Asia update
The Elspar from last week put Asia back in remission according to vet yesterday. However because Elspar was used/because Asia came out of remission, yesterday the used Adrianmycin in an IV drip of 4mg. So now I am researching to find out about that drug. Asia also has gained 7 oz. in weight, she is responding well it appears. I do need to add supplements but can only add a few right now due to financial issues. What would be the best supplements to add to enhance her treatment right now? Vit. C Vet also provided a written report and both x-rays for me yesterday. I scanned and sent to a friend who is a veterinary radiographer and am waiting to hear back from him. Dianne and Asia __,_._,___
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Oh Dianne what wonderful news! I'm so pleased to hear Asia is doing so well. I seem to remember you saying that Asia is on CoQ10, what else do you have her on? I'm not sure if Interferon is the best choice for her, you'd need to speak to your vet about it. I'd ask your vet about anything that boosts immune system response to make sure you're not inadvertently boosting the cancer cells as well. I know that Transfer Factor is suppose to be a immune regulator rather than an immune booster, you might want to look into that. Here's a paste of a post I wrote on it: *Transfer Factor is suppose to be an 'immune balancer' that is taken from cow's colostrum, they also use something from chicken yolks. The idea is to educate an immature or imbalanced immune system to bring it into balance and help it ward off illness. I'm not even sure if it works, but according to the studies I've read, it hasn't had any ill effects, even when amounts used are many times higher than recommended. There have been good reports about general health, (shiny coat etc.) from some of the folks I know who are using it. There are several different formulas for people and animals. I use the animal stress formula. Here's a link to info about Transfer Factor: http://www.transferfactorinstitute.com http://www.transferfactorinstitute.com/TransferFactor/basic.htm Here's the ordering info: The phone number for the company is: (888) 454-3374. There's a website link below, you might want to check out, but they don't have their order page encrypted, so it's safer to order over the phone. The wholesale price on the products from the most recent list I have is: Transfer Factor Classic -- 90 caps/$37.95 Transfer Factor Advanced Formula -- 60 caps/$39.95 TF Plus Advanced Formula -- 60 caps/$54.95 TF Feline Complete -- 60 - 2 grm. servings/$35.95 Animal Stress Pack -- 7 - 2 oz.packets/$48.95 * www.4life.com http://www.4life.com Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. wrote: The Elspar from last week put Asia back in remission according to vet yesterday. However because Elspar was used/because Asia came out of remission, yesterday the used Adrianmycin in an IV drip of 4mg. So now I am researching to find out about that drug. Asia also has gained 7 oz. in weight, she is responding well it appears. I do need to add supplements but can only add a few right now due to financial issues. What would be the best supplements to add to enhance her treatment right now? Vit. C Vet also provided a written report and both x-rays for me yesterday. I scanned and sent to a friend who is a veterinary radiographer and am waiting to hear back from him. Dianne and Asia __,_._,___
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I'd go with the vitamin C, and a good all around high calorie vitamin-mineral supplement, like Vita-Cal or Nutri-Cal, since she's doing chemo, she could probably use the additional easy to access calories. Neither of them are expensive. Phaewryn 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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Nina, No, Asia is not on CoQ10. I have not put her on any supplements due to the chemo and not having an opportunity to really talk with the oncologist. I changed our appointments to Friday mornings as the afternoons are so crazy that I don't get much chance to discuss things with the vet. Will explore all of this. Thanks Dianne - Original Message - From: Nina To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Asia update Oh Dianne what wonderful news! I'm so pleased to hear Asia is doing so well. I seem to remember you saying that Asia is on CoQ10, what else do you have her on? I'm not sure if Interferon is the best choice for her, you'd need to speak to your vet about it. I'd ask your vet about anything that boosts immune system response to make sure you're not inadvertently boosting the cancer cells as well. I know that Transfer Factor is suppose to be a immune regulator rather than an immune booster, you might want to look into that. Here's a paste of a post I wrote on it: Transfer Factor is suppose to be an 'immune balancer' that is taken from cow's colostrum, they also use something from chicken yolks. The idea is to educate an immature or imbalanced immune system to bring it into balance and help it ward off illness. I'm not even sure if it works, but according to the studies I've read, it hasn't had any ill effects, even when amounts used are many times higher than recommended. There have been good reports about general health, (shiny coat etc.) from some of the folks I know who are using it. There are several different formulas for people and animals. I use the animal stress formula. Here's a link to info about Transfer Factor: http://www.transferfactorinstitute.com Here's the ordering info: The phone number for the company is: (888) 454-3374. There's a website link below, you might want to check out, but they don't have their order page encrypted, so it's safer to order over the phone. The wholesale price on the products from the most recent list I have is: Transfer Factor Classic -- 90 caps/$37.95 Transfer Factor Advanced Formula -- 60 caps/$39.95 TF Plus Advanced Formula -- 60 caps/$54.95 TF Feline Complete -- 60 - 2 grm. servings/$35.95 Animal Stress Pack -- 7 - 2 oz.packets/$48.95 www.4life.com http://www.4life.com Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. wrote: The Elspar from last week put Asia back in remission according to vet yesterday. However because Elspar was used/because Asia came out of remission, yesterday the used Adrianmycin in an IV drip of 4mg. So now I am researching to find out about that drug. Asia also has gained 7 oz. in weight, she is responding well it appears. I do need to add supplements but can only add a few right now due to financial issues. What would be the best supplements to add to enhance her treatment right now? Vit. C Vet also provided a written report and both x-rays for me yesterday. I scanned and sent to a friend who is a veterinary radiographer and am waiting to hear back from him. Dianne and Asia __,_._,___
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I heard that Vita-Cal and Nutri-Cal are full of sugar and that fuels cancer??? Regular vitamin C or is there a special cat Vit. C? Dianne - Original Message - From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Asia update I'd go with the vitamin C, and a good all around high calorie vitamin-mineral supplement, like Vita-Cal or Nutri-Cal, since she's doing chemo, she could probably use the additional easy to access calories. Neither of them are expensive. Phaewryn 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY-YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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Think you want kitty vit c or a type that has less chance of irritating the tummy. Might try Dr. Belfields products, at www.belfield.com Gloria On Dec 30, 2006, at 1:06 PM, Dianne K Perry, Ph.D. wrote: I heard that Vita-Cal and Nutri-Cal are full of sugar and that fuels cancer??? Regular vitamin C or is there a special cat Vit. C? Dianne - Original Message - From: Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2006 1:21 PM Subject: Re: Asia update I'd go with the vitamin C, and a good all around high calorie vitamin-mineral supplement, like Vita-Cal or Nutri-Cal, since she's doing chemo, she could probably use the additional easy to access calories. Neither of them are expensive. Phaewryn 12/24/06 Whitey Pictures: http://ucat.us/Whitey/WhiteyNewPics.html Whitey Models on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/Cleos-Catnip-ORGANIC-2-ounces-cat-nip-KITTY- YUMMY_W0QQitemZ140067996154QQihZ004QQ
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I think fish oil, coq10, and essiac tea would probably be the best in terms of fighting cancer. These can all e expensive, but there are sources to get them pretty cheaply as well. For dogs, they think that arginine, an amino acid, helps fight the lymphoma and make them feel better, and Hills puts a lot of it in their canine lymphoma canned diet. I don't know if they have researched it with cats. Michelle
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Interesting. All the facts I could find were directed at humans with cancer though, not felines, thus it's hard to say for sure if this all applies, because we generally don't consider fruits, vegetables and grains as good food choices for cats. Perhaps though, supplementing with a high fiber supplement would be better, as that would be a complex form of carbs, and not refined sugar. Missing Link should be a good one to try. Maybe rice bran (it's one of the ingredients in Missing Link)? Anyone ever given a cat straight rice bran? It's an excellent supplement for boosting calories and bloom in horses, but I've never heard of giving it to cats. From what I can find online, it appears that rice bran can make a cat taurine defincient, so that's probably not a good thing, but I should think you could add a taurine supplement at the some time to counteract that. http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/132/6/1745S This, however, is VERY interesting, as it's clinical proof that rice bran lowers blood glucose (in humans): http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheNcpsidt=13549291 (I think I may start supplementing my BF, LOL!) This is cool too, lots of info (some bad reference links though): http://catfood.tribe.net/thread/66947e21-1c4e-4e8a-bab3-b62be97ea033 -- The Story on Sugar Cancer The concept that sugar feeds cancer is very scary and confusing. First, what is sugar? Sugar is a carbohydrate. Sugar is a simple carbohydrate. Examples of sugar include sucrose and glucose. If sugar is a simple carbohydrate, what is a complex carbohydrate? Complex carbohydrates are many simple carbohydrates (sugars) linked together. Both simple (sugar) and complex carbohydrates can be converted into sugar in the body. So, this brings us to the question, Does Sugar Feed Cancer. The simple answer is Yes. Sugar feeds EVERY cell in the whole body. Every cell in you body uses glucose, a simple sugar, for energy. If we know that every cell in the body prefers or needs glucose (sugar) for energy, it is no surprise that sugar feeds cancer. Just like other body cells, cancer cells use sugar for energy to grow and multiply. Does this mean that you should cut every bit of carbohydrate out of your diet, to prevent 'feeding' your cancer? The answer is a resounding No! But why? Most people have heard about the difference between 'good fats' and 'bad fats'. We know that some fat, like the fat found in olive oil and nuts, is healthy for us. These are 'good fats.' The fat found in red meat, cheese, and junk food are the so-called 'bad fats.' These fats are not healthy for us. We can apply this same idea to carbohydrates! There are 'good carbohydrates' and 'bad carbohydrates'. Simple sugar can be thought of as a 'bad carbohydrate.' These carbohydrates are not healthy for us. Complex carbohydrates are the 'good' ones. These complex carbohydrates are found in foods that are excellent for our health. Recent research tells us that when it comes to cancer, sugar is not the real problem. However, the hormones our bodies can produce when we eat a lot of sugar may be a BIG problem for individuals living with cancer and for those trying to reduce risk of cancer. Remember, sugar doesn't 'feed' cancer any more than it 'feeds' other body cells. However, if you eat a lot of simple sugar on a regular basis, it raises body levels of certain hormones. These hormones include insulin, insulin-like growth factor, and other hormones that encourage cells to grow. These hormones are the problem, NOT the sugar. Research tells us that high levels of insulin and related hormones may increase cancer cell growth (1-6)! If avoiding carbohydrates is not the answer, what is? There are ways to make sure your diet doesn't cause your body to produce a lot of hormones that will fuel cancer cell growth. And cutting out all carbohydrates is NOT the answer. Here's the solution: DECREASE THE INSULIN RESPONSE!! You do not need to avoid carbohydrates to do this. In fact, this would be a BAD idea. Complex carbohydrates actually appear to fight cancer. You DO need to make sure you eat less sugar (simple carbohydrates). Focus on eating only COMPLEX carbohydrates and you will avoid making your body produce the hormones that may promote cancer cell growth. Why eat carbohydrates at all? Complex carbohydrates include vegetables, fruit, whole grains, and legumes (beans). These are the VERY foods that we know fight cancer (7-17). Thousands of research studies tell us this is true! These foods contain hundreds of nutrients, called phytochemicals. Phytochemicals FIGHT cancer. It's that simple. If you cut these foods out of your diet, you lose all of the great cancer fighting nutrients in these foods. And, these complex carbohydrates are slow to digest, so they don't raise blood sugar levels as much as simple sugars. Therefore these foods
Re: Asia update - rice bran and taurine
Rice bran is one of the ingredients in Gypsy's homemade turkey mush. I did some research at the time and found that pure rice bran is recommended highly over the other types of brans. I also add plenty of taurine. I had heard on a radio show featuring a feline nutritionist that taurine, along with all the other benefits derived, is good for immune system function. Nina Jennifer Phaewryn O'Gwynn wrote: Interesting. All the facts I could find were directed at humans with cancer though, not felines, thus it's hard to say for sure if this all applies, because we generally don't consider fruits, vegetables and grains as good food choices for cats. Perhaps though, supplementing with a high fiber supplement would be better, as that would be a complex form of carbs, and not refined sugar. Missing Link should be a good one to try. Maybe rice bran (it's one of the ingredients in Missing Link)? Anyone ever given a cat straight rice bran? It's an excellent supplement for boosting calories and bloom in horses, but I've never heard of giving it to cats. From what I can find online, it appears that rice bran can make a cat taurine defincient, so that's probably not a good thing, but I should think you could add a taurine supplement at the some time to counteract that.
