RE: spooked about vaccinations

2008-02-08 Thread Caroline Kaufmann

Marie:
There's lost of info out there now about over-vaccination, so it's something to 
look into.  You can google that term as it is related to cats and you will find 
a ton of info.  If the cat is healthy, then "generally" vaccinations are safe.  
However, it's important to realize that a vaccination triggers an immune 
response in the body.  In a cat with a defective immune system due to Felv, 
this can definitely cause additional problems.  Vaccines are stressful even for 
a healthy cat and many people are getting away from doing them.  The frequent 
"adverse reactions" that a completely healthy cat will have to a Rabies and/or 
an FVRCP shot I believe is evidence of the fact that they are stressful to the 
cat's body and immune system.
 
A lot of vets- with homeopathic/holistic mostly leading the charge, but 
conventional vets are doing it now too- now recommend running "titers" to 
detect any antibodies in the blood first before doing any vaccs.  If there are 
antibodies present in the blood already, there really isn't a need for that 
vacc.  I recommend asking your vet merely to check for titers first before 
considering any additional vaccs.
 
As to the Rabies shot, there is new evidence out there now that appears to 
demonstrate that one Rabies shot should be sufficient, especially for an indoor 
cat, for the lenght of the cat's life.  Another thing to google is the 
incidence of rabies in felines in your areaI bet you it's non-existent.  
Because rabies is not the problem it used to be and one shot appears to protect 
a cat for life, a lot of people are moving away from having rabies done again.  
There is a waiver form your vet can fill out and you submit that allows you to 
get out of having a rabies done.  My holistic vet has mentioned doing this many 
times.  I personally haven't done this yet, but I know a lot of people on the 
FIP support group who are doing this now.  Many of them feel that vaccines are 
one of the triggers for a cat who mutates the coronavirus into FIP.  Many of 
them had perfectly healthy cats until just after first shots and/or boosters 
were done, so they are on the cutting edge of the anti-vaccine movement 
currently and most of the information I am passing on to you I have gotten from 
them and also my holistic vet.  Since I feel that Brumley most likely had FIP, 
I also wonder if the vaccs he was given when already stressed from being at 
Animal Control as a baby, not being nursed long enough, if at all, being 
neutered immediately at 2 lbs, suffering from reoccurring URIs and being 
vaccinated on top of all that, could definitely have been the trigger for that 
poor little guy's body inappropriate mutation of the coronavirus into FIP.  So 
I am myself taking a serious look at the vaccine issue and plan to go the titer 
route when it comes to my cats needed boosters, etc.
 
I will try to get more direct info from the FIP group (website links with info, 
etc.) and pass it on to this site.  
 
caroline 


Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 14:36:44 -0800From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: spooked about 
vaccinationsTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Hello,
 
I haven't been posting in a while. A year ago, I had a cat who died within 
several weeks of being dx with feline leukemia. Other than ocassionally 
sneezing, Cakooie seemed like a healthy kitty. He was my first cat, so there 
was a lot i didn't know about feline dieases. But he ate well and was playful. 
Then three weeks after he had his vaccinations, he went down quickly. 
 
His sister, Chica, has tested negative twice within 90 days. I think she will 
be okay. It's time to have her vaccinations again, and I'm just scared because 
of what happened to my other cat. I know the vaccinations didn't cause him to 
get leukemia. I think they did make him worse. He was vaccinated for rabies and 
distemper. 
 
Chica is an indoor cat, so I don't know what vaccinations she really needs. 
Rabies is required. She probably should get a booster for distemper. 
 
Do you think after two negative tests and a good checkup that it is safe to 
assume she's felv free? Are vaccinations generally safe? 
 
Thanks for your input. 
 
Marie


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Re: spooked about vaccinations

2008-02-08 Thread Lynne
Marie, this is all new to me, but according to my vet, cats with feline 
leukemia do not get the same vaccinations as healthy cats, so it may very well 
have been what hastened your cat's demise.  I'm not even going to have him 
vaccinated for anything at this point.  

Personally if an animal is strictly an indoor cat, I'm not sure they're all 
that necessary, but in your case, I would hold off for a longer time.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: MarieG 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 5:36 PM
  Subject: spooked about vaccinations




  Hello,

  I haven't been posting in a while. A year ago, I had a cat who died within 
several weeks of being dx with feline leukemia. Other than ocassionally 
sneezing, Cakooie seemed like a healthy kitty. He was my first cat, so there 
was a lot i didn't know about feline dieases. But he ate well and was playful. 
Then three weeks after he had his vaccinations, he went down quickly. 

  His sister, Chica, has tested negative twice within 90 d ays. I think she 
will be okay. It's time to have her vaccinations again, and I'm just scared 
because of what happened to my other cat. I know the vaccinations didn't cause 
him to get leukemia. I think they did make him worse. He was vaccinated for 
rabies and distemper. 

  Chica is an indoor cat, so I don't know what vaccinations she really needs. 
Rabies is required. She probably should get a booster for distemper. 

  Do you think after two negative tests and a good checkup that it is safe to 
assume she's felv free? Are vaccinations generally safe? 

  Thanks for your input. 

  Marie


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Re: spooked about vaccinations

2008-02-08 Thread Jane Lyons

Hi Marie
I share your fear of unnecessary vaccinations. A vet I use, who is  
very enlightened, recommended a book

entitled Vaccine Guide for Dogs and Cats by Catherine Diodati.
http://books.google.com/books?id=brILCAAJ&dq=Catherine+JM 
+Diodati&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Catherine 
+Diodati&btnG=Google+Search&sa=X&oi=print&ct=result&cd=1&cad=author- 
navigational


Google Catherine Diodati for her credentials and then get the book.  
It is astonishing to learn how we have been
misled and misinformed about vaccinations and also how harmful they  
can be for an animal
who's immunity is suppressed. I was flabbergasted when I read it, and  
I have become very careful and selective

about vaccinations.
I would strongly recommend the book to everyone who loves animals. Dr  
Richard Pitcairn wrote the intro. It is
carefully researched and documented. It is not in the 'lunatic  
fringe' realm.

Jane




Hello,

I haven't been posting in a while. A year ago, I had a cat who died  
within several weeks of being dx with feline leukemia. Other than  
ocassionally sneezing, Cakooie seemed like a healthy kitty. He was  
my first cat, so there was a lot i didn't know about feline  
dieases. But he ate well and was playful. Then three weeks after he  
had his vaccinations, he went down quickly.


His sister, Chica, has tested negative twice within 90 days. I  
think she will be okay. It's time to have her vaccinations again,  
and I'm just scared because of what happened to my other cat. I  
know the vaccinations didn't cause him to get leukemia. I think  
they did make him worse. He was vaccinated for rabies and distemper.


Chica is an indoor cat, so I don't know what vaccinations she  
really needs. Rabies is required. She probably should get a booster  
for distemper.


Do you think after two negative tests and a good checkup that it is  
safe to assume she's felv free? Are vaccinations generally safe?


Thanks for your input.

Marie

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