Re: [Felvtalk] Follow-up questions for FeLv meds

[Ardy Robertson]

Good luck to you Molly (and Mia kitty). I lost my Tigger last year. He too was 
tested and found to be free of FeLV and FIV when he was a tiny kitten. I never 
had him outside, ever, but at 5-1/2 years he tested positive for FeLV. They 
said the test is not always accurate the the vaccine is not always effective. 
Anyway, I do believe Zander’s Protocol would have worked on him had I gotten 
him on it in time. Precious time was lost when my vets balked at using 
Winstrol, and then told me they were seeking a source when they had not even 
looked. Tigger improved so dramatically the testing lab re-did his bloodwork, 
thinking they had made a mistake. However, he was just too far gone before I 
got him started. If I ever have an FeLV positive cat again, I will get him on 
Zander’s Protocol immediately.

Ardy

 

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Mou
Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2017 10:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Follow-up questions for FeLv meds

 

Thank you all for the information for my Mia kitty. 

 

I have a few more questions for Amani concerning Zander's Protocol: 

 

doxycycline - Should a calculated dose be used based on weight of animal for 
this or is the dose that you give apply to all cats. Mia is a small girl - 
weighs 7 lbs. Also, how long should she be taking the meds. Is it the normal 
7-10 days to 2 weeks antibiotic regimen or longer?

Prednisolone - I assume this is the normal protocol for this drug - a loading 
dose with tapering doses.

winstrol - looks like this is taken until the hematocrit reaches near normal 
range. Then, should this be continued to maintain a normal level forever?

 

Thank you all again. I am grateful for your intelligent feedback and experience 
on this subject. I am at a loss since I have never had a FeLV cat in the many 
decades I've had the privilege of sharing my life with my cat companions.  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal Ca

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Whatever you are most comfortable Katherine is the choice you should 
make... I have NO idea how uncomfortable it would be for your guy to 
remain alive throughout the process...    I'm a bad judge of such things 
as I am WAY over the top in my inability to watch an animal fail   
When my last little guy was failing I had to Willfully stop from putting 
him down becuse _ I_ couldn't stand the pain of what was eventually 
coming  If he is able to live without apparent discomfort and life 
does not appear a burden to him then by all means... go with 
palliative..   I know too little about cancer treatment for cats to 
advise in another other direction


Bob


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[Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

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My sweet, dear 14 yo FeLV boy Krammer was just diagnosed with 
aggressive
nasal carcinoma. For the last 2 months, he has had a chronic 
nosebleed. It

started out small around Christmas, and since then his symptoms have
included daily sneezing fits, bloody nasal discharge from one side of 
his

nose, and the recent appearance of a small pink mass in one of
his nostrils which we thought was simply a polyp. We biopsied it last 
week,
and the results were not good. His mitotic indexes were high, with 
8-10 of

them being in the 10 fields.

Needless to say I'm devastated. It's hard to take, even when I've 
spent the
last 3 years half expecting something terrible every time we go to the 
vet.
:'( I'm talking to the vet later today for more information. My guess 
is
we'll opt for palliative care rather than radiation or chemotherapy, 
due to
his age, side effects, the rate of recurrence and my available 
finances,

but if anyone has suggestions, I'm happy to hear them out.

Katherine
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Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

[Amani Oakley]

I am just not certain about whether I had her on the Doxy as well. I may have, 
since the combination had worked so well with Zander, but I am not 100% sure. 
Strictly speaking, in that circumstance, I am not sure what the Doxy might add, 
but then again, I have no idea why the Winstrol/Prednisolone helped either.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Katherine K.
Sent: February-27-17 1:21 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

Thanks. I forgot to mention he's on antibiotic azithromycin at the moment, too.

Amani, is this the combination of meds you used for Kaitlin? "combination of 
Doxycycline (1/2 100 mg twice a day) plus Winstrol (1 mg x2 day) plus 
prednisone/prednisolone (1/2 5 mg tablet x2 a day)."

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
The Winstrol doesn’t cost much, at least where my vet sources it. It is maybe 
$1 a day (2 x 1 mg tablets).

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Katherine K.
Sent: February-27-17 1:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

Thanks Amani. How much did it cost? He's already on prednisolone daily.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Hi Katherine

I had a 16 year old cat who was diagnosed with an aggressive nasal sarcoma. I 
decided to treat it with radiation, but before that, I figured that with such a 
poor prognosis, I had little to lose trying other treatments (since none was 
suggested) and I put her on the Winstrol/Prednisolone combination. I don’t 
think I had her on the Doxycycline as well, but I may have.

Kaitlin did remarkably well on the pills. When I took her in for an assessment 
to determine if radiation would help, the head oncology vet (a good friend) 
told me that if we had succeeded in getting the response he had seen at that 
point in time, AFTER he had done the radiation, he would have assumed it was 
the radiation which had caused the improvement and considered the radiation 
treatment a solid success. There was significant shrinkage of the tumour using 
the Winstrol/Prednisolone treatment, and the tumour had been putting out vast 
amounts of very very thick mucous, and that got under control as well. She 
still underwent the radiation therapy and it may have helped, but honestly, I 
think the meds helped more. Plus, the tumour was right between her eyes, and 
when they aimed the instrument, some of the radiation hit one of her eyes, and 
caused some damage.

She was with me another 2 – 2 ½ years.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Katherine K.
Sent: February-27-17 11:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

My sweet, dear 14 yo FeLV boy Krammer was just diagnosed with aggressive nasal 
carcinoma. For the last 2 months, he has had a chronic nosebleed. It started 
out small around Christmas, and since then his symptoms have included daily 
sneezing fits, bloody nasal discharge from one side of his nose, and the recent 
appearance of a small pink mass in one of his nostrils which we thought was 
simply a polyp. We biopsied it last week, and the results were not good. His 
mitotic indexes were high, with 8-10 of them being in the 10 fields.

Needless to say I'm devastated. It's hard to take, even when I've spent the 
last 3 years half expecting something terrible every time we go to the vet. :'( 
I'm talking to the vet later today for more information. My guess is we'll opt 
for palliative care rather than radiation or chemotherapy, due to his age, side 
effects, the rate of recurrence and my available finances, but if anyone has 
suggestions, I'm happy to hear them out.

Katherine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

[Katherine K.]

Thanks Amani. How much did it cost? He's already on prednisolone daily.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> Hi Katherine
>
>
>
> I had a 16 year old cat who was diagnosed with an aggressive nasal
> sarcoma. I decided to treat it with radiation, but before that, I figured
> that with such a poor prognosis, I had little to lose trying other
> treatments (since none was suggested) and I put her on the
> Winstrol/Prednisolone combination. I don’t think I had her on the
> Doxycycline as well, but I may have.
>
>
>
> Kaitlin did remarkably well on the pills. When I took her in for an
> assessment to determine if radiation would help, the head oncology vet (a
> good friend) told me that if we had succeeded in getting the response he
> had seen at that point in time, AFTER he had done the radiation, he would
> have assumed it was the radiation which had caused the improvement and
> considered the radiation treatment a solid success. There was significant
> shrinkage of the tumour using the Winstrol/Prednisolone treatment, and the
> tumour had been putting out vast amounts of very very thick mucous, and
> that got under control as well. She still underwent the radiation therapy
> and it may have helped, but honestly, I think the meds helped more. Plus,
> the tumour was right between her eyes, and when they aimed the instrument,
> some of the radiation hit one of her eyes, and caused some damage.
>
>
>
> She was with me another 2 – 2 ½ years.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Katherine K.
> *Sent:* February-27-17 11:02 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(
>
>
>
> My sweet, dear 14 yo FeLV boy Krammer was just diagnosed with aggressive
> nasal carcinoma. For the last 2 months, he has had a chronic nosebleed. It
> started out small around Christmas, and since then his symptoms have
> included daily sneezing fits, bloody nasal discharge from one side of his
> nose, and the recent appearance of a small pink mass in one of
> his nostrils which we thought was simply a polyp. We biopsied it last week,
> and the results were not good. His mitotic indexes were high, with 8-10 of
> them being in the 10 fields.
>
>
>
> Needless to say I'm devastated. It's hard to take, even when I've spent
> the last 3 years half expecting something terrible every time we go to the
> vet. :'( I'm talking to the vet later today for more information. My guess
> is we'll opt for palliative care rather than radiation or chemotherapy, due
> to his age, side effects, the rate of recurrence and my available finances,
> but if anyone has suggestions, I'm happy to hear them out.
>
>
>
> Katherine
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

[Katherine K.]

Thanks. I forgot to mention he's on antibiotic azithromycin at the moment,
too.

Amani, is this the combination of meds you used for Kaitlin? "combination
of Doxycycline (1/2 100 mg twice a day) plus Winstrol (1 mg x2 day) plus
prednisone/prednisolone (1/2 5 mg tablet x2 a day)."

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:14 PM, Amani Oakley 
wrote:

> The Winstrol doesn’t cost much, at least where my vet sources it. It is
> maybe $1 a day (2 x 1 mg tablets).
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Katherine K.
> *Sent:* February-27-17 1:13 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(
>
>
>
> Thanks Amani. How much did it cost? He's already on prednisolone daily.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Katherine
>
>
>
> I had a 16 year old cat who was diagnosed with an aggressive nasal
> sarcoma. I decided to treat it with radiation, but before that, I figured
> that with such a poor prognosis, I had little to lose trying other
> treatments (since none was suggested) and I put her on the
> Winstrol/Prednisolone combination. I don’t think I had her on the
> Doxycycline as well, but I may have.
>
>
>
> Kaitlin did remarkably well on the pills. When I took her in for an
> assessment to determine if radiation would help, the head oncology vet (a
> good friend) told me that if we had succeeded in getting the response he
> had seen at that point in time, AFTER he had done the radiation, he would
> have assumed it was the radiation which had caused the improvement and
> considered the radiation treatment a solid success. There was significant
> shrinkage of the tumour using the Winstrol/Prednisolone treatment, and the
> tumour had been putting out vast amounts of very very thick mucous, and
> that got under control as well. She still underwent the radiation therapy
> and it may have helped, but honestly, I think the meds helped more. Plus,
> the tumour was right between her eyes, and when they aimed the instrument,
> some of the radiation hit one of her eyes, and caused some damage.
>
>
>
> She was with me another 2 – 2 ½ years.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Katherine K.
> *Sent:* February-27-17 11:02 AM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(
>
>
>
> My sweet, dear 14 yo FeLV boy Krammer was just diagnosed with aggressive
> nasal carcinoma. For the last 2 months, he has had a chronic nosebleed. It
> started out small around Christmas, and since then his symptoms have
> included daily sneezing fits, bloody nasal discharge from one side of his
> nose, and the recent appearance of a small pink mass in one of
> his nostrils which we thought was simply a polyp. We biopsied it last week,
> and the results were not good. His mitotic indexes were high, with 8-10 of
> them being in the 10 fields.
>
>
>
> Needless to say I'm devastated. It's hard to take, even when I've spent
> the last 3 years half expecting something terrible every time we go to the
> vet. :'( I'm talking to the vet later today for more information. My guess
> is we'll opt for palliative care rather than radiation or chemotherapy, due
> to his age, side effects, the rate of recurrence and my available finances,
> but if anyone has suggestions, I'm happy to hear them out.
>
>
>
> Katherine
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

[Amani Oakley]

The Winstrol doesn’t cost much, at least where my vet sources it. It is maybe 
$1 a day (2 x 1 mg tablets).

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Katherine K.
Sent: February-27-17 1:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

Thanks Amani. How much did it cost? He's already on prednisolone daily.

On Mon, Feb 27, 2017 at 1:11 PM, Amani Oakley 
mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote:
Hi Katherine

I had a 16 year old cat who was diagnosed with an aggressive nasal sarcoma. I 
decided to treat it with radiation, but before that, I figured that with such a 
poor prognosis, I had little to lose trying other treatments (since none was 
suggested) and I put her on the Winstrol/Prednisolone combination. I don’t 
think I had her on the Doxycycline as well, but I may have.

Kaitlin did remarkably well on the pills. When I took her in for an assessment 
to determine if radiation would help, the head oncology vet (a good friend) 
told me that if we had succeeded in getting the response he had seen at that 
point in time, AFTER he had done the radiation, he would have assumed it was 
the radiation which had caused the improvement and considered the radiation 
treatment a solid success. There was significant shrinkage of the tumour using 
the Winstrol/Prednisolone treatment, and the tumour had been putting out vast 
amounts of very very thick mucous, and that got under control as well. She 
still underwent the radiation therapy and it may have helped, but honestly, I 
think the meds helped more. Plus, the tumour was right between her eyes, and 
when they aimed the instrument, some of the radiation hit one of her eyes, and 
caused some damage.

She was with me another 2 – 2 ½ years.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Katherine K.
Sent: February-27-17 11:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

My sweet, dear 14 yo FeLV boy Krammer was just diagnosed with aggressive nasal 
carcinoma. For the last 2 months, he has had a chronic nosebleed. It started 
out small around Christmas, and since then his symptoms have included daily 
sneezing fits, bloody nasal discharge from one side of his nose, and the recent 
appearance of a small pink mass in one of his nostrils which we thought was 
simply a polyp. We biopsied it last week, and the results were not good. His 
mitotic indexes were high, with 8-10 of them being in the 10 fields.

Needless to say I'm devastated. It's hard to take, even when I've spent the 
last 3 years half expecting something terrible every time we go to the vet. :'( 
I'm talking to the vet later today for more information. My guess is we'll opt 
for palliative care rather than radiation or chemotherapy, due to his age, side 
effects, the rate of recurrence and my available finances, but if anyone has 
suggestions, I'm happy to hear them out.

Katherine

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Re: [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Katherine

I had a 16 year old cat who was diagnosed with an aggressive nasal sarcoma. I 
decided to treat it with radiation, but before that, I figured that with such a 
poor prognosis, I had little to lose trying other treatments (since none was 
suggested) and I put her on the Winstrol/Prednisolone combination. I don’t 
think I had her on the Doxycycline as well, but I may have.

Kaitlin did remarkably well on the pills. When I took her in for an assessment 
to determine if radiation would help, the head oncology vet (a good friend) 
told me that if we had succeeded in getting the response he had seen at that 
point in time, AFTER he had done the radiation, he would have assumed it was 
the radiation which had caused the improvement and considered the radiation 
treatment a solid success. There was significant shrinkage of the tumour using 
the Winstrol/Prednisolone treatment, and the tumour had been putting out vast 
amounts of very very thick mucous, and that got under control as well. She 
still underwent the radiation therapy and it may have helped, but honestly, I 
think the meds helped more. Plus, the tumour was right between her eyes, and 
when they aimed the instrument, some of the radiation hit one of her eyes, and 
caused some damage.

She was with me another 2 – 2 ½ years.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Katherine K.
Sent: February-27-17 11:02 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

My sweet, dear 14 yo FeLV boy Krammer was just diagnosed with aggressive nasal 
carcinoma. For the last 2 months, he has had a chronic nosebleed. It started 
out small around Christmas, and since then his symptoms have included daily 
sneezing fits, bloody nasal discharge from one side of his nose, and the recent 
appearance of a small pink mass in one of his nostrils which we thought was 
simply a polyp. We biopsied it last week, and the results were not good. His 
mitotic indexes were high, with 8-10 of them being in the 10 fields.

Needless to say I'm devastated. It's hard to take, even when I've spent the 
last 3 years half expecting something terrible every time we go to the vet. :'( 
I'm talking to the vet later today for more information. My guess is we'll opt 
for palliative care rather than radiation or chemotherapy, due to his age, side 
effects, the rate of recurrence and my available finances, but if anyone has 
suggestions, I'm happy to hear them out.

Katherine
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[Felvtalk] Nasal carcinoma :(

[Katherine K.]

My sweet, dear 14 yo FeLV boy Krammer was just diagnosed with aggressive
nasal carcinoma. For the last 2 months, he has had a chronic nosebleed. It
started out small around Christmas, and since then his symptoms have
included daily sneezing fits, bloody nasal discharge from one side of his
nose, and the recent appearance of a small pink mass in one of
his nostrils which we thought was simply a polyp. We biopsied it last week,
and the results were not good. His mitotic indexes were high, with 8-10 of
them being in the 10 fields.

Needless to say I'm devastated. It's hard to take, even when I've spent the
last 3 years half expecting something terrible every time we go to the vet.
:'( I'm talking to the vet later today for more information. My guess is
we'll opt for palliative care rather than radiation or chemotherapy, due to
his age, side effects, the rate of recurrence and my available finances,
but if anyone has suggestions, I'm happy to hear them out.

Katherine
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