at 113.2.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
Sent: November-27-15 9:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

How high was Aphrodite's creatinine level?  Peaches' WBC had been scary low 5 
days before I took her in for support over the weekend.  Tried clavamox and 
orbax for preventive reasons to tide her over the low point, but both made her 
feel ill.  They gave her enrofloxacin at the university, in case a kidney 
infection had taken hold, but no way to know.  I considered a necropsy of at 
least her kidneys, but opted out for a couple of reasons: 1) they wouldn't sew 
her back up, and I would not be allowed to directly pick up her remains, the 
cremation place would have to pick them up. I would have no say in asking that 
they treat her remains with respect while doing the necropsy.;  2) the 
information would be for me only, not put in a database anywhere where it could 
help others or expand the body of knowledge of outcomes of her very rare 
multiple myeloma.  If it's not part of an official study, they don't care.  
That really irks me.  That should be a given, that they would want to find out 
what happened.  There is very little literature on multiple myeloma in cats, 
and its treatments and outcomes.  DUH, I wonder why.  NOT.  Here they have this 
perfect opportunity to gain valuable knowledge, but there's no money attached, 
so they are done.

Marsha

On 11/27/2015 8:09 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
Marsha

At 2 mg a day, a person would need a whole lot of vet pills to use on 
themselves. The normal dose for humans is 10 to 12 mg a day, and athletes use 
it at way higher levels to enhance performance. In any event, I would think 
that a vet could reassure themselves by just limiting the number of pills given 
over to a client to 50 or so at a time unless the vet knows the client very 
well, as mine do. Winstrol would hardly be the only vet medication that could 
be abused or sold if someone was of a mind to do that.

Zander was the only FeLV cat I have had, that I knew about anyway. I wouldn't 
be so adamant about the Winstrol if it hadn't been for my serial blood testing 
throughout the time I was treating Zander, first with other treatments and then 
with Winstrol. The Winstrol was absolutely tied to his steady rise in red cell, 
haematocrit, platelets, and retic count and whenever I stopped for a time, his 
results would tumble.

However, I have mentioned on a few occasions that I used the Winstrol on a cat 
with nasal sarcoma who was 16. Again, I had tried a number of other medications 
and treatments for her to keep her eating and to keep the mucous being 
profusely produced by the sarcoma, under control. She underwent radiation 
therapy, and the vet who was looking after her at the time was amazed at how 
well the Winstrol worked to keep her eating, and keep the mucous production 
reduced, and commented that the cats are often lost because of loss of 
appetite, both with this condition and with the radiation therapy. She lived 
for 3 more years with the sarcoma.

I used it on a kitten who had come from a feral colony, who was very very ill - 
running eyes, nose, incredibly high temperature, not eating, laboured 
breathing, swollen belly, with a number of others from her colony being 
diagnosed with FIP and dying. I had her on a number of things for a while, like 
antibiotics, prednisolone, fluid therapy, etc. and was not getting any good 
response until I added the Winstrol. Within days, she began to eat, play, her 
nose and eyes stopped running, her belly deflated and she was left with some 
laboured breathing but nothing else.

I used it on a kitten who had been given to me because he was considered to 
have a touch of the "wobbles" - thought to maybe be some cerebellar hypoplasia. 
Instead of that, I noted that his anal sphincter didn't seem to be working 
properly - it was "relaxed" and stool not properly formed and "falling out" and 
problems urinating (wrong places, but also retention and crying when he went 
into the litter box). In humans, these symptoms are consistent with cauda 
equina syndrome, which is the result of damage to the nerves in the lower part 
of the spine. Then my husband and I noticed that he carried his tail straight 
out and didn't seem to be able to lift it straight up and there was a large 
bump at the base of his tail. I took him in to the vet - surprise - there was 
nothing they could recommend because the apparent spinal injury wasn't 
significant enough to show on xray. I put him on Winstrol, and a very short 
time after that (2-3 weeks) his anal sphincter tightened up and his urinary 
control improved. We thought he was over whatever problem there was but we 
found that he would occasionally do something that would seem to reinjure his 
spine - eg -