Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
Caroline, I hope Monkee is having the time of his life today. He is such a trooper! Prayers going out that you get the help you need for him. He's lucky to have you. :) Wendy "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ - Original Message From: Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 2, 2007 9:07:50 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues Oh my god! Great idea! I will warm his chicken livers using a bowl of warm water! That seems so simple, I can't believe I didn't think about it! Yeah, I don't own a microwave, so I almost never feed him re-heated food. If and when I do reheat, I use my gas oven because it heats so nicely and so fast. But there was NO WAY I was going to put chicken livers in the gas oven (eww), so thank you so much for the tip! -Caroline From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:43:46 -0500 - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues A thought: Check with Susan re probiotics if BMs are/become an issue. Also Apple Pectin (ok, one for each extreme). The thing is if you have relatively inexpensive things at hand you will feel better. More prepared and in control. Cats seem to like things at room temperature or a little warmer (like setting a bowl of livers in a bowl of hot water for a few minutes---I don't use a microwave with Dixie's food--ask Susan about that). Monkee may just have thought they were too cold to eat. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues I am happy to report that I am home from work and now able to assess Monkee's condition today- what with him being off the appetite stim. He ate while I was at work and then my mom came to check on him around 5:30 and fixed him chicken livers. He did not eat them at first, but as soon as I came home, he ate! Then he had a BM!!! And it was a totally normal one. He hadn't gone in a while, so I was starting to get worried and that was a load off (haha). AND, he's clearly having another "good" day- he's all bright and perky and he was doing a little running (which I told him not to do- he doesn't listen). So, we are both doing much better-- me- emotionally, Monkee-physically. Dede- that made me really happy to hear that someone "got" the name! People (well, and by people I mean Monkee's past vets), are always spelling it "Monkey." And I have to say, no, it's Monkee- like the "The Monkee's"- the band! He was named that because he looks like a Monkey in the face- he has a black batman cap around his head and ears, and a white patch just in the very middle of his face that covers his nose and mouth just over the brow, so it has the effect of him having a "monkey-face." But I wanted to make it extra cute by adding a twist to the spelling (plus, I had a slight Monkee's obsession as a kid thanks to syndication on Nickelodeon!). -Caroline > > > > > > > >> Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265
Re: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
There are real questions about microwaves and health.I'm not up on what
they are but enough people I trust won't touch one. I haven't gone that far
but will not use one with Dixie. And I won't use plastic in a microwave. And
government assurances make me even more leery.
Brewer's Yeast is wonderful but please add it a little at a time. At least
with dogs, too much to begin with can cause very unpleasant intestinal
discomfort. It makes their coats soft and cuts down on shedding too...again in
dogs. I'll have to try it on Dixie.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their
fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Melissa Lind
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 03, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: OT: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
Caroline,
I think that's great that you don't have a microwave. I've been thinking
about pitching ours, but I'm sure my husband would object. Maybe it'll wear out
eventually and I can phase it out. When I was in college, I didn't use a
microwave, and I felt so much more resourceful, and I felt it was healthier.
I'm not sure if it is or not, but I don't think it adds anything to our lives,
if anything it only contributes to our hectic lifestyle-gas cooking makes us
take a break and have patience-I enjoy the food better. Now if I could only
convince my husband that microwave dinners are detrimental to his health.
Sorry I didn't move this to the OT site!
Melissa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline
Kaufmann
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:08 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
Oh my god! Great idea! I will warm his chicken livers using a bowl of warm
water! That seems so simple, I can't believe I didn't think about it! Yeah, I
don't own a microwave, so I almost never feed him re-heated food. If and when
I do reheat, I use my gas oven because it heats so nicely and so fast. But
there was NO WAY I was going to put chicken livers in the gas oven (eww), so
thank you so much for the tip!
-Caroline
From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:43:46 -0500
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
A thought: Check with Susan re probiotics if BMs are/become an issue.
Also Apple Pectin (ok, one for each extreme). The thing is if you have
relatively inexpensive things at hand you will feel better. More prepared and
in control.
Cats seem to like things at room temperature or a little warmer (like
setting a bowl of livers in a bowl of hot water for a few minutes---I don't use
a microwave with Dixie's food--ask Susan about that). Monkee may just have
thought they were too cold to eat.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: Caroline Kaufmann
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
I am happy to report that I am home from work and now able to assess
Monkee's condition today- what with him being off the appetite stim. He ate
while I was at work and then my mom came to check on him around 5:30 and fixed
him chicken livers. He did not eat them at first, but as soon as I came home,
he ate! Then he had a BM!!! And it was a totally normal one. He hadn't gone
in a while, so I was starting to get worried and that was a load off (haha).
AND, he's clearly having another "good" day- he's all bright
OT: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
Caroline, I think that's great that you don't have a microwave. I've been thinking about pitching ours, but I'm sure my husband would object. Maybe it'll wear out eventually and I can phase it out. When I was in college, I didn't use a microwave, and I felt so much more resourceful, and I felt it was healthier. I'm not sure if it is or not, but I don't think it adds anything to our lives, if anything it only contributes to our hectic lifestyle-gas cooking makes us take a break and have patience-I enjoy the food better. Now if I could only convince my husband that microwave dinners are detrimental to his health. Sorry I didn't move this to the OT site! Melissa _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues Oh my god! Great idea! I will warm his chicken livers using a bowl of warm water! That seems so simple, I can't believe I didn't think about it! Yeah, I don't own a microwave, so I almost never feed him re-heated food. If and when I do reheat, I use my gas oven because it heats so nicely and so fast. But there was NO WAY I was going to put chicken livers in the gas oven (eww), so thank you so much for the tip! -Caroline _ From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:43:46 -0500 - Original Message - From: Marylyn <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues A thought: Check with Susan re probiotics if BMs are/become an issue. Also Apple Pectin (ok, one for each extreme). The thing is if you have relatively inexpensive things at hand you will feel better. More prepared and in control. Cats seem to like things at room temperature or a little warmer (like setting a bowl of livers in a bowl of hot water for a few minutes---I don't use a microwave with Dixie's food--ask Susan about that). Monkee may just have thought they were too cold to eat. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues I am happy to report that I am home from work and now able to assess Monkee's condition today- what with him being off the appetite stim. He ate while I was at work and then my mom came to check on him around 5:30 and fixed him chicken livers. He did not eat them at first, but as soon as I came home, he ate! Then he had a BM!!! And it was a totally normal one. He hadn't gone in a while, so I was starting to get worried and that was a load off (haha). AND, he's clearly having another "good" day- he's all bright and perky and he was doing a little running (which I told him not to do- he doesn't listen). So, we are both doing much better-- me- emotionally, Monkee-physically. Dede- that made me really happy to hear that someone "got" the name! People (well, and by people I mean Monkee's past vets), are always spelling it "Monkey." And I have to say, no, it's Monkee- like the "The Monkee's"- the band! He was named that because he looks like a Monkey in the face- he has a black batman cap around his head and ears, and a white patch just in the very middle of his face that covers his nose and mouth just over the brow, so it has the effect of him having a "monkey-face." But I wanted to make it extra cute by adding a twist to the spelling (plus, I had a slight Monkee's obsession as a kid thanks to syndication on Nickelodeon!). -Caroline > > > > > > > >> _ Need a <http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2728??PS=47575> brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now!
Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
Caroline, Marylyn is correct. You are very stressed abd you are dealing w/ this emotionally too. Please do not beat yourself up, you did not give Monkee this disease. I know easier said than done. I was a total basket case w/ Serenity, and still cry to this day. I actually thought, she was the cat that "love" could save. Isn't that the stupidest thing you have ever heard? I guess because she had been against such odds, Someone's breeding stock living in squalor w 65 others house fire that could have killed them all being scooped up and placed in a high kill shelter, subjected to new viruses & germs horrible URI & severe ringworm After I got her over her URI & ringworm she began to flourish. She was no longer scared of me, and enjoyed her new life. Well, it just wasn't meant to be, for me or her. I just look back @ what I learned from the situation, that taking care of felv+ cats takes a special kinda purrson. Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org www.shadowcats.net "As Cleopatra lay in state, Faithful Bast at her side did wait, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues You would have thought of it but you are extremely stressed. That is why I am being so detailed on some things. I know how I am when my little friends are having problems. Be very gentle with yourself right now. Very gentle. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis -. Play now!
Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
You would have thought of it but you are extremely stressed. That is why I am
being so detailed on some things. I know how I am when my little friends are
having problems.
Be very gentle with yourself right now. Very gentle.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of compassion
and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with their
fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Caroline Kaufmann
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:07 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
Oh my god! Great idea! I will warm his chicken livers using a bowl of warm
water! That seems so simple, I can't believe I didn't think about it! Yeah, I
don't own a microwave, so I almost never feed him re-heated food. If and when
I do reheat, I use my gas oven because it heats so nicely and so fast. But
there was NO WAY I was going to put chicken livers in the gas oven (eww), so
thank you so much for the tip!
-Caroline
From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To:
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:43:46 -0500
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
A thought: Check with Susan re probiotics if BMs are/become an issue.
Also Apple Pectin (ok, one for each extreme). The thing is if you have
relatively inexpensive things at hand you will feel better. More prepared and
in control.
Cats seem to like things at room temperature or a little warmer (like
setting a bowl of livers in a bowl of hot water for a few minutes---I don't use
a microwave with Dixie's food--ask Susan about that). Monkee may just have
thought they were too cold to eat.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: Caroline Kaufmann
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
I am happy to report that I am home from work and now able to assess
Monkee's condition today- what with him being off the appetite stim. He ate
while I was at work and then my mom came to check on him around 5:30 and fixed
him chicken livers. He did not eat them at first, but as soon as I came home,
he ate! Then he had a BM!!! And it was a totally normal one. He hadn't gone
in a while, so I was starting to get worried and that was a load off (haha).
AND, he's clearly having another "good" day- he's all bright and perky and he
was doing a little running (which I told him not to do- he doesn't listen).
So, we are both doing much better-- me- emotionally, Monkee-physically.
Dede- that made me really happy to hear that someone "got" the name!
People (well, and by people I mean Monkee's past vets), are always spelling it
"Monkey." And I have to say, no, it's Monkee- like the "The Monkee's"- the
band! He was named that because he looks like a Monkey in the face- he has a
black batman cap around his head and ears, and a white patch just in the very
middle of his face that covers his nose and mouth just over the brow, so it has
the effect of him having a "monkey-face." But I wanted to make it extra cute
by adding a twist to the spelling (plus, I had a slight Monkee's obsession as a
kid thanks to syndication on Nickelodeon!).
-Caroline
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Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
Oh my god! Great idea! I will warm his chicken livers using a bowl of warm water! That seems so simple, I can't believe I didn't think about it! Yeah, I don't own a microwave, so I almost never feed him re-heated food. If and when I do reheat, I use my gas oven because it heats so nicely and so fast. But there was NO WAY I was going to put chicken livers in the gas oven (eww), so thank you so much for the tip! -Caroline From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia IssuesDate: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 20:43:46 -0500 - Original Message - From: Marylyn To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:24 PM Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues A thought: Check with Susan re probiotics if BMs are/become an issue. Also Apple Pectin (ok, one for each extreme). The thing is if you have relatively inexpensive things at hand you will feel better. More prepared and in control. Cats seem to like things at room temperature or a little warmer (like setting a bowl of livers in a bowl of hot water for a few minutes---I don't use a microwave with Dixie's food--ask Susan about that). Monkee may just have thought they were too cold to eat. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues I am happy to report that I am home from work and now able to assess Monkee's condition today- what with him being off the appetite stim. He ate while I was at work and then my mom came to check on him around 5:30 and fixed him chicken livers. He did not eat them at first, but as soon as I came home, he ate! Then he had a BM!!! And it was a totally normal one. He hadn't gone in a while, so I was starting to get worried and that was a load off (haha). AND, he's clearly having another "good" day- he's all bright and perky and he was doing a little running (which I told him not to do- he doesn't listen). So, we are both doing much better-- me- emotionally, Monkee-physically. Dede- that made me really happy to hear that someone "got" the name! People (well, and by people I mean Monkee's past vets), are always spelling it "Monkey." And I have to say, no, it's Monkee- like the "The Monkee's"- the band! He was named that because he looks like a Monkey in the face- he has a black batman cap around his head and ears, and a white patch just in the very middle of his face that covers his nose and mouth just over the brow, so it has the effect of him having a "monkey-face." But I wanted to make it extra cute by adding a twist to the spelling (plus, I had a slight Monkee's obsession as a kid thanks to syndication on Nickelodeon!). -Caroline >>>>>>>>> Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now!
Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
A thought: Check with Susan re probiotics if BMs are/become an issue. Also
Apple Pectin (ok, one for each extreme). The thing is if you have relatively
inexpensive things at hand you will feel better. More prepared and in control.
Cats seem to like things at room temperature or a little warmer (like setting
a bowl of livers in a bowl of hot water for a few minutes---I don't use a
microwave with Dixie's food--ask Susan about that). Monkee may just have
thought they were too cold to eat.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Caroline Kaufmann
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
I am happy to report that I am home from work and now able to assess
Monkee's condition today- what with him being off the appetite stim. He ate
while I was at work and then my mom came to check on him around 5:30 and fixed
him chicken livers. He did not eat them at first, but as soon as I came home,
he ate! Then he had a BM!!! And it was a totally normal one. He hadn't gone
in a while, so I was starting to get worried and that was a load off (haha).
AND, he's clearly having another "good" day- he's all bright and perky and he
was doing a little running (which I told him not to do- he doesn't listen).
So, we are both doing much better-- me- emotionally, Monkee-physically.
Dede- that made me really happy to hear that someone "got" the name!
People (well, and by people I mean Monkee's past vets), are always spelling it
"Monkey." And I have to say, no, it's Monkee- like the "The Monkee's"- the
band! He was named that because he looks like a Monkey in the face- he has a
black batman cap around his head and ears, and a white patch just in the very
middle of his face that covers his nose and mouth just over the brow, so it has
the effect of him having a "monkey-face." But I wanted to make it extra cute
by adding a twist to the spelling (plus, I had a slight Monkee's obsession as a
kid thanks to syndication on Nickelodeon!).
-Caroline
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Perfectly said. Thanks for this. I try so hard not to let my kittys see me cry
or upset when someone is sick.
Laurie
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
You will know when Monkee is ready to leave this world. It may be today or
in 10 years. You are not God and neither am I.we can't see the future.
Every one of us dies ...sorry. That is the way the system works. Just
don't live your life looking at death. First, it isn't a bad thing and second,
you are wasting lots of really good fun time fearing Death. Monkee knows this
and is probably trying to teach you much as the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and
others have tried to teach me. People are basically very hard
headed..just ask our little friends. The stories Dixie could tell
you!!
Relax. Spend wonderful time with Monkee and find and keep a vet that
respects you. I have been very lucky that way. I hope Susan is that vet for
you. If not, keep looking. He or She does exist for you.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
St.
Francis
- Original Message -
From: Caroline Kaufmann
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
There's been a lot of developments today, which have had me crying at my
desk here at work (never a good thing!). I'll try not to bore you all with the
minute details, but I have now had two "bad" conversations with Dr. Jones from
The Cat Clinic. Monkee is out of his appetite stimulant and I called at The
Cat Clinic today to see if I could pick it up there. They put Dr. Jones on the
phone and he said he got a report today from Dr. Daley and she is basing her
poor prognosis for Monkee on the fact that he now has lymph nodes in his
abdomen that are enlarged. Dr. Jones said that, based on that, he agrees with
Dr. Daley and that he would just treat Monkee palliatively. He said the
transfusion would wear off and we need to "plan accordingly." Basically, he
and Dr. Daley are standing firm that the prognosis for Monkee is bleak. I was
so frustrated, disheartened and angry, and what makes those feelings even worse
for me, is Monkee's condition, which, even before the transfusion, was not too
bad!
I made a decision and I sent a long email to Dr. Maier detailing my
conversations with Drs. Daley and Jones, their decisions to just drop off
medications, etc. I told her that Monkee had a "bad day" on Saturday where he
was lethargic and seemed really tired, but it was not anything extreme or
different from his pre-transfusion lethargy. I thought he was starting to go
down from the transfusion already wearing off. However, on Sunday, he had a
really "good day" and he was bright-eyed, active, talkative and seemed really
happy and in no pain or distress. So I flat-out told Dr. Maier that I was
frustrated with Drs. Daley and Jones' poor prognosis and "no hope" outlook for
Monkee because at this point, even before Monkee's transfusion last week, I
don't yet have a cat in dire distress on my hands. Yes, he's down a little and
I know we are a fighting likely a losing battle, but Monkee just doesn't seem
"ready" yet! I told her I would like Monkee to treat with someone who has a
more positive attitude towards his care, and even if it's going to be
palliative care, I want it to be "positive palliative care."
I asked her for her continued help and assistance and if I could bring
Monkee out to see her again this week, especially since the transfusion is
going to wear off and by no means do I want Monkee to get into a situation
where he "crashes" due to that. He currently has no follow-ups with Daley or
Jones and at this point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little more than
ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care with either of them. I told her I
didn't know if they are unhappy with me as a client for not totally accepting
their difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the fact that I went to a Holistic
Vet for a second/additional opinion. I don't kno
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tion where he "crashes" due to that. He>currently has no follow-ups with Daley or Jones and at>this point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little more>than ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care with>either of them. I told her I didn't know if they are>unhappy with me as a client for not totally accepting>their difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the fact>that I went to a Holistic Vet for a second/additional>opinion. I don't know if I ruffled feathers or>something, but at this point, I don't care! I told>her I just want Monkee to be taken care of and kept>happy.>>Dr. Maier immediately sent back a reply email that I>found surprisingly candid. She said she felt bad that>his Drs. are giving me such a hard time and that she'd>be happy to see Monkee this week. She said she>doesn't have much experience with Epogen in the past>(and I am not married to the Epogen by far, I just>couldn't understand why Monkee treated with it for one>week and then, Dr. Daley was like, "well it didn't>work"- when everyone says it needs more than one>week/one dose to work!)- WHICH Dr. Maier said the same>thing about it! She said she doesn't see any reason>to give up "prematurely." She also said that she's>worked with other Dr. Jones patients and the whole>Holistic thing has never been a problem with him (so>that is good to know b/c I do like Dr. Jones as vet>and would like to return to him at some point, maybe>with another pet, but for Monkee, it's time to move>on).>>Generally, Dr. Maier makes me feel better, so that is>the route Monkee and I are going to go for now. We>maybe heading into the end game, I am capable of>recognizing that, but I am certainly not putting that>cat down until he's ready and I just want to be>treating with someone who supports that decision and I>feel that I am now. But it's been a bumpy ride>getting there!>>-Caroline>>>>>>>>>>->From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>To: >Subject: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia>Issues>Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:45:05 -0500>>>>>>>>>>I'm all to familiar with that both in people and vets.> Dr. Maier, Dr. Boswell and the doctors at Middletown>Animal Clinic are great and will work with you. There>is a specialty clinic in the St. Matthews area (where>I took the Royal Princess Kitty Katt for her last>tests)...I can't think of the name but will see if I>can get it for you. I think they are 24/7. They are>great too and let you stay with your little friend. I>know you are feeling helpless. I've been there too>many times both alone and in support of friends. Find>a vet you are happy with and forget the distance. (My>feelings.) I drove from Okolona to Middletown when I>was in Louisville. Now I drive from SE KY to>Middletown. I want someone I can depend on to be>straight with me. Period. Dixie was a throw away>that I was going to bring to the farm as an outside>cat. I took her to MAC to be spayed and they tested>her. I can't tell you the feelings in Dr. Bishop's>voice when he called to say she was FeLV+ and to ask>how to handle it. When I figured out how to keep>Dixie alive and separate from the other outside cats>at Mom's there was a lot of relief at MAC. Now, over>2 years later, everyone thinks Dixie is the sweetest>little thing around. She rarely sees them (no need>but they work her in when I do have a problem) but I>stop every time I am in town for the oral Interferon>and just to say hi. I have had their support thru>numerous "pets" and several>stray/throw-always/injuries. You have to find>something like this, hopefully in your neck of the>woods. Without it you will be miserable. Again,>maybe Susan is your answer. She is 15-20 minutes away>when 64 is open. Please keep looking for the right>vet. I think everyone on the list will tell you how>very important that is. I just happen to know>something about the area you are in and am probably>boring everyone else. Please keep looking. If you>decide you want the names of other vets in what I>believe to be your area I can contact friends for>recommendations or Susan can recommend some one. If>so you may want to email off line. I'm not sure how>that is done but someone can tell you if you don't>know.>>Just keep on keeping on.>>>>>>> If>you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures> from>the shelter of
Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
- Original Message -
From: Marylyn
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
You will know when Monkee is ready to leave this world. It may be today or
in 10 years. You are not God and neither am I.we can't see the future.
Every one of us dies ...sorry. That is the way the system works. Just
don't live your life looking at death. First, it isn't a bad thing and second,
you are wasting lots of really good fun time fearing Death. Monkee knows this
and is probably trying to teach you much as the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and
others have tried to teach me. People are basically very hard
headed..just ask our little friends. The stories Dixie could tell
you!!
Relax. Spend wonderful time with Monkee and find and keep a vet that
respects you. I have been very lucky that way. I hope Susan is that vet for
you. If not, keep looking. He or She does exist for you.
If you have men who will
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with
their fellow man.
St. Francis
- Original Message -
From: Caroline Kaufmann
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
There's been a lot of developments today, which have had me crying at my
desk here at work (never a good thing!). I'll try not to bore you all with the
minute details, but I have now had two "bad" conversations with Dr. Jones from
The Cat Clinic. Monkee is out of his appetite stimulant and I called at The
Cat Clinic today to see if I could pick it up there. They put Dr. Jones on the
phone and he said he got a report today from Dr. Daley and she is basing her
poor prognosis for Monkee on the fact that he now has lymph nodes in his
abdomen that are enlarged. Dr. Jones said that, based on that, he agrees with
Dr. Daley and that he would just treat Monkee palliatively. He said the
transfusion would wear off and we need to "plan accordingly." Basically, he
and Dr. Daley are standing firm that the prognosis for Monkee is bleak. I was
so frustrated, disheartened and angry, and what makes those feelings even worse
for me, is Monkee's condition, which, even before the transfusion, was not too
bad!
I made a decision and I sent a long email to Dr. Maier detailing my
conversations with Drs. Daley and Jones, their decisions to just drop off
medications, etc. I told her that Monkee had a "bad day" on Saturday where he
was lethargic and seemed really tired, but it was not anything extreme or
different from his pre-transfusion lethargy. I thought he was starting to go
down from the transfusion already wearing off. However, on Sunday, he had a
really "good day" and he was bright-eyed, active, talkative and seemed really
happy and in no pain or distress. So I flat-out told Dr. Maier that I was
frustrated with Drs. Daley and Jones' poor prognosis and "no hope" outlook for
Monkee because at this point, even before Monkee's transfusion last week, I
don't yet have a cat in dire distress on my hands. Yes, he's down a little and
I know we are a fighting likely a losing battle, but Monkee just doesn't seem
"ready" yet! I told her I would like Monkee to treat with someone who has a
more positive attitude towards his care, and even if it's going to be
palliative care, I want it to be "positive palliative care."
I asked her for her continued help and assistance and if I could bring
Monkee out to see her again this week, especially since the transfusion is
going to wear off and by no means do I want Monkee to get into a situation
where he "crashes" due to that. He currently has no follow-ups with Daley or
Jones and at this point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little more than
ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care with either of them. I told her I
didn't know if they are unhappy with me as a client for not totally accepting
their difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the fact that I went to a Holistic
Vet for a second/additional opinion. I don't know if I ruffled feathers or
something, but at this point, I don't care! I told her I just want Monkee
to be taken care of and kept happy.
Dr. Maier immediately sent back a reply email that I found surprisingly
candid. She said she felt bad that his Drs. are giving me such a hard time and
that she'd be happy to see Monkee
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Caroline, I hate that you are going through this emotional abuse. It's hard enough to be so concerned about Monkee (love the spelling BTW), and have people acting like they don't give a *&%$. It is so very hard to make these decisions, but like you said, "Not until he's ready" Stick with your gut feelings. I always say in times like this...I want no regrets, and you don't want any either. Bless you both in your decision. Be firm, and feel good about what you are doing. Dede --- Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - There's been a lot of developments today, which have had me crying at my desk here at work (never a good thing!). I'll try not to bore you all with the minute details, but I have now had two "bad" conversations with Dr. Jones from The Cat Clinic. Monkee is out of his appetite stimulant and I called at The Cat Clinic today to see if I could pick it up there. They put Dr. Jones on the phone and he said he got a report today from Dr. Daley and she is basing her poor prognosis for Monkee on the fact that he now has lymph nodes in his abdomen that are enlarged. Dr. Jones said that, based on that, he agrees with Dr. Daley and that he would just treat Monkee palliatively. He said the transfusion would wear off and we need to "plan accordingly." Basically, he and Dr. Daley are standing firm that the prognosis for Monkee is bleak. I was so frustrated, disheartened and angry, and what makes those feelings even worse for me, is Monkee's condition, which, even before the transfusion, was not too bad! I made a decision and I sent a long email to Dr. Maier detailing my conversations with Drs. Daley and Jones, their decisions to just drop off medications, etc. I told her that Monkee had a "bad day" on Saturday where he was lethargic and seemed really tired, but it was not anything extreme or different from his pre-transfusion lethargy. I thought he was starting to go down from the transfusion already wearing off. However, on Sunday, he had a really "good day" and he was bright-eyed, active, talkative and seemed really happy and in no pain or distress. So I flat-out told Dr. Maier that I was frustrated with Drs. Daley and Jones' poor prognosis and "no hope" outlook for Monkee because at this point, even before Monkee's transfusion last week, I don't yet have a cat in dire distress on my hands. Yes, he's down a little and I know we are a fighting likely a losing battle, but Monkee just doesn't seem "ready" yet! I told her I would like Monkee to treat with someone who has a more positive attitude towards his care, and even if it's going to be palliative care, I want it to be "positive palliative care." I asked her for her continued help and assistance and if I could bring Monkee out to see her again this week, especially since the transfusion is going to wear off and by no means do I want Monkee to get into a situation where he "crashes" due to that. He currently has no follow-ups with Daley or Jones and at this point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little more than ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care with either of them. I told her I didn't know if they are unhappy with me as a client for not totally accepting their difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the fact that I went to a Holistic Vet for a second/additional opinion. I don't know if I ruffled feathers or something, but at this point, I don't care! I told her I just want Monkee to be taken care of and kept happy. Dr. Maier immediately sent back a reply email that I found surprisingly candid. She said she felt bad that his Drs. are giving me such a hard time and that she'd be happy to see Monkee this week. She said she doesn't have much experience with Epogen in the past (and I am not married to the Epogen by far, I just couldn't understand why Monkee treated with it for one week and then, Dr. Daley was like, "well it didn't work"- when everyone says it needs more than one week/one dose to work!)- WHICH Dr. Maier said the same thing about it! She said she doesn't see any reason to give up "prematurely." She also said that she's worked with other Dr. Jones patients and the whole Holistic thing has never been a problem with him (so that is good to know b/c I do like Dr. Jones as vet and would like to return to him at some point, maybe with another pet, but for Monkee, it's time to move on). Generally, Dr. Maier makes me feel better, so that is the route Monkee and I are going to go for now. We maybe heading into the end game, I am capable of recognizing that, but I am certainly not putting that cat down until he's ready and I just want to be treating with someone who supports that decision and I feel that I am now.
RE: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
There's been a lot of developments today, which have had me crying at my desk here at work (never a good thing!). I'll try not to bore you all with the minute details, but I have now had two "bad" conversations with Dr. Jones from The Cat Clinic. Monkee is out of his appetite stimulant and I called at The Cat Clinic today to see if I could pick it up there. They put Dr. Jones on the phone and he said he got a report today from Dr. Daley and she is basing her poor prognosis for Monkee on the fact that he now has lymph nodes in his abdomen that are enlarged. Dr. Jones said that, based on that, he agrees with Dr. Daley and that he would just treat Monkee palliatively. He said the transfusion would wear off and we need to "plan accordingly." Basically, he and Dr. Daley are standing firm that the prognosis for Monkee is bleak. I was so frustrated, disheartened and angry, and what makes those feelings even worse for me, is Monkee's condition, which, even before the transfusion, was not too bad! I made a decision and I sent a long email to Dr. Maier detailing my conversations with Drs. Daley and Jones, their decisions to just drop off medications, etc. I told her that Monkee had a "bad day" on Saturday where he was lethargic and seemed really tired, but it was not anything extreme or different from his pre-transfusion lethargy. I thought he was starting to go down from the transfusion already wearing off. However, on Sunday, he had a really "good day" and he was bright-eyed, active, talkative and seemed really happy and in no pain or distress. So I flat-out told Dr. Maier that I was frustrated with Drs. Daley and Jones' poor prognosis and "no hope" outlook for Monkee because at this point, even before Monkee's transfusion last week, I don't yet have a cat in dire distress on my hands. Yes, he's down a little and I know we are a fighting likely a losing battle, but Monkee just doesn't seem "ready" yet! I told her I would like Monkee to treat with someone who has a more positive attitude towards his care, and even if it's going to be palliative care, I want it to be "positive palliative care." I asked her for her continued help and assistance and if I could bring Monkee out to see her again this week, especially since the transfusion is going to wear off and by no means do I want Monkee to get into a situation where he "crashes" due to that. He currently has no follow-ups with Daley or Jones and at this point, I told Dr. Maier that I am a little more than ambivalent about continuing Monkee's care with either of them. I told her I didn't know if they are unhappy with me as a client for not totally accepting their difficult-to-decipher prognosis and/or the fact that I went to a Holistic Vet for a second/additional opinion. I don't know if I ruffled feathers or something, but at this point, I don't care! I told her I just want Monkee to be taken care of and kept happy. Dr. Maier immediately sent back a reply email that I found surprisingly candid. She said she felt bad that his Drs. are giving me such a hard time and that she'd be happy to see Monkee this week. She said she doesn't have much experience with Epogen in the past (and I am not married to the Epogen by far, I just couldn't understand why Monkee treated with it for one week and then, Dr. Daley was like, "well it didn't work"- when everyone says it needs more than one week/one dose to work!)- WHICH Dr. Maier said the same thing about it! She said she doesn't see any reason to give up "prematurely." She also said that she's worked with other Dr. Jones patients and the whole Holistic thing has never been a problem with him (so that is good to know b/c I do like Dr. Jones as vet and would like to return to him at some point, maybe with another pet, but for Monkee, it's time to move on). Generally, Dr. Maier makes me feel better, so that is the route Monkee and I are going to go for now. We maybe heading into the end game, I am capable of recognizing that, but I am certainly not putting that cat down until he's ready and I just want to be treating with someone who supports that decision and I feel that I am now. But it's been a bumpy ride getting there! -Caroline From: "Marylyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Subject: Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia IssuesDate: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 14:45:05 -0500 I'm all to familiar with that both in people and vets. Dr. Maier, Dr. Boswell and the doctors at Middletown Animal Clinic are great and will work with you. There is a specialty clinic in the St. Matthews area (where I took the Royal Princess Kitty Katt for her last tests)...I can't think of the name but will see if I can get it for you. I think they are 24/7. They are great too and let you stay with your little friend. I know you are feeling helpless. I've been there too many times both alone and in support of friends. Fin
Fw: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues
I'm all to familiar with that both in people and vets. Dr. Maier, Dr. Boswell and the doctors at Middletown Animal Clinic are great and will work with you. There is a specialty clinic in the St. Matthews area (where I took the Royal Princess Kitty Katt for her last tests)...I can't think of the name but will see if I can get it for you. I think they are 24/7. They are great too and let you stay with your little friend. I know you are feeling helpless. I've been there too many times both alone and in support of friends. Find a vet you are happy with and forget the distance. (My feelings.) I drove from Okolona to Middletown when I was in Louisville. Now I drive from SE KY to Middletown. I want someone I can depend on to be straight with me. Period. Dixie was a throw away that I was going to bring to the farm as an outside cat. I took her to MAC to be spayed and they tested her. I can't tell you the feelings in Dr. Bishop's voice when he called to say she was FeLV+ and to ask how to handle it. When I figured out how to keep Dixie alive and separate from the other outside cats at Mom's there was a lot of relief at MAC. Now, over 2 years later, everyone thinks Dixie is the sweetest little thing around. She rarely sees them (no need but they work her in when I do have a problem) but I stop every time I am in town for the oral Interferon and just to say hi. I have had their support thru numerous "pets" and several stray/throw-always/injuries. You have to find something like this, hopefully in your neck of the woods. Without it you will be miserable. Again, maybe Susan is your answer. She is 15-20 minutes away when 64 is open. Please keep looking for the right vet. I think everyone on the list will tell you how very important that is. I just happen to know something about the area you are in and am probably boring everyone else. Please keep looking. If you decide you want the names of other vets in what I believe to be your area I can contact friends for recommendations or Susan can recommend some one. If so you may want to email off line. I'm not sure how that is done but someone can tell you if you don't know. Just keep on keeping on. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Caroline Kaufmann To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:35 AM Subject: Re:TO CAROLINE RE MONKEE: Re: Anemia Issues Marylyn- thanks for the good advice. These are things we will work on trying this week. I do need to start Monkee on an organic cat food. I've just been feeding him "Brandon Farms" organic that I found at Kroger this past week. I have been short on cash since the blood transfusion, so I had to carefully choose some of my purchases for him. He had a bad day on Saturday and it really got me down. Since he was "down," it made me depressed and I couldn't really do anything. But on Sunday, Monkee had a really "good" day! He was so bright in the eyes and really active and talkative. We went outside (he no longer needs his harness and leash because he moves slow and stays with me). So, in turn, on Sun. I had a good day. I just thought it was odd that he'd have a bad day on Sat. and then go up so drastically the next day? I am REALLY frustrated with Monkee's doctors. I put a call into Dr. Daley on THURSDAY of last week to ask if I should re-start him on Interferon on Friday. SHE NEVER CALLED ME BACK. IT'S MONDAY AND I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD FROM HER. I find that unacceptable. All I needed was a call to be returned by a tech/receptionist answering my simple question that they should have printed off in the care instructions on Wednesday to begin with! I had also called Monkee's original vet, Dr. Jones, on Thursday and finally heard from him on Friday at 5:30. He was kind of stand-offish and said he didn't want to "change anything" we were doing for Monkee yet (I asked about giving Epogen another shot) and he said he wanted to talk to Dr. Daley first. He also said Daley's office hadn't sent them any records since 6/22- which was before the transfusion- which quadrupely upsets me b/c if Monkee has an emergency and crashes or something, I am taking him DOWN THE ROAD- 5 mins away- to Dr. Jones, not 25 mins away to Daley's!!! I talked to him about Monkee coming back to him for primary care since it looks like we aren't treating him primarily for his cancer anymore. He said I needed to follow-up with Daley first and asked if Monkee had an appointment set. I
