Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
Christiane Thank you for the info on heartworm. I always wondered what had actually make Sadi's heart stop. Thought it was the worms but apparently more than likely a clot. I remember now that the medicine was basically arsenic but didn't find that out til afterwards. This was years ago - at least 15 - and the first vet I took her to was awful at a lot of stuff and I never went back. She didn't seem to care about anything but pay at the time of service. Since then I haven't had any experience with heartworm - thank goodness! But appreciate the additional information. And now they have found new parasites that live in/off of the nasty worm itself? Yuck. Is Interceptor different than Heartgard? Is one better than the other? I have been using Revolution (Stronghold from UK-less expensive but same), on all cats and dogs but now am hearing nasty stories about it too. I was thinking/hoping it worked against heartworm for cats? Jeeze! How do you know which is best for the animals you are trying to help and love? Kat On 7/21/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: What a lucky dog to have come across you - imagine him dying somewhere all alone, in pain, with nasty people taunting and chasing him...in such cases, euthanasia is the kindest solution, even though it may be heartbreaking to us! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs How sad.I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left. On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do : ( His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him. HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+. From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
15 years ago, the treatment protocols for HW were very different and oftentimes lethal. Interceptor is a different chemical makeup than Heartgard. Absent the risk of Heartgard to herding breeds, I think its really a matter of personal preference. I use Interceptor for my Maltese but that's cause he was on it when I got him. I also use Frontline on him cause he's a real tick magnet--came home once from a stroll outside with 8 ticks on him! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs Christiane Thank you for the info on heartworm. I always wondered what had actually make Sadi's heart stop. Thought it was the worms but apparently more than likely a clot. I remember now that the medicine was basically arsenic but didn't find that out til afterwards. This was years ago - at least 15 - and the first vet I took her to was awful at a lot of stuff and I never went back. She didn't seem to care about anything but pay at the time of service. Since then I haven't had any experience with heartworm - thank goodness! But appreciate the additional information. And now they have found new parasites that live in/off of the nasty worm itself? Yuck. Is Interceptor different than Heartgard? Is one better than the other? I have been using Revolution (Stronghold from UK-less expensive but same), on all cats and dogs but now am hearing nasty stories about it too. I was thinking/hoping it worked against heartworm for cats? Jeeze! How do you know which is best for the animals you are trying to help and love? Kat On 7/21/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: What a lucky dog to have come across you - imagine him dying somewhere all alone, in pain, with nasty people taunting and chasing him...in such cases, euthanasia is the kindest solution, even though it may be heartbreaking to us! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs How sad.I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left. On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do : ( His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him. HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+. From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
Kat, That had to be so hard to watch and I am so very sorry! I hear of heartworm stories here in Texas as well and I hate them and the mosquitos that carry them. Too bad it was not caught earlier by your vet. That should have raised a red flag with your vet since you are out in the country. This is a lesson learned by all of us. Coughing is one of the signs. By sharing your story you probably have helped more animals. That counts for something in the memory of your dog. He is playing joyfully with all of our dogs that have crossed the Rainbow Bridge. Hugs to you~ Lynda - Original Message - From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows symptoms, the disease is well advanced. And the treatment is fraught with risk and a real strain on the animal's system. There are some newer protocols to reduce risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies which are published. Sadly, there is no treatment for cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve protection for individual pets, but the facts say their motives may be less pure. o http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoF YKZ8 http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoFY KZ8 We had a discussion about Revolution a while back - here is a great article on all wormers, and about Revolution, which is technically: Selamectin is also used to treat ear mites and some intestinal worms; adverse reactions include hair loss at the site of application, diarrhea, vomiting, muscle tremors, anorexia, lethargy, salivation, rapid breathing, and contact allergy. And how veterinarians are handing out these products like candy, etc. Important read! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows symptoms, the disease is well advanced. And the treatment is fraught with risk and a real strain on the animal's system. There are some newer protocols to reduce risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies which are published. Sadly, there is no treatment for cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve protection
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do :( His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him. HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+. From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
How sad.I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left. On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do : ( His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him. HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+. From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take
Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
What a lucky dog to have come across you - imagine him dying somewhere all alone, in pain, with nasty people taunting and chasing him...in such cases, euthanasia is the kindest solution, even though it may be heartbreaking to us! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs How sad.I am glad he was surrounded by friends when he left. On Jul 21, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Edna Taylor wrote: We recently rescued an emaciated, obviously abused Rottie mix and his HW status was so high that after talking to the vet we decided that given his body weight, unknown history, fact that he couldn't be neutered until after treatment, lack of foster homes and that the treatment would probably kill him, we loved him, played with him and as he chewed on a toy, we let him go. He was surrounded by people who cared about him in the end and sometimes, that is all we can do : ( His previous owners (I use that term loosely) failed him. HW treatment is something so simple, yet I would hazard to guess that 90% (maybe more) of the dogs going into shelters and/or rescued are HW+. From: ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2011 12:23:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm so sorry this happened... Heartworm is basically very silent until it gets so bad the dog is in real danger. They seem to be learning all sorts of new things about treatment which is now more complicated then when Immiticide was first developed. Problem is that unless vet is very familiar w. treatment, they may not know about newer protocols. American Heartworm Assoc does a decent job of describing those. But even if those are followed, Immiticide is basically arsenic and all sorts of things can happen. It doesn't kill adult worms but it sterilizes female worms. It does kill instantly the microfileria and as those enter the bloodstream in mass, they can create a clot which kills a dog. Then there is the more newly found parasites that actually live in an adult hw also die can also cause a clot. That requires doxy for a couple of weeks before treatment begins. And dogs need have absolute rest during treatment---not easy to do! For older, more fragile dogs, sometimes the best course is Ivermectin (Heartgard)--sterilizes worms over a course of time, they die. Risky but sometimes less risky than Immiticide treatment. Basically, there is no good reason to risk subjecting a dog to this--the costs have come down though I'm always reluctant to over medicate, Interceptor is one pill I don't ever forget to give my dog every month. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year
[Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs
Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve protection for individual pets, but the facts say their motives may be less pure. http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoF YKZ8 http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoFY KZ8 We had a discussion about Revolution a while back - here is a great article on all wormers, and about Revolution, which is technically: Selamectin is also used to treat ear mites and some intestinal worms; adverse reactions include hair loss at the site of application, diarrhea, vomiting, muscle tremors, anorexia, lethargy, salivation, rapid breathing, and contact allergy. And how veterinarians are handing out these products like candy, etc. Important read! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows symptoms, the disease is well advanced. And the treatment is fraught with risk and a real strain on the animal's system. There are some newer protocols to reduce risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies which are published. Sadly, there is no treatment for cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve protection for individual pets, but the facts say their motives may be less pure. o http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoF YKZ8 http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoFY KZ8 We had a discussion about Revolution a while back - here is a great article on all wormers, and about Revolution, which is technically: Selamectin is also used to treat ear mites and some intestinal worms; adverse reactions include hair loss at the site of application, diarrhea, vomiting, muscle tremors, anorexia, lethargy, salivation, rapid breathing, and contact allergy. And how veterinarians are handing out these products like candy, etc. Important read! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What breed of dogs should not take Heartguard? I have two adorable dachshunds. I've been giving both my cats Interceptor. I live in Texas and there are many mosquitos with our very humid climate. We also have had the mosquitos get inside just from opening our doors to let the dogs out. I have to give them something as a preventative. - Original Message - From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows symptoms, the disease is well advanced. And the treatment is fraught with risk and a real strain on the animal's system. There are some newer protocols to reduce risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies which are published. Sadly, there is no treatment for cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve protection for individual pets, but the facts say their motives may be less pure. o http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoF YKZ8 http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoFY KZ8 We had a discussion about Revolution a while back - here is a great article on all wormers, and about Revolution, which is technically: Selamectin is also used to treat ear mites and some intestinal worms; adverse reactions include hair loss at the site of application, diarrhea, vomiting, muscle tremors, anorexia, lethargy, salivation, rapid breathing, and contact allergy. And how veterinarians are handing out these products like candy, etc. Important read! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Certain collie breeds mixes, carry a gene (mdr1-1Δ mutation) which if given Ivermectin (which is Heartgard) can kill them. There are also studies going on about herding dogs like Aussies, Shelties, Border collies, Old English Sheepdogs, etc). I give my Maltese Interceptor and it doesn't have ivermectin. I live in NY we've been using year round heartworm prev for years here. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs What breed of dogs should not take Heartguard? I have two adorable dachshunds. I've been giving both my cats Interceptor. I live in Texas and there are many mosquitos with our very humid climate. We also have had the mosquitos get inside just from opening our doors to let the dogs out. I have to give them something as a preventative. - Original Message - From: Christiane Biagi ti...@mindspring.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows symptoms, the disease is well advanced. And the treatment is fraught with risk and a real strain on the animal's system. There are some newer protocols to reduce risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies which are published. Sadly, there is no treatment for cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve protection for individual pets, but the facts say their motives may be less pure. o http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoF YKZ8 http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoFY KZ8 We had a discussion about Revolution a while back - here is a great article on all wormers, and about Revolution, which is technically: Selamectin is also used to treat ear mites and some intestinal worms; adverse reactions include hair loss at the site of application, diarrhea, vomiting, muscle tremors, anorexia, lethargy, salivation, rapid breathing, and contact allergy. And how veterinarians are handing out these products like candy, etc. Important read! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows symptoms, the disease is well advanced. And the treatment is fraught with risk and a real strain on the animal's system. There are some newer protocols to reduce risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies which are published. Sadly, there is no treatment for cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve protection for individual pets, but the facts say their motives may be less pure. o http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoF YKZ8 http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoFY KZ8 We had a discussion about Revolution a while back - here is a great article on all wormers, and about Revolution, which is technically: Selamectin is also used to treat ear mites and some intestinal worms; adverse reactions include hair loss at the site of application, diarrhea, vomiting, muscle tremors, anorexia, lethargy, salivation, rapid breathing, and contact allergy. And how veterinarians are handing out these products like candy, etc. Important read! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I live in Ohio and watched one of my dogs die of heartworm - or technically she died of the reaction to the treatment for heartworm after she was found to have them. She had been coughing for months and a local vet said maybe kennel cough but not much was known about it and she was a free running dog in the country. A few months later I took her in for her annual vaccinations and new vet said heartworm had been bad in Ohio the last year or so and suggested we test. She came back positive so he started the treatment before we left that day telling me there were risks but she would likely die for sure if something wasn't tried. That night she came home and collapsed in the front yard and I watched her die. Her heart stopped. 10 PM at night, nearest emergency vet was almost 2 hours away but didn't matter cause I didn't know they existed at the time and they were in another city and no emergency listings in local phone books. Vet I had taken her to had gone to his daughters graduation that night and called back too late but said he probably wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway. Autopsy showed she had more worms than heart left. I will NEVER not treat a dog for heartworm again. Period. Kat On 7/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I guess it's you're damned if you do and damned if you don't! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Christiane Biagi Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs I'm not one to give my pets all sorts of meds but, if you've ever seen a dog die from heartworm or actually seen what these critters look like, you'd err on the side of caution. I'm in NY and we've gone to year round. While true that the mosquitoes carrying the larvae don't fly up here from warmer climates, dogs cats come all the time. A NY mosquito bites a Florida infected dog then bites a NY dog--you've got a chance. And these days, folks travel all the time everywhere with their pets. Now there are places where the climate basically prevents larvae from forming... but for most of the country, there are at least times of the year when mosquitoes live that any cat or dog is at risk. But there are choices for HW meds... Certain breeds should never take Heartgard (Ivermectin), for example. Thing is that HW is a silent killer. By the time the animal shows symptoms, the disease is well advanced. And the treatment is fraught with risk and a real strain on the animal's system. There are some newer protocols to reduce risk--Dr. at U of FL has done major studies which are published. Sadly, there is no treatment for cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:53 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Heartworm drugs Heartworm drugs for pets; Big Pharma's cash cow - In a seemingly diabolical plot, veterinarians and pharmaceutical companies have teamed up in a marketing campaign to frighten pet guardians into giving year-round heartworm preventatives to their cats, as well as dogs. These so-called experts say they're doing this to improve protection for individual pets, but the facts say their motives may be less pure. o http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoF YKZ8 http://www.naturalnews.com/033060_heartworm_drugs_pet_health.html#ixzz1SeoFY KZ8 We had a discussion about Revolution a while back - here is a great article on all wormers, and about Revolution, which is technically: Selamectin is also used to treat ear mites and some intestinal worms; adverse reactions include hair loss at the site of application, diarrhea, vomiting, muscle tremors, anorexia, lethargy, salivation, rapid breathing, and contact allergy. And how veterinarians are handing out these products like candy, etc. Important read! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
