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That Hospital would have had to pay for their disposal. They do not get to dispose the expired animals for free
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This is the last time I'll comment on this thread, I promise Yes, vet hospitals, shelters, etc. DO have to pay ...per pound...to dispose of the deceased animals this is why they charge for drop offs. (This is why the owner of DAR in MD was charged with dumping carcusses from his no kill into the Baltimore County animal shelter's freezer - it wasn't just because of tresspassing, but he was costing them hundreds of dollars by leaving animals there-they now keep a pad lock and cameras trained on the freezer unit).Karolyn Lount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That "Hospital" would have had to pay for their disposal. They do notget to dispose the expired animals for free Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site!
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Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJDate: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yardE. Orange resident operates rescue agencyFriday, May 20, 2005BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISONStar-Ledger StaffOver two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as acaregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue andadoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it homeherself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death.Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like inpractice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complainingabout a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bagsin the back yard.The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor theyproduced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to thetwo-story home on State Street."Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated HumaneSocieties, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible."Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, whichoperates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orangefrom Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. Morearrived while she was there."She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- andthat she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they'redying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for thePrevention of Cruelty to Animals.When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Thenthey went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the EastOrange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School.Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or morevermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become sodecomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had beenplacing dead cats in the yard since she moved in, Bierman said."I haven't seen anything quite like this," Bierman said. "Certainly it's anunusual incident."Kess, seen arguing with animal-welfare officials outside the home, declinedto comment.She was cited for several East Orange health code violations, among themkeeping an unlawful number of animals, harboring dead animals and creating apotential environmental hazard by keeping the corpses on her property, citysanitary inspector Frank Habegger said last night.In addition, the SPCA charged her with 38 counts of failing to properlyshelter cats. The counts stem from the cats being locked together in a frontroom. Some of the cats were healthy, while others were ill. Under stateregulations, anyone keeping large numbers of animals must separate the sickfrom the healthy.Ten other healthy cats were roaming free in the house.Both investigations were continuing. This morning, public works crews wereexpected to remove the carcasses from the back yard, and necropsies were tobe performed on some of the animals to determine a cause of death, saidDarryl Jeffries, a city spokesman.Kess was allowed to keep the 48 living cats in her home because she said shewould separate the sick and healthy animals, Bierman said. SPCA officerswere planning to return to the home to ensure she does, he said.She apparently planned to bury the corpse-laden garbage bags in a large holethat had been recently dug in the back yard, Bierman said."It was almost like a grave," he said, describing it as about 5 feet deepand 7 feet wide. Kess told investigators she planned to plant a tree in thespot
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That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves andKess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJDate: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yardE. Orange resident operates rescue agencyFriday, May 20, 2005BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISONStar-Ledger StaffOver two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as acaregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue andadoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it homeherself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death.Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like inpractice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complainingabout a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bagsin the back yard.The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor theyproduced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to thetwo-story home on State Street."Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated HumaneSocieties, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible."Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, whichoperates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orangefrom Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. Morearrived while she was there."She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- andthat she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they'redying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for thePrevention of Cruelty to Animals.When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Thenthey went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the EastOrange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School.Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or morevermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become sodecomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had beenplacing dead cats in the yard since she moved in, Bierman said."I haven't seen anything quite like this," Bierman said. "Certainly it's anunusual incident."Kess, seen arguing with animal-welfare officials outside the home, declinedto comment.She was cited for several East Orange health code violations, among themkeeping an unlawful number of animals, harboring dead animals and creating apotential environmental hazard by keeping the corpses on her property, citysanitary inspector Frank Habegger said last night.In addition, the SPCA charged her with 38 counts of failing to properlyshelter cats. The counts stem from the cats being locked together in a frontroom. Some of the cats were healthy, while others were ill. Under stateregulations, anyone keeping large numbers of animals must separate the sickfrom the healthy.Ten other healthy cats were roaming free in the house.Both investigations were continuing. This morning, public works crews wereexpected to remove
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Mia, I don't think you really have to worry. This particular Kitty Kind, just like Defenders of Animal Rights, Inc. aka Adopt A Pet in MD, is an example of good intentions gone bad...whether through emotion (this particular Kitty Kind I'm assuming) or greed (as in D.A.R.I know first hand). While those of us associated with animal rescue will forward these messages to one another, it is intended, mainly from our stance, to avoid recommending this rescue as a place to "help", dump, unwanted animals...or as a warning to not use for fostering purposes. As rescue-ers should anyone wish to adopt an animal, they would be warned to make certain that said cat was properly vetted, and not to leave access monies...but would be urged to adopt from them to help alieviate(sp?) the burden. The animals suffer most from organization that, while vowing to protect defend, actually defraud and take advantage ofkind hearted people and animals in bad situations. There ARE some places worse than death for unwanted animals...BELIEVE me, I've seen first hand TOO many. Ironically, all started out with the very best of intentions and were either overwhelmed by animals needing their help, or tempted too highly with the easy lure of money by people wanting to help, but not willing to do the leg work- so they write a check, and MOST really don't want to know where the money goes, but either trust the organization or are satisfied to believe that it went to the animals. Knowledge of the truth, will never be a true deteriment to anyone seeking help. TMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJDate: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yardE. Orange resident operates rescue agencyFriday, May 20, 2005BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISONStar-Ledger StaffOver two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as acaregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue andadoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it homeherself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death.Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like inpractice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complainingabout a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bagsin the back yard.The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor theyproduced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to thetwo-story home on State Street."Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated HumaneSocieties, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible."Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, whichoperates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orangefrom Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. Morearrived while she was there."She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- andthat she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they'redying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for thePrevention of Cruelty to Animals.When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Thenthey went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the EastOrange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School.Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or morevermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become sodecomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had beenplacing dead cats in the yard since she moved
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Mia, I understand what you are saying about not judging everyone involved with an organization because of one individual's actions and, of course, the cats in their care shouldn't suffer further because of any human's misconduct. When I read about this situation, I couldn't help but wonder what sort of deplorable circumstances could lead someone who, (one would hope), was trying to help, to these dire straights. Not everyone will be able to muster compassion for the humans involved, but we all are heartsick over what the innocents suffer. Nina Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More arrived while she was there. "She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- and that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they're dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Then they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East Orange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School. Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or more vermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become so decomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had been placing dead cats in the yard since she moved in, Bierman said. "I haven't seen anything quite like this," Bierman said. "Certainly it's an unusual incident." Kess, seen arguing with animal-welfare officials outside the home, declined to comment. She was cited for several East Orange health code violations, among them keeping an unlawful number of animals, harboring dead animals and creating a potential environmental hazard by keeping the corpses on her property, city sanitary inspector Frank Habegger said last night. In addition, the SPCA charged her with 38 counts of failing to properly shelter cats. The counts stem from the cats being locked together in a front room. Some of the cats were healthy, while others were ill. Under state regulations, anyone keeping large numbers of animals must separate the sick from the healthy. Ten other healthy cats were roaming free in the house. Both investigations were continuing. This morning, public works crews were
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Nina, You are too kind.I am not so understanding, she runs the shelter and should be an influence to others that volunteer , and by doing what she has done it more or less condones it for the volunteers. CherieNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia,I understand what you are saying about not judging everyone involved with an organization because of one individual's actions and, of course, the cats in their care shouldn't suffer further because of any human's misconduct. When I read about this situation, I couldn't help but wonder what sort of deplorable circumstances could lead someone who, (one would hope), was trying to help, to these dire straights. Not everyone will be able to muster compassion for the humans involved, but we all are heartsick over what the innocents suffer.NinaMia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. *I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:* ** *This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. * */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More arrived while she was there. "She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- and that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they're dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Then they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East Orange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School. Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or more vermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become so decomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had been placing dead cats in the yard since she moved in, Bierman said. "I haven't seen anything quite like this," Bierman said. "Certainly it's an unusual incident." Kess, seen arguing with animal-welfare officials outside the home, declined to comment. She was cited for several East Orange health code violations, among them keeping an unlawful number of animals, harboring dead animals and creating a potential environmental hazard by keeping the corpses on her property, city sanitary inspector Frank Habegger said last night. In addition, the SPCA charged her with 38 counts of failing to properly shelter cats. The counts stem from the cats being locked together in a front room. Some of the cats were healthy, while others were ill. Under state
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I am not standing up for her or what she has done please read again what I have wrote. We were actually crying when we heard on the news what she did because we did get to meet some of these amazing cats during adoption events they held. Many rescuersalong withmyself are extremely upset by this and her actions. What I was saying is that there are lots of volunteers and fosters who put in so much of their time and efforts that had nothing to do with this nor did they know and have just found out like you and me through the news and paper. They are extemely upset embarrassed by this event. Please realize the kitties along with the volunteers and foster *** who again have nothing to do with this event are the ones that will suffer. They have their own animals along with others that **are not in Marlene's care and are the ones suffering. I am not affliated with this group but do know many that arefeeling the anger from the public because of Marlene and had no idea this was going on. They are just as angry about this asyou and me. Please do notthinkI am defending her in anyway as Ifeel the same about this situation as you. I am actually upset to think that you thought I was.I am just worried about the homeless cats that are still with Kitty Kind that are not in Marlene's care and with loving fosters and volunteers and are having to deal with people not wanting to adopt them.Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves andKess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJDate: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yardE. Orange resident operates rescue agencyFriday, May 20, 2005BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISONStar-Ledger StaffOver two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as acaregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue andadoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it homeherself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death.Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like inpractice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complainingabout a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bagsin the back yard.The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor theyproduced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to thetwo-story home on State Street."Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated HumaneSocieties, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible."Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, whichoperates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orangefrom Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. Morearrived while she was there."She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- andthat she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they'redying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for
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Mia, I agree with both sides on this. And I see what you are saying - I wonder if perhaps the publicity the organization is receiving could be used to the advantage of the cats who remain in the program - sometimes something like this that horrifies people will also move them to action - and possibly adoptions might come from this that otherwise might not have happened. I will pray for that to happen.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not standing up for her or what she has done please read again what I have wrote. We were actually crying when we heard on the news what she did because we did get to meet some of these amazing cats during adoption events they held. Many rescuersalong withmyself are extremely upset by this and her actions. What I was saying is that there are lots of volunteers and fosters who put in so much of their time and efforts that had nothing to do with this nor did they know and have just found out like you and me through the news and paper. They are extemely upset embarrassed by this event. Please realize the kitties along with the volunteers and foster *** who again have nothing to do with this event are the ones that will suffer. They have their own animals along with others that **are not in Marlene's care and are the ones suffering. I am not affliated with this group but do know many that arefeeling the anger from the public because of Marlene and had no idea this was going on. They are just as angry about this asyou and me. Please do notthinkI am defending her in anyway as Ifeel the same about this situation as you. I am actually upset to think that you thought I was.I am just worried about the homeless cats that are still with Kitty Kind that are not in Marlene's care and with loving fosters and volunteers and are having to deal with people not wanting to adopt them.Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves andKess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJDate: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yardE. Orange resident operates rescue agencyFriday, May 20, 2005BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISONStar-Ledger StaffOver two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as acaregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue andadoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it homeherself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death.Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like inpractice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complainingabout a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bagsin the back yard.The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor theyproduced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to thetwo-story home on State Street."Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated HumaneSocieties, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible."Kess -- the 56-year-old founder
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I agree to a point, but my vet and the local vets around here, would take deceased animals and get rid of the bodies for you, with no cost, and I have made some calls and I have not found an animal hospital or vet around me that would not take the animal from you. As for vet cost, if you can not afford it do not do it.I have 9 cats now and if I could not afford sick kitties or the vet bills, I would not have taken them. I have a humane society (I use that lightly) that is completly over run, I have often thought about building a facility to house sick kitties, or last chance cats, the cost of such an endeaver is my only down fall.big as it may be. I have gone into the "humane society" with cleaning supplies and offered to clean up the kennels and they were completely appauld me and said it was fine the way it is...let me tell you the stench is something horried. If there was a way and I am still looking I would definately put my money where my mouth is and help more that my 9.. The guy that would only meet you in a parking lot, needs to be investigated in my opinion that seems a little too fishy. CherieChris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Of course, the article doesnt really describe the condition of the living cats except that they were in one room. Certainly it is at the very least odd that someone would just dump the carcasses but then how much would it have cost to have each cremated . And if she couldnt afford the cremation, I doubt she could afford the vet bills. Ive never understood why the vet schools dont set up free or low-cost clinics for their students to help with this situation. It sounds like perhaps this is someone who got in way over their head As for mixing sick healthy cats, does FELV diagnosis automatically constitute sick Believe me, Im not trying to make excuses for her but when as I look for a home for my Big Boy, Ive talked to any number of people who are clearly in over their head. One person, highly recommended by several local rescue groups for taking their FELV cats, refused to tell me where he lived wanted to meet me in a parking lot to get Big Boy. Rescue groups apparently meet him at Petco give him their FELV kittens. While he said the reason for not telling me where he was was because people would dump animals made some sense, I was flabergasted that no legitimate rescue group had ever seen his home. He might be great but who would ever know! Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cherie A GabbertSent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:06 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CATRESCUE-in Orange, NJ] That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves andKess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Have a purrfect day Cherie
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To everyone in this group, Please do not take my recent email as a defense to Kitty Kind or this organization. Again I am not affiliated with them and believe what her actions have createdis horrible. My previous email is to express my concernfor the cats with Kitty Kind and also the fosters and volunteers. Many of them are so upset and found out just like me and you.**Please remember some of those catsmight have beenwith them at one point and they thought Marlene was doing the right thing. I am just worried some of these cats who really need homes will not get adopted because of the bad media Marlene has given this group.Please remember that some of these cats are in foster homes and not with that woman!! I hope I have not upset anyone with this email and have shed some light on the innocent kitties, fosters and volunteers. **Please remember they have just found out and just imagine how upset they must be. MiaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia,I understand what you are saying about not judging everyone involved with an organization because of one individual's actions and, of course, the cats in their care shouldn't suffer further because of any human's misconduct. When I read about this situation, I couldn't help but wonder what sort of deplorable circumstances could lead someone who, (one would hope), was trying to help, to these dire straights. Not everyone will be able to muster compassion for the humans involved, but we all are heartsick over what the innocents suffer.NinaMia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. *I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:* ** *This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. * */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More arrived while she was there. "She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- and that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they're dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Then they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East Orange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School. Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or more vermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become so decomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had been placing dead cats in the yard since she
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To everyone in this group, Please do not take my recent email as a defense to Kitty Kind or this organization. Again I am not affiliated with them and believe what her actions have createdis horrible. My previous email is to express my concernfor the cats with Kitty Kind and also the fosters and volunteers. Many of them are so upset and found out just like me and you.**Please remember some of those catsmight have beenwith them at one point and they thought Marlene was doing the right thing. I am just worried some of these cats who really need homes will not get adopted because of the bad media Marlene has given this group.Please remember that some of these cats are in foster homes and not with that woman!! I hope I have not upset anyone with this email and have shed some light on the innocent kitties, fosters and volunteers. **Please remember they have just found out and just imagine how upset they must be. MiaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia,I understand what you are saying about not judging everyone involved with an organization because of one individual's actions and, of course, the cats in their care shouldn't suffer further because of any human's misconduct. When I read about this situation, I couldn't help but wonder what sort of deplorable circumstances could lead someone who, (one would hope), was trying to help, to these dire straights. Not everyone will be able to muster compassion for the humans involved, but we all are heartsick over what the innocents suffer.NinaMia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. *I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:* ** *This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. * */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More arrived while she was there. "She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- and that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they're dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Then they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East Orange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School. Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or more vermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become so decomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had been placing dead cats in the yard since she
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I feel for the volunteers and such, but they should have been friendly enough and they should have seen all the cats going home with her to at least question a little, I mean I would have asked and wanted to see some of the kitties I bonded with and come over to play with them...also what kind of human would do such a thing to a living creature as to put so many in one room? I can see what you are tring to accomplish but I think it also should have fallen on the volunteers and contributors and of course foster parents should have inquired. All it would have taken was a quick visit or someone to ask some questions. CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am not standing up for her or what she has done please read again what I have wrote. We were actually crying when we heard on the news what she did because we did get to meet some of these amazing cats during adoption events they held. Many rescuersalong withmyself are extremely upset by this and her actions. What I was saying is that there are lots of volunteers and fosters who put in so much of their time and efforts that had nothing to do with this nor did they know and have just found out like you and me through the news and paper. They are extemely upset embarrassed by this event. Please realize the kitties along with the volunteers and foster *** who again have nothing to do with this event are the ones that will suffer. They have their own animals along with others that **are not in Marlene's care and are the ones suffering. I am not affliated with this group but do know many that arefeeling the anger from the public because of Marlene and had no idea this was going on. They are just as angry about this asyou and me. Please do notthinkI am defending her in anyway as Ifeel the same about this situation as you. I am actually upset to think that you thought I was.I am just worried about the homeless cats that are still with Kitty Kind that are not in Marlene's care and with loving fosters and volunteers and are having to deal with people not wanting to adopt them.Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves andKess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJDate: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yardE. Orange resident operates rescue agencyFriday, May 20, 2005BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISONStar-Ledger StaffOver two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as acaregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue andadoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it homeherself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death.Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like inpractice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complainingabout a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bagsin the back yard.The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor theyproduced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others
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I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them... The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another... Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her up Tad Cherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves andKess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area.I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put inall their free time to helpsome of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and bymaking it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More arrived while she was there. "She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- and that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they're dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Then they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East Orange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School. Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or more vermin-infested carcasses. In some cases, he said, the cats had become so decomposed a precise number of bodies could not be determined. Kess had been placing dead cats in the yard since
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That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them. CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More arrived while she was there. "She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- and that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they're dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Then they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East
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I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooTCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them. CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More arrived while she was there. "She claims that she
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I think the reason for jail time would be to isolate her from the animal community, she might have done more harm than good and the act of putting dead animals one after another in garbage bags is diplorable. Think about how long it takes for an animal to pass, and then consider the amount of dead animals she had, and if they all passed within a short time of each other, then the other question is what killed them all so close together. I do not think she is sane enough to be allowed to work anywhere near animals. Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids? Cherietamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooTCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them. CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside
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I don't know if she should serve jail time, but I agree that she should NOT work with animals. I think a mental health expert needs to evaluate the best course of action to treat her. JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the reason for jail time would be to isolate her from the animal community, she might have done more harm than good and the act of putting dead animals one after another in garbage bags is diplorable. Think about how long it takes for an animal to pass, and then consider the amount of dead animals she had, and if they all passed within a short time of each other, then the other question is what killed them all so close together. I do not think she is sane enough to be allowed to work anywhere near animals. Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids? Cherietamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooTCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them. CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring
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Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More arrived while she was there. "She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- and that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they're dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Then they went into the yard, which backs to a parking lot used by the East Orange Board of Education and the East Orange Community Charter School. Bierman said he counted 21 garbage bags, each containing 10 or
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Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids? Ah...no..you'll get the more emotional response from me if you leave "animals" just where it is... I love kids too, but at least they can speak up in the same language. Trust mepeople who delibertly or through ignorance hurt animals children...well, they are the lowest of the low. I DO believe she should be punished...and it never occured to me that she had done something delibertly to hasten their deaths, but fixing a problem, or trying too does more in the long run than just punishing for the acts... This woman is prob. a "collector" who got in over her head...then who do you go too? Your friends and family think you're nuts...just "get rid of them, they're ONLY animals..." but it would break your heart to do so, no one understands so you'll just do it all yourself..you'll show them I believe she needs therapy first...then it can be decided HOW to proceed...were the acts intentional...out of frustrationor the by-product of over empathy that turned into a logic reality breakdown? The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. God help us all. T __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
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Cherie, The foster and volunteers are not ignorant. I understand you are mad at this woman but don't take it out on people that did not know -some are more upset than you. What if they were led to believe these animals were adopted or healthy and ok. Remember Kess has been doing this animal rescue thing for years- You would think she would know what the right thing to do was more than anyone. How do you know they didn't think they were ok or placed in great foster homes like their own. Please try to be a little more opened minded. I believe if they even had the smallest bit of evidence from her that something was wrong someone would have done something. a lot of those volunteers are amazing kind animal lovers and would never let anything like this happen let alone turn their head like you are suggesting. They love helping animals -I know this because i know some of them. There are foster homes that are great!! not all are like the one you saw on tv. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignorance, is not an excuse the fosters and volunteers should have asked questions and inquired about the sick kitties would have been humane and kind hearted. I hope the adoption rate goes up for the shelter and Kess gets what is coming to her...I am so enraged by this, sad for the animals but angry about the woman Animals and children look to us to help, careand protect them...and as usual we have failed, and this woman is to blame. CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To everyone in this group, Please do not take my recent email as a defense to Kitty Kind or this organization. Again I am not affiliated with them and believe what her actions have createdis horrible. My previous email is to express my concernfor the cats with Kitty Kind and also the fosters and volunteers. Many of them are so upset and found out just like me and you.**Please remember some of those catsmight have beenwith them at one point and they thought Marlene was doing the right thing. I am just worried some of these cats who really need homes will not get adopted because of the bad media Marlene has given this group.Please remember that some of these cats are in foster homes and not with that woman!! I hope I have not upset anyone with this email and have shed some light on the innocent kitties, fosters and volunteers. **Please remember they have just found out and just imagine how upset they must be. MiaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia,I understand what you are saying about not judging everyone involved with an organization because of one individual's actions and, of course, the cats in their care shouldn't suffer further because of any human's misconduct. When I read about this situation, I couldn't help but wonder what sort of deplorable circumstances could lead someone who, (one would hope), was trying to help, to these dire straights. Not everyone will be able to muster compassion for the humans involved, but we all are heartsick over what the innocents suffer.NinaMia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. *I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:* ** *This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. * */[EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a
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Good thought, how about a metal health facility to be evaluated for 60 days, that is a lighter sentence and she will still feel the repercussions of her actions.Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if she should serve jail time, but I agree that she should NOT work with animals. I think a mental health expert needs to evaluate the best course of action to treat her. JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the reason for jail time would be to isolate her from the animal community, she might have done more harm than good and the act of putting dead animals one after another in garbage bags is diplorable. Think about how long it takes for an animal to pass, and then consider the amount of dead animals she had, and if they all passed within a short time of each other, then the other question is what killed them all so close together. I do not think she is sane enough to be allowed to work anywhere near animals. Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids? Cherietamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooTCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them. CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan
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I totally agree with you Tamara!! Miatamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooTCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them. CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats,
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Mia and Tad, Would you feel the same way if it were children as opposed to animals...Think about it, it is the same difference.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the 56-year-old founder and executive director of KittyKind, which operates one of New York City's few no-kill shelters -- moved to East Orange from Manhattan in July. Dozens of cats, apparently, moved with her. More arrived while she was there. "She claims that she takes in sick cats -- cats with feline leukemia -- and that she is a known rescuer who people will bring their cats to when they're dying," said Sgt. Joseph Bierman of the New Jersey Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. When those cats did die, they went into large, heavy-duty garbage bags. Then they went into the yard, which backs to a
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Mia, When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to see for ourselves, not that she was untrusted but just as, she would come and see the volunteers set ups and check on the fosters, she opened her home to us so we could do the same, and any timeThat is responsibilty.what happened with Kess was complete irresposiblity on everyones part. Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up. Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, The foster and volunteers are not ignorant. I understand you are mad at this woman but don't take it out on people that did not know -some are more upset than you. What if they were led to believe these animals were adopted or healthy and ok. Remember Kess has been doing this animal rescue thing for years- You would think she would know what the right thing to do was more than anyone. How do you know they didn't think they were ok or placed in great foster homes like their own. Please try to be a little more opened minded. I believe if they even had the smallest bit of evidence from her that something was wrong someone would have done something. a lot of those volunteers are amazing kind animal lovers and would never let anything like this happen let alone turn their head like you are suggesting. They love helping animals -I know this because i know some of them. There are foster homes that are great!! not all are like the one you saw on tv. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignorance, is not an excuse the fosters and volunteers should have asked questions and inquired about the sick kitties would have been humane and kind hearted. I hope the adoption rate goes up for the shelter and Kess gets what is coming to her...I am so enraged by this, sad for the animals but angry about the woman Animals and children look to us to help, careand protect them...and as usual we have failed, and this woman is to blame. CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To everyone in this group, Please do not take my recent email as a defense to Kitty Kind or this organization. Again I am not affiliated with them and believe what her actions have createdis horrible. My previous email is to express my concernfor the cats with Kitty Kind and also the fosters and volunteers. Many of them are so upset and found out just like me and you.**Please remember some of those catsmight have beenwith them at one point and they thought Marlene was doing the right thing. I am just worried some of these cats who really need homes will not get adopted because of the bad media Marlene has given this group.Please remember that some of these cats are in foster homes and not with that woman!! I hope I have not upset anyone with this email and have shed some light on the innocent kitties, fosters and volunteers. **Please remember they have just found out and just imagine how upset they must be. MiaNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia,I understand what you are saying about not judging everyone involved with an organization because of one individual's actions and, of course, the cats in their care shouldn't suffer further because of any human's misconduct. When I read about this situation, I couldn't help but wonder what sort of deplorable circumstances could lead someone who, (one would hope), was trying to help, to these dire straights. Not everyone will be able to muster compassion for the humans involved, but we all are heartsick over what the innocents suffer.NinaMia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. *I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it:* ** *This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many
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I do agree she should no longer work with animals. It's so unfortunate because I am pretty sure she came into this wanting to do good for animals and in the end just didn't no her limits or when to ask for help. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the reason for jail time would be to isolate her from the animal community, she might have done more harm than good and the act of putting dead animals one after another in garbage bags is diplorable. Think about how long it takes for an animal to pass, and then consider the amount of dead animals she had, and if they all passed within a short time of each other, then the other question is what killed them all so close together. I do not think she is sane enough to be allowed to work anywhere near animals. Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids? Cherietamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooTCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them. CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing
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you couldn't have said it any better!! Miatamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids? Ah...no..you'll get the more emotional response from me if you leave "animals" just where it is... I love kids too, but at least they can speak up in the same language. Trust mepeople who delibertly or through ignorance hurt animals children...well, they are the lowest of the low. I DO believe she should be punished...and it never occured to me that she had done something delibertly to hasten their deaths, but fixing a problem, or trying too does more in the long run than just punishing for the acts... This woman is prob. a "collector" who got in over her head...then who do you go too? Your friends and family think you're nuts...just "get rid of them, they're ONLY animals..." but it would break your heart to do so, no one understands so you'll just do it all yourself..you'll show them I believe she needs therapy first...then it can be decided HOW to proceed...were the acts intentional...out of frustrationor the by-product of over empathy that turned into a logic reality breakdown? The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. God help us all. T __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site!
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Well, I think that punishment is certainly not a solution, and I'm not sure without knowing her if psych help is called for. But helping her find solutions to her animal problem would help, and in general a better system of dealing with the animal problem would solve a lot of problems. It's just too easy to sweep the problem under the rug, and assume that all solutions to the animal problem are going to be Pollyanna-type happy home life solutions (which they're not). Gloria At 12:39 PM 5/24/2005, you wrote: I totally agree with you Tamara!! Mia tamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooT Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them. Cherie Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in Its the thought that counts I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However You can't save them all...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them... The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another... Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her up Tad Cherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed furry friends, If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more
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Title: Message That would be fine with me! -Original Message-From: Cherie A Gabbert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CATRESCUE-in Orange, NJ] Good thought, how about a metal health facility to be evaluated for 60 days, that is a lighter sentence and she will still feel the repercussions of her actions.Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if she should serve jail time, but I agree that she should NOT work with animals. I think a mental health expert needs to evaluate the best course of action to treat her. JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the reason for jail time would be to isolate her from the animal community, she might have done more harm than good and the act of putting dead animals one after another in garbage bags is diplorable. Think about how long it takes for an animal to pass, and then consider the amount of dead animals she had, and if they all passed within a short time of each other, then the other question is what killed them all so close together. I do not think she is sane enough to be allowed to work anywhere near animals. Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids? Cherietamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooTCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them. CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group
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Cherie, I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did. I agree with what your saying as to maybe there should have been a system to have everyone looked at. I just don't feel that all volunteers and fosters should be responsible for this woman's actions. There should have been someone in charge of making sure the numbers were not to high and that the living conditions are in good shape but how can you assume it should be everyone's job. Rescue groups and shelters struggle to get volunteers especially fosters -to assume that they should also have to check or be responsible for someone else's living conditions is insane. Please realize Kess is the President and I think founder of Kitty Kind who knows what she told these people - it is also her responsiblity to show an example. It is not a fosters or volunteers responsibilty to make sure that everything is done right by her. Yes someone should have created a system maybe that can be a thing to follow but Kess also lives no where near most of these people nor should their shared time to help animals be used to babysit Kess. We have different views to the ones who are suffering. lets just leave it at that. I am mad at Kess but I also have seen and heard volunteers and foster in pain over this and have opened my mind and tried to put myself in their situation. They might have assumed that someone was in knowledge of her conditions -how could you think these people would have just ignored this. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to see for ourselves, not that she was untrusted but just as, she would come and see the volunteers set ups and check on the fosters, she opened her home to us so we could do the same, and any timeThat is responsibilty.what happened with Kess was complete irresposiblity on everyones part. Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up. Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, The foster and volunteers are not ignorant. I understand you are mad at this woman but don't take it out on people that did not know -some are more upset than you. What if they were led to believe these animals were adopted or healthy and ok. Remember Kess has been doing this animal rescue thing for years- You would think she would know what the right thing to do was more than anyone. How do you know they didn't think they were ok or placed in great foster homes like their own. Please try to be a little more opened minded. I believe if they even had the smallest bit of evidence from her that something was wrong someone would have done something. a lot of those volunteers are amazing kind animal lovers and would never let anything like this happen let alone turn their head like you are suggesting. They love helping animals -I know this because i know some of them. There are foster homes that are great!! not all are like the one you saw on tv. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignorance, is not an excuse the fosters and volunteers should have asked questions and inquired about the sick kitties would have been humane and kind hearted. I hope the adoption rate goes up for the shelter and Kess gets what is coming to her...I am so enraged by this, sad for the animals but angry about the woman Animals and children look to us to help, careand protect them...and as usual we have failed, and this woman is to blame. CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To everyone in this group, Please do not take my recent email as a defense to Kitty Kind or this organization. Again I am not affiliated with them and believe what her actions have createdis horrible. My previous email is to express my concernfor the cats with Kitty Kind and also the fosters and volunteers. Many of them are so upset and found out just like me and you.**Please remember some of those catsmight have beenwith them at one point and they thought Marlene was doing the right thing. I am just worried some of these cats who really need homes will not get adopted because of the bad media Marlene has given this group.Please remember that some of these cats are in foster homes and not with that woman!! I hope I have not upset anyone with this email and have shed some light on the innocent kitties, fosters and volunteers. **Please remember they have just found out and just imagine how upset they must be. MiaNina [EMAIL
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We are all working towards happy home life solutions for all our furry friends. That is why I think she should not be able to come near animals and care giving. Cherie"Gloria B. Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I think that punishment is certainly not a solution, and I'm not sure without knowing her if psych help is called for. But helping her find solutions to her animal problem would help, and in general a better system of dealing with the animal problem would solve a lot of problems.It's just too easy to sweep the problem under the rug, and assume that all solutions to the animal problem are going to be Pollyanna-type happy home life solutions (which they're not).GloriaAt 12:39 PM 5/24/2005, you wrote:I totally agree with you Tamara!!Miatamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooTCherie A Gabbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them.CherieTad Burnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought thatcounts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can'tsave them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAndmost people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becousethere is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to puther in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no killshelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentanceher to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that sheenjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense thanjust locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. CherieMia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the
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Mia, We will agree to disagree on this. I feel when you take on the responsiblity to foster or volunteer, you must take responsibility for your actions and that means if you were negligent in asking questions and being informed about the others in your facility then you are also to blame for the situation. Kess shoudl have known better, true, but the others should have watched and communicated with others, Kess is the President, but that does not mean she knows all and is right in everything she does. Personally I question everyone, and my vet questions me, to make sure I am not in it over my head (mind you she thinks I need a few more). This is the way organizations should be worked and run. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did. I agree with what your saying as to maybe there should have been a system to have everyone looked at. I just don't feel that all volunteers and fosters should be responsible for this woman's actions. There should have been someone in charge of making sure the numbers were not to high and that the living conditions are in good shape but how can you assume it should be everyone's job. Rescue groups and shelters struggle to get volunteers especially fosters -to assume that they should also have to check or be responsible for someone else's living conditions is insane. Please realize Kess is the President and I think founder of Kitty Kind who knows what she told these people - it is also her responsiblity to show an example. It is not a fosters or volunteers responsibilty to make sure that everything is done right by her. Yes someone should have created a system maybe that can be a thing to follow but Kess also lives no where near most of these people nor should their shared time to help animals be used to babysit Kess. We have different views to the ones who are suffering. lets just leave it at that. I am mad at Kess but I also have seen and heard volunteers and foster in pain over this and have opened my mind and tried to put myself in their situation. They might have assumed that someone was in knowledge of her conditions -how could you think these people would have just ignored this. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to see for ourselves, not that she was untrusted but just as, she would come and see the volunteers set ups and check on the fosters, she opened her home to us so we could do the same, and any timeThat is responsibilty.what happened with Kess was complete irresposiblity on everyones part. Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up. Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, The foster and volunteers are not ignorant. I understand you are mad at this woman but don't take it out on people that did not know -some are more upset than you. What if they were led to believe these animals were adopted or healthy and ok. Remember Kess has been doing this animal rescue thing for years- You would think she would know what the right thing to do was more than anyone. How do you know they didn't think they were ok or placed in great foster homes like their own. Please try to be a little more opened minded. I believe if they even had the smallest bit of evidence from her that something was wrong someone would have done something. a lot of those volunteers are amazing kind animal lovers and would never let anything like this happen let alone turn their head like you are suggesting. They love helping animals -I know this because i know some of them. There are foster homes that are great!! not all are like the one you saw on tv. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignorance, is not an excuse the fosters and volunteers should have asked questions and inquired about the sick kitties would have been humane and kind hearted. I hope the adoption rate goes up for the shelter and Kess gets what is coming to her...I am so enraged by this, sad for the animals but angry about the woman Animals and children look to us to help, careand protect them...and as usual we have failed, and this woman is to blame. CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To everyone in this group, Please do not take my recent email as a defense to Kitty Kind or this organization. Again I am not affiliated with them and believe what her actions have createdis
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Now we just need to get our thoughts know to all.That is a big job Cherie"Doljan, Joan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That would be fine with me! -Original Message-From: Cherie A Gabbert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:39 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Please read this response!! URGENT:DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CATRESCUE-in Orange, NJ] Good thought, how about a metal health facility to be evaluated for 60 days, that is a lighter sentence and she will still feel the repercussions of her actions.Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know if she should serve jail time, but I agree that she should NOT work with animals. I think a mental health expert needs to evaluate the best course of action to treat her. JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the reason for jail time would be to isolate her from the animal community, she might have done more harm than good and the act of putting dead animals one after another in garbage bags is diplorable. Think about how long it takes for an animal to pass, and then consider the amount of dead animals she had, and if they all passed within a short time of each other, then the other question is what killed them all so close together. I do not think she is sane enough to be allowed to work anywhere near animals. Put kids in place of the animals and think about it that way, would you want her not going to jail, but instead working with other kids? Cherietamara stickler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Tad. Punishment does very little to solve the problem...helping her to find another solution...would seem more reasonable. But I'd go a step farther, she would work at the shelter, but not handle money or be a major decision maker...she needs to learn, not lead at this point. Plus, a little psycological help is prob. needed tooTCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is being to kind, she needs to be put in jail and given her just deserts, how would you feel if she had sick and healthy kids in one room, and their bodies in the back yard in bags because she could not afford creamation.animals and kids need us more than any one else, they can not defend themselves, they need our guidance and they trust us to give it to them. CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ.
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I agree.Since most of us screen adopters, I think the same should be for fosterers. I pay attention when someone says a house smells, or their cats are always sick etc. I never send anyone anywhere unless I have seen the house or facility, or someone I trust has. JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, We will agree to disagree on this. I feel when you take on the responsiblity to foster or volunteer, you must take responsibility for your actions and that means if you were negligent in asking questions and being informed about the others in your facility then you are also to blame for the situation. Kess shoudl have known better, true, but the others should have watched and communicated with others, Kess is the President, but that does not mean she knows all and is right in everything she does. Personally I question everyone, and my vet questions me, to make sure I am not in it over my head (mind you she thinks I need a few more). This is the way organizations should be worked and run. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did. I agree with what your saying as to maybe there should have been a system to have everyone looked at. I just don't feel that all volunteers and fosters should be responsible for this woman's actions. There should have been someone in charge of making sure the numbers were not to high and that the living conditions are in good shape but how can you assume it should be everyone's job. Rescue groups and shelters struggle to get volunteers especially fosters -to assume that they should also have to check or be responsible for someone else's living conditions is insane. Please realize Kess is the President and I think founder of Kitty Kind who knows what she told these people - it is also her responsiblity to show an example. It is not a fosters or volunteers responsibilty to make sure that everything is done right by her. Yes someone should have created a system maybe that can be a thing to follow but Kess also lives no where near most of these people nor should their shared time to help animals be used to babysit Kess. We have different views to the ones who are suffering. lets just leave it at that. I am mad at Kess but I also have seen and heard volunteers and foster in pain over this and have opened my mind and tried to put myself in their situation. They might have assumed that someone was in knowledge of her conditions -how could you think these people would have just ignored this. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to see for ourselves, not that she was untrusted but just as, she would come and see the volunteers set ups and check on the fosters, she opened her home to us so we could do the same, and any timeThat is responsibilty.what happened with Kess was complete irresposiblity on everyones part. Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up. Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, The foster and volunteers are not ignorant. I understand you are mad at this woman but don't take it out on people that did not know -some are more upset than you. What if they were led to believe these animals were adopted or healthy and ok. Remember Kess has been doing this animal rescue thing for years- You would think she would know what the right thing to do was more than anyone. How do you know they didn't think they were ok or placed in great foster homes like their own. Please try to be a little more opened minded. I believe if they even had the smallest bit of evidence from her that something was wrong someone would have done something. a lot of those volunteers are amazing kind animal lovers and would never let anything like this happen let alone turn their head like you are suggesting. They love helping animals -I know this because i know some of them. There are foster homes that are great!! not all are like the one you saw on tv. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignorance, is not an excuse the fosters and volunteers should have asked questions and inquired about the sick kitties would have been humane and kind hearted. I hope the adoption rate goes up for the shelter and Kess gets what is coming to her...I am so enraged by this, sad for the animals but angry about the woman Animals and children look to us to help,
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Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her... If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help... Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them... The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another... Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her up Tad Cherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible."
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I am glad I am not the only one, who looks further into these people. I have seen some deplorable places, and they did not think anything was wrong. CherieJoan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.Since most of us screen adopters, I think the same should be for fosterers. I pay attention when someone says a house smells, or their cats are always sick etc. I never send anyone anywhere unless I have seen the house or facility, or someone I trust has. JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, We will agree to disagree on this. I feel when you take on the responsiblity to foster or volunteer, you must take responsibility for your actions and that means if you were negligent in asking questions and being informed about the others in your facility then you are also to blame for the situation. Kess shoudl have known better, true, but the others should have watched and communicated with others, Kess is the President, but that does not mean she knows all and is right in everything she does. Personally I question everyone, and my vet questions me, to make sure I am not in it over my head (mind you she thinks I need a few more). This is the way organizations should be worked and run. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did. I agree with what your saying as to maybe there should have been a system to have everyone looked at. I just don't feel that all volunteers and fosters should be responsible for this woman's actions. There should have been someone in charge of making sure the numbers were not to high and that the living conditions are in good shape but how can you assume it should be everyone's job. Rescue groups and shelters struggle to get volunteers especially fosters -to assume that they should also have to check or be responsible for someone else's living conditions is insane. Please realize Kess is the President and I think founder of Kitty Kind who knows what she told these people - it is also her responsiblity to show an example. It is not a fosters or volunteers responsibilty to make sure that everything is done right by her. Yes someone should have created a system maybe that can be a thing to follow but Kess also lives no where near most of these people nor should their shared time to help animals be used to babysit Kess. We have different views to the ones who are suffering. lets just leave it at that. I am mad at Kess but I also have seen and heard volunteers and foster in pain over this and have opened my mind and tried to put myself in their situation. They might have assumed that someone was in knowledge of her conditions -how could you think these people would have just ignored this. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to see for ourselves, not that she was untrusted but just as, she would come and see the volunteers set ups and check on the fosters, she opened her home to us so we could do the same, and any timeThat is responsibilty.what happened with Kess was complete irresposiblity on everyones part. Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up. Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, The foster and volunteers are not ignorant. I understand you are mad at this woman but don't take it out on people that did not know -some are more upset than you. What if they were led to believe these animals were adopted or healthy and ok. Remember Kess has been doing this animal rescue thing for years- You would think she would know what the right thing to do was more than anyone. How do you know they didn't think they were ok or placed in great foster homes like their own. Please try to be a little more opened minded. I believe if they even had the smallest bit of evidence from her that something was wrong someone would have done something. a lot of those volunteers are amazing kind animal lovers and would never let anything like this happen let alone turn their head like you are suggesting. They love helping animals -I know this because i know some of them. There are foster homes that are great!! not all are like the one you saw on tv. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignorance, is not an excuse the fosters and volunteers should have asked questions and inquired about the sick kitties would have been humane and kind hearted. I hope the
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How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also? CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my God, it was awful," said Michael Fowler of the Associated Humane Societies, the state's largest shelter group. "The smell was horrible." Kess -- the
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I am totally with you on that Tad. I think she should not have let this happen and am so worried of all the people that volunteered their time to help the animals in this group. Alot of them are worried all their efforts will be forgotten, their names have badmouthedand are already getting horrble words said to them and spread about them. Not only are they sad and angry but also embarrassed and humiliated. People are no longer wanting to adopt from them and I feel so bad because most of the animals are in great foster homes with great people and now they are going to have such a hard time finding homes **like it wasn't hard enough.. I really think she needs to seperate the remaining animals -if not have them taken away from her. All those bags of corpses broke my heart, just writting this bring me to tears. Kess said she wanted to dispose of the humanely and in the end they got a worse disposal than ever imagined. I just wish she asked for help. I really think someone should maybe check how the funds were used. I really hope on the animals and not for her benefit. If so it just makes it 3x more harder for groups that really need it to get the help and you know how many could really use some help. Im pretty sure you like me and most rescuers out there use most of you own funds on you animals than on yourself. Thanks so much for being open minded to this situation. Its nice to no someone feels the same way I do. I was thinking maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all. I just didn't want the animals to suffer after this event and let other know out there that not all the cats were with Marlene and most were in other great foster homes with amazing people and not in situations like the one seen on tv. Thanks again, MiaTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe
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Mia, The animals already have suffered, I just want Kess to suffer also..I would do anything to help the animals, maybe not so much the volunteers and the founder but at least the animals always come first. CherieMia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am totally with you on that Tad. I think she should not have let this happen and am so worried of all the people that volunteered their time to help the animals in this group. Alot of them are worried all their efforts will be forgotten, their names have badmouthedand are already getting horrble words said to them and spread about them. Not only are they sad and angry but also embarrassed and humiliated. People are no longer wanting to adopt from them and I feel so bad because most of the animals are in great foster homes with great people and now they are going to have such a hard time finding homes **like it wasn't hard enough.. I really think she needs to seperate the remaining animals -if not have them taken away from her. All those bags of corpses broke my heart, just writting this bring me to tears. Kess said she wanted to dispose of the humanely and in the end they got a worse disposal than ever imagined. I just wish she asked for help. I really think someone should maybe check how the funds were used. I really hope on the animals and not for her benefit. If so it just makes it 3x more harder for groups that really need it to get the help and you know how many could really use some help. Im pretty sure you like me and most rescuers out there use most of you own funds on you animals than on yourself. Thanks so much for being open minded to this situation. Its nice to no someone feels the same way I do. I was thinking maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all. I just didn't want the animals to suffer after this event and let other know out there that not all the cats were with Marlene and most were in other great foster homes with amazing people and not in situations like the one seen on tv. Thanks again, MiaTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make
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Yes someone should keep aneye out for Kess but to assume that every volunteer and foster should be responsible and should have known is **insane. That's like saying if your boss or the president of you job embezeled money from the company -if we found him guilty thenshould you also go to jail whether youknew or not? That working fora company automatically makes you responsible for everyone's actions in that company.Would you think you should go to jail if your boss did and you were innocent? I think not. Again rescue groups have such a hard time finding volunteers let alone fosters these people give whatever time they have to help the animals in need -not babysit the organization!! Lets just leave it at this and agree to disagree. Just because they hung your boss- I would still never let them hang you.**I really hope some of you agree with me on this!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, We will agree to disagree on this. I feel when you take on the responsiblity to foster or volunteer, you must take responsibility for your actions and that means if you were negligent in asking questions and being informed about the others in your facility then you are also to blame for the situation. Kess shoudl have known better, true, but the others should have watched and communicated with others, Kess is the President, but that does not mean she knows all and is right in everything she does. Personally I question everyone, and my vet questions me, to make sure I am not in it over my head (mind you she thinks I need a few more). This is the way organizations should be worked and run. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did. I agree with what your saying as to maybe there should have been a system to have everyone looked at. I just don't feel that all volunteers and fosters should be responsible for this woman's actions. There should have been someone in charge of making sure the numbers were not to high and that the living conditions are in good shape but how can you assume it should be everyone's job. Rescue groups and shelters struggle to get volunteers especially fosters -to assume that they should also have to check or be responsible for someone else's living conditions is insane. Please realize Kess is the President and I think founder of Kitty Kind who knows what she told these people - it is also her responsiblity to show an example. It is not a fosters or volunteers responsibilty to make sure that everything is done right by her. Yes someone should have created a system maybe that can be a thing to follow but Kess also lives no where near most of these people nor should their shared time to help animals be used to babysit Kess. We have different views to the ones who are suffering. lets just leave it at that. I am mad at Kess but I also have seen and heard volunteers and foster in pain over this and have opened my mind and tried to put myself in their situation. They might have assumed that someone was in knowledge of her conditions -how could you think these people would have just ignored this. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to see for ourselves, not that she was untrusted but just as, she would come and see the volunteers set ups and check on the fosters, she opened her home to us so we could do the same, and any timeThat is responsibilty.what happened with Kess was complete irresposiblity on everyones part. Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up. Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, The foster and volunteers are not ignorant. I understand you are mad at this woman but don't take it out on people that did not know -some are more upset than you. What if they were led to believe these animals were adopted or healthy and ok. Remember Kess has been doing this animal rescue thing for years- You would think she would know what the right thing to do was more than anyone. How do you know they didn't think they were ok or placed in great foster homes like their own. Please try to be a little more opened minded. I believe if they even had the smallest bit of evidence from her that something was wrong someone would have done something. a lot of those volunteers are amazing kind animal lovers and would never let anything like this happen let alone turn
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But Joan The volunteers and fosters are not resposible for the animals that Kess takes home. Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.Since most of us screen adopters, I think the same should be for fosterers. I pay attention when someone says a house smells, or their cats are always sick etc. I never send anyone anywhere unless I have seen the house or facility, or someone I trust has. JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, We will agree to disagree on this. I feel when you take on the responsiblity to foster or volunteer, you must take responsibility for your actions and that means if you were negligent in asking questions and being informed about the others in your facility then you are also to blame for the situation. Kess shoudl have known better, true, but the others should have watched and communicated with others, Kess is the President, but that does not mean she knows all and is right in everything she does. Personally I question everyone, and my vet questions me, to make sure I am not in it over my head (mind you she thinks I need a few more). This is the way organizations should be worked and run. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did. I agree with what your saying as to maybe there should have been a system to have everyone looked at. I just don't feel that all volunteers and fosters should be responsible for this woman's actions. There should have been someone in charge of making sure the numbers were not to high and that the living conditions are in good shape but how can you assume it should be everyone's job. Rescue groups and shelters struggle to get volunteers especially fosters -to assume that they should also have to check or be responsible for someone else's living conditions is insane. Please realize Kess is the President and I think founder of Kitty Kind who knows what she told these people - it is also her responsiblity to show an example. It is not a fosters or volunteers responsibilty to make sure that everything is done right by her. Yes someone should have created a system maybe that can be a thing to follow but Kess also lives no where near most of these people nor should their shared time to help animals be used to babysit Kess. We have different views to the ones who are suffering. lets just leave it at that. I am mad at Kess but I also have seen and heard volunteers and foster in pain over this and have opened my mind and tried to put myself in their situation. They might have assumed that someone was in knowledge of her conditions -how could you think these people would have just ignored this. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to see for ourselves, not that she was untrusted but just as, she would come and see the volunteers set ups and check on the fosters, she opened her home to us so we could do the same, and any timeThat is responsibilty.what happened with Kess was complete irresposiblity on everyones part. Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up. Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, The foster and volunteers are not ignorant. I understand you are mad at this woman but don't take it out on people that did not know -some are more upset than you. What if they were led to believe these animals were adopted or healthy and ok. Remember Kess has been doing this animal rescue thing for years- You would think she would know what the right thing to do was more than anyone. How do you know they didn't think they were ok or placed in great foster homes like their own. Please try to be a little more opened minded. I believe if they even had the smallest bit of evidence from her that something was wrong someone would have done something. a lot of those volunteers are amazing kind animal lovers and would never let anything like this happen let alone turn their head like you are suggesting. They love helping animals -I know this because i know some of them. There are foster homes that are great!! not all are like the one you saw on tv. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ignorance, is not an excuse the fosters and volunteers should have asked questions and inquired about the sick kitties would have been humane and kind hearted. I hope the adoption rate goes up for the shelter and Kess gets what is
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Along those lines...we are not talking about a company we are talking about animals and people who CHOOSE to be there should CHOOSE to take responsibility and know all aspects and what goes on behind the scenes. The boss gets in trouble you COULD very well possibly be in trouble also, accounts get IT all the time and I am an accountant. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes someone should keep aneye out for Kess but to assume that every volunteer and foster should be responsible and should have known is **insane. That's like saying if your boss or the president of you job embezeled money from the company -if we found him guilty thenshould you also go to jail whether youknew or not? That working fora company automatically makes you responsible for everyone's actions in that company.Would you think you should go to jail if your boss did and you were innocent? I think not. Again rescue groups have such a hard time finding volunteers let alone fosters these people give whatever time they have to help the animals in need -not babysit the organization!! Lets just leave it at this and agree to disagree. Just because they hung your boss- I would still never let them hang you.**I really hope some of you agree with me on this!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, We will agree to disagree on this. I feel when you take on the responsiblity to foster or volunteer, you must take responsibility for your actions and that means if you were negligent in asking questions and being informed about the others in your facility then you are also to blame for the situation. Kess shoudl have known better, true, but the others should have watched and communicated with others, Kess is the President, but that does not mean she knows all and is right in everything she does. Personally I question everyone, and my vet questions me, to make sure I am not in it over my head (mind you she thinks I need a few more). This is the way organizations should be worked and run. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did. I agree with what your saying as to maybe there should have been a system to have everyone looked at. I just don't feel that all volunteers and fosters should be responsible for this woman's actions. There should have been someone in charge of making sure the numbers were not to high and that the living conditions are in good shape but how can you assume it should be everyone's job. Rescue groups and shelters struggle to get volunteers especially fosters -to assume that they should also have to check or be responsible for someone else's living conditions is insane. Please realize Kess is the President and I think founder of Kitty Kind who knows what she told these people - it is also her responsiblity to show an example. It is not a fosters or volunteers responsibilty to make sure that everything is done right by her. Yes someone should have created a system maybe that can be a thing to follow but Kess also lives no where near most of these people nor should their shared time to help animals be used to babysit Kess. We have different views to the ones who are suffering. lets just leave it at that. I am mad at Kess but I also have seen and heard volunteers and foster in pain over this and have opened my mind and tried to put myself in their situation. They might have assumed that someone was in knowledge of her conditions -how could you think these people would have just ignored this. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to see for ourselves, not that she was untrusted but just as, she would come and see the volunteers set ups and check on the fosters, she opened her home to us so we could do the same, and any timeThat is responsibilty.what happened with Kess was complete irresposiblity on everyones part. Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up. Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, The foster and volunteers are not ignorant. I understand you are mad at this woman but don't take it out on people that did not know -some are more upset than you. What if they were led to believe these animals were adopted or healthy and ok. Remember Kess has been doing this animal rescue thing for years- You would think she would know what the right thing to do was more than anyone. How
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frankly, I don't see that happening here - as overworked as a lot of child protective agencies are, there are too many checks and balances and places where kids are noticed - the neighbors would have called months ago f'rinstance. There are simply far more laws and societal rules in place to protect children and while there are definitely problems with the system, this society cares more about kids than animals (however little the difference may seem to be). NO, I don't think she should get away with this scot-free, but are YOU perfect? Have you never made a mis-judgment that could have snowballed? Being diligent about your animal's housing conditions is fabulous and that your vet thinks you can and should handle more is great. What if you didn't have that vet? What if you didn't have a good support network? What if you had severe emotional problems that just blew out of control in the middle of that? We as a society are so quick to say "*I* would never have let "x" happen" - and maybe most of the time that's accurate, but it isn't 100%... Our society has some serious ills and our energy would be better spent trying to alter the thinking that makes it OK to dump unwanted animals or not spay/neuter or abuse those weaker than ourselves and maybe if we all developed more compassion for all of our fellow creatures and left the judging up to the higher powers (and the law), we could start to solve the problem of so many overflowing shelters and unwanted animals... There is a huge disparity between having kids and being parents. I see it all the time where I live and I've come to the conclusion that humans should have to take parenting classes and become licensed in order to be able to procreate. It makes me nuts - former downstairs neighbor, 2 adults and 4 kids in a 2 bedroom 1 bath apt. The kids were always running around making LOTS of noise, never any supervision and when I would hear an adult voice, it would be yelling ugly things at the kids. People coming and going at all hours and then they got a puppy I would hear it whining and whining they'd had it locked in the bathroom - so neither the kids nor the puppy were getting what I would consider a good upbringing... I also had to call the police several times because of screaming throwing arguments from them... how is THAT raising those kids properly? anyhoo - big tangent here:) stepping off soap-box!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also? CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia
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He meant she needed help from the begin so it didn't esculate to this point. She should have asked for help. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also? CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they produced -- sickened animal-welfare officers and others who responded to the two-story home on State Street. "Oh my
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Again, they should ask and shouls have been aware of what Kess was doing, if animals disappear from the shelter, you would inquire if they were adopted out or if she brought them home, then later ask about their and see if she needs any help...all things I myself have done and asked.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Joan The volunteers and fosters are not resposible for the animals that Kess takes home. Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.Since most of us screen adopters, I think the same should be for fosterers. I pay attention when someone says a house smells, or their cats are always sick etc. I never send anyone anywhere unless I have seen the house or facility, or someone I trust has. JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, We will agree to disagree on this. I feel when you take on the responsiblity to foster or volunteer, you must take responsibility for your actions and that means if you were negligent in asking questions and being informed about the others in your facility then you are also to blame for the situation. Kess shoudl have known better, true, but the others should have watched and communicated with others, Kess is the President, but that does not mean she knows all and is right in everything she does. Personally I question everyone, and my vet questions me, to make sure I am not in it over my head (mind you she thinks I need a few more). This is the way organizations should be worked and run. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did. I agree with what your saying as to maybe there should have been a system to have everyone looked at. I just don't feel that all volunteers and fosters should be responsible for this woman's actions. There should have been someone in charge of making sure the numbers were not to high and that the living conditions are in good shape but how can you assume it should be everyone's job. Rescue groups and shelters struggle to get volunteers especially fosters -to assume that they should also have to check or be responsible for someone else's living conditions is insane. Please realize Kess is the President and I think founder of Kitty Kind who knows what she told these people - it is also her responsiblity to show an example. It is not a fosters or volunteers responsibilty to make sure that everything is done right by her. Yes someone should have created a system maybe that can be a thing to follow but Kess also lives no where near most of these people nor should their shared time to help animals be used to babysit Kess. We have different views to the ones who are suffering. lets just leave it at that. I am mad at Kess but I also have seen and heard volunteers and foster in pain over this and have opened my mind and tried to put myself in their situation. They might have assumed that someone was in knowledge of her conditions -how could you think these people would have just ignored this. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to see for ourselves, not that she was untrusted but just as, she would come and see the volunteers set ups and check on the fosters, she opened her home to us so we could do the same, and any timeThat is responsibilty.what happened with Kess was complete irresposiblity on everyones part. Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a while until the kitten grow up. Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, The foster and volunteers are not ignorant. I understand you are mad at this woman but don't take it out on people that did not know -some are more upset than you. What if they were led to believe these animals were adopted or healthy and ok. Remember Kess has been doing this animal rescue thing for years- You would think she would know what the right thing to do was more than anyone. How do you know they didn't think they were ok or placed in great foster homes like their own. Please try to be a little more opened minded. I believe if they even had the smallest bit of evidence from her that something was wrong someone would have done something. a lot of those volunteers are amazing kind animal lovers and would never let anything like this happen let alone turn their head like you are suggesting. They love helping animals -I know this because i know some of them. There are foster homes that are great!!
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I am nowhere near perfect, and I am on that soap box also, that family should be investigated.alot of families should be, but when one actually gets found out I think an example should be made. Kess needs to be made an example of...and laws are way too lax where animals are concerned. I also am very lucky to have all you listed to stand behind me, but I would still have my furr family even without them, I love my "kids" (of course my 5 yr old boy is first and foremost) and he is also another reason I will not expand right now, I would be taking away from him more than I am now, which is not fair by far. Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frankly, I don't see that happening here - as overworked as a lot of child protective agencies are, there are too many checks and balances and places where kids are noticed - the neighbors would have called months ago f'rinstance. There are simply far more laws and societal rules in place to protect children and while there are definitely problems with the system, this society cares more about kids than animals (however little the difference may seem to be). NO, I don't think she should get away with this scot-free, but are YOU perfect? Have you never made a mis-judgment that could have snowballed? Being diligent about your animal's housing conditions is fabulous and that your vet thinks you can and should handle more is great. What if you didn't have that vet? What if you didn't have a good support network? What if you had severe emotional problems that just blew out of control in the middle of that? We as a society are so quick to say "*I* would never have let "x" happen" - and maybe most of the time that's accurate, but it isn't 100%... Our society has some serious ills and our energy would be better spent trying to alter the thinking that makes it OK to dump unwanted animals or not spay/neuter or abuse those weaker than ourselves and maybe if we all developed more compassion for all of our fellow creatures and left the judging up to the higher powers (and the law), we could start to solve the problem of so many overflowing shelters and unwanted animals... There is a huge disparity between having kids and being parents. I see it all the time where I live and I've come to the conclusion that humans should have to take parenting classes and become licensed in order to be able to procreate. It makes me nuts - former downstairs neighbor, 2 adults and 4 kids in a 2 bedroom 1 bath apt. The kids were always running around making LOTS of noise, never any supervision and when I would hear an adult voice, it would be yelling ugly things at the kids. People coming and going at all hours and then they got a puppy I would hear it whining and whining they'd had it locked in the bathroom - so neither the kids nor the puppy were getting what I would consider a good upbringing... I also had to call the police several times because of screaming throwing arguments from them... how is THAT raising those kids properly? anyhoo - big tangent here:) stepping off soap-box!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also? CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am
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I agree, but she needs to be made an example of because what she did was WRONG.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He meant she needed help from the begin so it didn't esculate to this point. She should have asked for help. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also? CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to the woman's East Orange home by a neighbor complaining about a stench, city health inspectors found 48 cats inside the house -- 38 of them in one room -- and more than 200 dead cats stuffed into garbage bags in the back yard. The sight of so many decomposing corpses -- and the fetid odor they
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I agree...I would like to know the story behind the 200 dead animals... That makes no sense to me...But if she took in a lot of sick FeLV+... That is still a huge number to have outside and she has to be sick to let that happen..As I say there is a story behind that and I think we need to know it before we can pass judgment... Tad Cherie A Gabbert wrote: How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also? Cherie Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her... If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help... Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them... The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another... Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her up Tad Cherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy looked like in practice. Summoned to
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I agree that she made some very poor decisions, but until the authorities know exactly what is going on, and THEY know more than WE do, we just have the press, full judgment needs to be suspended until such time as deliberate cruelty is confirmed. And yes, the animal cruelty laws need to be much much stronger. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, but she needs to be made an example of because what she did was WRONG.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He meant she needed help from the begin so it didn't esculate to this point. She should have asked for help. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also? CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered
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If she would have picked up the phone and called the local animal hospital I am sure they would have taken the dead animals...unless she did not want to answer questions, and that is just another mark against her.Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree...I would like to know the story behind the 200 dead animals...That makes no sense to me...But if she took in a lot of sick FeLV+...That is still a huge number to have outside and she has to be sick to let that happen..As I say there is a story behind that and I think we needto know it before we can pass judgment...TadCherie A Gabbert wrote: How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also? CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and adoption agency, KittyKind, couldn't place a sick animal, she took it home herself, overseeing its recuperation or caring for it until its death. Yesterday, authorities discovered what Kess' philosophy
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I would say mixing that MANY sick and healthy kitties and having that many animals remains shows cruelty...she could have called someone or even left the bodies outside the animal hospital if she did not want to answer questions.Barb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree that she made some very poor decisions, but until the authorities know exactly what is going on, and THEY know more than WE do, we just have the press, full judgment needs to be suspended until such time as deliberate cruelty is confirmed. And yes, the animal cruelty laws need to be much much stronger. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree, but she needs to be made an example of because what she did was WRONG.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He meant she needed help from the begin so it didn't esculate to this point. She should have asked for help. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also? CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation
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Barb Thank you so much for that!!! Everyone makes mistakes not everyone is perfect. She did somthing extremely wrong but she did do some great things in the past that did help animals. Still this is not an excuse. miaBarb Moermond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: frankly, I don't see that happening here - as overworked as a lot of child protective agencies are, there are too many checks and balances and places where kids are noticed - the neighbors would have called months ago f'rinstance. There are simply far more laws and societal rules in place to protect children and while there are definitely problems with the system, this society cares more about kids than animals (however little the difference may seem to be). NO, I don't think she should get away with this scot-free, but are YOU perfect? Have you never made a mis-judgment that could have snowballed? Being diligent about your animal's housing conditions is fabulous and that your vet thinks you can and should handle more is great. What if you didn't have that vet? What if you didn't have a good support network? What if you had severe emotional problems that just blew out of control in the middle of that? We as a society are so quick to say "*I* would never have let "x" happen" - and maybe most of the time that's accurate, but it isn't 100%... Our society has some serious ills and our energy would be better spent trying to alter the thinking that makes it OK to dump unwanted animals or not spay/neuter or abuse those weaker than ourselves and maybe if we all developed more compassion for all of our fellow creatures and left the judging up to the higher powers (and the law), we could start to solve the problem of so many overflowing shelters and unwanted animals... There is a huge disparity between having kids and being parents. I see it all the time where I live and I've come to the conclusion that humans should have to take parenting classes and become licensed in order to be able to procreate. It makes me nuts - former downstairs neighbor, 2 adults and 4 kids in a 2 bedroom 1 bath apt. The kids were always running around making LOTS of noise, never any supervision and when I would hear an adult voice, it would be yelling ugly things at the kids. People coming and going at all hours and then they got a puppy I would hear it whining and whining they'd had it locked in the bathroom - so neither the kids nor the puppy were getting what I would consider a good upbringing... I also had to call the police several times because of screaming throwing arguments from them... how is THAT raising those kids properly? anyhoo - big tangent here:) stepping off soap-box!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also? CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh,
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Ithe volunteers and fosters come when they have the time most dont get the chance to meet all the animals, most of them were not aware of how many animals were in her care. They work full-time and try to spend the free time they have when they are not with their familyshelping these animals. Now realize they have their own plus the own at the off-site event and a ton everyday being dropped off by unresponsible owners or people with strays. Now Marlene lives in New Jersey a different state mind you and some have not even met her. They try to devote their time to the animals not chasing this woman down. I understand someone should watch over he organization but that should be done within the higher ups in the organization or better yet an outside source making sure everything is done right. I agree with you on this butnot peoplethe who try to give the extra hour or 2 they have in the week helping a few animals try to find a good home. Its one thing to inquire and ask questions its another to be led to believe something else. Volunteering is a gift to these rescue groups by extradinary people-it is not their fulltime job. Try to take it easy on some of them.Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, they should ask and shouls have been aware of what Kess was doing, if animals disappear from the shelter, you would inquire if they were adopted out or if she brought them home, then later ask about their and see if she needs any help...all things I myself have done and asked.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But Joan The volunteers and fosters are not resposible for the animals that Kess takes home. Joan Doljan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree.Since most of us screen adopters, I think the same should be for fosterers. I pay attention when someone says a house smells, or their cats are always sick etc. I never send anyone anywhere unless I have seen the house or facility, or someone I trust has. JoanCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, We will agree to disagree on this. I feel when you take on the responsiblity to foster or volunteer, you must take responsibility for your actions and that means if you were negligent in asking questions and being informed about the others in your facility then you are also to blame for the situation. Kess shoudl have known better, true, but the others should have watched and communicated with others, Kess is the President, but that does not mean she knows all and is right in everything she does. Personally I question everyone, and my vet questions me, to make sure I am not in it over my head (mind you she thinks I need a few more). This is the way organizations should be worked and run. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did. I agree with what your saying as to maybe there should have been a system to have everyone looked at. I just don't feel that all volunteers and fosters should be responsible for this woman's actions. There should have been someone in charge of making sure the numbers were not to high and that the living conditions are in good shape but how can you assume it should be everyone's job. Rescue groups and shelters struggle to get volunteers especially fosters -to assume that they should also have to check or be responsible for someone else's living conditions is insane. Please realize Kess is the President and I think founder of Kitty Kind who knows what she told these people - it is also her responsiblity to show an example. It is not a fosters or volunteers responsibilty to make sure that everything is done right by her. Yes someone should have created a system maybe that can be a thing to follow but Kess also lives no where near most of these people nor should their shared time to help animals be used to babysit Kess. We have different views to the ones who are suffering. lets just leave it at that. I am mad at Kess but I also have seen and heard volunteers and foster in pain over this and have opened my mind and tried to put myself in their situation. They might have assumed that someone was in knowledge of her conditions -how could you think these people would have just ignored this. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to see for ourselves, not that she was untrusted but just as, she would come and see the volunteers set ups and check on the fosters, she opened her home to us so we could do the same, and any timeThat is responsibilty.what happened with Kess was complete irresposiblity on everyones part. Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need
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The local animal hospital wouldn't have taken the animals -not 200 maybe 1 or 2 but would have charged her. She just shouldn't have let it happen at all.Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If she would have picked up the phone and called the local animal hospital I am sure they would have taken the dead animals...unless she did not want to answer questions, and that is just another mark against her.Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree...I would like to know the story behind the 200 dead animals...That makes no sense to me...But if she took in a lot of sick FeLV+...That is still a huge number to have outside and she has to be sick to let that happen..As I say there is a story behind that and I think we needto know it before we can pass judgment...TadCherie A Gabbert wrote: How about 200 decaying kids in the back yard, would you say help that person out also? CherieTad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mia She has a problem no doubt..to keep 200 decaying bodies outside where its bound to attract the neighbors...I have 27 un adaptable and I worry about the old litter that I bury in my back yard... But she has apparently saved many cats over the years and I think it would be much more to the rescue effort to help her out and save the good name of the people that have worked with her...If it turns out that she was putting aside for her own enjoyment a lot of donations than thetas a different story but if she has just lost touch with reality which can easily be done in this rescue fight than I say give her a break and some help...Tad Mia Nicer wrote: Thank you Tad. I don't agree with what she let happen. It's a horrible situation butmaybe we should have some sympathy for those that were not involved and most hurt because of this. We just have to make sure this doesn't happen with anyone else. Tad Burnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am going to agree with Mia...If you believe in "Its the thought that counts" I believe the woman wanted to save the cats...However "You can't save them all"...Some people have a hard time understanding thisAnd most people don't have any idea how many cats are PTS every day becouse there is no body to care for them...The woman does need some help...guidance of one sort or another...Instead of spending the thousands of dollars that it would cost to put her in jail maybe we could use her knowledge to run a large no kill shelter with some funding to pay for disposal and food etc and sentance her to stay there an put in a days work..If it should turn out that she enjoys that work than so be it but doesn't that make more sense than just locking her upTadCherie A Gabbert wrote: That is no excuse...I am appauld that anyone would stand up for this individual, she deserves the same treatment she has giving her supposed "furry friends", If she treats her friends this way I would hate to be her enemy. I am utterly speechless that anyone would stand up for her and her organization, I say the volunteers should open a shelter themselves and Kess should go to jail. KittyKind Ha that is a laugh, like the roach motel they check in and never check out...I am sick over this I would like to meet her in a dark alley. Sorry...usually I am more gentle that this...I am just so shocked and disgusted. Cherie Mia Nicer wrote: Hi everyone!! My name is Mia and I am a fellow rescuer in the New York, New Jersey and Conn. area. I am not making an excuse for Marlene from Kitty Kind nor am I happy with the situation in which she has put the Kitty Kind organization but, I do know about and I am very familiar with this rescue group since it is in my area. I am not apart of this organization but please listen to what I have to say about it: This situation is extremely horrible and very unfortunate but in the end it will be this rescue group and the kitties that suffer. Please do not make it any harder for these cats to get adopted. This group has lots of volunteers and fosters who put in all their free time to help some of these and their own cats and have nothing to do with this situation nor did they know anything about it. I believe that the overflow is what led Marlene to this situation, again I am not making an excuse for anyone but please do not punish the many volunteers, fosters and kitties for this. There are so many kitties in need of a home and by making it harder for them to get their cats adopted out doesn't help anyone. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DNA - Marlene Kess Kitty Kind Rescue, East Orange, NJ. Hundreds of dead cats found in yard. Original Message Subject: DO NOT USE-KittyKind -CAT RESCUE-in Orange, NJ Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 12:19:35 -0400 Hundreds of dead cats found in woman's yard E. Orange resident operates rescue agency Friday, May 20, 2005 BY BRIAN T. MURRAY AND KASI ADDISON Star-Ledger Staff Over two decades, Marlene Kess built a reputation in Manhattan as a caregiver of last resort for homeless and dying cats. If her rescue and
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Absolutely not, but we are not talking about a company, we are talking about animal welfare, and the people closely involved.Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but do you feel that everyone in that company lets say 500 should be resposible and know what each other is doing. I agree there should be someone to keep an eye out on Kess and the organization but that would be best left to an outside organization or resource. Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Along those lines...we are not talking about a company we are talking about animals and people who CHOOSE to be there should CHOOSE to take responsibility and know all aspects and what goes on behind the scenes. The boss gets in trouble you COULD very well possibly be in trouble also, accounts get IT all the time and I am an accountant. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes someone should keep aneye out for Kess but to assume that every volunteer and foster should be responsible and should have known is **insane. That's like saying if your boss or the president of you job embezeled money from the company -if we found him guilty thenshould you also go to jail whether youknew or not? That working fora company automatically makes you responsible for everyone's actions in that company.Would you think you should go to jail if your boss did and you were innocent? I think not. Again rescue groups have such a hard time finding volunteers let alone fosters these people give whatever time they have to help the animals in need -not babysit the organization!! Lets just leave it at this and agree to disagree. Just because they hung your boss- I would still never let them hang you.**I really hope some of you agree with me on this!!Cherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, We will agree to disagree on this. I feel when you take on the responsiblity to foster or volunteer, you must take responsibility for your actions and that means if you were negligent in asking questions and being informed about the others in your facility then you are also to blame for the situation. Kess shoudl have known better, true, but the others should have watched and communicated with others, Kess is the President, but that does not mean she knows all and is right in everything she does. Personally I question everyone, and my vet questions me, to make sure I am not in it over my head (mind you she thinks I need a few more). This is the way organizations should be worked and run. Cherie Mia Nicer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cherie, I don't agree with what happened as I have said more than a few time with what Kess did. I agree with what your saying as to maybe there should have been a system to have everyone looked at. I just don't feel that all volunteers and fosters should be responsible for this woman's actions. There should have been someone in charge of making sure the numbers were not to high and that the living conditions are in good shape but how can you assume it should be everyone's job. Rescue groups and shelters struggle to get volunteers especially fosters -to assume that they should also have to check or be responsible for someone else's living conditions is insane. Please realize Kess is the President and I think founder of Kitty Kind who knows what she told these people - it is also her responsiblity to show an example. It is not a fosters or volunteers responsibilty to make sure that everything is done right by her. Yes someone should have created a system maybe that can be a thing to follow but Kess also lives no where near most of these people nor should their shared time to help animals be used to babysit Kess. We have different views to the ones who are suffering. lets just leave it at that. I am mad at Kess but I also have seen and heard volunteers and foster in pain over this and have opened my mind and tried to put myself in their situation. They might have assumed that someone was in knowledge of her conditions -how could you think these people would have just ignored this. MiaCherie A Gabbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mia, When I have volunteered and fostered in the past I would go to other fosters homes and volunteers just to stop by and say hi, or visit the furr kids that I had cared for, the director would often be questioned by myself and others as to her population stand point and she would have us over to see for ourselves, not that she was untrusted but just as, she would come and see the volunteers set ups and check on the fosters, she opened her home to us so we could do the same, and any timeThat is responsibilty.what happened with Kess was complete irresposiblity on everyones part. Has anyone checked on your house, before you got started, so they new you were able to care for animals if need beI bet they did and if they did not then shame on them I still have my vet come to my house and she is encouraging me to take more on, because of my house size and my views, but I KNOW when to stop, at least for a