Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
The disclaimer is not bullet-proof, just like the Informed Consent form that you sign for medical procedures can be challenged. However, in the vet context, given how little value a court would place on a deceased cat, I would think it very unlikely that such a lawsuit would be viable. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-24-15 8:57 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue so... On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration for them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are still considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in the legal sphere. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net<mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. Maya D'Alessio mailto:mde...@gmail.com>> wrote: > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really > interested in hearing me out > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > mailto:mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca>> > wrote: > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> > > wrote: > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > >> > >> > >> > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left > >> with “what-ifs”. > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). > >> > >> > >> > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > >> > >> > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] > >> *On > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM > >> > >> *T
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
Ya, after Scotchy died following his rabies vaccination, they insisted on testing him for rabies because he had dug his claws into my arm hanging onto me for dear life when I took him back to the vet. They said they had to be sure he didn't have rabies in which case I would have been exposed. I had to pay $100 for them to send his head to Madison to be tested for rabies. They were really encouraging me to pay $700 to send his whole body down there. Hello!! I already had a dead cat - if they wanted to send his whole body they could do it without my $700. (I paid the $100 and tried not to think about what was going to happen.) -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 2:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. Maya D'Alessio wrote: > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really > interested in hearing me out > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > > wrote: > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > > > wrote: > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > >> > >> > >> > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left > >> with “what-ifs”. > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). > >> > >> > >> > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > >> > >> > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM > >> > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> > >> > >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but > >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one > >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I > >> would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a > >> group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk > >> about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, > >> and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see > >> what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about > >> Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me > >> any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be > >> pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat thin
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
This is off topic, but I keep getting some of member emails in my trash box instead of the inbox. Is this hapening to anyone else? Kelley S wrote: > In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a > photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is > now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue so... > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > > > I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a > > lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter > > - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and > > signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an > > almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very > > much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration for > > them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are still > > considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in > > the legal sphere. > > > > Amani > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > > dlg...@windstream.net > > Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT > > YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. > > > > Maya D'Alessio wrote: > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in > > > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a > > > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that > > > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to > > > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two > > > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has > > > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was > > > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really > > > interested in hearing me out > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but > > > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of > > > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs > > > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they > > > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > > > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very > > > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've > > > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other > > > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back > > > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a > > > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be > > left with “what-ifs”. > > > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. > > > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not > > > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what > > > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I > > > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Amani > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes. As property, do they not have any value? They deserve respect at the very least. Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he can. Someone once said he would use them for target practice. I told him he would be lying on the ground next to them. Amani Oakley wrote: > I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a lawsuit > in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter - they > are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and signing that > you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an almost impossible > hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very much at all, so I > would be surprised if this was even a consideration for them here. I don’t > know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are still considered property > (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in the legal sphere. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > dlg...@windstream.net > Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU > SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. > > Maya D'Alessio wrote: > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in > > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a > > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that > > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to > > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two > > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has > > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was > > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really > > interested in hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > > > > wrote: > > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but > > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of > > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs > > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they > > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very > > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've > > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other > > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back > > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a > > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left > > >> with “what-ifs”. > > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. > > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not > > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what > > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I > > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Amani > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On > > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson > > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM > > >> > > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > >> > &g
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
In Texas, they were found to be a special kind of property like a photograph...but then that was rescinded...not sure what the status is now..but at any rate you do sign a disclaimer saying you will not sue so... On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:32 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a > lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter > - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and > signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an > almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very > much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration for > them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are still > considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in > the legal sphere. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > dlg...@windstream.net > Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT > YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. > > Maya D'Alessio wrote: > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in > > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a > > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that > > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to > > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two > > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has > > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was > > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really > > interested in hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > > > > wrote: > > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but > > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of > > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs > > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they > > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very > > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've > > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other > > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back > > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a > > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be > left with “what-ifs”. > > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. > > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not > > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what > > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I > > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Amani > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On > > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson > > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM > > >> > > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but > > >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one > > >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I > > >&
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
I'm a lawyer. First, I can tell you that there wouldn’t be much of a lawsuit in the passing of an ill cat (or even a healthy one for that matter - they are just properly under the law) and second, writing down and signing that you take full responsibility in that circumstance, is an almost impossible hurdle to overcome. Vets in Canada don’t get sued very much at all, so I would be surprised if this was even a consideration for them here. I don’t know the circumstances in the U.S., but they are still considered property (chattel) so I doubt things would be much different in the legal sphere. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: October-24-15 3:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. Maya D'Alessio wrote: > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in > most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a > concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that > have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to > use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two > vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has > been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was > quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really > interested in hearing me out > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > > wrote: > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing > > potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but > > in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is > > literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of > > a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs > > that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they > > wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very > > understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've > > been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other > > vet is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > > > wrote: > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > >> > >> > >> > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back > >> and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a > >> bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left > >> with “what-ifs”. > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. > >> This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not > >> too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what > >> is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I > >> think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). > >> > >> > >> > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > >> > >> > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On > >> Behalf Of *Ardy Robertson > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM > >> > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> > >> > >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but > >> they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one > >> talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I > >> would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a > >> group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk > >> about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, > >> and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see > >> what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about > >> Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me > >> any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be > >> pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. > >> He made a
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tHEY ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF LAWSUITS, THE CAT DIES AND NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID BEFORE, YOU MIGHT SUE. Maya D'Alessio wrote: > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential > liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it > went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then > potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed > like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are > concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with > non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one > vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what > I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet > is not really interested in hearing me out > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio > wrote: > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential > > liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it > > went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then > > potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed > > like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are > > concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with > > non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one > > vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what > > I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet > > is not really interested in hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > > wrote: > > > >> Ardy – good for you! > >> > >> > >> > >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and > >> tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome > >> if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. > >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY > >> cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in > >> whatever weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or > >> not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic > >> doping scandals). > >> > >> > >> > >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > >> > >> > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > >> Of *Ardy Robertson > >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM > >> > >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> > >> > >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they > >> said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me > >> and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets > >> in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst > >> themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future > >> treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with > >> the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told > >> him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but > >> no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I > >> want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop > >> up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows > >> through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to > >> us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told > >> him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is > >> necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to > >> change their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be > >> unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group > >> because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion. > >> > >> Ardy Robertson > >> > >> Osseo, WI > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > >> ] *On Behalf Of *Maya D'Alessio
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Remember, they as well as human doctors are being TOLD a bunch of lies by BIG pharmaceutical companies. If they don' tmake it they put it down. Only the ones I make are good. I get this all the time because I choose not to run to the doctor every time I get a scratch, hang nail, etc. I must go to the doctor every 3 months to make sure I do not get sick and then I do get sick. zi weill stick with my own meds, I stay well then Ardy Robertson wrote: > You took the words out of my mouth--- they are prepared to inject drugs > that will immediately end the life of the cat, but are not willing to try a > drug that may possibly damage his liver, or could restore his health…HELLO!!! > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Amani Oakley > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:18 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > Yes, I got the same impression. All the vets I have spoken with refer to this > potential for liver problems, but they all just seemed to jump off the > bandwagon and abandon the drug at that point. They didn’t continue to read > the research that established that there was no actual liver damage – just > spiking of liver enzymes which returned to normal later. > > > > And again, isn’t that our call?? Shouldn’t we be told that there is a drug > but here are the side-effects? Like you, Maya, I find it defies logic that > they are prepared to put your cat to sleep for goodness sake, but not > prepared to risk liver damage apparently. It makes no sense at all. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya > D'Alessio > Sent: October-23-15 8:14 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver > issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away > after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential > liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets > don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but > then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and > has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite > interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in > hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio <mailto:mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca> > wrote: > > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver > issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away > after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential > liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets > don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but > then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! > I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and > has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite > interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in > hearing me out > > > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote: > > Ardy – good for you! > > > > Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and tell > you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome if > that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. That > has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY cat > and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in whatever > weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or not okay > about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic doping > scandals). > > > > I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > <mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson > Sent: October-23-15 7:57 PM > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk
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Good for you Ardy. Please update us on what your vets say. - Lorrie - On 10-23, Ardy Robertson wrote: >I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but >they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one >talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would >like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a group, or >talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk about my >Tigger's future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he >promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they >have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger's >bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results >so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not >lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. He made a lot of >promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows through. I tried to >impress upon him how important our little furball is to us, and that he >deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told him I am >willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, >but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to change >their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be >unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group >because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same >opinion. > >Ardy Robertson > >Osseo, WI ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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You took the words out of my mouth--- they are prepared to inject drugs that will immediately end the life of the cat, but are not willing to try a drug that may possibly damage his liver, or could restore his health…HELLO!!! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:18 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update Yes, I got the same impression. All the vets I have spoken with refer to this potential for liver problems, but they all just seemed to jump off the bandwagon and abandon the drug at that point. They didn’t continue to read the research that established that there was no actual liver damage – just spiking of liver enzymes which returned to normal later. And again, isn’t that our call?? Shouldn’t we be told that there is a drug but here are the side-effects? Like you, Maya, I find it defies logic that they are prepared to put your cat to sleep for goodness sake, but not prepared to risk liver damage apparently. It makes no sense at all. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-23-15 8:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing me out On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio mailto:mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca> > wrote: My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing me out On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com> > wrote: Ardy – good for you! Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org> ] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: October-23-15 7:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessa
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Yes, I got the same impression. All the vets I have spoken with refer to this potential for liver problems, but they all just seemed to jump off the bandwagon and abandon the drug at that point. They didn’t continue to read the research that established that there was no actual liver damage – just spiking of liver enzymes which returned to normal later. And again, isn’t that our call?? Shouldn’t we be told that there is a drug but here are the side-effects? Like you, Maya, I find it defies logic that they are prepared to put your cat to sleep for goodness sake, but not prepared to risk liver damage apparently. It makes no sense at all. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: October-23-15 8:14 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing me out On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio mailto:mrdal...@uwaterloo.ca>> wrote: My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing me out On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Ardy – good for you! Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: October-23-15 7:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion. Ardy Robertson Osseo, WI From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco up
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My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet is not really interested in hearing me out On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:13 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote: > My vet seemed to really be influenced by the one study citing potential > liver issues. I get it, it could cause liver issues, but in most cats it > went away after coming off the drug, and if a cat is literally dying, then > potential liver side effects are much less of a concern. To me it seemed > like the vets don't want to use drugs that have side effects they are > concerned about...but then they wanted to use AZT which is associated with > non-regenerative anemia! I have a two vet practice that I go to, the one > vet is very understanding and has been doing lots of research in to what > I've been sending (she was quite interested in the LTCI), but the other vet > is not really interested in hearing me out > > On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Amani Oakley > wrote: > >> Ardy – good for you! >> >> >> >> Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and >> tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome >> if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. >> That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY >> cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in >> whatever weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or >> not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic >> doping scandals). >> >> >> >> I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. >> >> >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf >> Of *Ardy Robertson >> *Sent:* October-23-15 7:57 PM >> >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> >> >> >> I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they >> said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me >> and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets >> in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst >> themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future >> treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with >> the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told >> him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but >> no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I >> want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop >> up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows >> through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to >> us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told >> him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is >> necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to >> change their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be >> unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group >> because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion. >> >> Ardy Robertson >> >> Osseo, WI >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org >> ] *On Behalf Of *Maya D'Alessio >> *Sent:* Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM >> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> >> >> >> Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, wrote: >> >> tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY >> ARE VACCINATED. >> >> >> Kelley S wrote: >> > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one >> serviing
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Ardy – good for you! Frankly, though, with the Winstrol, no matter what they come back and tell you, I would insist. None of them will have to deal with a bad outcome if that happens with Tigger, and you don’t want to be left with “what-ifs”. That has been my attitude since all this happened to me as well. This is MY cat and I hold MY cat’s life in my hands and I am not too interested in whatever weird perspectives they may have on what is politically okay or not okay about Winstrol (and seriously – I think it IS all about athletic doping scandals). I am very proud of you Ardy. Let us know how things go for you. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: October-23-15 7:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion. Ardy Robertson Osseo, WI From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol. On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote: tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY ARE VACCINATED. Kelley S mailto:moonv...@gmail.com>> wrote: > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one serviing > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really > like her eating dry but it will put weight on her. > > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest of > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and > the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the FELV+ > kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first and > then let them in with the others. > > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow. > > Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I called both of my vet offices today. One was too busy to talk but they said they would call me back tomorrow morning. The other one talked to me and I was quite firm (proud of myself) telling him I would like the 4 vets in the office to either speak with me in a group, or talk amongst themselves and then I would come in and talk about my Tigger’s future treatment. I talked about Winstrol to him, and he promised to check with the veterinary specialists and see what they have to say about it. I told him I wanted to know about Tigger’s bloodwork (he has had blood tests, but no one has given me any results so I am really in the dark). I told him I want to be pro-active and not lose valuable time to treat things that pop up. He made a lot of promises to me, and I sincerely hope he follows through. I tried to impress upon him how important our little furball is to us, and that he deserves to have everything possible done for him. I told him I am willing to do the supportive care longterm or whatever is necessary, but did not want to do the unnecessary things. My goal is to change their minds about instantly writing off kitties who happen to be unfortunate enough to have this virus. I am so happy I found your group because I see that everyone who has posted seems to be of the same opinion. Ardy Robertson Osseo, WI From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maya D'Alessio Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 7:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol. On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, mailto:dlg...@windstream.net> > wrote: tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY ARE VACCINATED. Kelley S mailto:moonv...@gmail.com> > wrote: > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one serviing > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really > like her eating dry but it will put weight on her. > > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest of > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and > the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the FELV+ > kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first and > then let them in with the others. > > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow. > > Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org <mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Good luck Kelley! Let me know how your vet reacts about the Winstrol. On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 3:51 AM, wrote: > tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY > ARE VACCINATED. > > Kelley S wrote: > > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one serviing > > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really > > like her eating dry but it will put weight on her. > > > > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest > of > > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and > > the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the FELV+ > > kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first > and > > then let them in with the others. > > > > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow. > > > > Kelley > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Maya D'Alessio PhD student B1 377B, x32320 Graduate Studies Endowment Fund Coordinator Biology GSA Vice Chair GSA Director At-Large University of Waterloo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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tHAT IS WHAT MY VET SAID WHEN i GOT ANNIE. THE OTHERS ARE SAFE IF THEY ARE VACCINATED. Kelley S wrote: > Well, I am happy to say she is eating like a champ. She ate one serviing > of Prowl today, plus a can of food, plus some dry food - I don't really > like her eating dry but it will put weight on her. > > Best of all, my vet say he has no problems letting her in with the rest of > my vaccinated cats. I have 2 more vaccinations to go, one is tomorrow and > the other one is next Friday. He even said when he brought the FELV+ > kittens to his house, he made sure his other cats were vaccinated first and > then let them in with the others. > > I'm going to try my best to ask again about Winstrol tomorrow. > > Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Congratulations! I will give a non eater anything it takes to get them to eat. Even getting chicken livers, putting them through the blender and spoon feeding, it it works, you are half way there. Amani Oakley wrote: > That is really good news. Keep up the good work. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Kelley S > Sent: October-03-15 11:36 PM > To: Margo; felvtalk > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > She's eating a good bit of plain baked chicken thigh right now. > > On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Margo > mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>> wrote: > . > > > >"I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get > >it." > > Actually I think the Vet was receptive. But how does one just go ahead and > get Winstrol? My Vet will try almost anything, but that isn't something her > boss wants to deal with... > > Margo > > > > > > Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> > >wrote: > >> The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source > >> the Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to > >> find it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish > >> you were nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been > >> where you are, more times than I can count. > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Felvtalk > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] > >> On Behalf Of Kelley S > >> Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM > >> To: felvtalk > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going > >> back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby > >> food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive > >> me:() > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley > >> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com><mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>> > >> wrote: > >> Kelley > >> > >> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high > >> steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks > >> Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the > >> smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with > >> kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build > >> up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very > >> quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because > >> she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he > >> can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need > >> to be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – > >> chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or > >> she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it > >> easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to > >> digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. > >> But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> From: Felvtalk > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org><mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>] > >> On Behalf Of Kelley S > >> Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > >> To: felvtalk > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke > >> me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did > >> not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 > >> of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was > >> better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at > >> night. But he is very concerned. > >> > >> Kelley > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org><mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Amy, thanks for that bit of advice. So far Annie has not needed antibiotics, she just has problems adjusting to NOT being the only cat. Amy wrote: > I know people may disagree but I would not suggest doing convenia for a cat > with leukemia unless the cat is darn near impossible to medicate. The drug is > meant for skin conditions and while some vets use it for URIs and UTIs, that > is an off label use. I have seen it work for both but I also feel, like most > vets, that it does not work nearly as well as oral antibiotics. Any vet will > tell you oral meds are stronger and in a cat where a URI can be fatal, I'd > always go with the strongest meds available to try to kick it quickly. Not > trying to criticize, just trying to help. Good luck and keep us posted! > Amy > From: Kelley S > To: felvtalk > Sent: Friday, October 2, 2015 11:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going > back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food > tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > > > Kelley If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a > high steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks > Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell > opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I > would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her > strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She > is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down > and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long > lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even > more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can > get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my > cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I > have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a > good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you > shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of Kelley S > Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > To: felvtalk > Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the > bathroom with her. She woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. > She has URI. She did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she > did. She did eat 3/4 of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say > he felt she was better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no > one there at night. But he is very concerned. Kelley > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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That is really good news. Keep up the good work. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-03-15 11:36 PM To: Margo; felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update She's eating a good bit of plain baked chicken thigh right now. On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Margo mailto:toomanykitti...@earthlink.net>> wrote: . > >"I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get it." Actually I think the Vet was receptive. But how does one just go ahead and get Winstrol? My Vet will try almost anything, but that isn't something her boss wants to deal with... Margo > Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> >wrote: >> The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the >> Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find >> it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were >> nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, >> more times than I can count. >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] >> On Behalf Of Kelley S >> Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM >> To: felvtalk >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> >> She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going >> back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food >> tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley >> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com><mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>> >> wrote: >> Kelley >> >> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high >> steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks >> Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell >> opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I >> would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her >> strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. >> She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run >> down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a >> long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving >> even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You >> can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of >> my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if >> I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a >> good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you >> shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. >> >> Amani >> >> From: Felvtalk >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org><mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>] >> On Behalf Of Kelley S >> Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM >> To: felvtalk >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> >> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me >> and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not >> have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a >> can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better >> off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. >> But he is very concerned. >> >> Kelley >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org><mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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She's eating a good bit of plain baked chicken thigh right now. On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Margo wrote: > . > > > >"I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get > it." > > Actually I think the Vet was receptive. But how does one just go ahead and > get Winstrol? My Vet will try almost anything, but that isn't something her > boss wants to deal with... > > Margo > > > > > > Amani Oakley wrote: > >> The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source > the Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to > find it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you > were nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you > are, more times than I can count. > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Kelley S > >> Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM > >> To: felvtalk > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am > going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some > baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to > drive me:() > >> > >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > >> Kelley > >> > >> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high > steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks > Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the > smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with > kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build > up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very > quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because > she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he > can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to > be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken > and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may > like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily > on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, > full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I > can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. > >> > >> Amani > >> > >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Kelley S > >> Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > >> To: felvtalk > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update > >> > >> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She > woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She > did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat > 3/4 of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was > better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at > night. But he is very concerned. > >> > >> Kelley > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > > > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
. > >"I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get it." Actually I think the Vet was receptive. But how does one just go ahead and get Winstrol? My Vet will try almost anything, but that isn't something her boss wants to deal with... Margo > Amani Oakley wrote: >> The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the >> Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find >> it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were >> nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, >> more times than I can count. >> >> Amani >> >> >> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Kelley S >> Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM >> To: felvtalk >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> >> She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going >> back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food >> tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() >> >> On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley >> mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: >> Kelley >> >> If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high >> steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks >> Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell >> opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I >> would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her >> strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. >> She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run >> down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a >> long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving >> even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You >> can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of >> my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if >> I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a >> good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you >> shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. >> >> Amani >> >> From: Felvtalk >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] >> On Behalf Of Kelley S >> Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM >> To: felvtalk >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update >> >> My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me >> and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not >> have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a >> can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better >> off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. >> But he is very concerned. >> >> Kelley >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
Kelley He sounds quite wonderful, and a good vet on your side is so very critical. Hopefully he will go the extra mile to get you a few Winstrol tablets to get you started quickly, if there is a problem getting more. With the Convenia, Coco should be okay until tomorrow. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-02-15 11:44 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update I don't think he has a problem providing the Winstrol. He's pretty agreeable. He's one of my favorite vets ever. After Merlin died he told me he once took home 2 FELV+ kittens from the clinic and they died before 10 months. I read between the lines - someone asked him to PTS those kittens after they tested pos. This in contrast to one of my old vets who had a sign on his door any cats or kittens left at the door would be humanely euthanized. He does not see much FELV+ in his practice so he does not know, but he is generally willing to get me whatever i ask for. Michelle is asleep right now so I can't do anything. No car. On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 PM, mailto:dlg...@windstream.net>> wrote: I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get it. Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the > Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find it. > Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were > nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, > more times than I can count. > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] > On Behalf Of Kelley S > Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM > To: felvtalk > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going > back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food > tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com><mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com<mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>>> > wrote: > Kelley > > If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam > environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to > rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up > their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge > you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and > appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is > experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down > and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long > lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even > more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can > get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my > cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I > have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a > good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you > shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org><mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>>] > On Behalf Of Kelley S > Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > To: felvtalk > Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me > and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not > have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can > of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off > with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he > is very concerned. > > Kelley > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org><mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
I don't think he has a problem providing the Winstrol. He's pretty agreeable. He's one of my favorite vets ever. After Merlin died he told me he once took home 2 FELV+ kittens from the clinic and they died before 10 months. I read between the lines - someone asked him to PTS those kittens after they tested pos. This in contrast to one of my old vets who had a sign on his door any cats or kittens left at the door would be humanely euthanized. He does not see much FELV+ in his practice so he does not know, but he is generally willing to get me whatever i ask for. Michelle is asleep right now so I can't do anything. No car. On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 10:36 PM, wrote: > I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get > it. > > Amani Oakley wrote: > > The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source > the Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to > find it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you > were nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you > are, more times than I can count. > > > > Amani > > > > > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > Of Kelley S > > Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM > > To: felvtalk > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am > going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some > baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to > drive me:() > > > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley <mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > > Kelley > > > > If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high > steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks > Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the > smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with > kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build > up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very > quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because > she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he > can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to > be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken > and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may > like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily > on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, > full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I > can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. > > > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Kelley S > > Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > > To: felvtalk > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke > me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did > not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of > a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better > off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. > But he is very concerned. > > > > Kelley > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
I doubt he will approve of the Winstrol, forget him and go ahead and get it. Amani Oakley wrote: > The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the > Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find it. > Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were > nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, > more times than I can count. > > Amani > > > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Kelley S > Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM > To: felvtalk > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going > back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food > tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() > > On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley > mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: > Kelley > > If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam > environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to > rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up > their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge > you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and > appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is > experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down > and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long > lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even > more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can > get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my > cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I > have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a > good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you > shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] > On Behalf Of Kelley S > Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > To: felvtalk > Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me > and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not > have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can > of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off > with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he > is very concerned. > > Kelley > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
The Convenia should help. Unfortunately, if he hasn’t started to source the Winstrol (unless he has used it before) it may take him some time to find it. Be insistent. Let me know what his answer is on Monday. I wish you were nearby. I would have no trouble helping you out. I have been where you are, more times than I can count. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-02-15 11:22 PM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley mailto:aoak...@oakleylegal.com>> wrote: Kelley If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org>] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he is very concerned. Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
Agreed, the baby food will really help. Do anything needed to get her to eat. Amani Oakley wrote: > Kelley > > If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam > environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to > rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up > their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge > you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and > appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is > experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down > and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long > lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even > more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can > get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my > cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I > have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a > good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you > shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. > > Amani > > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Kelley S > Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM > To: felvtalk > Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update > > My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me > and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not > have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can > of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off > with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he > is very concerned. > > Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
She got the Convenia today. I asked him about the Winstrol and am going back Monday. Unfortunately tomorrow is Saturday. I will get some baby food tomorrow (I don't have a car, so I have to wait for Michelle to drive me:() On Fri, Oct 2, 2015 at 9:24 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > Kelley > > > > If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high > steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks > Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the > smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with > kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build > up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very > quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because > she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he > can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to > be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken > and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may > like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily > on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, > full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I > can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. > > > > Amani > > > > *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf > Of *Kelley S > *Sent:* October-02-15 10:05 PM > *To:* felvtalk > *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Coco update > > > > My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke > me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did > not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of > a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better > off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. > But he is very concerned. > > > > Kelley > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Coco update
Kelley If she is in the bathroom anyway, run the shower hot, and create a high steam environment. That will help with the URI. I have also used Vicks Vaporub to rub on their chests (yes – it’s messy on their fur, but the smell opens up their nasal passages very well, just like it does with kids). I would urge you not to wait on the Winstrol. This will help build up her strength and appetite, and will start working on the anemia very quickly. She is experiencing all these problems (URI and diarrhea) because she is run down and can not fight off infections, etc.) Ask your vet if he can give a long lasting antibiotic shot like Convenia, so you don’t need to be giving even more orally. Also, I would use pureed baby food – chicken and beef. You can get this into her using a plastic syringe, or she may like it as most of my cats have always liked the taste and take it easily on their own, even if I have to start using syringes. It is easy to digest, full of protein, and a good consistency to syringe if necessary. But I can’t stress enough that you shouldn’t wait on the Winstrol. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: October-02-15 10:05 PM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Coco update My roommate was nice enough to sleep in the bathroom with her. She woke me and told me we needed to take her to the vet. She has URI. She did not have nasal involvement yesterday but today she did. She did eat 3/4 of a can of AD. The vet is very concerned. He did say he felt she was better off with us than in the hospital there as there is no one there at night. But he is very concerned. Kelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
