Re: [Felvtalk] i was wrong. it wasn't the ifa test the vet ran.
Shelters don't kill cats. The public does. I work for a county shelter and yes, we do euthanize. As few animals as possible, but we do euthanize. It isn't the shelters' fault. They get incredible numbers of animals dumped on them every day. Most of our cats are friendly cats picked up as strays. So, if someone lets his or her cat roam outside, and the cat gets picked up by animal control, and no one bothers to reclaim the cat (she always comes back in a few days or we just figured he ran away) or no one adopts the animal and the animal gets PTS, who's the killer? It's the irresponsible, lazy owner who didn't want to clean the litterbox or spend 50 cents worth of gas to drive to AC to check if the cat is there. Not the shelter workers, who have a miserable job to do have to do it because animal welfare is on the bottom of most counties' financial priorities. Mandatory spay/neuter would help. Good luck with that out here in good ol' boy country. Most people at shelters work very, very hard to get animals adopted out and feel like absolute failures when they can't. Rescues come and pick the prettiest and the fanciest dogs and cats; for the most part, there's very little actual rescue going on there. Just my 2 cents. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] i was wrong. it wasn't the ifa test the vet ran.
I would also like to add that the picking and choosing primarily occurs with dog rescues, not cat rescues. We've had cat rescues take FeLV+ cats from us, cats with one eye, cats with real problems, very senior cats. It's not all of them, by any means, but quite a few of the dog rescues who take animals from us seem to want only small, very adoptable dogs or purebreds. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] i was wrong. it wasn't the ifa test the vet ran.
Hi Laura, In many cases I would say this is true, because those animals are going to be the easiest to find homes for, and lets face it the ones that have health issues are going to cost the rescues lots of money to fix and many if not most people who adopt from rescues don't want to pay the ridiculously high adoption fee. Rescues come and pick the prettiest and the fanciest dogs and cats; for the most part, there's very little actual rescue going on there. That said, I work with many rescues and some of them actually go out of their way to find the ones they know are going to be euthanized to save, I am very proud of these groups, they spend a ton of money on getting these guy ready to be adoptable and it mostly comes out of their own pockets because right now donations are at an all time low. One of my rescues in particular has recently spent thousands and thousands on dogs that have had to have major surgeries and took a whole litter and mom who ended up coming from the shelter with parvo, they saved every last one of them and it cost them a fortune. They did get some donations but the majority of the money came from what they had saved up to use to rescue. It completely drained their funds but all of those animals are alive and will eventually find good homes. This rescue is in Maryland and they tirelessly work to pull those animals that will absolutely be euthanized. My Lhasa rescue pulls and takes many, many seniors and behavioral problem dogs, seniors who have devoted their lives loving their human only to be dumped when they become a problem because of health issues or the owners have decided they want to travel or just don't want to bother anymore with their devoted pet ... sickening. They also take many puppy mill dogs, many end up being forever fosters because it would be too traumatic to rehome them, they have a lot of issues, and then some do fine once they learn how to be a dog and are rehomed. They are a nationwide group and have more funds at their disposal but they too deplete their funds constantly because of declining donations. And yes every once in a while they take puppies or younger dogs because that does help bring funds in when they can easily adopt those into homes and get the adoption fee. But they still spend alot more than they get in as far as donations go. The head of this group lives in PA and is working with the state government to put the Amish Puppy Mills out of business and has really made a difference, many of them have closed and many more are closing. The Amish are horrible when it comes to their animals, just horrible. I just wanted to make a point for those rescues who really are in it to save the animals and are trying to educate the public to be responsible pet owners. And you are right about one thing for sure, it is people, the irresponsible owners who don't spay/neuter that are to blame for the death of so many healthy animals. Until we learn to value ALL life as worthy and more people understand that our pets have feelings and feel love for us and feel our love for them it will never change, people are selfish and many tell themselves animals don't have feelings and they are just an animal we will have this problem. We as a nation and world are in a sad state of affairs, I don't have many close, personal friends because honestly I don't like most people! *** Not anyone on my groups of course because we all think alike ... and know what life and living is all about. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://bemikitties.com http://BelindaSauro.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] i was wrong. it wasn't the ifa test the vet ran.
ONLY PROBLEM IN OUR COUNTY IS THAT ANIMAL CONTROL IS TAKE IT OUT AND SHOT IT BE IT DOG OR CAT. WE HAVE A VOLUNTEER RESCUE GROUP BUT VERY FEW ANIMALS GET TO THEM FROM ANIMAL CONTROL. IF ANY OF MY CATS GO MISSING, I PATROL THE HOUSES WITHIN 1 MILE AND THEN CALL PALS, THE RESUCE GROUP. COURSE, MOST OF ROAMING ANIMALS ARE NOT NEUTERED OR SPAYED AND THAT IS WHY THEY ROAM. MY GIRLS AND BOY GO OUT FOR A FEW HOURS IN THE AM AND IF IT IS NICE, UNTIL 2 OR SO IN THE AFTERNOON. THEN THEY ARE IN FOR THE NIGHT. THEY NEVER GO MUCH BEYOND 100 YARDS FROM THE HOUSE BECAUSE THEY ARE WELL FED AND LOVED AND THEY ARE ALL FIXED. WISH EVERYONE ELSE WOULD DO THAT, WOULD PREVENT MANY UNWANTED KITTENS AND PUPPIES. LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: Shelters don't kill cats. The public does. I work for a county shelter and yes, we do euthanize. As few animals as possible, but we do euthanize. It isn't the shelters' fault. They get incredible numbers of animals dumped on them every day. Most of our cats are friendly cats picked up as strays. So, if someone lets his or her cat roam outside, and the cat gets picked up by animal control, and no one bothers to reclaim the cat (she always comes back in a few days or we just figured he ran away) or no one adopts the animal and the animal gets PTS, who's the killer? It's the irresponsible, lazy owner who didn't want to clean the litterbox or spend 50 cents worth of gas to drive to AC to check if the cat is there. Not the shelter workers, who have a miserable job to do have to do it because animal welfare is on the bottom of most counties' financial priorities. Mandatory spay/neuter would help. Good luck with that out here in good ol' boy country. Most people at shelters work very, very hard to get animals adopted out and feel like absolute failures when they can't. Rescues come and pick the prettiest and the fanciest dogs and cats; for the most part, there's very little actual rescue going on there. Just my 2 cents. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] i was wrong. it wasn't the ifa test the vet ran.
ok, so i'm not sure now as to sport being positive or negative for felv.. the vet wants to retest him when he returns in 3 weeks this time i think with the elisa. i thought she said sport wasn't positive for felv but maybe she said the test she ran (ifa) didn't show sport as being positive for felv. i called yesterday and asked to have her call me. when she did, i had already left for work. she did leave a message on my phone saying that the other vet finally did fax her with the details (she asked him to last monday and had to ask again yesterday before he sent them.) so i called today and asked which test the other place had run. the test the other place ran WAS the elisa. mind you, when he told me that sport was felv+, i said that was hardly even possible and i wanted him retested. that vet didn't seem to want to retest and said the test was very accurate and almost NEVER NEVER wrong. well, i can accurately say that i will probably NEVER NEVER go back to that vet again. and i won't even mention the lousy reviews i have found on the internet today regarding them. anyway, i am fairly certain sport is going to be ok but i'm going ahead with this vet's recommendation of retesting.again and possibly again a few more times. not quite as confident as i was yesterday but still can see a ray of hope and not completely resigned to accepting the worse as i had been doing for most of the previous three weeks. just like everything else, the more i know, the more i know i don't know. no wonder it is said ignorance is bliss. this mailing list is so depressing. it seems like at least one person, if not more report they loss a cat or yet another cat to felv in every digest i read. i have to wonder exactly how many cats die every day from this disease. in the united states, does any one know which claims more cats... felv or kill shelters? just curious. i know kill shelters are responsible for millions of less cats and kittens every year on this planet but does felv compare with that? (and the quote marks around that word are put there because i don't accept that term when used with state or county in reference to animal control.) again, i wanted to say my heart goes out to all of you who have had losses. i am going to try and stick it out on this mailing list at least for a while since there is a slight chance sport actually could be positive. but how could he be positive?? felv infected invisible cat ghosts walk through the entry door and contaminate my cats food, water and litterbox? oh well, i have had more than my share of unexplainable events happen in my life so the ghost cats wouldn't actually surprise me nor scare me, LOL! one more question. is there a certain font used with sending and receing these mailings? when i read them, there always are question marks place here and there in the messages. even found some in a message i had sent. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] i was wrong. it wasn't the ifa test the vet ran.
TwistedPrincess, Kill shelters kill more cats than ANYTHING else in the US. More than any disease, more than old age, more than being hit by cars or accidents or anything you can think of. I have not lost any cats to complications of FELV, but I have lost them to heart attack, chronic renal failure, and cancer. I know what you mean about the list being depressing and I still cry every time I read it but to put into perspective kill shelters kill MILLIONS of animals a year. The pound in my area kills 30-40 animals PER DAY. I have a cat with congenital heart disease and I can barely stand to read the heart disease list, so I know how you feel. But she has taught me to live in the moment and treasure each day, and she will be 5 in September, which is an absolute miracle for the type of congenital heart disease she has (she has a complete endiocardial cushion defect - very rare and very bad). They never last long enough, even if we have them for 20 years and it is always sad when a furbaby dies. But we are the lucky ones for having them in our lives. Kelley (who is woefully far behind in her interpersoal correspondence) On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Twisted Princess twistedprinces...@yahoo.com wrote: ok, so i'm not sure now as to sport being positive or negative for felv.. the vet wants to retest him when he returns in 3 weeks this time i think with the elisa. i thought she said sport wasn't positive for felv but maybe she said the test she ran (ifa) didn't show sport as being positive for felv. i called yesterday and asked to have her call me. when she did, i had already left for work. she did leave a message on my phone saying that the other vet finally did fax her with the details (she asked him to last monday and had to ask again yesterday before he sent them.) so i called today and asked which test the other place had run. the test the other place ran WAS the elisa. mind you, when he told me that sport was felv+, i said that was hardly even possible and i wanted him retested. that vet didn't seem to want to retest and said the test was very accurate and almost NEVER NEVER wrong. well, i can accurately say that i will probably NEVER NEVER go back to that vet again. and i won't even mention the lousy reviews i have found on the internet today regarding them. anyway, i am fairly certain sport is going to be ok but i'm going ahead with this vet's recommendation of retesting.again and possibly again a few more times. not quite as confident as i was yesterday but still can see a ray of hope and not completely resigned to accepting the worse as i had been doing for most of the previous three weeks. just like everything else, the more i know, the more i know i don't know. no wonder it is said ignorance is bliss. this mailing list is so depressing. it seems like at least one person, if not more report they loss a cat or yet another cat to felv in every digest i read. i have to wonder exactly how many cats die every day from this disease. in the united states, does any one know which claims more cats... felv or kill shelters? just curious. i know kill shelters are responsible for millions of less cats and kittens every year on this planet but does felv compare with that? (and the quote marks around that word are put there because i don't accept that term when used with state or county in reference to animal control.) again, i wanted to say my heart goes out to all of you who have had losses. i am going to try and stick it out on this mailing list at least for a while since there is a slight chance sport actually could be positive. but how could he be positive?? felv infected invisible cat ghosts walk through the entry door and contaminate my cats food, water and litterbox? oh well, i have had more than my share of unexplainable events happen in my life so the ghost cats wouldn't actually surprise me nor scare me, LOL! one more question. is there a certain font used with sending and receing these mailings? when i read them, there always are question marks place here and there in the messages. even found some in a message i had sent. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Help us spay some kitties! http://rescuties.chipin.com/feed-hungry-animals Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
