[Felvtalk] Winstrol - vet in Southern California

[Realissa Dekraunti]

Does anyone know a vet willing to prescribe Winstrol in Southern California?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Drug used for felv

[Realissa Dekraunti]

Yes, Amani, I read those articles, but, still, I would like to hear from that 
lady whose cat came back testing negative. I contacted her facebook friends 
too, no luck.

I know this drug is used for HIV in humans and Felv is similar to HIV.

I am very grateful for this list, but, sorry to say this, the format is very 
confusing, time consuming. Maybe it's me who I don't know how to use it? The 
messages don't group together in threads and I have to change the subjecy every 
time I have to reply to a tread.

Again, I am VERT grateful for this list but I was wondering if there's a better 
way to manage the messages
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[Felvtalk] regarding: Raltegravir for Felv

[Realissa Dekraunti]

the lady has not responded and has not seen my messages. I am desperately
trying to get ahole of her. I don't know if it is appropriate to share her
name here on this group? So, maybe you can all help me to get ahold of her?
Her story is very inspiring
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Re: [Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Realissa Dekraunti]

To answer your question, he said that the full blown symptoms determine the 
type of Felv. Meaning that bone murrow consumption is a typical sign of Felv C. 
The strains were identified in Vitro BUT there is no way to differentiate them 
through a test. I don't know what to say. I don't trust vets because they don't 
care enough.



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> On 07 giu 2016, at 13:01, Realissa Dekraunti <realissadekrau...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than 
> FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have. Is 
> it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets. 
> 
> Thanks a lot 

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[Felvtalk] Raltegravir for Felv

[Realissa Dekraunti]

I wanted to share a post I found on facebook. This lady says that
after Raltegravir,
her Felv positive cat became negative. I tried to contact her on facebook
to see if it's still negative.




One of my indoor cats tested positive with leukemia and her brother didn't,
so she remains a mystery as to where she got it from. As a kitten she was
tested and she was negative. Months later, she tested positive. The virus
reached her bone marrow a year ago and she was terribly anaemic. She
received a couple of synthetic blood transfusions when she was about to
die, and then the doctor started her on Raltegravir (a HIV integrase
inhibitor). This was, like a said, a year ago, and she's now better than
ever. There's no anaemia and her Felv tests come back negative. I hope this
gives other people hope and inspiration to fight for their kittens. When
everyone was telling me to put her down a year ago, I just couldn't,
convinced that she deserved every ounce of effort. I couldn't separate her
from her brother, either. They sleep together, eat together, have the same
toilet and groom each other, and in a whole year, he hasn't got infected. I
tested him every 3 months and had hematology tests done, but he keeps
coming back negative. I hope with all my heart they are both healthy and
they stay that way.
[image: Valerie Benguiat's photo.]

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[Felvtalk] different types of Felv

[Realissa Dekraunti]

I took my cats to a new vet, today. He said that FELV A is less fatal than
FELV C. He said there is no way to determine which type of FELV they have.
Is it true? I think people on this forum know more than many vets.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 23

[Realissa Dekraunti]

Rachel, I cried too. I am so devastated to hear about it. I hope his spirit 
visits you soon. Please keep me posted. Feel free to email me offlist, if you'd 
like to chat. I send you a big hug

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>   1. Re: Tucker (Amani Oakley)
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>   3. Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 22 (Realissa Dekraunti)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:39:28 +
> From: Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com>
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
> Message-ID:
><E0C1DFB06E10174B9D4AE353A62CECE30166F98C49@OAKLEYSRV.oakley.local>
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> Rachel
> 
> You're right. We've all been there but it doesn't ever get any easier. I had 
> tears in my eyes, reading your email and knowing exactly what you are going 
> through and how broken and heavy your heart feels right now. We all know, 
> deep inside, that we did a wonderful thing for our little ones - giving them 
> lots and lots of love and hugs. But right now, you'll be second-guessing 
> yourself and wondering if you did the right thing. Know that you did, Rachel, 
> and there was one less lonely, scared, hungry cat because of your commitment 
> and your caring. 
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: June-07-16 10:33 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker
> 
> I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing due 
> to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It was so 
> very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
> It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss him 
> so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone today, and 
> can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he was laying on 
> my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to believe he is gone. I 
> sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an hour with my car door open, 
> just in case he spirit needed to get inside and come home with me. I know it 
> will get better, but right now the pain is just unbearable. I know that those 
> here who have gone through this understand where I am right now.
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> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 16:17:38 + (UTC)
> From: Sandy <swacht1...@comcast.net>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker
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> Rachel, I'm so, so sorry :) Life ... 
> Sandy W 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Rachel Dagner" <rdag...@novahrc.com> 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2016 10:33:13 AM 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Tucker 
> 
> I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing 
> due to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It 
> was so very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since. 
> It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss 
> him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone 
> today, and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he 
> was laying on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to 
> believe he is gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an 
> hour with my car door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside 
> and come home with me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain 
> is

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 22

[Realissa Dekraunti]

his case..??
>> 
>> Currently following Amani's suggestion from a while ago and rinsing his eyes 
>> a few times a day with Contact Lens Solution to keep them from Gunking 
>> up but.  He IS losing and none of the vets appear at all inclined to 
>> do further testing.   Again  it's like they are saying " Oh isn't it 
>> nice that you want to save this sweet FeLV Kitty but, really, don't try TOO 
>> hard"
>> 
>> Bob
>> Warwick NY
> 
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> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 10:33:13 -0400
> From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
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> I lost him yesterday morning. He was having a really hard time breathing
> due to the tumor in his chest. It was time, they got me in right away. It
> was so very hard to say goodbye. I haven't been able to quit crying since.
> It's so unbelievably hard, even knowing that it would happen soon. I miss
> him so much. Everything reminds me of him. I am at work luckily alone
> today, and can't quit crying. I had him with me at work last week and he
> was laying on my desk and purring and sleeping. It's just so hard to
> believe he is gone. I sat in the parking lot at my vets for at least an
> hour with my car door open, just in case he spirit needed to get inside
> and come home with me. I know it will get better, but right now the pain
> is just unbearable. I know that those here who have gone through this
> understand where I am right now.
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 11:27:05 -0400
> From: Rachel Dagner <rdag...@novahrc.com>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] both of my cats are FELV positive. What to do
>now?
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> Hi Realissa,
> 
> 
> 
> I am sorry to hear about your babies, the diagnosis is a real heartbreaker,
> I know. If you are interested in a holistic approach to keep them healthy
> there is a really good book called The Nature of Animal Healing by Dr.
> Marin Goldstein. He is known as one of the best integrative vets in the
> world, integrative meaning he uses conventional and holistic remedies for
> his patients. He has cured animals that owners were told were not curable
> or that conventional medicine alone did not work for. Which I think is the
> best kind of vet. His clinic is  based out of New York, if I lived there
> and had known about him that is where I would have gone for my baby right
> from the get go, no doubt. He has a section in his book on what he has done
> for FELV kitties to keep them healthy and from developing the bad things
> that can come along for FELV cats. I think the biggest thing I have learned
> about FELV is that we should probably not vaccinate them, especially if
> they are indoor cats. Vaccinations do a number on even a healthy animals
> immune system. He does have suggestions on how to keep them strong if they
> must endure vaccinations due to state laws, and suggests that if you do
> vaccines that you should not do them all at once or in combo doses as this
> is too much for the immune system to handle at one time. There is a very
> real reason they have now* finally* started doing 3 year vaccinations
> instead of yearly, even though Veterinarians have been pushing for it since
> the 90s.  The side effects, the sick animals, the cancer that they have
> caused? it is all very scary and with a FELV or immune compromised cats and
> dogs even more so.  I hope you can push past the fear, come up with a solid
> game plan to do the best you can for them and then just enjoy them and put
> Felv on the back burner and go on as normal. This is what you have to do,
> and you will, and you will come to terms with the situation and move
> forward. I will pray that your babies stay healthy and happy for many, many
> years to come.
> 
> 
> 
> Rachel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf O

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 26, Issue 19

[Realissa Dekraunti]

ing the bone marrow with diseased cells that cannot 
> produce red cells, white cells and platelets as normally occurs. With the 
> bone marrow no longer producing needed blood cells, the ones in circulation 
> eventually die off ? life span of red cells for example is 120 days ? and 
> there is nothing to replace them.)
> 
> After purchasing and couriering to my vets, these various treatments, I would 
> try them for a number of months. None of them did a thing. All of them were 
> extremely expensive.
> 
> We got another blood transfusion for Zander when his haematocrit dropped back 
> down to below 10. Again, he went up to 14 or 16 or so, and this time, he had 
> had a reaction to the blood transfusion and so we were told that this was it. 
> We could no longer give him more transfusions.
> 
> While sinking into despair that I had no other options to try, I ransacked my 
> supply of cat medications I had in my drawer. I found Winstrol, which had 
> been given to me for another cat, years and years ago. It was just supposed 
> to make the other cat feel better and perhaps increase his appetite ? the 
> other cat had FIV and died within 2 days of going the vets, and so I had not 
> even had a chance to try the Winstrol on the other cat. I had absolutely 
> nothing else and figured, what the hell.
> 
> To my very great surprise, it ended up taking my very very anemic and 
> desperately ill Zander, and turned him right around. It is a long term 
> medication so Zander was on it for at least 10 months before his lab results 
> (which I continued to run weekly) showed his haematology results to be 
> perfectly normal, and every time I tried to wean him down, his lab results 
> would drop again. However, after a year, I did wean him to lower levels, but 
> I watched him like a hawk and any signs of paler than normal gums or paw 
> pads, and I would give him a 6 to 8 week stint of Winstrol at the 1 mg x2 
> days or even down to 1 mg a day
> 
> Be forewarned that your vet, if he has heard of Winstrol, will tell you that 
> it causes liver damage. In my experience, the liver enzymes often do rise, 
> but will fall back into the normal range once the Winstrol is discontinued. 
> As far as I am able to tell, there is no lasting damage, and despite the fact 
> that I have spent literally hundreds of hours on the internet researching 
> this drug (for both humans and animals) I am unable to find any true, 
> scientifically-established link to any actual liver damage. (Website after 
> website recites that it is known to cause or may cause liver damage, but none 
> of them have any scientific references or even case studies to back up this 
> claim.) For your cats, if they are not exhibiting any symptoms, this may be 
> more of an issue for you to consider. Most of us in this group, have had cats 
> in desperate situations when we looked for something like Winstrol, so 
> obviously, a risk of liver issues was a completely acceptable risk. However, 
> I am pr
 et
> ty confident that the risk of liver problems is an extremely inflated and 
> unsubstantiated threat.
> 
> If you do decide to go this route, your vet needs to get the Winstrol from a 
> compounding pharmacy, but unlike the other options out there like Interferon 
> and LTCI, (which are pretty expensive) Winstrol is not ? maybe a $1 a pill or 
> something like that ? I can?t remember for sure.
> 
> However, this is just my opinion and experience. Zander lived 6 years after 
> his ?crash? and after the vets told me there was nothing to do for him but 
> put him down. From reading the emails of others in this group, there are some 
> who have had good experiences with Interferon and LTCI. I recently learned 
> that there are four subgroups of the virus that causes FeLV and thus, this 
> may explain why different people have different experiences with these 
> medications. However, in my book, if I had the opportunity to do things 
> again, I would have started Zander on Winstrol as soon as he was diagnosed 
> with FeLV and when he had the first minor problem show itself. Winstrol, as 
> an anabolic steroid, strengthens body (muscle and promotes bone growth, etc), 
> enhances appetite and a sense of energy and well-being, so I think it is a 
> good support for the system stressed by the FeLV virus in any event.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Realissa Dekraunti
> Sent: June-05-16 8:51 PM
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> Subject: [Felvtalk] both of my cats are FELV positive. What to do now?
> 
> Hi everybody. Thank you for accepting me in this group.  I am just too 
> devastated to think straight. I rescued two cats in October an

[Felvtalk] has anybody tried NHV felimm?

[Realissa Dekraunti]

it was recommended to me by a lady who has Felv cats. I am willing to give
it a try, but I would be glad to hear feedback from someone who has tried
it.
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[Felvtalk] both of my cats are FELV positive. What to do now?

[Realissa Dekraunti]

Hi everybody. Thank you for accepting me in this group.  I am just too
devastated to think straight. I rescued two cats in October and I found out
two days ago that they are both Felv positive. We did an Elisa test on
Thursday, and it came back positive, and an IFA that confirmed the positive
results. I live in LA and I don't know what to do, where to go, if there is
alternative medicine. I love these two cats more than I could ever imagine
and it is breaking my heart. Any input, help, direction you could give me,
would be incredibly appreciated. They are FIV negative but FELV positive. I
have heard there is a medicine called LTCI but that it is very expensive. I
am also heard of Virbagen Omega, L Lysin, Interfone. There is so much info
that I am overwhelmed.

to add some information.

 Date of birth: May 7, 2015
ELISA "snap" test at Animal Wellness Center: June 25, 2015 (age: 7 weeks).
Results: weak positive for FeLV
IFA confirming test at Animal Wellness Center: June 30, 2015 (age: 7 weeks,
5 days). Results: negative
ELISA "snap" test at Animal Wellness Center: August 1, 2015 (age: 12 weeks,
2 days). Results: weak positive for FeLV
ELISA in-lab test at Animal Wellness Center (sent to IDEXX): August 13,
2015 (age: 14 weeks). Results: negative

June 1, 2016 ELISA test both came positive

June 2, 2016 IFA both came Felv positive FIV negative

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