Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Hello Crystal, I love the people in this group. They are compassionate and knowledgable. Here are my suggestions. 1. The upper respiratory infection - common in felv kittens. I have fought this battle. As far as an effective antibiotic - Azithromycin works wonders. It is not currently approved for veterinary medicine, but I got it from the vet school in Madison, wi. It is amazing. Call you vet and ask if they would be willing to get it for your somehow. The pet apothecary, etc. The additional items are also helpful lysine for viral infection, vitamin c for antioxidant and improved immune response. 2. GI problems - oral antibiotics can often cause gi problems because it truely does kill off the normal flora of the system and allows for infectious bacteria to invade and actually viruses as well (including feline coronavirs, partial cause of FIP). Here is my biggest concern from what I am hearing. FIP is seen in association with felv especially in younger multicat households. The big symptoms are diarrhea, vomitting, high fever, anemia, loss of muscle mass and anorexia. Another woman in this group is battling that right now. It is thought by many vets to be nearly 100% fatal. No good conventional treatment options exist for them and decline is usually days to weeks. You can see neurologic symtpoms - unsteady gait, seizures etc. Or you can see fluid accumulate in the abdomen and chest so they get sort of a barrel shaped abdomen that bulges out. I can't say for sure this is going on but it would be my biggest concern. Things to look for are high fever (~103F), anemia, loss of appetite, loss of muscle mass, any bumpy or enlarged lymph nodes or new skin lesions, diarrhea and vomitting, and the presence of eye changes - you see their third eyelid (it is located on the side of the eye towards the nose) or clouding of their eyes. The other woman in this group is currently using high dose iv vitamin C and I believe successfully. It is, however, a day by day process. 3. Felv+ - Almost every vet I have ever spoken with believes this is a death sentence. It isn't always, but there's no way to tell now who will do well and who won't. So here's the deal. If you have any chance of these kitties turning negative or least living longer lives, it is to treat them all now. If you wait until they are sick you are almost always fighting a losing battle. Things to do - diet - high protein diet (Evo or Nature's Variety-instinct, there are others) or raw diet (frozen Nature's variety of stella and chewy's), I recommend raw, but some will disagree. Treatment - LTCI , a monthly injection to stimulate the immune system cost about $70 per injection, requires prescription, made by Imulan, they will send your vet the meds or find a vet that has them they have names of vets near you; Acemannan or Ambrotose - either intraperitoneal injection or oral supplement - oral about $40 per bottle, no prescription for oral, made by Mannatech I believe. Interferon - oral medication, very cheap, need prescription most vets can get. You can use them separately or together. Sometimes you can reverse the viral status if you start early enough. I really fear you have an FIP situation on your hands. I would start aggressive treatment with him now if that is the case. I would stay away from Prednisone (most vets recommend it)it will only symptomatically help and the disease will progress. I pray the high dose vitamin C will work for this other woman and I would probably take that route with your little guy. This is what I would consider - Azithromycin for the URI, high dose(by this I mean on the order of grams per day - for the exact regimen I wouldl have to speak with the other woman in the group) vitamin C for possible FIP (this will be a daily IV drip - labor intensive), Imulan injections and continued oral supplements. You are not going to win with conventional treatment - I believe that with all my heart. You have to look beyond what the vets out there are telling you. There are two other routes I am aware of for FIP, if you are interested I can give you more info. Good luck and God bless you. Jenny On 11/18/09, Crystal Proper wrote: > > Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 > weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them > as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV > positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, > isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny > eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody > diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just > running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half > the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have > some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… > He has severe diarrhea. Today it
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
You might try to add a little pumpkin to his food. Real canned pumpkin, not pie filling. I keep several cans on hand because of the ferals at Mom's. Most are not touchable and you can only do what you can do for them. My vets use psyllium (just a pinch). On Nov 19, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Tracey Shrout wrote: Crystal, have you tried a raw food for him? When I first got my positive kitty, she had uncontrollable (bloody) diarrhea, and I tried every food I could. The only thing that stopped it was a raw food consisting of chicken and bones (among other ingredients). She was on antibiotics, fortiflora, and had been wormed several times. She had been through so much up to that point and that was my last resort -- but it worked! I can't tell you how I fretted over her condition -- she was miserable until I started feeding her the raw. Feline's Pride is one of the best on the market, but expensive and you have to have it shipped. Nature's Variety is another food that I have seen in the pet stores though. It might be worth a try, this is a diet highly recommended for Irritable Bowel Disease. Good luck, my heart goes out to you. Tracey On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Crystal Proper >wrote: Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Crystal, have you tried a raw food for him? When I first got my positive kitty, she had uncontrollable (bloody) diarrhea, and I tried every food I could. The only thing that stopped it was a raw food consisting of chicken and bones (among other ingredients). She was on antibiotics, fortiflora, and had been wormed several times. She had been through so much up to that point and that was my last resort -- but it worked! I can't tell you how I fretted over her condition -- she was miserable until I started feeding her the raw. Feline's Pride is one of the best on the market, but expensive and you have to have it shipped. Nature's Variety is another food that I have seen in the pet stores though. It might be worth a try, this is a diet highly recommended for Irritable Bowel Disease. Good luck, my heart goes out to you. Tracey On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Crystal Proper wrote: > Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 > weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them > as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. > Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been > on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had > to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very > symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has > run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. > However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I > don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… > He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. > I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was > getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also > been wormed. > He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin > Complex, and Ginger Root. > Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. > He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on > my chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. > Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Amy- I just found out its actually 4 1/2 hours away from me instead of 1 1/2. I don't think I can make that drive right now. Thanks, Crystal Amy- That's only an 1 1/2 from me! I would love her name and contact info please! Crystal Amy Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:13:44 -0800 Hi Crystal, Are you far from Cornell University in NY? I recently took my cat to see an internal med there and have been incredibly pleased with her knowledge and compassion. She is the only one who has not given up on my leuk positive cat. I'd be happy to send you her name if it's a trip that you could make. Amy --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Crystal Proper wrote: > From: Crystal Proper > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:43 AM > Hi Diane- > I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV. I am very > thankful and grateful to have her help. She is very busy > and always listens to my constant questions. However, she > keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and > there's nothing I can do. However, I've been reading > everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is > something you can do so I am trying to get as much > information as possible. I emailed two other vets > yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are > specialists on it. I live in NW PA and I'm finding it > difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot. I > am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies > together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will. She did > tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but > since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good > for him. I am still trying everything to get him out of > the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can > be as big and "healthy" as his 2 FelV + brothers. > Crystal > > - > > > Diane Rosenfeldt > Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800 > Hi, Crystal -- > > You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are > great for taking on > this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I > guess my first (and > only -- there are many more experienced people on this list > to ask the > others) question is how confident are you that your vet is > up to speed on > FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the > most > knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes > kittens convert to > negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know > if this is still > an option for yours? > > Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest. > > Diane R. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of Crystal Proper > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help > > Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three > kittens that were 4 > weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old > building. We tamed them > as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were > all FELV positive. > Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, > isnt. Hes been > on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny > eyes and nose we had > to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody > diarrhea. He is very > symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its > course and has > run out if suggestions for me. Hes also half the size of > his brothers. > However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for > me because I > dont want to give up on him. Heres my list He has > severe diarrhea. > Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have > been given him > yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was > getting boiled chicken, > but will only eat canned cat food now. Hes also been > wormed. > He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, > B Vitamin Complex, > and Ginger Root. > Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet > Tinic. > He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed > to and gets on > my chest and purrs in my face. Hes my baby. > Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Amy- That's only an 1 1/2 from me! I would love her name and contact info please! Crystal Amy Thu, 19 Nov 2009 05:13:44 -0800 Hi Crystal, Are you far from Cornell University in NY? I recently took my cat to see an internal med there and have been incredibly pleased with her knowledge and compassion. She is the only one who has not given up on my leuk positive cat. I'd be happy to send you her name if it's a trip that you could make. Amy --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Crystal Proper wrote: > From: Crystal Proper > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:43 AM > Hi Diane- > I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV. I am very > thankful and grateful to have her help. She is very busy > and always listens to my constant questions. However, she > keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and > there's nothing I can do. However, I've been reading > everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is > something you can do so I am trying to get as much > information as possible. I emailed two other vets > yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are > specialists on it. I live in NW PA and I'm finding it > difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot. I > am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies > together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will. She did > tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but > since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good > for him. I am still trying everything to get him out of > the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can > be as big and "healthy" as his 2 FelV + brothers. > Crystal > > - > > > Diane Rosenfeldt > Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800 > Hi, Crystal -- > > You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are > great for taking on > this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I > guess my first (and > only -- there are many more experienced people on this list > to ask the > others) question is how confident are you that your vet is > up to speed on > FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the > most > knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes > kittens convert to > negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know > if this is still > an option for yours? > > Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest. > > Diane R. > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of Crystal Proper > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help > > Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three > kittens that were 4 > weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old > building. We tamed them > as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were > all FELV positive. > Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, > isnt. Hes been > on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny > eyes and nose we had > to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody > diarrhea. He is very > symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its > course and has > run out if suggestions for me. Hes also half the size of > his brothers. > However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for > me because I > dont want to give up on him. Heres my list He has > severe diarrhea. > Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have > been given him > yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was > getting boiled chicken, > but will only eat canned cat food now. Hes also been > wormed. > He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, > B Vitamin Complex, > and Ginger Root. > Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet > Tinic. > He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed > to and gets on > my chest and purrs in my face. Hes my baby. > Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Crystal, Are you far from Cornell University in NY? I recently took my cat to see an internal med there and have been incredibly pleased with her knowledge and compassion. She is the only one who has not given up on my leuk positive cat. I'd be happy to send you her name if it's a trip that you could make. Amy --- On Thu, 11/19/09, Crystal Proper wrote: > From: Crystal Proper > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 3:43 AM > Hi Diane- > I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV. I am very > thankful and grateful to have her help. She is very busy > and always listens to my constant questions. However, she > keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and > there's nothing I can do. However, I've been reading > everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is > something you can do so I am trying to get as much > information as possible. I emailed two other vets > yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are > specialists on it. I live in NW PA and I'm finding it > difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot. I > am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies > together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will. She did > tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but > since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good > for him. I am still trying everything to get him out of > the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can > be as big and "healthy" as his 2 FelV + brothers. > Crystal > > - > > > Diane Rosenfeldt > Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800 > Hi, Crystal -- > > You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are > great for taking on > this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I > guess my first (and > only -- there are many more experienced people on this list > to ask the > others) question is how confident are you that your vet is > up to speed on > FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the > most > knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes > kittens convert to > negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know > if this is still > an option for yours? > > Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest. > > Diane R. > > -Original Message----- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] > On Behalf Of Crystal Proper > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help > > Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three > kittens that were 4 > weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old > building. We tamed them > as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were > all FELV positive. > Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, > isnt. Hes been > on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny > eyes and nose we had > to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody > diarrhea. He is very > symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its > course and has > run out if suggestions for me. Hes also half the size of > his brothers. > However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for > me because I > dont want to give up on him. Heres my list He has > severe diarrhea. > Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have > been given him > yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was > getting boiled chicken, > but will only eat canned cat food now. Hes also been > wormed. > He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, > B Vitamin Complex, > and Ginger Root. > Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet > Tinic. > He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed > to and gets on > my chest and purrs in my face. Hes my baby. > Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Gloria, didn't you have some luck with your kitties and vitamin c when they had upper respiratory's. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Belinda- All 3 kittens, Nibbler, Brillo and Desmond all got antibiotics when we got them at 4 weeks old. Brillo and Desmond kicked the upper resp after a couple weeks but Nibbler hasn't. He was on them for another 6 or 7 weeks after that but we had to take him off about 2 weeks ago because it was too much for his little system to handle. He is very small and his digestive system has been bad for awhile. The vet said that the antibiotics may have killed all the "good" bacteria in his system. That's why we have him on all the vitamins right now, but the poor thing is suffering from the constant runny eyes and nose. Crystal Belinda Sauro Wed, 18 Nov 2009 23:32:59 -0800 When my Frankie got an upper respiratory, he had it for a long time. How long has Nibbler been on the antibiotic? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Hi Diane- I am not sure how much my vet knows about FeLV. I am very thankful and grateful to have her help. She is very busy and always listens to my constant questions. However, she keeps telling me that its the FeLV running its course and there's nothing I can do. However, I've been reading everyone's messages on here and it seems sometimes there is something you can do so I am trying to get as much information as possible. I emailed two other vets yesterday that are 2 hours away to see if they are specialists on it. I live in NW PA and I'm finding it difficult to find any vet that has dealt with it a lot. I am laid off right now but if I have to scrape my pennies together and eat spaghetti for a month, I will. She did tell me that sometimes kittens can convert to negative but since Nibbler had such problems already it didn't look good for him. I am still trying everything to get him out of the slump and get some weight on him and maybe he can be as big and "healthy" as his 2 FelV + brothers. Crystal - Diane Rosenfeldt Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:41:47 -0800 Hi, Crystal -- You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are great for taking on this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I guess my first (and only -- there are many more experienced people on this list to ask the others) question is how confident are you that your vet is up to speed on FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the most knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes kittens convert to negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know if this is still an option for yours? Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isnt. Hes been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. Hes also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I dont want to give up on him. Heres my list He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. Hes also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. Hes my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Cougar Clan- My little ones are very spoiled and I believe lead a very stress free lifestyle. The only thing that I think stresses Nibbler out is getting his vitamins and Prt Tinic via liquid syringe orally. He doesn't like the taste at all and he needs this done a few times a day. I will look up Rescue Remedy and Feliway. Thank you very much for the kind words. They have brought me some comfort when my heart feels so broken. I have been very stressed since we found out that they were FeLV + and much more the past couple weeks since Nibbler's been having very bad days. Even though its very difficult and it breaks my heart, taking care of them is well worth it when Nibbler curls up on me and purrs. Sounds like Dixie had an amazing and happy life too. I live in a small town in NW PA so there aren't many options vet wise. However, I emailed two vets, one holistic and another I am hoping to be a specialist last night, that are both about 2 hours away. I am waiting for phone calls to see what they have to offer. Kittens and I might be making a road trip soon. Crystal Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:35:13 -0800 Cougar Clan First, lessen the stress on him and on yourself and give him and the others the best food possible. Rescue Remedy and Feliway may help you and the kittens. Second, enjoy every minute you have with these babies. Don't look at calenders and wonder "what if" "when" or have self-doubts (almost impossible but try). Every one starts dying the minute they take their first breath. Make life as easy and fun and comfortable as you can for all you care about. Nibbler and his sibblings have a hard row ahead of them but think what their lives would be like if you and your husband hadn't cared? Dixie Louise lived 3 years when the vets were betting a much shorter time. She had everything I thought she might possibly want (with the exception of mice to chase and, had I known she was going to leave so suddenly, I might have gotten her the mice). She was full grown when she came into my life as a throw- away. She was the most wonderful little girl and I would not trade one second with her for anything. That time is well worth the pain. If you have a holistic vet in your area, seek her help. Dixie had her regular vets who are marvelous and she had a great holistic vet, Betty Boswell. I credit the combination of styles for her happy life. Blessings to you, your husband and the kittens. On Nov 18, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Crystal Proper wrote: Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. >Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. >He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my >chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. >Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. > > > >___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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When my Frankie got an upper respiratory, he had it for a long time. How long has Nibbler been on the antibiotic? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi, Crystal -- You'll get some great advice on this list. You guys are great for taking on this problem. I'm sorry Nibbler isn't doing so well. I guess my first (and only -- there are many more experienced people on this list to ask the others) question is how confident are you that your vet is up to speed on FeLV? That's kind of crucial here so that Nibbler gets the most knowledgeable care. Did your vet tell you that sometimes kittens convert to negative once their immune systems develop, and do you know if this is still an option for yours? Best of luck and good vibes for Nibbler and the rest. Diane R. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 5:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isnt. Hes been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. Hes also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I dont want to give up on him. Heres my list He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. Hes also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms hes not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. Hes my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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First, lessen the stress on him and on yourself and give him and the others the best food possible. Rescue Remedy and Feliway may help you and the kittens. Second, enjoy every minute you have with these babies. Don't look at calenders and wonder "what if" "when" or have self-doubts (almost impossible but try). Every one starts dying the minute they take their first breath. Make life as easy and fun and comfortable as you can for all you care about. Nibbler and his sibblings have a hard row ahead of them but think what their lives would be like if you and your husband hadn't cared? Dixie Louise lived 3 years when the vets were betting a much shorter time. She had everything I thought she might possibly want (with the exception of mice to chase and, had I known she was going to leave so suddenly, I might have gotten her the mice). She was full grown when she came into my life as a throw- away. She was the most wonderful little girl and I would not trade one second with her for anything. That time is well worth the pain. If you have a holistic vet in your area, seek her help. Dixie had her regular vets who are marvelous and she had a great holistic vet, Betty Boswell. I credit the combination of styles for her happy life. Blessings to you, your husband and the kittens. On Nov 18, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Crystal Proper wrote: Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Kitten Problems - Please Help
Hi, my name is Crystal. My husband and I rescued three kittens that were 4 weeks old at the time, (now 14 weeks), from an old building. We tamed them as well. About 6 weeks ago we found out that they were all FELV positive. Two of them are fine and doing great. The runt, Nibbler, isn’t. He’s been on antibiotics to try and get rid of his constant runny eyes and nose…we had to stop them about 2 weeks ago because he has bloody diarrhea. He is very symptomatic and my vet says the disease is just running its course and has run out if suggestions for me. He’s also half the size of his brothers. However, I was hoping someone here might have some help for me because I don’t want to give up on him. Here’s my list… He has severe diarrhea. Today it seems to be much more watery and blood. I have been given him yogurt, acidophilus, and Purina Forta Flora. He was getting boiled chicken, but will only eat canned cat food now. He’s also been wormed. He has a constant runny eyes and nose. He gets L-Lysine, B Vitamin Complex, and Ginger Root. Also, from the diarrhea he is very anemic so he gets Pet Tinic. He still runs and tries to get into rooms he’s not supposed to and gets on my chest and purrs in my face. He’s my baby. Please and help and prayers would be appreciated. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org