Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply
Dot, I can relate to your cost situation, I don't have ferals, but 7 indoor/outdoor cats of my own and it does get pricey. Half were feral, rest were given up by owners and the "sucker" culd not turn them away. I aerage $100.00 per month on food and litter (Worlds Best because it is corn based and not clay). I like Worlds Best because it is lighter weight, last longer and can be composted. Good luck in your search for food. dot winkler wrote: > Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food? Or how do I get > it at cost? I work alone and don't belong to an organization. thanks, Dot From: Beth To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I could use the links/recipe for my pride. Right now they get dry duck alternated with canned and the mice,moles, voles and srews they catch outside. They very seldom get a bird because theya are too fast for them. I have a neighbor who raises rabbits for food and I could get one from him. I tried one, but just gave it to them and they backed off from it. I think it was bigger than they are and that bothered them. Found one recipe that said use ground meat, bones, organs, the whole animal. Yes or no? I have noticed that when they catch a mouse, or mole, they never eat the organs. Any reason why? Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: > The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself, > using balanced recipes online (I can send you links and my own recipe, if > you like). I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could > otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best > commercial canned food out there (currently Merrick Before Grain, even > though Merrick has had some complaints about their dog food). That's > about 70 cents/day/cat, and you could probably be doing it for 35 > cents/day/cat. You'll also save on vet bills for diabetes, etc., and they > won't be as susceptible to urinary problems, which can kill a male in hours > before you even notice it. > > A local pet store gives me outdated raw and canned food. (I refuse the dry > food, as it's so bad for cats.) If you let them know you're feeding > ferals, one of yours may do the same. > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Beth wrote: > > > Talk to local rescues. Our rescue strictly uses Science Diet, so when > > people donate other kinds of food, they give it to volunteers or feral > > feeders. Sometimes it's really high quality food, sometimes not. > > We also have something called Daffy's Pet Soup Kitchen which provides food > > to people who cannot afford it. There are 2 organizations like that in our > > area. > > The best thing to do would be to get friendly with a shelter that can > > provide you with info on resources. > > > > Beth > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> > > > > > > -- > > *From:* dot winkler > > *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:24 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply > > > > Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food? Or how do I > > get it at cost? I work alone and don't belong to an organization. thanks, > > Dot > > > > -- > > *From:* Beth > > *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? > > > > Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in > > Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You > > could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. > > > > Beth > > > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> > > > > > > -- > > *From:* dot winkler > > *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? > > > > Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price > > of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not > > TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. > > (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much > > money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad > > situation for me. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia
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Here's some great info on cats: http://www.catinfo.org/ Do your cats not like canned food? Have you ever tried? I would prepare a dish with 1/2 the normal amount of dry food and next to it some canned food. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply Ok, I goofed. My guys are on dry "blue buffalo duck. How do I break the adiction? GRAS wrote: > Feeding dry food to outside cats is often the only option, especially in the > winter, so that the food doesn’t freeze. Dry food should never be the ONLY > food for cats, but as a supplement, it’s OK. Unfortunately, many people feed > only dry food. It was found that dry food is extremely addictive to cats > because of what they put into it. > > > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:10 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply > > > > The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself, > using balanced recipes online (I can send you links and my own recipe, if > you like). I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could > otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best > commercial canned food out there (currently Merrick Before Grain, even though > Merrick has had some complaints about their dog food). That's about 70 > cents/day/cat, and you could probably be doing it for 35 cents/day/cat. > You'll also save on vet bills for diabetes, etc., and they won't be as > susceptible to urinary problems, which can kill a male in hours before you > even notice it. > > > > A local pet store gives me outdated raw and canned food. (I refuse the dry > food, as it's so bad for cats.) If you let them know you're feeding ferals, > one of yours may do the same. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Beth wrote: > > Talk to local rescues. Our rescue strictly uses Science Diet, so when people > donate other kinds of food, they give it to volunteers or feral feeders. > Sometimes it's really high quality food, sometimes not. > > We also have something called Daffy's Pet Soup Kitchen which provides food to > people who cannot afford it. There are 2 organizations like that in our area. > > The best thing to do would be to get friendly with a shelter that can provide > you with info on resources. > > > Beth > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> > > > > > > _ > > From: dot winkler > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply > > > > Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food? Or how do I get > it at cost? I work alone and don't belong to an organization. thanks, Dot > > > > _ > > From: Beth > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? > > > > Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in > Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You > could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. > > > > Beth > > > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> > > > > > > _ > > From: dot winkler > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? > > > > Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of > free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I > don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they > are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them > each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. > > > > _ > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/ma
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply
If they won't go cold turkey, start adding small amounts of the food you want them to eat, gradually increasing it and decreasing the amounts of the food you don't want them to eat. You'll end up by crumbling the dry food onto the full portion of the new food, and then you can test if you can stop that, too. On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 5:24 PM, wrote: > Ok, I goofed. My guys are on dry "blue buffalo duck. How do I break the > adiction? > > > GRAS wrote: > > Feeding dry food to outside cats is often the only option, especially in > the winter, so that the food doesn’t freeze. Dry food should never be the > ONLY food for cats, but as a supplement, it’s OK. Unfortunately, many > people feed only dry food. It was found that dry food is extremely > addictive to cats because of what they put into it. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto: > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:10 AM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply > > > > > > > > The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself, > using balanced recipes online (I can send you links and my own recipe, if > you like). I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could > otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best > commercial canned food out there (currently Merrick Before Grain, even > though Merrick has had some complaints about their dog food). That's > about 70 cents/day/cat, and you could probably be doing it for 35 > cents/day/cat. You'll also save on vet bills for diabetes, etc., and they > won't be as susceptible to urinary problems, which can kill a male in hours > before you even notice it. > > > > > > > > A local pet store gives me outdated raw and canned food. (I refuse the > dry food, as it's so bad for cats.) If you let them know you're feeding > ferals, one of yours may do the same. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Beth wrote: > > > > Talk to local rescues. Our rescue strictly uses Science Diet, so when > people donate other kinds of food, they give it to volunteers or feral > feeders. Sometimes it's really high quality food, sometimes not. > > > > We also have something called Daffy's Pet Soup Kitchen which provides > food to people who cannot afford it. There are 2 organizations like that in > our area. > > > > The best thing to do would be to get friendly with a shelter that can > provide you with info on resources. > > > > > > Beth > > > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > From: dot winkler > > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:24 AM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply > > > > > > > > Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food? Or how do I > get it at cost? I work alone and don't belong to an organization. thanks, > Dot > > > > > > > > _ > > > > From: Beth > > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? > > > > > > > > Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in > Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You > could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. > > > > > > > > Beth > > > > > > > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > From: dot winkler > > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? > > > > > > > > Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price > of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not > TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. > (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much > money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad > situatio
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Ok, I goofed. My guys are on dry "blue buffalo duck. How do I break the adiction? GRAS wrote: > Feeding dry food to outside cats is often the only option, especially in the > winter, so that the food doesn’t freeze. Dry food should never be the ONLY > food for cats, but as a supplement, it’s OK. Unfortunately, many people feed > only dry food. It was found that dry food is extremely addictive to cats > because of what they put into it. > > > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:10 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply > > > > The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself, > using balanced recipes online (I can send you links and my own recipe, if > you like). I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could > otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best > commercial canned food out there (currently Merrick Before Grain, even though > Merrick has had some complaints about their dog food). That's about 70 > cents/day/cat, and you could probably be doing it for 35 cents/day/cat. > You'll also save on vet bills for diabetes, etc., and they won't be as > susceptible to urinary problems, which can kill a male in hours before you > even notice it. > > > > A local pet store gives me outdated raw and canned food. (I refuse the dry > food, as it's so bad for cats.) If you let them know you're feeding ferals, > one of yours may do the same. > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Beth wrote: > > Talk to local rescues. Our rescue strictly uses Science Diet, so when people > donate other kinds of food, they give it to volunteers or feral feeders. > Sometimes it's really high quality food, sometimes not. > > We also have something called Daffy's Pet Soup Kitchen which provides food to > people who cannot afford it. There are 2 organizations like that in our area. > > The best thing to do would be to get friendly with a shelter that can provide > you with info on resources. > > > Beth > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> > > > > > > _ > > From: dot winkler > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:24 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply > > > > Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food? Or how do I get > it at cost? I work alone and don't belong to an organization. thanks, Dot > > > > _ > > From: Beth > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? > > > > Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in > Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You > could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. > > > > Beth > > > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> > > > > > > _ > > From: dot winkler > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? > > > > Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of > free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I > don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they > are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them > each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. > > > > _ > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > >
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On that note, talk to some of the small groceries and or meat shops. I get a lot of quick sale meat...still very good...for my guys. I got a pound and a half + of sirloin tip for $2 today. That will make 8 meals for the two inside cats + 4 meals for the dog. I add green beans and other things to the dog's diet but not so much the cats and vary their food frequently. I just had geriatric blood work done on all three even though they aren't that old and the results were wonderful. And they all have very clean teeth. This beats even cheap canned food and I know what they are eating. On Aug 29, 2012, at 8:10 AM, Kathryn Hargreaves wrote: The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself, using balanced recipes online (I can send you links and my own recipe, if you like). I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best commercial canned food out there (currently Merrick Before Grain, even though Merrick has had some complaints about their dog food). That's about 70 cents/day/cat, and you could probably be doing it for 35 cents/day/cat. You'll also save on vet bills for diabetes, etc., and they won't be as susceptible to urinary problems, which can kill a male in hours before you even notice it. A local pet store gives me outdated raw and canned food. (I refuse the dry food, as it's so bad for cats.) If you let them know you're feeding ferals, one of yours may do the same. On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Beth wrote: Talk to local rescues. Our rescue strictly uses Science Diet, so when people donate other kinds of food, they give it to volunteers or feral feeders. Sometimes it's really high quality food, sometimes not. We also have something called Daffy's Pet Soup Kitchen which provides food to people who cannot afford it. There are 2 organizations like that in our area. The best thing to do would be to get friendly with a shelter that can provide you with info on resources. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food? Or how do I get it at cost? I work alone and don't belong to an organization. thanks, Dot From: Beth To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org h
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Feeding dry food to outside cats is often the only option, especially in the winter, so that the food doesn’t freeze. Dry food should never be the ONLY food for cats, but as a supplement, it’s OK. Unfortunately, many people feed only dry food. It was found that dry food is extremely addictive to cats because of what they put into it. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:10 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself, using balanced recipes online (I can send you links and my own recipe, if you like). I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best commercial canned food out there (currently Merrick Before Grain, even though Merrick has had some complaints about their dog food). That's about 70 cents/day/cat, and you could probably be doing it for 35 cents/day/cat. You'll also save on vet bills for diabetes, etc., and they won't be as susceptible to urinary problems, which can kill a male in hours before you even notice it. A local pet store gives me outdated raw and canned food. (I refuse the dry food, as it's so bad for cats.) If you let them know you're feeding ferals, one of yours may do the same. On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Beth wrote: Talk to local rescues. Our rescue strictly uses Science Diet, so when people donate other kinds of food, they give it to volunteers or feral feeders. Sometimes it's really high quality food, sometimes not. We also have something called Daffy's Pet Soup Kitchen which provides food to people who cannot afford it. There are 2 organizations like that in our area. The best thing to do would be to get friendly with a shelter that can provide you with info on resources. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> _ From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food? Or how do I get it at cost? I work alone and don't belong to an organization. thanks, Dot _ From: Beth To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> _ From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/ <http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/
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The cheapest yet healthiest food I've found is raw that I mix up myself, using balanced recipes online (I can send you links and my own recipe, if you like). I buy at Whole Foods, so I'm paying about twice what you could otherwise---and I'm still only paying about half the amount of the best commercial canned food out there (currently Merrick Before Grain, even though Merrick has had some complaints about their dog food). That's about 70 cents/day/cat, and you could probably be doing it for 35 cents/day/cat. You'll also save on vet bills for diabetes, etc., and they won't be as susceptible to urinary problems, which can kill a male in hours before you even notice it. A local pet store gives me outdated raw and canned food. (I refuse the dry food, as it's so bad for cats.) If you let them know you're feeding ferals, one of yours may do the same. On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Beth wrote: > Talk to local rescues. Our rescue strictly uses Science Diet, so when > people donate other kinds of food, they give it to volunteers or feral > feeders. Sometimes it's really high quality food, sometimes not. > We also have something called Daffy's Pet Soup Kitchen which provides food > to people who cannot afford it. There are 2 organizations like that in our > area. > The best thing to do would be to get friendly with a shelter that can > provide you with info on resources. > > Beth > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> > > > -- > *From:* dot winkler > *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:24 AM > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply > > Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food? Or how do I > get it at cost? I work alone and don't belong to an organization. thanks, > Dot > > -------------- > *From:* Beth > *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? > > Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in > Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You > could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. > > Beth > > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> > > > -- > *From:* dot winkler > *To:* "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? > > Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price > of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not > TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. > (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much > money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad > situation for me. > > -- > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > -- Go Get a Life---Go Get a Shelter Animal! If you can't adopt, then foster "bottle baby" shelter animal, to save their life. Contact your local pound for information. <http://www.laanimalservices.com/volunteer_fostercare.htm> If you can't bottle feed, foster an older animal, to save their life, and to free up cage space. Ask your local animal pound to start saving over 90% of their intake by implementing the No Kill Equation: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/no-kill-equation/<http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/> Here's the current growing list of true No Kill communities: http://www.nokillhouston.org/no-kill-shelters-in-north-america/ Legislate better animal pound conditions: http://www.rescue50.org More fun reading: http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform/guides/ More fun watching: http://vimeo.com/nokill/videos ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Talk to local rescues. Our rescue strictly uses Science Diet, so when people donate other kinds of food, they give it to volunteers or feral feeders. Sometimes it's really high quality food, sometimes not. We also have something called Daffy's Pet Soup Kitchen which provides food to people who cannot afford it. There are 2 organizations like that in our area. The best thing to do would be to get friendly with a shelter that can provide you with info on resources. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food? Or how do I get it at cost? I work alone and don't belong to an organization. thanks, Dot From: Beth To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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MailMail pg - ok I read further your e-mail. That is a good idea - I'll visit Petco where I buy my indoor cats food. And see if they can donate any torn or damaged bags. Anything in particular i should tell them about what i am doing or why that would help them want to give me free food? I also was watching the tv show "Extreme Couponing". One woman bought boxes and boxes of cat food at the supermarket for free with her coupons - it is science they have down pat. Dotty From: MaiMaiPG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Or expired food. It is still good. On Aug 28, 2012, at 6:31 PM, GRAS wrote: You can always go to a large pet supply store and ask if they have any torn/damaged bags of dry food – most will gladly donate them. > >That’s right, chip in is a GRRREAT idea, Beth! >Go to www.chipin.com – you’d be surprised what people collect money for, a >party, a present for someone, and serious stuff! >From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? > >Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in >Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You >could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. > >Beth > >Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!<~WRD000.jpg> www.Furkids.org > > > > > >From: dot winkler >To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? > >Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of >free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I >don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are >all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each >week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. > > > > > > ___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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mailmail pg - Hi. Reading your email, how do you get the free food. I still don't quite understand. You also vet them as you said. Please explain. Are they ferals that you have trapped and kept indoors? Or do you mean that you trap them, neuter and release and vet them when necessary? Sorry - I did not understand and am trying to learn some things so that I can help my 7 outdoor cats. dotty From: MaiMaiPG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? The cats get free food, shelter and the best care we can provide cats that have to be trapped to be vetted. I can provide worming and some other things without touching them but they are cautiousas they should be. It has kept them alive for a long time and allowed them to have a good life ... not the life I would like for them but the life they are born to. If they are going to eat and enjoy the protection we can give them, they make the trip to the vet. Some have managed to avoid trapping for really long times but I do insist and, eventually, they make that trip. We don't have a lot of money either so I do understand. Right now there are 6 ferals plus those who wander by and go on. We don't belong to a program either. We just believe this is something we need to do. Otherwise there would be zillions of cats/kittens here and finding homes is almost impossible. I have always had house cats who were feral at one time and consider them the smartest of cats but they are all very independent...even those that came in when they were very little kittens. Unfortunately, most people want cats who are lap cats or less independent or whatever and don't want to spend the time necessary with ferals. On Aug 28, 2012, at 3:21 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. > > > > > From: MaiMaiPG >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:11 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight > > >Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of >free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I >moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at >that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed >ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will >probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. > >On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: > >Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - >I didn't see any replies. >>I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat >>feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. >>I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and >>will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the >>cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the >>newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility >>would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I >>also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, >>how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this >>cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I >>can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks >> >> >> >> >> From: Marta Gasper >>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM >>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? >> >> >>I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other >>conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it >>for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we >>lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from >>the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein >>content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded >>that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his >>sister also got a FIP dx,
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale/OK/WED REPLY OK
Yes, o.k. Natalie -that is stupendously wonderful. Thank you so much. When you get time. Wow. 80 cats! Where do you take care of these 80 cats? Dotty. I copied your e-mail also for future. From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 5:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale/OK Not for now – I will use what you wrote – and copy you, OK? Will do it after I take care of our 80 cats (inside), and a few special needs with meds and fluids. Natalie If you want to contact me directly, please use my new address (am slowly easing out of my old one). My new email address is: atia@gmail.com From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale/OK Hi. That would be great Natalie. They can use this e-mail. My home number is 732 780 5530 and cell is 732 610 2098. The surgery date is not yet set as I have been putting it off due to the cats which I can't just abandon. I go to doc tonight for possible shot of cortisone to get me through another 3 or 4 months painfree. The surgery is arthroscopy for calcific tendinitis and the recovery is very difficult and painful. I went through it 5 years ago with the other arm. thanks so much - you guys are great , Dotty Any other info? From:Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale Dot, I have access to a large nationwide Animal SOS Alert group – I could put your plea out there. There are an amazing number of animal-caring people in NJ who either belong to rescue groups or work on their own..There’s bound to be someone in that area. Just give me the word, and I will do it (I am in CT). Your e-mail address will be the contact. How about your telephone number? And the date starting with the need for someone to do the feeding (your surgery)? Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale Hi Lorrie - The cats are in the Farmingdale area, NJ. I live in neighboring town, Freehold, NJ. Please, please if there is anyone in this group who live near this area, please contact me. It would be such a wonderful thing. Dotty ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?/reply
Hi Beth - how do I find out about places that donate food? Or how do I get it at cost? I work alone and don't belong to an organization. thanks, Dot From: Beth To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
Or expired food. It is still good. On Aug 28, 2012, at 6:31 PM, GRAS wrote: You can always go to a large pet supply store and ask if they have any torn/damaged bags of dry food – most will gladly donate them. That’s right, chip in is a GRRREAT idea, Beth! Go to www.chipin.com – you’d be surprised what people collect money for, a party, a present for someone, and serious stuff! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!<~WRD000.jpg> www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
The cats get free food, shelter and the best care we can provide cats that have to be trapped to be vetted. I can provide worming and some other things without touching them but they are cautiousas they should be. It has kept them alive for a long time and allowed them to have a good life ... not the life I would like for them but the life they are born to. If they are going to eat and enjoy the protection we can give them, they make the trip to the vet. Some have managed to avoid trapping for really long times but I do insist and, eventually, they make that trip. We don't have a lot of money either so I do understand. Right now there are 6 ferals plus those who wander by and go on. We don't belong to a program either. We just believe this is something we need to do. Otherwise there would be zillions of cats/kittens here and finding homes is almost impossible. I have always had house cats who were feral at one time and consider them the smartest of cats but they are all very independent...even those that came in when they were very little kittens. Unfortunately, most people want cats who are lap cats or less independent or whatever and don't want to spend the time necessary with ferals. On Aug 28, 2012, at 3:21 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. From: MaiMaiPG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no- one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks From: Marta Gasper To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Forgotten Felines To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@fel
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
Wonder about checking with local vets re people who do the same thing? On Aug 28, 2012, at 9:45 AM, Beth wrote: Do you have any local animal rescue web talk boards? I helped a lady out who posted about needing a feeder for her feral colony over Christmas. Also check with local rescues. Most of them all ready have colonies they feed or have volunteers who feed colonies. They can sub I've had my outside ferals for years. If I moved I would have to trap & re-locate them. I'm not leaving them. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
You can always go to a large pet supply store and ask if they have any torn/damaged bags of dry food - most will gladly donate them. That's right, chip in is a GRRREAT idea, Beth! Go to www.chipin.com - you'd be surprised what people collect money for, a party, a present for someone, and serious stuff! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter!Image removed by sender. www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/> _ From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. _ <>___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale/OK
Not for now – I will use what you wrote – and copy you, OK? Will do it after I take care of our 80 cats (inside), and a few special needs with meds and fluids. Natalie If you want to contact me directly, please use my new address (am slowly easing out of my old one). My new email address is:atia@gmail.com From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale/OK Hi. That would be great Natalie. They can use this e-mail. My home number is 732 780 5530 and cell is 732 610 2098. The surgery date is not yet set as I have been putting it off due to the cats which I can't just abandon. I go to doc tonight for possible shot of cortisone to get me through another 3 or 4 months painfree. The surgery is arthroscopy for calcific tendinitis and the recovery is very difficult and painful. I went through it 5 years ago with the other arm. thanks so much - you guys are great , Dotty Any other info? _ From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale Dot, I have access to a large nationwide Animal SOS Alert group – I could put your plea out there. There are an amazing number of animal-caring people in NJ who either belong to rescue groups or work on their own..There’s bound to be someone in that area. Just give me the word, and I will do it (I am in CT). Your e-mail address will be the contact. How about your telephone number? And the date starting with the need for someone to do the feeding (your surgery)? Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale Hi Lorrie - The cats are in the Farmingdale area, NJ. I live in neighboring town, Freehold, NJ. Please, please if there is anyone in this group who live near this area, please contact me. It would be such a wonderful thing. Dotty _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
Are there any places which donate food in your area? We have several in Atlanta. Also rescues can sometimes get food to feral feeders at cost. You could also set up a Chip-in for people to donate $ for food. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food? Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale/OK
Hi. That would be great Natalie. They can use this e-mail. My home number is 732 780 5530 and cell is 732 610 2098. The surgery date is not yet set as I have been putting it off due to the cats which I can't just abandon. I go to doc tonight for possible shot of cortisone to get me through another 3 or 4 months painfree. The surgery is arthroscopy for calcific tendinitis and the recovery is very difficult and painful. I went through it 5 years ago with the other arm. thanks so much - you guys are great , Dotty Any other info? From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale Dot, I have access to a large nationwide Animal SOS Alert group – I could put your plea out there. There are an amazing number of animal-caring people in NJ who either belong to rescue groups or work on their own..There’s bound to be someone in that area. Just give me the word, and I will do it (I am in CT). Your e-mail address will be the contact. How about your telephone number? And the date starting with the need for someone to do the feeding (your surgery)? Natalie From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale Hi Lorrie - The cats are in the Farmingdale area, NJ. I live in neighboring town, Freehold, NJ. Please, please if there is anyone in this group who live near this area, please contact me. It would be such a wonderful thing. Dotty From:Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Please do NOT involve animal control. Shelters everywhere are FULL and these cats will be euthanized. Are any of them socialized (tame) or are they feral? Ferals are not adoptable. I've been feeding and TNR a colony of feral cats for 10 years now. They count on you for food. Where are you located. Perhaps some of the people in this group can pitch in and help while you recover. On 08-27, dot winkler wrote: > Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went > thru - I didn't see any replies. > I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) > cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. > I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 > weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one > else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and > maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps > some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got > the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in > the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people > been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on > forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't > find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks > __ > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale
Dot, I have access to a large nationwide Animal SOS Alert group - I could put your plea out there. There are an amazing number of animal-caring people in NJ who either belong to rescue groups or work on their own..There's bound to be someone in that area. Just give me the word, and I will do it (I am in CT). Your e-mail address will be the contact. How about your telephone number? And the date starting with the need for someone to do the feeding (your surgery)? Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 4:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale Hi Lorrie - The cats are in the Farmingdale area, NJ. I live in neighboring town, Freehold, NJ. Please, please if there is anyone in this group who live near this area, please contact me. It would be such a wonderful thing. Dotty _ From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Please do NOT involve animal control. Shelters everywhere are FULL and these cats will be euthanized. Are any of them socialized (tame) or are they feral? Ferals are not adoptable. I've been feeding and TNR a colony of feral cats for 10 years now. They count on you for food. Where are you located. Perhaps some of the people in this group can pitch in and help while you recover. On 08-27, dot winkler wrote: >Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went >thru - I didn't see any replies. >I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) >cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. >I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 >weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one >else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and >maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps >some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got >the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in >the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people >been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on >forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't >find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks > __ > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/REPLY FROM DOTTY
Where are you located? perhaps we can help search for some resources in your area. From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/REPLY FROM DOTTY Thanks all for your tips. There are at least 4 FRIENDLYs in the group of 7. So I feel those are adoptable. I have yet to find anyone to help feed. Alley cats send me a list. I have to go through it one by one. have a few more contacts from another organization. No bites yet. Just one saying " i can mayb swing by once in a while, et etc) No real committments. It is all so very time consuming. And in the meantime, doc appointmets, work and I am feeling very, very stressed at this point and overwhelmed. I'll re-read all of the mail you all sent with your advice and try to follow some of the tips. Dotty From: Beth To: FeLV Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Do you have any local animal rescue web talk boards? I helped a lady out who posted about needing a feeder for her feral colony over Christmas. Also check with local rescues. Most of them all ready have colonies they feed or have volunteers who feed colonies. They can sub I've had my outside ferals for years. If I moved I would have to trap & re-locate them. I'm not leaving them. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://www.furkids.org/ From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/farmingdale
Hi Lorrie - The cats are in the Farmingdale area, NJ. I live in neighboring town, Freehold, NJ. Please, please if there is anyone in this group who live near this area, please contact me. It would be such a wonderful thing. Dotty From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Please do NOT involve animal control. Shelters everywhere are FULL and these cats will be euthanized. Are any of them socialized (tame) or are they feral? Ferals are not adoptable. I've been feeding and TNR a colony of feral cats for 10 years now. They count on you for food. Where are you located. Perhaps some of the people in this group can pitch in and help while you recover. On 08-27, dot winkler wrote: > Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went > thru - I didn't see any replies. > I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) > cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. > I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 > weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one > else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and > maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps > some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got > the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in > the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people > been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on > forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't > find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks > __ > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/free food?
Hi I was reading your mail. What did you mean about "that is the price of free food?" Do you receive food free for feeding the cats? I do not TNR. I don't belong to any program. Just my lone self feeding the 7 cats. (they are all neutered except 2 by someone else) I have spent so much money on them each week. Money I don't have. It is getting to be a bad situation for me. From: MaiMaiPG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. >I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat >feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. >I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and >will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the >cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the >newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility >would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I >also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, >how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this >cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I >can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks > > > > > From: Marta Gasper >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? > > >I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other >conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it >for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we >lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from >the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein >content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded >that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his >sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous >fluid, no cancer. >I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten > >http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ > > > > From: Forgotten Felines >To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM >Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? > > >My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me >it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight/REPLY FROM DOTTY
Thanks all for your tips. There are at least 4 FRIENDLYs in the group of 7. So I feel those are adoptable. I have yet to find anyone to help feed. Alley cats send me a list. I have to go through it one by one. have a few more contacts from another organization. No bites yet. Just one saying " i can mayb swing by once in a while, et etc) No real committments. It is all so very time consuming. And in the meantime, doc appointmets, work and I am feeling very, very stressed at this point and overwhelmed. I'll re-read all of the mail you all sent with your advice and try to follow some of the tips. Dotty From: Beth To: FeLV Talk Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Do you have any local animal rescue web talk boards? I helped a lady out who posted about needing a feeder for her feral colony over Christmas. Also check with local rescues. Most of them all ready have colonies they feed or have volunteers who feed colonies. They can sub I've had my outside ferals for years. If I moved I would have to trap & re-locate them. I'm not leaving them. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight
Do you have any local animal rescue web talk boards? I helped a lady out who posted about needing a feeder for her feral colony over Christmas. Also check with local rescues. Most of them all ready have colonies they feed or have volunteers who feed colonies. They can sub I've had my outside ferals for years. If I moved I would have to trap & re-locate them. I'm not leaving them. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: dot winkler To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:02 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Heather, you and your bf are wonderful to care for so many cats. I thought I had a lot to care for, but you're amazing. Thank you for caring. Lorrie On 08-27, Heather wrote: >Hi, > >My bf and I feed around 140 cats in 20+ spots (colonies) each day. >Unless they are adoptable and you find homes, or work with a rescue to >find homes, their only option is basically death (which is what will >most likely happen if taken to a shelter). Sadly so many very >adoptable cats are euthanized due to the lack of homes each day. I >have been doing this 8 years now...it really is a lifetime commitment >(as far as the cats' lifetime goes, anyway), unless you find someone >else willing to get involved or take over. Unless the cats are >friendly/adoptable, I would caution you not to raise any attention to >them such as the media...if unadoptable the best thing that you can do >is ensure they are spayed/neutered, vaccinated & ear tipped and tend to >any medical needs that may arise, in which case you might need help or >advise. Alley Cat Allies website is a great info resource, and also has >"feral friends" by area, they might be able to put you in touch with >someone if there is anyone in your area who has registered as >a contact. There is also a great Feral Cats yahoo group where you can >get a lot of great input. > >Ensuring they are all spayed/neutered is the most important part here, >or there will be more cats with the same "plight". ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi, My bf and I feed around 140 cats in 20+ spots (colonies) each day. Unless they are adoptable and you find homes, or work with a rescue to find homes, their only option is basically death (which is what will most likely happen if taken to a shelter). Sadly so many very adoptable cats are euthanized due to the lack of homes each day. I have been doing this 8 years now...it really is a lifetime commitment (as far as the cats' lifetime goes, anyway), unless you find someone else willing to get involved or take over. Unless the cats are friendly/adoptable, I would caution you not to raise any attention to them such as the media...if unadoptable the best thing that you can do is ensure they are spayed/neutered, vaccinated & ear tipped and tend to any medical needs that may arise, in which case you might need help or advise. Alley Cat Allies website is a great info resource, and also has "feral friends" by area, they might be able to put you in touch with someone if there is anyone in your area who has registered as a contact. There is also a great Feral Cats yahoo group where you can get a lot of great input. Ensuring they are all spayed/neutered is the most important part here, or there will be more cats with the same "plight". I hope you can find someone to assist during your recovery, and that your surgery goes well--thank you for caring for these cats! If you can't find anyone to help feed, you could certainly try contacting rescue groups to see if anyone nearby can help while you are recovering. Heather On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: > Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went > thru - I didn't see any replies. > I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat > feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. > I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks > and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed > the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously > the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a > facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the > newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my > other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I > am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me > out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. > Thanks > > -- > *From:* Marta Gasper > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? > > I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other > conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze > it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this > year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted > fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high > protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so > concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was > greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; > yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. > I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten > > http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ > > -- > *From:* Forgotten Felines > *To:* Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > *Sent:* Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? > > My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell > me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree about not calling AC if at all possible. In many counties/cities it is illegal to feed outdoor cats and it could be that animal control will come pick them up. Like she just said, feral cats are not adoptable anyway and AC has no time or people to work with them to try and tame them (which usually isn't possible anyway) so they would be killed right away. AC wouldn't have a choice but to kill them because they can't have cage space taken up indefinitely by animals that will not ever be adopted and can't even be handled. I've been feeding for 11 years. My very first feral just died a few weeks ago of renal lymphoma. I'm not sure of her age but I'd been feeding her for 11 years, so depending on the situation sometimes it can go on forever. Course I've lost some to coyotes, the highway, etc. after just a couple years. Anyway, the few times I've been on vacation I bought a huge self feeder for dogs, like the Petmate things that hold almost a whole bag of food, and left that and it will last for several days or a week if raccoons and other animals aren't around to help eat it. You could do that and try to find someone to check on them and refill the feeder every few days. If you have the funds you could pay a pet sitter to do it. They would just have to go out every 3 days or so. Another thing I would suggest is calling all the local humane societies to see if they have a volunteer that does TNR. Just call the rescues, not Animal Control. You would be surprised at how many people there are that feed ferals. There's probably someone in your area doing it that you just don't know. One other thing is to contact the national group called Alley Cat Allies. They have a network called Feral Friends. They can tell you if there is anyone in your area that you can contact to help with the ferals for that six weeks you can't drive. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2012 18:33:22 -0400 > From: felineres...@frontier.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight > > Please do NOT involve animal control. Shelters everywhere are FULL and > these cats will be euthanized. Are any of them socialized (tame) or are > they feral? Ferals are not adoptable. I've been feeding and TNR a colony of > feral cats for 10 years now. They count on you for food. Where are you > located. Perhaps some of the people in this group can pitch in and help > while you recover. > > > On 08-27, dot winkler wrote: > >Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went > >thru - I didn't see any replies. > >I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) > >cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. > >I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 > >weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one > >else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and > >maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps > >some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got > >the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in > >the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people > >been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on > >forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't > >find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks > > __ > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Please do NOT involve animal control. Shelters everywhere are FULL and these cats will be euthanized. Are any of them socialized (tame) or are they feral? Ferals are not adoptable. I've been feeding and TNR a colony of feral cats for 10 years now. They count on you for food. Where are you located. Perhaps some of the people in this group can pitch in and help while you recover. On 08-27, dot winkler wrote: >Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went >thru - I didn't see any replies. >I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) >cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. >I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 >weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one >else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and >maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps >some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got >the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in >the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people >been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on >forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't >find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks > __ > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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There must be someone who could take over feeding them - especially with colder weather coming (don't know where you are)..they cannot be left without food after relying on it for so long. I have never liked TNR because there were never any people to take responsibility. Since I do rescue and care for many at home, I could not add the responsibility of caring for outside cats, too - there's just not enough time and energy. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hoffman Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight All too true. When I had a house fire in 2007 and moved I packed up my yard cats and brought them along. I still have two of them. One is 11 years old, absolutely untouchable, and she was my first TNR cat. Once you start feeding they learn to depend on you. You can't just walk away and leave them. Where are you located? There must be other feral feeders or TNR groups in your area. Perhaps we can help you find them and you could get some relief while you heal up. (Are the cats you've been feeding all spayed and neutered?) Please do NOT involve your local animal control agency. They very well might round up the cats and kill them. If you want to get those cats homes then take in one or two of the tame ones in at a time and foster until a home is found. From: MaiMaiPG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks From: Marta Gasper To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten <http://homelessnomore.webs.com/> http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Forgotten Felines To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felv
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All too true. When I had a house fire in 2007 and moved I packed up my yard cats and brought them along. I still have two of them. One is 11 years old, absolutely untouchable, and she was my first TNR cat. Once you start feeding they learn to depend on you. You can't just walk away and leave them. Where are you located? There must be other feral feeders or TNR groups in your area. Perhaps we can help you find them and you could get some relief while you heal up. (Are the cats you've been feeding all spayed and neutered?) Please do NOT involve your local animal control agency. They very well might round up the cats and kill them. If you want to get those cats homes then take in one or two of the tame ones in at a time and foster until a home is found. From: MaiMaiPG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. >I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat >feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. >I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and >will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the >cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the >newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility >would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I >also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, >how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this >cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I >can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks > > > > >From: Marta Gasper >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? > > >I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other >conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it >for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we >lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from >the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein >content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded >that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his >sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous >fluid, no cancer. >I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten > >http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ > > > >From: Forgotten Felines >To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM >Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? > > >My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me >it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Does your local shelter have any TNR programs or maybe can connect you with other feeders? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] outdoor cats plight Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks _ From: Marta Gasper To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten <http://homelessnomore.webs.com/> http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ _ From: Forgotten Felines To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Dozens of years re feeding. We trap, s/n and release. That is the price of free food. I would not feel right about abandoning my wild friends. When I moved to care for my mother, I got neighbors to take care of the one feral at that house. I visited when I could and furnished the food. We have fed ferals at Mom's for as long as I can remember. And calling a shelter will probably result in the death of most of the cats you have been caring for. On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:02 PM, dot winkler wrote: Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks From: Marta Gasper To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Forgotten Felines To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi. I threw this out there a few weeks ago but don't i know if it went thru - I didn't see any replies. I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with outdoor (stray) cat feeding. I have been feeding 7 for a year and a half now. I am going to have arm surgery and will not be able to drive for 6 weeks and will have a very difficult postop recovery. I have no-one else to feed the cats. I am thinking of calling some shelters and maybe simultaneously the newspaper to expose their plight. Perhaps some can be adopted, if a facility would take them in and if they got the proper exposure from the newspaper. I also could try to help in the adoption process. ALSO, my other question is, how long have people been feeding their outdoor cats? I am thinking this cannot go on forever. Where do I find people to help me out with it, if I can't find adoptions? Any input on this, would be great. Thanks From: Marta Gasper To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? I wouldn't know..besides of FIP it could be heart trouble and other conditions. Sorry I can't reasure you. The vet can draw fluid and analyze it for protein content, high protein is FIP. Last year and earlier this year we lost two kittens to FIP almost a month apart. When they extracted fluid from the first one it was clear but the analysis confirmed the high protein content. So dx was FIP, later on vet found a large mass growing so concluded that he had pancreatic cancer thus the fluid_at that point was greenish_his sister also got a FIP dx, high prt fluid but more typical; yellow viscous fluid, no cancer. I'm wishing all the best to you and your kitten http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ From: Forgotten Felines To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 5:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] FeLV & Ascites? My FeLV+ kitten developed ascites and I'm worried the vet is going to tell me it's FIP. Does anyone know if ascites is ever related to FeLV? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
