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Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 10:46:13 -0400
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Bob, Has Tobramycin been tried for the eyes??
Sandy W
-----Original Message----- From: Rachel Dagner
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages
I think you need to try to syringe feed the way I mentioned to you, no
matter what you do with the other medications (I would maybe give the
meds
you have a few more days if it were me). You can't let him them go
without
eating for too long. Have you tried the eye wash? I would maybe use
this
each time before you do the eye meds to wash out any gunk. You could
do this
with the towel method on the counter, just like the syringe feeding.
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Of
ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages
After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood
results
and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half
later he
is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab
)when
he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as
well)
Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+
cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have
suggested
uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said... I
have
never been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy....
Those
of you who are using this
protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ?
This
would make the most sense to me...
I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes?? How about
the
Doxy?? Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm
in
asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him
well"... Great idea if he would eat... This was NOT a big problem
until
yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant.. As
this is
the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the mirtazapine
for the
present ( opinions??) Thanks for any input...
Bob
Warwick NY
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
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Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :)
Ardy
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of kat
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
Ardy,
The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who
said
"So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some
time." But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been
to be so successful.
Kat (Mew Jersey)
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson" >
To: 'Amy' >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk]
Cat
Sanctuary
Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most
cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that
mean
they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
Thank you,
Ardy
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
Lorrie,
That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a
no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to
find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the
groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my
home.
We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk
positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with
non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to
contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos?
We
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days
and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't
going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken
in
have converted after some time. We are always looking for more
options
on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains positive and tests
positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for helping these
kitties!!!!
Let me know!
Thanks Amy
_____
From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
Lorrie,
Do you have pictures? I would love to see what you've done!
Kat (Mew Jersey)
Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.
I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big
shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group, but
if
you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you just
see
a two story brick building not the inside.
-
It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get
back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-
My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement. Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath. The cats have access to every room
and
my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.
The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms. The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls.
There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.
Lorrie
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Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:22:22 -0500
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Hi Lorrie - I believe that is why I was keeping Tigger on an
antibiotic - in case he started getting something due to his immune
system. I just wish I would have used doxycycline rather than
convenia. Amani can clarify a bit perhaps.
Ardy
-----Original Message-----
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also
compromises the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone
does?
Lorrie
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Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 07:16:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Margo To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
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Marsha, I'm so sorry.
What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for
others.
He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches,
somewhere far from actual humans.
Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are
struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told
you
to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm
surprised he didn't sing it :(
Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this
...man...hold?
I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any
many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much
better place...
Back after rounds
Margo
-----Original Message-----
From: Marsha Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on
my plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he
informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and
animals).
Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense
in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much, etc. When I
told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he
said,
"Good for you!" All my brain processed was the word "good", which
made his statement come across as highly judgemental. I was more
anxious and feeling more hopeless after I left. Two things I was
seeking help for. I don't need that kind of help. I am pretty sure
that lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any way. And even
if
it was, how would you treat it? Plus I was very depressed and
crying
because the last time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock
died, and I still have Noelle to care for (sinus cancer). I would
like to tell him that HE lacked common sense in saying such things
to
someone in the throes of depression.
Marsha
On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
Rachel
I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one
where they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who
ever thought one could cry over the fate of an unloved and
abandoned
lamp for goodness sake??
My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these
cats who would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so
hard. But I told her that if the people who love cats so much
aren't
going to be the ones who save them and sacrifice for them, it sure
as hell wasn't going to be the people who don't care about them. It
will break your heart Rachel. There is no avoiding it or minimizing
it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful wonderful thing
and
you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little sweetheart
who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this
earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is
nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a
poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry
angels. This gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
Amani
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Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 11:03:01 -0400
From: "swacht" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
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Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd
continue with this "counselor". Would you be comfortable with keeping
a daily journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have
a cat named Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good
feeling.
For me, I found writing helped with my losses. Please give it a try.
Sandy W
-----Original Message----- From: Rachel Dagner
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM
To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you
said you have assisted with transfusions.
Sent from my iPhone
On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo wrote:
Marsha, I'm so sorry.
What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for
others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig
ditches, somewhere far from actual humans.
Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are
struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told
you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again.
I'm surprised he didn't sing it :(
Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this
...man...hold?
I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any
many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much
better place...
Back after rounds
Margo
-----Original Message-----
From: Marsha Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on
my
plate. During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed
me
that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals). Then he
said
he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way -
some drink too much, some eat too much, etc. When I told him that I
wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for
you!"
All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement
come across as highly judgemental. I was more anxious and feeling
more
hopeless after I left. Two things I was seeking help for. I don't
need
that kind of help. I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is
not a
diagnosis in any way. And even if it was, how would you treat it?
Plus
I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this
counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to
care
for (sinus cancer). I would like to tell him that HE lacked common
sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.
Marsha
On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
Rachel
I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one
where they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who
ever thought one could cry over the fate of an unloved and
abandoned lamp for goodness sake??
My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these
cats who would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so
hard. But I told her that if the people who love cats so much
aren't going to be the ones who save them and sacrifice for them,
it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people who don't care about
them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no avoiding it or
minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful
wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably
deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and
devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose
my babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely
painful to me than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry
angels. This gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
Amani
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Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 15:11:10 +0000 (UTC)
From: Amy To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: [Felvtalk]
Cat Sanctuary
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Hi all,
I just wanted to write about my comment about the cats that we have
taken in converting. I'm referring to the cats that have come into the
rescue where I volunteer, not my personal cats. None of my personal
cats have ever converted that I know of. I have do have one positive
that has been with me 12 years that I have not retested. He was
positive on the IFA and snap when I rescued him so I never bothered
retesting. His bloodwork also still shows signs that point to him
being positive. My other cats lived varied lives with the disease,
some less than 2 years, some 4-8, some 10-12.?
We do not see a ton of leuk positives at our shelter. We have had 6 in
the two years that I have been there, a mom and 4 kittens, and an
adult. All 6 were able to fight off the virus and retested negative on
several later tests. We did not do anything special other than
quarantine them, try to reduce stress (which is not easy in a shelter
environment), feed them a quality food and retest at 30, 60, and 90
days. Even though the recommendation is to do an IFA if you get a
positive SNAP, we always wait 30 days and resnap. The reason for that
is we often take cats in from outdoors that may have had casual
contact and may initially test positive but fight it off. The IFA is
expensive to do if we think the cat might fight it off. If when we
retest, the cat is still pos, we do the IFA to confirm. The mom and
the 4 kittens all converted as well as the adult. We held them until
they tested negative on 3 different snap tests each over 30 days
apart. My guess is that the test caught the
exposure right after it happened. My understanding is that this is
NOT the norm. I'm not surprised about the adults fighting it off but I
was pretty shocked by the kittens. I adopted one of the kittens that
converted because I have a leuk positive and all my other cats are
vaccinated. We ran 5 different brands of tests on him and 4 of the 5
repeatedly come up negative but for some reason he tested positive on
the Witness test. So just in case there is a trace of the virus there
that could be passed on, we didn't want to put him into a home that
wasn't prepared for leukemia. My vet has no explanation for why he
tests positive on the one test and neither does Zoetis but they all
consider him negative based on all the other test results. So odd.
Either way, he has a forever home with me. If he is positive, so be
it. If he is negative and the test is goofy, even better. I continue
to retest and get the same results. Neg on everything except the
Zoetis Witness test. Makes me que
stion what others say about the virus going latent and coming back
later. I have heard numerous people tell me stories about cats that
tested negative numerous times, lived with them, never went outside,
never had contact with other cats and then came up positive later in
life. Hard to say for sure when I wasn't there and don't know if there
was any chance of exposure, but makes me stop and think for sure. I
often question the reliability of the Zoetis Witness test and my vet
has since stopped using them.
That's my story.Amy
From: kat To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, May
18, 2016 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
Ardy,?The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy
who said "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted
after some time."? But like you, I would like to know what her
protocol has been to be so successful.?Kat (Mew Jersey)Sent:?Tuesday,
May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From:?"Ardy Robertson" To:?'Amy' , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject:?Re: [Felvtalk] Cat SanctuaryHi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me
asking, what do you mean by ?most cats you have taken in have
converted after some time?? Does that mean they no longer have FeLV,
and if so, what do you attribute that to??Thank you,Ardy ?From:
Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary?Lorrie,?That sounds amazing! I
do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill rescue so when we
get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for them to go.
We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives of
my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives
at our building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free
and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get
them in often but am I able to contact you to see if you are able to
help if we do get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to
restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and
the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it off first. So far,
most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time. We
are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA.
Thanks for hel
ping these kitties!!!!?Let me know!Thanks Amy?From: Lorrie To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
? ? Lorrie,
? ? Do you have pictures?? I would love to see what you've done!
? ? Kat (Mew Jersey)
Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.
I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-
It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-
My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.? Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.? The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.
The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.? The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.
Lorrie
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