Re: OT:help with my dilemma
Jenn, I love writing too. I'd love to read any stories you've written, if you have time to send them. I only write nonfiction stories, having no talent in fiction. Presto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: Re: OT:help with my dilemma Thanks Presto. Moogie's cremains sit on a shelf in the kitchen surrounded by pictures of her. It's strange, I can be in the room with her remains and her "real" memorial and not cry, but when I go to the webpage memorial, I lose it every time. I do think I captured something on that page that really represents the essence of her life, and what she meant to me. I'm glad you thought so too. I love writing, about all things. I appreciate the compliment on my writing as well. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005
OT:help with my dilemma
Hi, everyone I am in dilemma and I need your opinions. My Hannibal who has had kidney problem might need to get his tooth pulled out he only had one tooth left, but the root is showing and its hurting him as he grows after the food touch his tooth. He is an older feral boy, and has kidney problem (thought this very last blood work showed that everything is back into the normal range yeah I have been giving him fluid a couple of times a week along with V-B12 and complex injections).. anyway, he had lost a couple of pounds since the last check up which was two months ago, and am thinking that it might be due to his tooth.. he likes to drink juice from fish can.. but try to avoid eat a solid food if he is in a perfect condition, I would have them pull a tooth right away, because he is an older boy, because he has low grade heart murmur, because of the past kidney issue, because of high globulin, the vet thought he might have FIP (though I personally dont feel that he has some reasons), I am going back and forth as to what I should do I would love to have it pulled if he will go through the surgery ok.. but you just never know.and I cant afford to lose him from the surgery - --any advise?
Re: OT:help with my dilemma
I have gone through similar decisions with my positives. Ginger stopped eating and I thought it was from her bad teeth but was not sure, and did not know whether to put her through tooth-pulling. I did, and they pulled 10 teeth at one time, and she got a really bad URI afterwards. But when she pulled through that, at last, she was able to eat again. Now, only 7 months later, the gums over her remaining teeth are bright red and I notice her chewing less and i am unsure whether to bring her to a dentist or not. And Patches, also positive, has two broken teeth that the vet says need to come out, but she is eating so, even if the teeth hurt her, I have been afraid of putting her through the surgery. All of which is to say, I don't know. The thing to keep in mind, though, is that a bad tooth can actually cause kidney problems or make them worse, as bacteria and other stuff gets into the blood stream through the bad tooth's root and needs to be processed by the kidneys. Also, not eating enough can make the kidneys worse. Have you asked if it is possible, given the heart murmer and that it is only one tooth, to pull it under heavy but not complete sedation with local painkillers and anesthetics? If that is possible, I think I would do it. How old is he? Michelle In a message dated 12/8/2005 2:18:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, everyone – I am in dilemma and I need your opinions. My Hannibal who has had kidney problem might need to get his tooth pulled out – he only had one tooth left, but the root is showing and it’s hurting him as he grows after the food touch his tooth. He is an older feral boy, and has kidney problem (thought this very last blood work showed that everything is back into the normal range – yeah – I have been giving him fluid a couple of times a week along with V-B12 and complex injections).. anyway, he had lost a couple of pounds since the last check up which was two months ago, and am thinking that it might be due to his tooth.. he likes to drink juice from fish can.. but try to avoid eat a solid food – if he is in a perfect condition, I would have them pull a tooth right away, because he is an older boy, because he has low grade heart murmur, because of the past kidney issue, because of high globulin, the vet thought he might have FIP (though I personally don’t feel that he has some reasons), I am going back and forth as to what I should do – I would love to have it pulled if he will go through the surgery ok.. but you just never know….and I can’t afford to lose him from the surgery - --any advise?
Re: OT:help with my dilemma
Hideyo, That's a tough call with Hannibal. How wonderful that his blood work is all in the normal range now! You're such a good mom! Did I understand you correctly, that Hannibal only has one tooth left in his head? How can he eat anything solid with one tooth? It's alarming that he's lost two pounds over a two month period. I know how special Hannibal is and how scary it is to subject him to surgery, but if he won't eat because he's in pain... I wish I had some advice for you, these decisions are never easy. If he is in pain because the root of the tooth is exposed, (and not because the tooth is impacted/infected), might he benefit from some sort of topical fluoride treatment? Using fluoride on exposed roots reduce and sometimes eliminate pain. I know there are prescription fluoride rinses for humans, maybe they could be used on cats? Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, everyone I am in dilemma and I need your opinions. My Hannibal who has had kidney problem might need to get his tooth pulled out he only had one tooth left, but the root is showing and its hurting him as he grows after the food touch his tooth. He is an older feral boy, and has kidney problem (thought this very last blood work showed that everything is back into the normal range yeah I have been giving him fluid a couple of times a week along with V-B12 and complex injections).. anyway, he had lost a couple of pounds since the last check up which was two months ago, and am thinking that it might be due to his tooth.. he likes to drink juice from fish can.. but try to avoid eat a solid food if he is in a perfect condition, I would have them pull a tooth right away, because he is an older boy, because he has low grade heart murmur, because of the past kidney issue, because of high globulin, the vet thought he might have FIP (though I personally dont feel that he has some reasons), I am going back and forth as to what I should do I would love to have it pulled if he will go through the surgery ok.. but you just never know.and I cant afford to lose him from the surgery - --any advise?
Re: OT:help with my dilemma
i was thinking something similar re: a less-than-total anesthesia--if the root is showing already, it may not be that firmly embedded don't know how they go about that, tho but it's equally true that hannibal MUST be able to eat, and the possible systemic consequences of NOT treating an infection might be worse in the long tun.. i don't know what to advise, tho as any surgery, even in an apparently healthy cat, can be life-threatening (not very helpful, huh?) -- MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
RE: OT:help with my dilemma
Its sort of difficult to give him anything to his teeth,, he will fight so hard the vet said that his gum were so inflamed around the tooth, too. Apparently, they can eat well with no teeth.. my baby Garfunkle had almost no teeth (even when I first met him),, but he ate well.. oh gosh.. I miss my Garfunkle.. I am looking at his picture as I write.. and I just so wish I could hold him in my arms again. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:help with my dilemma Hideyo, That's a tough call with Hannibal. How wonderful that his blood work is all in the normal range now! You're such a good mom! Did I understand you correctly, that Hannibal only has one tooth left in his head? How can he eat anything solid with one tooth? It's alarming that he's lost two pounds over a two month period. I know how special Hannibal is and how scary it is to subject him to surgery, but if he won't eat because he's in pain... I wish I had some advice for you, these decisions are never easy. If he is in pain because the root of the tooth is exposed, (and not because the tooth is impacted/infected), might he benefit from some sort of topical fluoride treatment? Using fluoride on exposed roots reduce and sometimes eliminate pain. I know there are prescription fluoride rinses for humans, maybe they could be used on cats? Nina Hideyo Yamamoto wrote: Hi, everyone I am in dilemma and I need your opinions. My Hannibal who has had kidney problem might need to get his tooth pulled out he only had one tooth left, but the root is showing and its hurting him as he grows after the food touch his tooth. He is an older feral boy, and has kidney problem (thought this very last blood work showed that everything is back into the normal range yeah I have been giving him fluid a couple of times a week along with V-B12 and complex injections).. anyway, he had lost a couple of pounds since the last check up which was two months ago, and am thinking that it might be due to his tooth.. he likes to drink juice from fish can.. but try to avoid eat a solid food if he is in a perfect condition, I would have them pull a tooth right away, because he is an older boy, because he has low grade heart murmur, because of the past kidney issue, because of high globulin, the vet thought he might have FIP (though I personally dont feel that he has some reasons), I am going back and forth as to what I should do I would love to have it pulled if he will go through the surgery ok.. but you just never know.and I cant afford to lose him from the surgery - --any advise?
RE: OT:help with my dilemma
Well.. I dont know exactly how old he is somewhere between 10 and 20 I have met him 7 years ago,, abut he was a matured boy then (not young one) I would ask about local pain killers ---but since he is sort of a feral boy and hates to be message with his face or mouth.. it might be difficult to handle him that way, too. I have one girl Ruby-E gone through the dental a couple of weeks ago, and its amazing to see how much better she is doing now, she is a different cat! The teeth must have been hurting her so bad before. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:help with my dilemma I have gone through similar decisions with my positives. Ginger stopped eating and I thought it was from her bad teeth but was not sure, and did not know whether to put her through tooth-pulling. I did, and they pulled 10 teeth at one time, and she got a really bad URI afterwards. But when she pulled through that, at last, she was able to eat again. Now, only 7 months later, the gums over her remaining teeth are bright red and I notice her chewing less and i am unsure whether to bring her to a dentist or not. And Patches, also positive, has two broken teeth that the vet says need to come out, but she is eating so, even if the teeth hurt her, I have been afraid of putting her through the surgery. All of which is to say, I don't know. The thing to keep in mind, though, is that a bad tooth can actually cause kidney problems or make them worse, as bacteria and other stuff gets into the blood stream through the bad tooth's root and needs to be processed by the kidneys. Also, not eating enough can make the kidneys worse. Have you asked if it is possible, given the heart murmer and that it is only one tooth, to pull it under heavy but not complete sedation with local painkillers and anesthetics? If that is possible, I think I would do it. How old is he? Michelle In a message dated 12/8/2005 2:18:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi, everyone I am in dilemma and I need your opinions. My Hannibal who has had kidney problem might need to get his tooth pulled out he only had one tooth left, but the root is showing and its hurting him as he grows after the food touch his tooth. He is an older feral boy, and has kidney problem (thought this very last blood work showed that everything is back into the normal range yeah I have been giving him fluid a couple of times a week along with V-B12 and complex injections).. anyway, he had lost a couple of pounds since the last check up which was two months ago, and am thinking that it might be due to his tooth.. he likes to drink juice from fish can.. but try to avoid eat a solid food if he is in a perfect condition, I would have them pull a tooth right away, because he is an older boy, because he has low grade heart murmur, because of the past kidney issue, because of high globulin, the vet thought he might have FIP (though I personally dont feel that he has some reasons), I am going back and forth as to what I should do I would love to have it pulled if he will go through the surgery ok.. but you just never know.and I cant afford to lose him from the surgery - --any advise?
Re: OT:help with my dilemma
Hi Jenn, On another topic, I read your memorial to Moogie this morning, and wept. Then I gave a printed copy to my husband, and after he'd read it in the other room, he camein to seeme with tearsstreaming down his cheeks. You captured everything very accurately. I was especially, especially touched by the end, with the cat looking at the human for reassurance that it was okay to let go. That is our finalact of love, isn't it? To be there when they die, and to comfort them. I've learned over the years to control my tears at that time, so that I may be of comfort. Being rescue workers, we've attended many, many euthanasias. But it doesn't get any easier. Each is a unique living being, full of joy, and in the end, of pain and fear, and the need for comfort. My eight-month-old leukemic Jaya was euthanized by my vet last year while he was cradled in my arms on his back, looking up at me for reassurance. I gave him that reassurance. I look out my kitchen window to where he is buried, and I weep regularly. I couldn't let him know at the time how upset I was that he was dying. It's very hard to keep ones' emotions under control in those final moments, but it's essential. Thank you for sharing your memorial. You're a gifted writer, thinker, and careperson. Presto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: Re: OT:help with my dilemma Is the tooth loose at all? If it's loose, it's possibly that it could be pulled quickly without any sedation. I had one vet that did minor dentals on well behaved cats without sedating them at all (he has since retired). It CAN be done. Or is he REALLY wild? Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005
RE: OT:help with my dilemma
Dear Jenn, I wish it could have come out so easily.. thats why I took him to the vet with the hope that its lose enough that she could just pull it.. and it was not.. its K9 teeth and it was not lose.. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Presto Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 4:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:help with my dilemma Hi Jenn, On another topic, I read your memorial to Moogie this morning, and wept. Then I gave a printed copy to my husband, and after he'd read it in the other room, he camein to seeme with tearsstreaming down his cheeks. You captured everything very accurately. I was especially, especially touched by the end, with the cat looking at the human for reassurance that it was okay to let go. That is our finalact of love, isn't it? To be there when they die, and to comfort them. I've learned over the years to control my tears at that time, so that I may be of comfort. Being rescue workers, we've attended many, many euthanasias. But it doesn't get any easier. Each is a unique living being, full of joy, and in the end, of pain and fear, and the need for comfort. My eight-month-old leukemic Jaya was euthanized by my vet last year while he was cradled in my arms on his back, looking up at me for reassurance. I gave him that reassurance. I look out my kitchen window to where he is buried, and I weep regularly. I couldn't let him know at the time how upset I was that he was dying. It's very hard to keep ones' emotions under control in those final moments, but it's essential. Thank you for sharing your memorial. You're a gifted writer, thinker, and careperson. Presto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 3:50 PM Subject: Re: OT:help with my dilemma Is the tooth loose at all? If it's loose, it's possibly that it could be pulled quickly without any sedation. I had one vet that did minor dentals on well behaved cats without sedating them at all (he has since retired). It CAN be done. Or is he REALLY wild? Jenn http://ucat.us http://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.html Adopt a cat from UCAT rescue: http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/ Adopt a FELV+ cat: http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html ~~~ I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life. Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula! PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil! If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to! ~ Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005
Re: OT:help with my dilemma
Thanks Presto. Moogie's cremains sit on a shelf in the kitchen surrounded by pictures of her. It's strange, I can be in the room with her remains and her "real" memorial and not cry, but when I go to the webpage memorial, I lose it every time. I do think I captured something on that page that really represents the essence of her life, and what she meant to me. I'm glad you thought so too. I love writing, about all things. I appreciate the compliment on my writing as well. Jennhttp://ucat.ushttp://ucat.us/domesticcatlinks.htmlAdopt a cat from UCAT rescue:http://ucat.us/adopt.html Adopt a FIV+ cat: http://ucat.us/AWrescue/FIV/Adopt a FELV+ cat:http://ucat.us/FELVadopt.html~~~I collect KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil, a 3 yr old special needs cat who must live on a liquid diet for the rest of his life.Bazil's caretaker collects labels and sends them to KMR, where they add up until she earns a free can of formula!PLEASE save your KMR kitten formula labels for Bazil!If you use KMR, even just one can, please email me for the NEW address to send them to!~Does your cat have chronic diarrhea that does not respond to treatment, or has your cat been loosely diagnosed as IBD? Have you tested for Tritrichomonosis? The test is new, the new drug makes it curable. Ask me today how you can test for Trich! No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.12/194 - Release Date: 12/7/2005
