Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[Peggy Rankin]

Kerry, I am sorry for your loss, Flavia is better now and missing you just as much.
Much love and prayers
peggyKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear allMy sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (shehad seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemedto be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrivedin December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has alsobeen urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, afirst. I thought it was probably Flavia.So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to thevet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory ratehad increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at
 all last night(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air tocatch the "bug"--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get achance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, andjust had to set a schedule.)I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was reallylovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was awonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--dotell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated myrelationship with Higgins after all...I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still hereand able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting forbreath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no
 one hereapart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (Idid not want to hospitalize her.)I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit ofa mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed moretears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a featherfor a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, ofcourse, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the pastfew days.Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'llbe in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.Kerry- Original Message -From:
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AMSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immunesystem and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. Thereis much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com,or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature ofAnimal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of thesame virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to providethem with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support
 and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due toemotional challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogensthat their immune system cannot withstand. Other cats are really more of athreat to the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa. I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 whoturned out to be FeLV+. The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to another causes significant immune suppression, but little else. It isthrough recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers andFeLV-A+C that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. In the worsecase scenario it is possible for both
 subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C. Atpresent the mechanism which prompts such mutations is not known. This explainswhy some cats live for years, even with the virus in their bone marrow, while others crash and succumb early on. Have you found out there is a similar progression for cats who are FIV+? In general, they seem to have a betterprognosis for long-term survival than do FeLV+ cats and I have always wondered ifthere is any research 

RE: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[Sue Feldbusch]

I am sorry for your loss.


From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 12:35:19 -0500

Dear all
My sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.
It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (she
had seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and 
seemed

to be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someone
had vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrived
in December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has also
been urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, a
first. I thought it was probably Flavia.
So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to the
vet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory rate
had increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,
from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.
I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all last 
night

(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air to
catch the bug--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had the
energy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get 
a

chance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR would
have probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, and
just had to set a schedule.)
I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was really
lovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was a
wonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, 
Belinda--do

tell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated my
relationship with Higgins after all...
I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still here
and able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting for
breath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one 
here
apart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. 
(I

did not want to hospitalize her.)
I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit 
of

a mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed more
tears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,
elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her underside
and a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a 
feather

for a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, of
course, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the past
few days.
Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touch
again today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and 
I'll

be in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.
Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.
Kerry





- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L.


 Dear Michelle L.:

 There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised 
cat
 who is FIV+ or FeLV+.  Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the 
immune

system
 and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system.  There
is
 much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website 
Holisticat.com,

or I
 would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature of
Animal
 Healing.

 Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, 
but

 more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of the
same
 virus.  The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to 
provide

them with
 the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support and protect them 
from

 exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due to
emotional
 challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogens
that
 their immune system cannot withstand.  Other cats are really more of a
threat to
 the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa.

 I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in
 '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 who
turned out to
 be FeLV+.  The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one 
to

 another causes significant immune suppression, but little else.  It is
through
 recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent 
subgroups
 occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers 
and

FeLV-A+C
 that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia.  In the worse
case
 scenario it is possible for both subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C.  At
present
 the mechanism which prompts such mutations is not known.  This explains
why
 some cats live for years, even with the virus in their bone marrow, 
while
 others crash and succumb early on.  Have you found 

Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[felv]

Kerry, I'm so sorry to hear that you lost Flavia. 
May she find peace wherever her journey takes her.
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Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[Joan Doljan]

Kerry,

I am so sorry. I know how much you cared for her and she sensed she could make you understand that it was time for her to leave. I know she is in a better place, not suffering, but missing you as well.

Joan


Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear allMy sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (shehad seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemedto be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrivedin December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has alsobeen urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, afirst. I thought it was probably Flavia.So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to thevet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory ratehad increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at
 all last night(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air tocatch the "bug"--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get achance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, andjust had to set a schedule.)I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was reallylovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was awonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--dotell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated myrelationship with Higgins after all...I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still hereand able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting forbreath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no
 one hereapart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (Idid not want to hospitalize her.)I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit ofa mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed moretears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a featherfor a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, ofcourse, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the pastfew days.Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'llbe in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.Kerry- Original Message -From:
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AMSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immunesystem and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. Thereis much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com,or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature ofAnimal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of thesame virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to providethem with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support
 and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due toemotional challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogensthat their immune system cannot withstand. Other cats are really more of athreat to the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa. I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 whoturned out to be FeLV+. The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to another causes significant immune suppression, but little else. It isthrough recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers andFeLV-A+C that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. In the worsecase scenario it is possible for both
 subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C. Atpresent the mechanism which prompts such mutations is not known. This explainswhy some cats live for years, even with the virus in their bone marrow, while others crash and succumb early on. Have you found out there is a similar progression for cats who are FIV+? In general, they seem to have a 

Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[TenHouseCats]

oh, kerry, i'm so sorry! i haven't been posting much, but have been
following everyone's story, and holding all in light

i'm so glad you were able to hear her, and to be with her when she went on. 

GLOW to light her way, and for you to heal...

-- 
MaryChristine

AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats
MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
ICQ: 289856892

Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[Kat]

Kerry,
I'm so sorry Flavia is gone -
I'm glad you were able to spend the last night with her, and that you were
still here and the one who she told when she was ready, but it's so very
hard to let them go - even knowing they will be made whole again, waiting
for us at the Rainbow Bridge.  Please know that she wanted you to know
this and to be at peace with this before you went away so you wouldn't be
worrying about her.  My thoughts and prayers are with you at this sad
time.
Kat (Mew Jersey)

On Wed, 6 Jul 2005, Kerry MacKenzie wrote:

 Dear all
 My sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.

Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[TatorBunz]

Kerry,
 I'm so sorry to hear about your precious "Flavia" you did what any of us would have done to help our babies. She is now at the bridge healthy and running with the others.
I might not have posted much but I do read the postings and felt she was right next door to me.
You are in my thoughts and prayers

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RE: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[Hideyo Yamamoto]

,
NOOO
, Kerry, please tell me it's not true!!  Kerry, I am
sorry, but I can't deal with the fact that Flavia is gone, Kerry. 
I am so sad and can't barely think right now - oh my
gosh..
I am so sorry, I am supposed to be comforting you, but I have been
attached to her so much through you, and can't accept the fact that she
is gone, Kerry.
I am just mess right now, Kerry and I am sorry for not being strong for
you - I just want to cry with you.

I wish I were right there to comfort you, I wish I could hold Flavia in
my arm, Kerry.  What a sweet girl she has been and she is - she probably
wanted to say good bye to you before you left - 

Kerry, may I have her picture?  I would like to keep it as a memory of
the most precious baby of yours and mine - 
Kerry, don't be too sad, I know Flavia's soul is right there with you,
she can probably now travel with you, too.
I just love her so much through you, Kerry - and I miss her so terribly
-

Love forever for Flavia,

Hideyo



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry
MacKenzie
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:35 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

Dear all
My sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.
It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am
(she
had seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and
seemed
to be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than
someone
had vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all
arrived
in December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has
also
been urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, a
first. I thought it was probably Flavia.
So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to
the
vet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory
rate
had increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,
from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.
I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all last
night
(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air to
catch the bug--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had the
energy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't
get a
chance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR
would
have probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, and
just had to set a schedule.)
I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was really
lovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was a
wonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins,
Belinda--do
tell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated my
relationship with Higgins after all...
I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still
here
and able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting
for
breath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no one
here
apart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could
accept. (I
did not want to hospitalize her.)
I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a
bit of
a mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed
more
tears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,
elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her
underside
and a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a
feather
for a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And,
of
course, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the
past
few days.
Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in
touch
again today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and
I'll
be in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.
Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.
Kerry





- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L.


 Dear Michelle L.:

 There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised
cat
 who is FIV+ or FeLV+.  Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the
immune
system
 and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system.
There
is
 much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website
Holisticat.com,
or I
 would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature of
Animal
 Healing.

 Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related,
but
 more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of the
same
 virus.  The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to
provide
them with
 the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support and protect them
from
 exposure as best we can to undue stress to their 

Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[Cherie A Gabbert]

Kerry,
I feel for your loss, I am sorry and I hope you will recover for Flavia. She is watching and missing you from the Bridge. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
Cherie
Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear allMy sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (shehad seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemedto be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrivedin December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has alsobeen urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, afirst. I thought it was probably Flavia.So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to thevet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory ratehad increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at
 all last night(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air tocatch the "bug"--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get achance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, andjust had to set a schedule.)I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was reallylovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was awonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--dotell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated myrelationship with Higgins after all...I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still hereand able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting forbreath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no
 one hereapart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (Idid not want to hospitalize her.)I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit ofa mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed moretears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a featherfor a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, ofcourse, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the pastfew days.Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'llbe in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.Kerry- Original Message -From:
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AMSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immunesystem and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. Thereis much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com,or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature ofAnimal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of thesame virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to providethem with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support
 and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due toemotional challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogensthat their immune system cannot withstand. Other cats are really more of athreat to the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa. I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 whoturned out to be FeLV+. The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to another causes significant immune suppression, but little else. It isthrough recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers andFeLV-A+C that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. In the worsecase scenario it is possible for both
 subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C. Atpresent the mechanism which prompts such mutations is not known. This explainswhy some cats live for years, even with the virus in their bone marrow, while others crash and succumb early on. Have you found out there is a similar progression for cats who are FIV+? In general, they seem to have a betterprognosis for long-term survival than do 

Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[Barb Moermond]

Oh Kerry, I'm so sorry it was her time, but it sounds like she had a peaceful passing and was able to be with you. Our thoughts and tears are with you..
HUGSKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear allMy sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (shehad seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemedto be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrivedin December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has alsobeen urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, afirst. I thought it was probably Flavia.So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to thevet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory ratehad increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at
 all last night(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air tocatch the "bug"--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get achance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, andjust had to set a schedule.)I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was reallylovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was awonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--dotell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated myrelationship with Higgins after all...I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still hereand able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting forbreath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no
 one hereapart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (Idid not want to hospitalize her.)I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit ofa mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed moretears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a featherfor a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, ofcourse, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the pastfew days.Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'llbe in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.Kerry- Original Message -From:
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AMSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immunesystem and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. Thereis much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com,or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature ofAnimal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of thesame virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to providethem with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support
 and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due toemotional challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogensthat their immune system cannot withstand. Other cats are really more of athreat to the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa. I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 whoturned out to be FeLV+. The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to another causes significant immune suppression, but little else. It isthrough recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers andFeLV-A+C that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. In the worsecase scenario it is possible for both
 subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C. Atpresent the mechanism which prompts such mutations is not known. This explainswhy some cats live for years, even with the virus in their bone marrow, while others crash and succumb early on. Have you found out there is a similar progression for cats who are FIV+? In general, they seem to have a betterprognosis for long-term survival than do FeLV+ cats and I 

Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[Nina]

Aw Kerry, I'm so truly sorry.  I'm crying as I write this.  It's just so 
heartbreaking.  I'm glad she was able to trust you and had such lovely 
moments being stroked and comforted by you.  I wish it could have 
happened sooner, but it's no less wonderful that it happened, even for 
such a short time.  In a way, it's not a bad thing that the IR hadn't 
arrived.  The outcome may have been the same and then you would have 
been blaming yourself for trying it.  Sweet, beautiful, little girl, she 
knew better than us, her timing will at least put your mind at ease 
during your trip.  You know what I mean, you don't have to worry about 
her being without you now.  Please know that you are not alone in 
mourning your sweet Flavia.  I had such high hopes for her being the one 
to help the others see how wonderful it is to trust. 
I'm sending you and your other babies love and comfort,

Nina

Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[Nina]

Kerry,
I feel the same way as Hideyo.  Do you have a picture of her to send to 
Belinda for the CLS page?  I too would love to see the little girl we 
all fell in love with through you.

Nina

Hideyo Yamamoto wrote:


,
NOO

Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[Stephanie E Caldwell]

I'm so sorry Kerry...

My thoughts are with you
Steph

Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[jenmeyer]

Oh, Kerry...I am so sorry...please know that you and Flavia are in my
thoughts.  I bet there's a shiney new angel at the bridge telling the
other fur-angels all about her wonderful Mum here on Earth!  Keep your
heart open 'cause I bet Flavia will be sending you a sign that she's
okay...although my signs usually manifest themselves in a pair of sad
little eyes that suddenly show up on my doorstep... ;)  My little angels
must have joined some kind of Cat Consulting Club as I always get a
sense that *somebody* has whispered into the ear of our newcomers just
which doorstep they need to show up on!  :)

Take care of yourself,

Jen


But if you tame me, then we shall need each other. To me, you will be
unique in all the world. To you, I shall be unique in all the world; You
become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed... --Antoine de
Saint-Exupéry

If you talk to the animals they will talk with you and you will know
each other.  If you do not talk to them you will not know them, and what
you do not know you will fear. What one fears one destroys. --Chief Dan
George

- Original Message -
From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2005 12:35 pm
Subject: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

 Dear all
 My sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.
 It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 
 9.30am (she
 had seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, 
 and seemed
 to be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than 
 someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since 
 they all arrived
 in December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else 
 has also
 been urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--
 again, a
 first. I thought it was probably Flavia.
 So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately 
 to the
 vet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her 
 respiratory rate
 had increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted 
 to 10,
 from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.
 I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at all 
 last night
 (she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the 
 air to
 catch the bug--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had 
 theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we 
 didn't get a
 chance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR 
 wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet 
 set up, and
 just had to set a schedule.)
 I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was really
 lovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was a
 wonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, 
 Belinda--do
 tell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated my
 relationship with Higgins after all...
 I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was 
 still here
 and able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her 
 fighting for
 breath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no 
 one here
 apart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could 
 accept. (I
 did not want to hospitalize her.)
 I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been 
 a bit of
 a mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and 
 shed more
 tears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,
 elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her 
 undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked 
 her with a feather
 for a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. 
 And, of
 course, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over 
 the past
 few days.
 Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in 
 touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick 
 kitties, and I'll
 be in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.
 Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.
 Kerry
 
 
 
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AM
 Subject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L.
 
 
  Dear Michelle L.:
 
  There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-
 compromised cat
  who is FIV+ or FeLV+.  Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to 
 the immune
 system
  and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. 
 There
 is
  much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website 
 Holisticat.com,or I
  would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The 
 Nature of
 Animal
  Healing.
 
  Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are 
 related, but
  more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains 
 of the
 same
  virus.  The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to 
 providethem with
  the healthiest possible 

Re: Please add Flavia to CLS Belinda

[catatonya]

Oh Kerry,

I am SO sorry! I can't believe she went downhill so quickly. I know you must just be in shock. I know I am. I'm glad that if this was going to happen it was now while you were with her. And it does sound like she wanted that too. I am so terribly sorry. Maybe being away for a while will be a good thing for you now. She is at peace and maybe the loss will be easier for you to get through being away from home for a bit.

Take care of yourself and have a safe trip.
tonyaKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear allMy sweet, gorgeous little girl Flavia is gone.It all happened so quickly. When I went in to check on her at 9.30am (shehad seemed fine at 6am and later), she was hiding in the carrier, and seemedto be breathing more rapidly than the others. I also noticed than someonehad vomited--a first, if my memory serves me right, since they all arrivedin December 2003. I figured it was probably Flavia. Someone else has alsobeen urinating a little over the past few days out of the box--again, afirst. I thought it was probably Flavia.So, seeing her fast breathing, I panicked, and took her immediately to thevet I saw yesterday, Dr Teuber, and she confirmed that her respiratory ratehad increased since yesterday. We ran a PCV, and it had plummeted to 10,from 16 1/2 at 4pm yesterday.I actually think Flavia was ready. She didn't want to play at
 all last night(she hasn't been able to play the way she used to--leaping in the air tocatch the "bug"--for a few weeks, presumably because she hasn't had theenergy). Her quality of life was going downhill. It's a pity we didn't get achance to use the IR, which I had had fedexed to 2 clinics. (Her IR wouldhave probably begun later this week--I had the housecall vet set up, andjust had to set a schedule.)I was/am a mess, but Flavia and I had a long cuddle, which was reallylovely, and helped a lot, for which I am very grateful. The vet was awonderful woman, who I only met yesterday (Dr Teuber at Higgins, Belinda--dotell your Chicago friend.). Looks like I may not have terminated myrelationship with Higgins after all...I am grateful that Flavia gave me the signs today, while I was still hereand able to help her.act on it immediately. The thought of her fighting forbreath for hours, or suffering in any way, while I was gone, and no
 one hereapart from the petsitter 30 mins a day, was not something I could accept. (Idid not want to hospitalize her.)I'm going to miss her terribly. I loved that little soul. I've been a bit ofa mess over the thought of losing her for the last 2 weeks, and shed moretears than I thought humanly possible. She was a tabby, very feminine,elfin-faced, with streaks of auburn and coffee and cream on her undersideand a long, beautiful, elegant tail. Last night I stroked her with a featherfor a long time and she really enjoyed it--stretching luxuriously. And, ofcourse, she became much more willing to be stroked and held over the pastfew days.Thanks to everyone for their prayers and good wishes. If I'm not in touchagain today, I send lots of healing vibes for all the sick kitties, and I'llbe in touch again the weekend of the 23rd.Goodbye, my gorgeous Flavia.Kerry- Original Message -From:
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 10:52 AMSubject: Re: Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 3...for Michelle L. Dear Michelle L.: There is no point (and much risk) in vaccinating an immune-compromised cat who is FIV+ or FeLV+. Vaccinations are an assault of sorts to the immunesystem and can be detrimental to even a cat with a normal immune system. Thereis much good info about the risks of vaccines on the website Holisticat.com,or I would recommend highly the book by Dr. Martin Goldstein, The Nature ofAnimal Healing. Some vets do still believe that the FIV and FeLV viruses are related, but more recent research tends to show they are not just substrains of thesame virus. The best that we can do for immune-compromised cats is to providethem with the healthiest possible diet, provide immune support
 and protect them from exposure as best we can to undue stress to their immune system due toemotional challenges, enviromental toxins or other cats that may carry pathogensthat their immune system cannot withstand. Other cats are really more of athreat to the FIV+ or FeLV+ cat than vice versa. I have not done much research on FIV, but got a crash course on FeLV in '03-04 with two unrelated kittens I rescued in Oct. and Nov. '02 whoturned out to be FeLV+. The strain of FeLV virus (call it FeLV-A) that cats pass one to another causes significant immune suppression, but little else. It isthrough recombining with a cat's DNA and mutating that the more virulent subgroups occur, the FeLV-A+B that is associated with lymphoma or other cancers andFeLV-A+C that is associated with nonregenerative anemia/leukemia. In the worsecase scenario it is possible for both
 subgroups to develop to FeLV-A+B+C. Atpresent the mechanism which