Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger
Sorry for your loss, not much tht can be said to ease the loss, but will keep you in my prayers. Ardy Robertson wrote: > Hi Rachel and everyone on this site, Amusing story (kind of - after the happy ending) about Tucker's Saturday morning stroll and then asking for a snack! Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I have been planning to send a message about him, here goes Tigger was doing wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, eating on his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. His bloodwork was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly flatline it had been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his report that he re-ran the tests because he could not believe what he was seeing -- Tigg's non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday evening, he didn't seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not want anything to eat and I started to worry. My husband watched him during the day on Friday and I came home early from work because I was worried. He passed away quietly at home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we love him. I am so thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. He did not like going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and needles such as blood draws. I do feel that if I had started him on the Winstrol and Prednisolone sooner, along with a diet of the Hills Prescription A/D canned food he may have made it. I also now know that had I used the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia, it may have helped to prevent the virus from replicating. There are a lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys" but I do feel wholeheartedly that the Winstrol was what kept him going from early March until now. I also know that the veterinary field offers no other alternative in my area, other than euthanization which I would not consider doing to this wonderful little orange furball who rescued us five and a half years ago. I also appreciate very much the time and effort Amani put in to help me with her experience of successfully treating an FeLV positive kitty, her expertise in interpreting lab results, and her friendship in supporting me on the roller coaster of his illness, cheering with me at his achievements, laughing with me at his antics, and finally crying with me as I lost him. For me, there will be other kitties perhaps. I do have two others, but there will never ever be anything close to another cat like our Tigger Babe. Yes, we can keep the bathroom doors open now and not have shredded TP, we can open windows and doors and not get scratch marks in the screens, we don't have to lock the door when we're gone because we are crazy cat-people and afraid he would get out and be lost, we don't have to put chairs in front of the cupboard doors so he doesn't go in them, we don't have exorbitant vet bills, but I would gladly go back to all of that to have him back. I thank everyone who commented on things to try to help him, for all your suggestions - I did try several of them. For now, I just have to remember the five wonderful years Tigger spent with us! Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky cat) and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him, tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her. Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would like a snack. Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to improve... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Hi Rachel There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic
Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger
I am so very sorry Ardy. What a blessing that he got to be at home and with his family at the end. Feline Leukemia is a hard battle to fight, and a million times harder to win. I hope that someday they do more research on Winstrol and other protocols that will help those like us in the future. Tigger was so lucky to have you as his mommy, you went above and beyond what many would do for their kitty, you fought a good fight, you should not question it for even one second. I believe with all of my heart that our spirits human and furry alike are always here with us, and that when it is our time we will all be reunited. I pray that time and all of your wonderful memories of Tigger will help to ease your pain. Sent from my iPhone > On May 9, 2016, at 11:31 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > I am still beyond heart-broken at Tigger's loss. Ardy was and is amazing - so > dedicated and loving to Tigger. As that sad and so-true saying goes, "if love > could have saved you, you would have lived forever". > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy > Robertson > Sent: May-09-16 8:52 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger > > Hi Rachel and everyone on this site, > > Amusing story (kind of - after the happy ending) about Tucker's Saturday > morning stroll and then asking for a snack! > > Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been > able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I > have been planning to send a message about him, here goes Tigger was > doing wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, > eating on his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. > His bloodwork was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly > flatline it had been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his > report that he re-ran the tests because he could not believe what he was > seeing -- Tigg's non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday > evening, he didn't seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not > want anything to eat and I started to worry. My husband watched him during > the day on Friday and I came home early from work because I was worried. He > passed away quietly at home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we > love him. I am so thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. > He did not like going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and > needles such as blood draws. > > I do feel that if I had started him on the Winstrol and Prednisolone sooner, > along with a diet of the Hills Prescription A/D canned food he may have made > it. I also now know that had I used the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than > Convenia, it may have helped to prevent the virus from replicating. There are > a lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys" but I do feel wholeheartedly that the > Winstrol was what kept him going from early March until now. I also know that > the veterinary field offers no other alternative in my area, other than > euthanization which I would not consider doing to this wonderful little > orange furball who rescued us five and a half years ago. > > I also appreciate very much the time and effort Amani put in to help me with > her experience of successfully treating an FeLV positive kitty, her expertise > in interpreting lab results, and her friendship in supporting me on the > roller coaster of his illness, cheering with me at his achievements, laughing > with me at his antics, and finally crying with me as I lost him. > > For me, there will be other kitties perhaps. I do have two others, but there > will never ever be anything close to another cat like our Tigger Babe. Yes, > we can keep the bathroom doors open now and not have shredded TP, we can open > windows and doors and not get scratch marks in the screens, we don't have to > lock the door when we're gone because we are crazy cat-people and afraid he > would get out and be lost, we don't have to put chairs in front of the > cupboard doors so he doesn't go in them, we don't have exorbitant vet bills, > but I would gladly go back to all of that to have him back. > > I thank everyone who commented on things to try to help him, for all your > suggestions - I did try several of them. For now, I just have to remember the > five wonderful years Tigger spent with us! > > Thank you, > Ardy > > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Rachel Dagner
Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger
I am still beyond heart-broken at Tigger's loss. Ardy was and is amazing - so dedicated and loving to Tigger. As that sad and so-true saying goes, "if love could have saved you, you would have lived forever". Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: May-09-16 8:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger Hi Rachel and everyone on this site, Amusing story (kind of - after the happy ending) about Tucker's Saturday morning stroll and then asking for a snack! Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I have been planning to send a message about him, here goes Tigger was doing wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, eating on his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. His bloodwork was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly flatline it had been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his report that he re-ran the tests because he could not believe what he was seeing -- Tigg's non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday evening, he didn't seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not want anything to eat and I started to worry. My husband watched him during the day on Friday and I came home early from work because I was worried. He passed away quietly at home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we love him. I am so thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. He did not like going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and needles such as blood draws. I do feel that if I had started him on the Winstrol and Prednisolone sooner, along with a diet of the Hills Prescription A/D canned food he may have made it. I also now know that had I used the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia, it may have helped to prevent the virus from replicating. There are a lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys" but I do feel wholeheartedly that the Winstrol was what kept him going from early March until now. I also know that the veterinary field offers no other alternative in my area, other than euthanization which I would not consider doing to this wonderful little orange furball who rescued us five and a half years ago. I also appreciate very much the time and effort Amani put in to help me with her experience of successfully treating an FeLV positive kitty, her expertise in interpreting lab results, and her friendship in supporting me on the roller coaster of his illness, cheering with me at his achievements, laughing with me at his antics, and finally crying with me as I lost him. For me, there will be other kitties perhaps. I do have two others, but there will never ever be anything close to another cat like our Tigger Babe. Yes, we can keep the bathroom doors open now and not have shredded TP, we can open windows and doors and not get scratch marks in the screens, we don't have to lock the door when we're gone because we are crazy cat-people and afraid he would get out and be lost, we don't have to put chairs in front of the cupboard doors so he doesn't go in them, we don't have exorbitant vet bills, but I would gladly go back to all of that to have him back. I thank everyone who commented on things to try to help him, for all your suggestions - I did try several of them. For now, I just have to remember the five wonderful years Tigger spent with us! Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky cat) and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him, tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her. Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would like a snack. Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to improve... -Original Message- From:
Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger
Hi Rachel and everyone on this site, Amusing story (kind of - after the happy ending) about Tucker's Saturday morning stroll and then asking for a snack! Unfortunately, I lost my baby boy Tigger last Friday evening. I have not been able to talk much about it since then, but since you asked, and also since I have been planning to send a message about him, here goes Tigger was doing wonderfully up until about Thursday afternoon, improving every day, eating on his own, not dependent on his pain medication for nearly a month. His bloodwork was absolutely astonishing to say the least from the nearly flatline it had been! Even the pathologist at the lab put a note on his report that he re-ran the tests because he could not believe what he was seeing -- Tigg's non-regenerative leukemia was now regenerative!! Thursday evening, he didn't seem quite comfortable, and by Friday morning he did not want anything to eat and I started to worry. My husband watched him during the day on Friday and I came home early from work because I was worried. He passed away quietly at home, with us stroking him and telling him how much we love him. I am so thankful that I did not have to take him in to be put down. He did not like going to the vet at all and he was terrified of shots and needles such as blood draws. I do feel that if I had started him on the Winstrol and Prednisolone sooner, along with a diet of the Hills Prescription A/D canned food he may have made it. I also now know that had I used the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia, it may have helped to prevent the virus from replicating. There are a lot of "what ifs" and "if onlys" but I do feel wholeheartedly that the Winstrol was what kept him going from early March until now. I also know that the veterinary field offers no other alternative in my area, other than euthanization which I would not consider doing to this wonderful little orange furball who rescued us five and a half years ago. I also appreciate very much the time and effort Amani put in to help me with her experience of successfully treating an FeLV positive kitty, her expertise in interpreting lab results, and her friendship in supporting me on the roller coaster of his illness, cheering with me at his achievements, laughing with me at his antics, and finally crying with me as I lost him. For me, there will be other kitties perhaps. I do have two others, but there will never ever be anything close to another cat like our Tigger Babe. Yes, we can keep the bathroom doors open now and not have shredded TP, we can open windows and doors and not get scratch marks in the screens, we don't have to lock the door when we're gone because we are crazy cat-people and afraid he would get out and be lost, we don't have to put chairs in front of the cupboard doors so he doesn't go in them, we don't have exorbitant vet bills, but I would gladly go back to all of that to have him back. I thank everyone who commented on things to try to help him, for all your suggestions - I did try several of them. For now, I just have to remember the five wonderful years Tigger spent with us! Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: Monday, May 9, 2016 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky cat) and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him, tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her. Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would like a snack. Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to improve... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Hi Rachel There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They start acting quickly and th
Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger
Cats. You gotta love them! Ouch on your broken arm, that makes EVERYTHING more difficult. Ugh. -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net [mailto:dlg...@windstream.net] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2016 3:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Rachel Dagner Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger How many times has someone gotten out and I spent hours wandering up and down the road calling, hoping and prying, no results. I come in, give up and then notice the culprit standing at the window scratching at it and meowing, acting like i had pushed them out and refused to let them in. At this point, I do not know if I should punish them or pick them up and love the life out of them. Dee did this the other day and she never runs of, always wants back in within 1/2 hour. And me with a broken arm, having to use a cane! I wanted to kill her but was so glad she was back home all I could do was hug her. Rachel Dagner wrote: > My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one > sneaky cat) and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him, tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her. Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would like a snack. Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to improve... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Hi Rachel There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They start acting quickly and they reduce inflammation and tamp down the immune system. Anabolic steroids, like Winstrol, on the other hand, build muscle and tissue, speed up healing, increase appetite and strength, and are also used in humans (and cats) to up red cell production in profound anemia. Unlike prednisone, Winstrol does not damp down the immune system. Using the two together works well in cats, and one thing about cats - they have a VERY different responses to steroids than humans and dogs. Cats have a very good response to prednisone and they do not suffer most of the side effects one sees in people and dogs and you don’t need to be nearly as careful in with the use of corticosteroids in cats (especially the need to gradually taper them off as you do with people and dogs). Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-06-16 11:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Yes, he is on a long acting prednisone right now due to the lymphoma, my vet (not holistic) has always cringed when we put him steroids because they say it has bad side effects to begin with, and with FELV it suppresses the immune system, yes I know, completely contradictory to what your experience with steroids has been. One of the three parts of his Vitality Science protocol is an herbal anti-inflammatory that I give him twice a day one hour after the other treatments. I also put him on NVH Tripsy which a lot of positive reviews for UTIs and crystals. But definitely if I notice even the smallest amount of urination problems I will take your advice and discuss with my vet keeping him on it long term. I also have metacam at home in my arsenal of just in case of a urinary issue from my vet, it is a non steroidal anti-inflammatory. My vet cringes about that to, I think because they feel it is not as safe in cats as it is in dogs... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 11:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Rachel I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling down with prednisone may be effective. This wouldn’t requir
Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger
How many times has someone gotten out and I spent hours wandering up and down the road calling, hoping and prying, no results. I come in, give up and then notice the culprit standing at the window scratching at it and meowing, acting like i had pushed them out and refused to let them in. At this point, I do not know if I should punish them or pick them up and love the life out of them. Dee did this the other day and she never runs of, always wants back in within 1/2 hour. And me with a broken arm, having to use a cane! I wanted to kill her but was so glad she was back home all I could do was hug her. Rachel Dagner wrote: > My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky cat) and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him, tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her. Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would like a snack. Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to improve... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Hi Rachel There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They start acting quickly and they reduce inflammation and tamp down the immune system. Anabolic steroids, like Winstrol, on the other hand, build muscle and tissue, speed up healing, increase appetite and strength, and are also used in humans (and cats) to up red cell production in profound anemia. Unlike prednisone, Winstrol does not damp down the immune system. Using the two together works well in cats, and one thing about cats - they have a VERY different responses to steroids than humans and dogs. Cats have a very good response to prednisone and they do not suffer most of the side effects one sees in people and dogs and you don’t need to be nearly as careful in with the use of corticosteroids in cats (especially the need to gradually taper them off as you do with people and dogs). Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-06-16 11:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Yes, he is on a long acting prednisone right now due to the lymphoma, my vet (not holistic) has always cringed when we put him steroids because they say it has bad side effects to begin with, and with FELV it suppresses the immune system, yes I know, completely contradictory to what your experience with steroids has been. One of the three parts of his Vitality Science protocol is an herbal anti-inflammatory that I give him twice a day one hour after the other treatments. I also put him on NVH Tripsy which a lot of positive reviews for UTIs and crystals. But definitely if I notice even the smallest amount of urination problems I will take your advice and discuss with my vet keeping him on it long term. I also have metacam at home in my arsenal of just in case of a urinary issue from my vet, it is a non steroidal anti-inflammatory. My vet cringes about that to, I think because they feel it is not as safe in cats as it is in dogs... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 11:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Rachel I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling down with prednisone may be effective. This wouldn’t require you to discontinue the holistic or alternative therapies. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-06-16 9:21 AM To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless Yes, it was that grou
Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger
You are the first one I have heard from for a couple of days. Rachel Dagner wrote: > My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky cat) and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him, tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her. Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would like a snack. Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to improve... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Hi Rachel There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They start acting quickly and they reduce inflammation and tamp down the immune system. Anabolic steroids, like Winstrol, on the other hand, build muscle and tissue, speed up healing, increase appetite and strength, and are also used in humans (and cats) to up red cell production in profound anemia. Unlike prednisone, Winstrol does not damp down the immune system. Using the two together works well in cats, and one thing about cats - they have a VERY different responses to steroids than humans and dogs. Cats have a very good response to prednisone and they do not suffer most of the side effects one sees in people and dogs and you don’t need to be nearly as careful in with the use of corticosteroids in cats (especially the need to gradually taper them off as you do with people and dogs). Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-06-16 11:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Yes, he is on a long acting prednisone right now due to the lymphoma, my vet (not holistic) has always cringed when we put him steroids because they say it has bad side effects to begin with, and with FELV it suppresses the immune system, yes I know, completely contradictory to what your experience with steroids has been. One of the three parts of his Vitality Science protocol is an herbal anti-inflammatory that I give him twice a day one hour after the other treatments. I also put him on NVH Tripsy which a lot of positive reviews for UTIs and crystals. But definitely if I notice even the smallest amount of urination problems I will take your advice and discuss with my vet keeping him on it long term. I also have metacam at home in my arsenal of just in case of a urinary issue from my vet, it is a non steroidal anti-inflammatory. My vet cringes about that to, I think because they feel it is not as safe in cats as it is in dogs... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 11:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Rachel I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling down with prednisone may be effective. This wouldn’t require you to discontinue the holistic or alternative therapies. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-06-16 9:21 AM To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless Yes, it was that group, and they continued to make me feel horrible even after I tried to explain my circumstances, and why I was trying something else. I was told over and over flat out that holistic does not work and my cat would die soon. If my situation with Tucker was different I would have done chemo, I would never tell someone not to do chemo on their pet. Even if someone said they would do nothing at all "palliative care" I would support them, as it is so painful to lose an animal no matter what you choose. I pray every day that I am giving Tucker QOL and that he
Re: [Felvtalk] Tucker escapade, & Tigger
My boyfriend accidentally let him out Saturday morning (he is one sneaky cat) and I spent an hour and a half following him around and trying to get him, tried every trick in the book, I was upset because I was just about to do his supplements when he made his escape. He stayed well out of reach chasing lizards and bugs and very much enjoying himself with no concern for my worries. I finally gave up and decided to work in the yard thinking he would get curious and I could snatch him. My neighbor comes over and asked me if I know he's out and I tell her yes and that I can't get him, that it is impossible. She says to let her try, she walks over to my door I had open for him and says come here Tucker. He walks right in the door and she closes it behind him. I think she was pretty surprised by the big hug I gave her. Then I came in and he acted as if nothing had happened and told me he would like a snack. Has anyone heard from Ardy about Tigger. I hope he is continuing to improve... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 12:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Hi Rachel There are TWO types of steroids. Prednisone is corticosteroid. Winstrol is an anabolic steroid. In contrast to anabolic steroids, corticosteroids like Prednisone are used in inflammatory condition to reduce inflammation. They start acting quickly and they reduce inflammation and tamp down the immune system. Anabolic steroids, like Winstrol, on the other hand, build muscle and tissue, speed up healing, increase appetite and strength, and are also used in humans (and cats) to up red cell production in profound anemia. Unlike prednisone, Winstrol does not damp down the immune system. Using the two together works well in cats, and one thing about cats - they have a VERY different responses to steroids than humans and dogs. Cats have a very good response to prednisone and they do not suffer most of the side effects one sees in people and dogs and you don’t need to be nearly as careful in with the use of corticosteroids in cats (especially the need to gradually taper them off as you do with people and dogs). Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-06-16 11:57 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Yes, he is on a long acting prednisone right now due to the lymphoma, my vet (not holistic) has always cringed when we put him steroids because they say it has bad side effects to begin with, and with FELV it suppresses the immune system, yes I know, completely contradictory to what your experience with steroids has been. One of the three parts of his Vitality Science protocol is an herbal anti-inflammatory that I give him twice a day one hour after the other treatments. I also put him on NVH Tripsy which a lot of positive reviews for UTIs and crystals. But definitely if I notice even the smallest amount of urination problems I will take your advice and discuss with my vet keeping him on it long term. I also have metacam at home in my arsenal of just in case of a urinary issue from my vet, it is a non steroidal anti-inflammatory. My vet cringes about that to, I think because they feel it is not as safe in cats as it is in dogs... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, May 06, 2016 11:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Urinary Tract Issues Rachel I think you mentioned before that you had had Tucker on prednisone, and if you haven’t, then my suggestion would be having him on that for sure, on an ongoing basis. Sounds like one of the problems is that the area may be inflamed and thus, the whole blocks up again and again. Keeping the swelling down with prednisone may be effective. This wouldn’t require you to discontinue the holistic or alternative therapies. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Dagner Sent: May-06-16 9:21 AM To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV cat in Charleston - owner is homeless Yes, it was that group, and they continued to make me feel horrible even after I tried to explain my circumstances, and why I was trying something else. I was told over and over flat out that holistic does not work and my cat would die soon. If my situation with Tucker was different I would have done chemo, I would never tell someone not to do chemo on their pet. Even if someone said they would do nothing at all "palliative care" I would support them, as it is so painful to lose an animal no matter what you choose. I pray every day that I am giving Tucker QOL and that he defies the odds and lasts as long as he would have with Chemo. My parents did (very expensive