Kelly Saveika hearing/Barn home placements
One last word on this, for the sake of the cats intended for barn home placements. To whomever is on this list and in contact with the people who actually have these cats, please have them contact me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing cats who have been raised indoors to some outside location is not in the best interests of the cats. We can come up with a much better solution. MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith www.shadowcats.net Austin, Tx Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing/Barn home placements
Shelters put a lot of cats down who would make wonderful pets if given the opportunity. Cats who are fractious or undersocialized need a good foster home where someone will take the time to work with them. It is premature to send them to a barn home, especially when they have been so recently traumatized by the whole animal control/seizure/shelter cage experience. Could you simply forward my posts on this topic to sheila or susan or whomever has these cats? I'm active with Fix Our Ferals in Oakland, CA and on a nationwide feral cat list with almost 3000 members. We should be able to find safe indoor placements with feral-aware people for 6 cats. These cats have options. So please urge the people who have them to contact me before putting them outside somewhere. glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan, I do understand about believing some cats deserve to be socialized...I do know a number of the cats Shelia took in were FeLV cats and I think some so unsocial that the city shelter would have put them down.That is why Susan stepped in... These must have been the ones that were placed in the barn situation...I think if you go right to shadowcats or just come over and post on Michael's list...I'm not trying to steal anyone from the list they are on, but in my heart and soul, my interest is the cats and if you have better ideas for these cats, I'm with you. I trapped a couple ferals a couple weeks ago , they got spayed /neutered and I paid out of pocket for their rabies vaccinations, etc, but was forced to release them right back to their own environment...did find a lady willing to feed them, however...I am here in Nebraska...I'm from your area of California...things are very backward here for the animals. I will visit you offlist later. Thank you for caring...Glenda --- Susan Hoffman wrote: One last word on this, for the sake of the cats intended for barn home placements. To whomever is on this list and in contact with the people who actually have these cats, please have them contact me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing cats who have been raised indoors to some outside location is not in the best interests of the cats. We can come up with a much better solution. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health experts, counseling. you name it. BUT.. For the animals they abused, there is only YOU. You are bound to speak for THEM- the dead cats in the closets- no one else will. Best, Sheila Smith
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing/Barn home placements
Bless your heart...I sure will... --- Susan Hoffman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shelters put a lot of cats down who would make wonderful pets if given the opportunity. Cats who are fractious or undersocialized need a good foster home where someone will take the time to work with them. It is premature to send them to a barn home, especially when they have been so recently traumatized by the whole animal control/seizure/shelter cage experience. Could you simply forward my posts on this topic to sheila or susan or whomever has these cats? I'm active with Fix Our Ferals in Oakland, CA and on a nationwide feral cat list with almost 3000 members. We should be able to find safe indoor placements with feral-aware people for 6 cats. These cats have options. So please urge the people who have them to contact me before putting them outside somewhere. glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Susan, I do understand about believing some cats deserve to be socialized...I do know a number of the cats Shelia took in were FeLV cats and I think some so unsocial that the city shelter would have put them down.That is why Susan stepped in... These must have been the ones that were placed in the barn situation...I think if you go right to shadowcats or just come over and post on Michael's list...I'm not trying to steal anyone from the list they are on, but in my heart and soul, my interest is the cats and if you have better ideas for these cats, I'm with you. I trapped a couple ferals a couple weeks ago , they got spayed /neutered and I paid out of pocket for their rabies vaccinations, etc, but was forced to release them right back to their own environment...did find a lady willing to feed them, however...I am here in Nebraska...I'm from your area of California...things are very backward here for the animals. I will visit you offlist later. Thank you for caring...Glenda --- Susan Hoffman wrote: One last word on this, for the sake of the cats intended for barn home placements. To whomever is on this list and in contact with the people who actually have these cats, please have them contact me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing cats who have been raised indoors to some outside location is not in the best interests of the cats. We can come up with a much better solution. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone burning out and we offer mentoring, guidance and help, in the end there are multiple resources for people. There are nurses, doctors, mental health
Re: Kelly Saveika hearing/Barn home placements
And if the cats have already been transferred to barn homes perhaps we can retrieve them and work on indoor placement with an eye towards socialization for adoption. glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bless your heart...I sure will... --- Susan Hoffman wrote: Shelters put a lot of cats down who would make wonderful pets if given the opportunity. Cats who are fractious or undersocialized need a good foster home where someone will take the time to work with them. It is premature to send them to a barn home, especially when they have been so recently traumatized by the whole animal control/seizure/shelter cage experience. Could you simply forward my posts on this topic to sheila or susan or whomever has these cats? I'm active with Fix Our Ferals in Oakland, CA and on a nationwide feral cat list with almost 3000 members. We should be able to find safe indoor placements with feral-aware people for 6 cats. These cats have options. So please urge the people who have them to contact me before putting them outside somewhere. glenda Goodman wrote: Hi Susan, I do understand about believing some cats deserve to be socialized...I do know a number of the cats Shelia took in were FeLV cats and I think some so unsocial that the city shelter would have put them down.That is why Susan stepped in... These must have been the ones that were placed in the barn situation...I think if you go right to shadowcats or just come over and post on Michael's list...I'm not trying to steal anyone from the list they are on, but in my heart and soul, my interest is the cats and if you have better ideas for these cats, I'm with you. I trapped a couple ferals a couple weeks ago , they got spayed /neutered and I paid out of pocket for their rabies vaccinations, etc, but was forced to release them right back to their own environment...did find a lady willing to feed them, however...I am here in Nebraska...I'm from your area of California...things are very backward here for the animals. I will visit you offlist later. Thank you for caring...Glenda --- Susan Hoffman wrote: One last word on this, for the sake of the cats intended for barn home placements. To whomever is on this list and in contact with the people who actually have these cats, please have them contact me off-list. I know a lot of people who work with feral and undersocialized cats and surely we should be able to absorb 6 cats. Please have the person with these cats get in touch with me. Releasing cats who have been raised indoors to some outside location is not in the best interests of the cats. We can come up with a much better solution. MaryChristine wrote: glenda, dear, exactly who and what gives you permission to post things that are supposedly private communications to me? On Dec 12, 2007 11:47 AM, glenda Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- From: Sheila Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED] ' Subject: Fwd: Kelly Saveika hearing.. I just saw this post. Oh well, I am going to let it slide b/c I have bigger fish to fry, but... you are very good at cut and paste. I mean you managed the gist of it ok.. I AM watching you. Remember ARC in Midlothian, Tx and the hundreds of cats that suffered and died in the name of rescue? Years of being tied up in court and $40K later, but it was the best money I ever spent b/c it was FOR the animals. I thought if there are still any open minded people still left on this list you would like to know the disposition of some of the fifteen cats we rescued. Five have been adopted including one (Cinderella) I adopted myself and two that were adopted by Susan, six are going to barn placement, two will go to Best Friends, two are still too weak to place and are recovering from the effects of poor nutrition and dehydration (one of which had to have surgery) according to their veterinarian- although their prognosis is now good. On another note, I really do hope you all do go back to the focus of feline leukemia. I think this group must have had great focus at one time- I joined initially b/c I thought it did and b/c I felt I had a lot to offer the group b/c of my extensive experience w/ feline leukemia and b/c of my husbands participation in national boards. etc. I was excited to hear from other people across the country that had experience with feline leukemia. I really do hope the very best for all of you and I hope you all do really good things for the animals in your care. I hope you all will remember this though. You are the animals advocate. You are not the caretaker's advocate at the end of the day. While we all wish good things for the caretakers and we worry about anyone
