Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65
My "Go To" to get meds in a cat involve a high back upholstered chair, or a screen door. The goal is to "hang" the cat by his/her front feet. Hold the cat up to the door at shoulder hieght so that they attach their front claws. Move to the right side of the cat (if you're right-handed). Let them sink until the legs are extended and the cat's head is at a good level for you (don't let the get their back legs under them). Let go of the cat, use your left hand to tilt the head back and open the mouth, and the right to hold down the lower jaw and either administer the liquid across the tongue, or get the pill way down the throat. It sounds more complicated than it is. Try it when you're NOT trying to medicate, and you may find it could be helpful. I have had cats that the harder you try, the harder they fight, and the tighter they clench their teeth. This is basically non-restraint, and it's confusing enough to catch them off guard. It also keeps those claws occupied... HTH Margo -Original Message- >From: Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> >Sent: May 20, 2016 12:18 AM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65 > >Hi Bob - if you are ever in a situation where you really need to administer >something to your cat and don't want to lose all your skin, just use a heavy >bath towel folded in half and wrap it around the cat while he/she is sitting >on a chair. Put it around him like he is in the barber chair - then use an >office clip or clothespin behind his head to hold it together. The towel is >usually so heavy and hard to deal with they just sit still and it's much >easier to give the dropper of stuff. However they do learn to avoid the chair >etc. Just an idea to try. >Ardy > > > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >ROBERT CHAPEL >Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 1:06 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65 > >Ardy et al: > >Typical of vets... I went to a new one who was very pleasant and made no >suggestion of putting my guy down( suggesting euthanasia is NOT typical of >vets around my parts...at least no one that I would go to since I ask a LOT of >people before I go) My guy ( Yogi's) Blood work is normal at this point but >this was via a phone message and I want a copy of the values One >thing I HAVE noticed ,even about the "nice" vets who don't immediately suggest >euthanasia is that they do NOT encourage experimenting with supplements and >meds that might extend lifespan. This vet, while pleasant suggested I >not treat any of his current ills and just " love him and feed him well until >his time comes" ( though did suggest mirtazapine to stimulate his appetite ( >he's not a good eater)... She said he " looked good" as yet.BTW... I >am retired and on a VERY limited income so I have to be quite careful as to >the money I spend I had not budgeted for pets when I retired... >didn't really expect that I would have any more after my dog died but >volunteering at the shelter I simply didn't feel right that all these animals >had no homes and here _I_ was WITH a home and not offering it to a needy >animal... Without going into detail , my own life expectancy is not all that >long and I wanted to adopt an animal that would not outlive me These guys >most likely will not but that does not mean that I want them NOT to have a >chance at a long lifeSo... I am taking whatever steps I can to keep them >healthy I just WISH they would eat wet food or even HUMAN food!! I have >NEVER had a cat ( and I've had quite a few throughout my life) that turned >their nose up at table foodHeck..they would kill each other for who got >the dropped piece of chicken!! These guys lose interest in ANYTHING I give >them ( except when they think they are getting away with something : ) So >now I "accidently" drop food on the floor quite a bit and they eat it up B > UT... they will not eat it if I add ANY form of supplementso I've > got to grab them a couple to three times a day and administer everything via > dropper and slosh the enisyl ( Lysine) across their mouths and paws > They are easy to give eye drops to and I can get very small pills into them > without losing all the skin on my hands and forearms but it's getting weary > having to _ catch_ them now that I am the _ medicine_ guy to them ( if they > were more food hounds I would have a lot more positive creds as the fellow > who feeds them but they are just cats who eat to live...don't even go crazy > for treats makes t
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65
Hi Bob - if you are ever in a situation where you really need to administer something to your cat and don't want to lose all your skin, just use a heavy bath towel folded in half and wrap it around the cat while he/she is sitting on a chair. Put it around him like he is in the barber chair - then use an office clip or clothespin behind his head to hold it together. The towel is usually so heavy and hard to deal with they just sit still and it's much easier to give the dropper of stuff. However they do learn to avoid the chair etc. Just an idea to try. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 1:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65 Ardy et al: Typical of vets... I went to a new one who was very pleasant and made no suggestion of putting my guy down( suggesting euthanasia is NOT typical of vets around my parts...at least no one that I would go to since I ask a LOT of people before I go) My guy ( Yogi's) Blood work is normal at this point but this was via a phone message and I want a copy of the values One thing I HAVE noticed ,even about the "nice" vets who don't immediately suggest euthanasia is that they do NOT encourage experimenting with supplements and meds that might extend lifespan. This vet, while pleasant suggested I not treat any of his current ills and just " love him and feed him well until his time comes" ( though did suggest mirtazapine to stimulate his appetite ( he's not a good eater)... She said he " looked good" as yet.BTW... I am retired and on a VERY limited income so I have to be quite careful as to the money I spend I had not budgeted for pets when I retired... didn't really expect that I would have any more after my dog died but volunteering at the shelter I simply didn't feel right that all these animals had no homes and here _I_ was WITH a home and not offering it to a needy animal... Without going into detail , my own life expectancy is not all that long and I wanted to adopt an animal that would not outlive me These guys most likely will not but that does not mean that I want them NOT to have a chance at a long lifeSo... I am taking whatever steps I can to keep them healthy I just WISH they would eat wet food or even HUMAN food!! I have NEVER had a cat ( and I've had quite a few throughout my life) that turned their nose up at table foodHeck..they would kill each other for who got the dropped piece of chicken!! These guys lose interest in ANYTHING I give them ( except when they think they are getting away with something : ) So now I "accidently" drop food on the floor quite a bit and they eat it upBUT... th ey will not eat it if I add ANY form of supplementso I've got to grab them a couple to three times a day and administer everything via dropper and slosh the enisyl ( Lysine) across their mouths and paws They are easy to give eye drops to and I can get very small pills into them without losing all the skin on my hands and forearms but it's getting weary having to _ catch_ them now that I am the _ medicine_ guy to them ( if they were more food hounds I would have a lot more positive creds as the fellow who feeds them but they are just cats who eat to live...don't even go crazy for treats makes things a bit more of a challenge but... like all of you... I adore them and will see to it that they get what they need... Again...SO appreciative of this listserv... best info around!! Bob On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:42 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Winstrol (Ardy Robertson) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 22:41:59 -0500 > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > Message-ID: <016301d1b0b7$3c75c570$b5615050$@centurytel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Bob, > After having just gone through this with my Tigger, I wholeheartedly > agree with the treatment options Amani is outlining. And better to get > s
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65
Bob - I forgot to tell you, if you can't afford the mirtazapine or want to try something else first they suggest Dandelion Root a lot on the kitty holistic site I am on for increasing appetite. You might be able to get it at Walmart or a drug store pretty inexpensively. Make sure you get it in caps so you can open them, and you want to give way less than the recommended for humans. Here is what Web MD says about it in case you are interested. I wouldn't let them go too long without getting enough food in them though, even if you have to try the syringe method I told you about with the AD food from your vet as a source of nutrition. If you lived close I would come right over and help you! http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-706-DANDELION.aspx?activeIngredientId=706=DANDELION -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 2:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65 Ardy et al: Typical of vets... I went to a new one who was very pleasant and made no suggestion of putting my guy down( suggesting euthanasia is NOT typical of vets around my parts...at least no one that I would go to since I ask a LOT of people before I go) My guy ( Yogi's) Blood work is normal at this point but this was via a phone message and I want a copy of the values One thing I HAVE noticed ,even about the "nice" vets who don't immediately suggest euthanasia is that they do NOT encourage experimenting with supplements and meds that might extend lifespan. This vet, while pleasant suggested I not treat any of his current ills and just " love him and feed him well until his time comes" ( though did suggest mirtazapine to stimulate his appetite ( he's not a good eater)... She said he " looked good" as yet.BTW... I am retired and on a VERY limited income so I have to be quite careful as to the money I spend I had not budgeted for pets when I retired... didn't really expect that I would have any more after my dog died but volunteering at the shelter I simply didn't feel right that all these animals had no homes and here _I_ was WITH a home and not offering it to a needy animal... Without going into detail , my own life expectancy is not all that long and I wanted to adopt an animal that would not outlive me These guys most likely will not but that does not mean that I want them NOT to have a chance at a long lifeSo... I am taking whatever steps I can to keep them healthy I just WISH they would eat wet food or even HUMAN food!! I have NEVER had a cat ( and I've had quite a few throughout my life) that turned their nose up at table foodHeck..they would kill each other for who got the dropped piece of chicken!! These guys lose interest in ANYTHING I give them ( except when they think they are getting away with something : ) So now I "accidently" drop food on the floor quite a bit and they eat it upBUT... they will not eat it if I add ANY form of supplementso I've got to grab them a couple to three times a day and administer everything via dropper and slosh the enisyl ( Lysine) across their mouths and paws They are easy to give eye drops to and I can get very small pills into them without losing all the skin on my hands and forearms but it's getting weary having to _ catch_ them now that I am the _ medicine_ guy to them ( if they were more food hounds I would have a lot more positive creds as the fellow who feeds them but they are just cats who eat to live...don't even go crazy for treats makes things a bit more of a challenge but... like all of you... I adore them and will see to it that they get what they need... Again...SO appreciative of this listserv... best info around!! Bob On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:42 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Winstrol (Ardy Robertson) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 22:41:59 -0500 > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol > Message-ID: <016301d1b0b7$3c75c570$b5615050$@centurytel.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="U
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65
Hi Bob, As you know, I am giving my cat several supplements, I mix them all into a little bit of AD (prescription high calorie)cat food, you should be able to get some from your vet without any hassle. You can also use canned pumpkin for the consistency (and cheap) I use a small cheese spread knife to load the mixture into a syringe (my vet gives me syringes free). Then I put a hand towel on my counter and sit him down on it. I wrap a big towel around him (the towel centered at his chest and wrapped around to his back so he front paws are immobile) and hold him gently in place (and give him lots of kisses and tell him how good he is) then I gently put the tip of the syringe in the corner of his mouth, until he opens. I give him small bites, pausing a bit between each to let him take a break and swallow (and give kisses!) I do this until I have gotten it all in him. You could try this with your meds and supplements. You for sure sound like you need add an appetite stimulant whether it be a natural supplement or medicinal. Rachel -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT CHAPEL Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 2:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65 Ardy et al: Typical of vets... I went to a new one who was very pleasant and made no suggestion of putting my guy down( suggesting euthanasia is NOT typical of vets around my parts...at least no one that I would go to since I ask a LOT of people before I go) My guy ( Yogi's) Blood work is normal at this point but this was via a phone message and I want a copy of the values One thing I HAVE noticed ,even about the "nice" vets who don't immediately suggest euthanasia is that they do NOT encourage experimenting with supplements and meds that might extend lifespan. This vet, while pleasant suggested I not treat any of his current ills and just " love him and feed him well until his time comes" ( though did suggest mirtazapine to stimulate his appetite ( he's not a good eater)... She said he " looked good" as yet.BTW... I am retired and on a VERY limited income so I have to be quite careful as to the money I spend I had not budgeted for pets when I retired... didn't really expect that I would have any more after my dog died but volunteering at the shelter I simply didn't feel right that all these animals had no homes and here _I_ was WITH a home and not offering it to a needy animal... Without going into detail , my own life expectancy is not all that long and I wanted to adopt an animal that would not outlive me These guys most likely will not but that does not mean that I want them NOT to have a chance at a long lifeSo... I am taking whatever steps I can to keep them healthy I just WISH they would eat wet food or even HUMAN food!! I have NEVER had a cat ( and I've had quite a few throughout my life) that turned their nose up at table foodHeck..they would kill each other for who got the dropped piece of chicken!! These guys lose interest in ANYTHING I give them ( except when they think they are getting away with something : ) So now I "accidently" drop food on the floor quite a bit and they eat it upBUT... they will not eat it if I add ANY form of supplementso I've got to grab them a couple to three times a day and administer everything via dropper and slosh the enisyl ( Lysine) across their mouths and paws They are easy to give eye drops to and I can get very small pills into them without losing all the skin on my hands and forearms but it's getting weary having to _ catch_ them now that I am the _ medicine_ guy to them ( if they were more food hounds I would have a lot more positive creds as the fellow who feeds them but they are just cats who eat to live...don't even go crazy for treats makes things a bit more of a challenge but... like all of you... I adore them and will see to it that they get what they need... Again...SO appreciative of this listserv... best info around!! Bob On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:42 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: > Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to > felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Winstrol (Ardy Robertson) > > > -- > > Message: 1 >
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65
Ardy et al: Typical of vets... I went to a new one who was very pleasant and made no suggestion of putting my guy down( suggesting euthanasia is NOT typical of vets around my parts...at least no one that I would go to since I ask a LOT of people before I go) My guy ( Yogi's) Blood work is normal at this point but this was via a phone message and I want a copy of the values One thing I HAVE noticed ,even about the "nice" vets who don't immediately suggest euthanasia is that they do NOT encourage experimenting with supplements and meds that might extend lifespan. This vet, while pleasant suggested I not treat any of his current ills and just " love him and feed him well until his time comes" ( though did suggest mirtazapine to stimulate his appetite ( he's not a good eater)... She said he " looked good" as yet. BTW... I am retired and on a VERY limited income so I have to be quite careful as to the money I spend I had not budgeted for pets when I retired... didn't really expect that I would have any more after my dog died but volunteering at the shelter I simply didn't feel right that all these animals had no homes and here _I_ was WITH a home and not offering it to a needy animal... Without going into detail , my own life expectancy is not all that long and I wanted to adopt an animal that would not outlive me These guys most likely will not but that does not mean that I want them NOT to have a chance at a long lifeSo... I am taking whatever steps I can to keep them healthy I just WISH they would eat wet food or even HUMAN food!! I have NEVER had a cat ( and I've had quite a few throughout my life) that turned their nose up at table foodHeck..they would kill each other for who got the dropped piece of chicken!! These guys lose interest in ANYTHING I give them ( except when they think they are getting away with something : ) So now I "accidently" drop food on the floor quite a bit and they eat it upBUT... they will not eat it if I add ANY form of supplementso I've got to grab them a couple to three times a day and administer everything via dropper and slosh the enisyl ( Lysine) across their mouths and paws They are easy to give eye drops to and I can get very small pills into them without losing all the skin on my hands and forearms but it's getting weary having to _ catch_ them now that I am the _ medicine_ guy to them ( if they were more food hounds I would have a lot more positive creds as the fellow who feeds them but they are just cats who eat to live...don't even go crazy for treats makes things a bit more of a challenge but... like all of you... I adore them and will see to it that they get what they need... Again...SO appreciative of this listserv... best info around!! Bob On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 11:42 PM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Winstrol (Ardy Robertson) -- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 22:41:59 -0500 From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Message-ID: <016301d1b0b7$3c75c570$b5615050$@centurytel.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Bob, After having just gone through this with my Tigger, I wholeheartedly agree with the treatment options Amani is outlining. And better to get started very very soon! Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 7:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol Hi Bob As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I can only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided. If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is low and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may help reduce any inflammation and that may help.
