Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Sharyl]

Thanks for the feedback Chris.  That is so encouraging to read.  I'll talk to 
the vet today about vaccinating Pequita when Stormie gets her booster.  
Sharyl

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Chris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 10:58 AM








My Tucson wasn’t diagnosed until she was 4 -5 years old.  She’d been around my 
other 3 all their lives and nobody ever tested positive.  They eat together, 
groom each other, use the same litter boxes, and have had those occasional 
scuffles that drew blood.  To be honest, I’m more careful about exposing her 
and Romeo, my other FELV+, to the neg cats when they’re sick.  I think the pos 
ones are the ones at greater risk.  I did vaccinate my negs when I found out 
Tucson was pos, don’t do it every year though.  And my vet is another one who 
always likes to double check their neg status whenever one gets sick with 
something a little different.  No one has ever shown up positive.  
 
Christiane Biagi
914-632-4672
Cell:  914-720-6888
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
 




Thanks Tonya.  That is reassuring to hear.  Sissy and Rocket so want out of the 
bedroom.  
Sharyl

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 1:06 AM


Sharyl,

 

I have vaccinated my negatives.  Yearly at first, and now every 3 years.  I do 
not separate.  Mine have been mixed going on about 15 years now and I've never 
had transmission.  All my sick cats always get retested by my doubting vet, and 
they are always negative!

t

Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






MC, I read the Merck info when Sissy and Rocket, now 9 mo. old, 1st tested 
positive.    What concerns me is the last statement

"Uninfected cats in a household with infected cats should be vaccinated; 
however, other means of protecting uninfected cats (eg, physical separation) 
should also be used. Constant exposure to FeLV-infected cats is likely to 
result in viral transmission regardless of vaccination status."

 

My Pequita, going on 16, was dx with CRF 2 1/2 yrs ago.  Since then the only 
vaccine she has gotten is rabies.   I'm taking Stormie, a 10 mo. old negative 
rescue, in for her FeLV booster shot Monday.   I'll talk to the vet then about 
a booster for Pequita.  

 

Rocket is thriving and is asymptomatic.  Sissy has had enlarged lymph nodes 
since her rescue in Feb.    The swelling has gone down since she was spayed and 
I had her baby molars removed.  My concern for Pequita and Stormie needing her 
follow up booster are the main reasons they are quarantined in the bedroom.  
Tiki, my healthy 4 yr old, is current on her FeLV boosters. 

 

The babes are quarantined in a dog crate in my garage at night and an outside 
cat enclosure during the day.  I was concerned about them stressing Sissy and 
Rocket.  I had the babies in their bathroom the 1st night and it seemed to 
upset them.  Right now I have 9 cats on 5 different diets.  Starting to wear me 
out but you do what you have to.

 

It appears mine got FeLV by nursing from an infected Mother since Stormie from 
the same colony tested negative.   

 

To be honest I can not afford to test the cats I will be TNRing.  I can make 
sure they don't have any more kittens thereby preventing infected kittens.  And 
I can make sure they eat well.  I will not PTS a cat who appears to be 
healthy.  It took 3 visits to the vet with Sissy and Rocket before they 
believed me that these girls were not going to be PTS and they might as well 
start folders for them. 

Thanks again for the info. 

Sharyl

   

--- On Sun, 7/20/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 5:53 PM


unfortunately, not enough vets know as much as they really ought to. many, many 
times i wish that i knew MORE, because i am NOT a vet, i am NOT a virologist, 
and just do my best to make the things i've found clearer to others--and hope 
that those who know more than i do, will do likewise!

i think that EVERYONE who has a FeLV, and who knows one, or who ever has loved 
one, needs to play out copies of--of have the url to tattooed where they can 
show it everyone--the most recent merck manual, where they've got the most 
up-to-date figures about how many cats do NOT remain viremic after 
exposure. shelters, rescues, vets, people who claim to follow alley cat 
allies' poli

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Sharyl]

MC,
"and my original question to you that started this: "what did you mean by 
"tested?!"
 
Sissy and Rocket had the serum ELISA  test when first rescued and again 4 
months later when spayed.  All 4 results were positive.  I added Mega C Plus to 
their mix of supplements in late April and do not intent to retest for 6 months 
using the IFA test.  Since the high priced local vet charges $46 for the ELISA 
test I have to limit the amount of testing I do.  I haven't asked for a quote 
on the cost of the IFA test.  
 
Both had low normal HCT and potassium levels when they were spayed.  I have 
since added Super B complex, folic acid and potassium gluconate to the 
supplement mix.
 
No idea what test the low cost spay vet used on baby Mattie.  Guessing saliva 
ELISA since the cost was just $20.
 
Is this the updated vaccine guidelines you were referencing?
"WSAVA Vaccination Guideline Group (VGG) 
The VGG was convened in order to develop guidelines for the vaccination of dogs 
and cats that have global applications. The VGG recognizes that the keeping of 
pet small animals is subject to significant variation in practice and 
associated economics throughout the world, and that vaccination recommendations 
that might apply to a developed country, amy or may not be appropriate for a 
developing country. Despite this, the VGG strongly recommends that wherever 
possible, ALL dogs and cats receive the benefit of vaccination. This not only 
protects the individual animal, but provides optimum "herd immunity" that 
minimizes the likelihood of outbreak of infectious disease.
With this in mind, the SAC and VGG has developed the attached Guidelines for 
the Vaccination of Dogs and Cats to assist veterinarians throughout the world 
in developing vaccination strategies based on disease incidence and sound 
immunological principles, bothe of which are covered in the Guideline text. 
These Guidelines also contain information on vaccination in the shelter 
environment and have been published in the Journal of Small Animal Practice: 
Day MJ, Horzinek MC, Schultz RD. Guidelines for the vaccination of dogs and 
cats: Compiled by the Vaccination Guidelines Group (VGG) of the World Small 
Animal Veterinary Association (WSAVA). J Sm Anim Pract 2007;48(9):528-541. 

Unique to the Guidelines published here on the WSAVA website are a series of 
disease summary sheets and a Frequently Asked Question (FAQ) section for added 
reader benefit.

Vaccine Guidelines 2007 (PDF) "
 
Sharyl
 

--- On Sun, 7/20/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 7:24 PM



yes, it's true, TRANSMISSION will probably occur--but transmission is not the 
same as INFECTION--that's where the 70% figure, the 95% efficacy rate of the 
vaccine comes in, and the lack of any evidence that truly negative vaccinated 
cats have ever actually stayed positive.

all of the professional sites--the merck, the vet schools, etc. are decidedly 
less optimistic than most of us with FeLVs would like, but it makes sense. they 
have to be; they are scientists, they rely on data--

and as i keep repeating, it's been almost impossible to do research when the 
preferred line of treatment for your test population is euthanasia.

back in 03, i think, i asked why no one was doing any research on the "captive" 
populations of FIVs and FeLVs that DID exist in the country--at that time, 
there were basically three sanctuaries as options. all three had had the same 
experiences, on a larger scale, as individual caretakers found, with both FIVs 
and FeLVs--but no one ever asked any of them. clearly, invasive or abusive 
research techniques wouldn't have been allowed by anyone, but bloodwork that 
might have shown what strains of the viruses were present? reactions to 
supplements, treatments, etc? wow, there these populations were--why didn't 
anyone take advantage of them?? 

i was told that the only chance, really, was to get a drug company convinced 
that they could somehow use the information to make money someday--that there 
just wasn't enough research funding available to do such studies just because 
it was the right thing to do.. i don't remember what questions i asked her 
back then (it was one of the vets from marvistavet.com, because i was a chat 
host at VIN at the time), but she said they were really good ones. i think 
some of them HAVE been answered since--maybe i'll try to find it

but yeah, the scientists are NOT going to say it's so until they've got data to 
back it up we need to pay attention, tho to what actually is 
SAID--"transmission" v "infection," in this case; "most cats" v "all cats," and 
my original question to you that star

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Chris]

My Tucson wasn't diagnosed until she was 4 -5 years old.  She'd been around
my other 3 all their lives and nobody ever tested positive.  They eat
together, groom each other, use the same litter boxes, and have had those
occasional scuffles that drew blood.  To be honest, I'm more careful about
exposing her and Romeo, my other FELV+, to the neg cats when they're sick.
I think the pos ones are the ones at greater risk.  I did vaccinate my negs
when I found out Tucson was pos, don't do it every year though.  And my vet
is another one who always likes to double check their neg status whenever
one gets sick with something a little different.  No one has ever shown up
positive.  

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

 


Thanks Tonya.  That is reassuring to hear.  Sissy and Rocket so want out of
the bedroom.  

Sharyl

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 1:06 AM

Sharyl,

 

I have vaccinated my negatives.  Yearly at first, and now every 3 years.  I
do not separate.  Mine have been mixed going on about 15 years now and I've
never had transmission.  All my sick cats always get retested by my doubting
vet, and they are always negative!

t

Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


MC, I read the Merck info when Sissy and Rocket, now 9 mo. old, 1st tested
positive.What concerns me is the last statement

"Uninfected cats in a household with infected cats should be vaccinated;
however, other means of protecting uninfected cats (eg, physical separation)
should also be used. Constant exposure to FeLV-infected cats is likely to
result in viral transmission regardless of vaccination status."

 

My Pequita, going on 16, was dx with CRF 2 1/2 yrs ago.  Since then the only
vaccine she has gotten is rabies.   I'm taking Stormie, a 10 mo. old
negative rescue, in for her FeLV booster shot Monday.   I'll talk to the vet
then about a booster for Pequita.  

 

Rocket is thriving and is asymptomatic.  Sissy has had enlarged lymph nodes
since her rescue in Feb.The swelling has gone down since she was spayed
and I had her baby molars removed.  My concern for Pequita and Stormie
needing her follow up booster are the main reasons they are quarantined in
the bedroom.  Tiki, my healthy 4 yr old, is current on her FeLV boosters. 

 

The babes are quarantined in a dog crate in my garage at night and an
outside cat enclosure during the day.  I was concerned about them stressing
Sissy and Rocket.  I had the babies in their bathroom the 1st night and it
seemed to upset them.  Right now I have 9 cats on 5 different diets.
Starting to wear me out but you do what you have to.

 

It appears mine got FeLV by nursing from an infected Mother since Stormie
from the same colony tested negative.   

 

To be honest I can not afford to test the cats I will be TNRing.  I can make
sure they don't have any more kittens thereby preventing infected kittens.
And I can make sure they eat well.  I will not PTS a cat who appears to be
healthy.  It took 3 visits to the vet with Sissy and Rocket before they
believed me that these girls were not going to be PTS and they might as well
start folders for them. 

Thanks again for the info. 

Sharyl

   

--- On Sun, 7/20/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 5:53 PM

unfortunately, not enough vets know as much as they really ought to. many,
many times i wish that i knew MORE, because i am NOT a vet, i am NOT a
virologist, and just do my best to make the things i've found clearer to
others--and hope that those who know more than i do, will do likewise!

i think that EVERYONE who has a FeLV, and who knows one, or who ever has
loved one, needs to play out copies of--of have the url to tattooed where
they can show it everyone--the most recent merck manual, where they've got
the most up-to-date figures about how many cats do NOT remain viremic after
exposure. shelters, rescues, vets, people who claim to follow alley cat
allies' policy yet in practice test all cats and then KILL felvs (yet brag
about the FeLVs they have at home): there are no excuses for ignorance, and
now that the anecdotal info that the brave people who came before us is
reaching the mainstream, ignorance about FeLV is a CHOICE when made by
professionals, veterinary or rescue. 

here's that link again, and while i DO get tired of posting it, oh, well, if
i don't (an

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Sharyl]

Thanks Tonya.  That is reassuring to hear.  Sissy and Rocket so want out of the 
bedroom.  
Sharyl

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 21, 2008, 1:06 AM



Sharyl,
 
I have vaccinated my negatives.  Yearly at first, and now every 3 years.  I do 
not separate.  Mine have been mixed going on about 15 years now and I've never 
had transmission.  All my sick cats always get retested by my doubting vet, and 
they are always negative!
t

Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





MC, I read the Merck info when Sissy and Rocket, now 9 mo. old, 1st tested 
positive.    What concerns me is the last statement
"Uninfected cats in a household with infected cats should be vaccinated; 
however, other means of protecting uninfected cats (eg, physical separation) 
should also be used. Constant exposure to FeLV-infected cats is likely to 
result in viral transmission regardless of vaccination status."
 
My Pequita, going on 16, was dx with CRF 2 1/2 yrs ago.  Since then the only 
vaccine she has gotten is rabies.   I'm taking Stormie, a 10 mo. old negative 
rescue, in for her FeLV booster shot Monday.   I'll talk to the vet then about 
a booster for Pequita.  
 
Rocket is thriving and is asymptomatic.  Sissy has had enlarged lymph nodes 
since her rescue in Feb.    The swelling has gone down since she was spayed and 
I had her baby molars removed.  My concern for Pequita and Stormie needing her 
follow up booster are the main reasons they are quarantined in the bedroom.  
Tiki, my healthy 4 yr old, is current on her FeLV boosters. 
 
The babes are quarantined in a dog crate in my garage at night and an outside 
cat enclosure during the day.  I was concerned about them stressing Sissy and 
Rocket.  I had the babies in their bathroom the 1st night and it seemed to 
upset them.  Right now I have 9 cats on 5 different diets.  Starting to wear me 
out but you do what you have to.
 
It appears mine got FeLV by nursing from an infected Mother since Stormie from 
the same colony tested negative.   
 
To be honest I can not afford to test the cats I will be TNRing.  I can make 
sure they don't have any more kittens thereby preventing infected kittens.  And 
I can make sure they eat well.  I will not PTS a cat who appears to be 
healthy.  It took 3 visits to the vet with Sissy and Rocket before they 
believed me that these girls were not going to be PTS and they might as well 
start folders for them. 
Thanks again for the info. 
Sharyl
   

--- On Sun, 7/20/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 5:53 PM



unfortunately, not enough vets know as much as they really ought to. many, many 
times i wish that i knew MORE, because i am NOT a vet, i am NOT a virologist, 
and just do my best to make the things i've found clearer to others--and hope 
that those who know more than i do, will do likewise!

i think that EVERYONE who has a FeLV, and who knows one, or who ever has loved 
one, needs to play out copies of--of have the url to tattooed where they can 
show it everyone--the most recent merck manual, where they've got the most 
up-to-date figures about how many cats do NOT remain viremic after 
exposure. shelters, rescues, vets, people who claim to follow alley cat 
allies' policy yet in practice test all cats and then KILL felvs (yet brag 
about the FeLVs they have at home): there are no excuses for ignorance, and now 
that the anecdotal info that the brave people who came before us is reaching 
the mainstream, ignorance about FeLV is a CHOICE when made by professionals, 
veterinary or rescue. 

here's that link again, and while i DO get tired of posting it, oh, well, if i 
don't (and you don't, and you don't, and you, there, over in the corner 
snuggling with your cute little FeLV baby, don't), no one else will.) The 
Merck Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases: 
Introduction 

do you have other cats? (yeah, i know, i could go back and reread everything, 
but.) are you isolating the little ones because of their FeLV status, or 
presumed status? are the older ones vaccinated against FeLV? if so, you really 
don't have to worry about them mixing with the young ones if the adults are 
healthy as the old-timers on this list can tell you, so far no one has been 
able to find a single, documented case of a TRUE negative (tested at least 
twice, with enough time for exposure and seroconversion times taken into 
consideration) becoming positive from LIVING with (closely, not just breathing 
on in passing) a TRUE positive (as above; testing positive over time, using at 
least tw

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[MaryChristine]

yep, that's that anecdotal stuff i was referring to.

why won't anyone ask the people who have BEEN there, i wonder???

and that whole, vaccinated positives living really long lives, is STILL one
i'd like to see researched. too many of the people here can attest to
that, which is absolutely contradictory to everything published so far.



On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:06 AM, catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sharyl,
>
> I have vaccinated my negatives.  Yearly at first, and now every 3 years.  I
> do not separate.  Mine have been mixed going on about 15 years now and I've
> never had transmission.  All my sick cats always get retested by my doubting
> vet, and they are always negative!
> t
>
>
> *Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
>   MC, I read the Merck info when Sissy and Rocket, now 9 mo. old, 1st
> tested positive.What concerns me is the last statement
> "Uninfected cats in a household with infected cats should be vaccinated;
> however, other means of protecting uninfected cats (eg, physical separation)
> should also be used. Constant exposure to FeLV-infected cats is likely to
> result in viral transmission regardless of vaccination status."
>
> My Pequita, going on 16, was dx with CRF 2 1/2 yrs ago.  Since then the
> only vaccine she has gotten is rabies.   I'm taking Stormie, a 10 mo. old
> negative rescue, in for her FeLV booster shot Monday.   I'll talk to the vet
> then about a booster for Pequita.
>
> Rocket is thriving and is asymptomatic.  Sissy has had enlarged lymph nodes
> since her rescue in Feb.The swelling has gone down since she was spayed
> and I had her baby molars removed.  My concern for Pequita and Stormie
> needing her follow up booster are the main reasons they are quarantined in
> the bedroom.  Tiki, my healthy 4 yr old, is current on her FeLV boosters.
>
> The babes are quarantined in a dog crate in my garage at night and an
> outside cat enclosure during the day.  I was concerned about them stressing
> Sissy and Rocket.  I had the babies in their bathroom the 1st night and it
> seemed to upset them.  Right now I have 9 cats on 5 different diets.
> Starting to wear me out but you do what you have to.
>
> It appears mine got FeLV by nursing from an infected Mother since Stormie
> from the same colony tested negative.
>
> To be honest I can not afford to test the cats I will be TNRing.  I can
> make sure they don't have any more kittens thereby preventing infected
> kittens.  And I can make sure they eat well.  I will not PTS a cat who
> appears to be healthy.  It took 3 visits to the vet with Sissy and Rocket
> before they believed me that these girls were not going to be PTS and they
> might as well start folders for them.
> Thanks again for the info.
> Sharyl
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 7/20/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 5:53 PM
>
>  unfortunately, not enough vets know as much as they really ought to.
> many, many times i wish that i knew MORE, because i am NOT a vet, i am NOT a
> virologist, and just do my best to make the things i've found clearer to
> others--and hope that those who know more than i do, will do likewise!
>
> i think that EVERYONE who has a FeLV, and who knows one, or who ever has
> loved one, needs to play out copies of--of have the url to tattooed where
> they can show it everyone--the most recent merck manual, where they've got
> the most up-to-date figures about how many cats do NOT remain viremic after
> exposure. shelters, rescues, vets, people who claim to follow alley cat
> allies' policy yet in practice test all cats and then KILL felvs (yet brag
> about the FeLVs they have at home): there are no excuses for ignorance, and
> now that the anecdotal info that the brave people who came before us is
> reaching the mainstream, ignorance about FeLV is a CHOICE when made by
> professionals, veterinary or rescue.
>
> here's that link again, and while i DO get tired of posting it, oh, well,
> if i don't (and you don't, and you don't, and you, there, over in the corner
> snuggling with your cute little FeLV baby, don't), no one else will.) The
> Merck Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases:
> Introduction<http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htm&word=feline%2cleukemia>
>
> do you have other cats? (yeah, i know, i could go back and reread
> everything, but.) are you isolating the little ones because of their
> FeLV status, or presumed status? are th

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[catatonya]

Sharyl,
   
  I have vaccinated my negatives.  Yearly at first, and now every 3 years.  I 
do not separate.  Mine have been mixed going on about 15 years now and I've 
never had transmission.  All my sick cats always get retested by my doubting 
vet, and they are always negative!
  t

Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
MC, I read the Merck info when Sissy and Rocket, now 9 mo. old, 1st 
tested positive.What concerns me is the last statement
  "Uninfected cats in a household with infected cats should be vaccinated; 
however, other means of protecting uninfected cats (eg, physical separation) 
should also be used. Constant exposure to FeLV-infected cats is likely to 
result in viral transmission regardless of vaccination status."
   
  My Pequita, going on 16, was dx with CRF 2 1/2 yrs ago.  Since then the only 
vaccine she has gotten is rabies.   I'm taking Stormie, a 10 mo. old negative 
rescue, in for her FeLV booster shot Monday.   I'll talk to the vet then about 
a booster for Pequita.  
   
  Rocket is thriving and is asymptomatic.  Sissy has had enlarged lymph nodes 
since her rescue in Feb.The swelling has gone down since she was spayed and 
I had her baby molars removed.  My concern for Pequita and Stormie needing her 
follow up booster are the main reasons they are quarantined in the bedroom.  
Tiki, my healthy 4 yr old, is current on her FeLV boosters. 
   
  The babes are quarantined in a dog crate in my garage at night and an outside 
cat enclosure during the day.  I was concerned about them stressing Sissy and 
Rocket.  I had the babies in their bathroom the 1st night and it seemed to 
upset them.  Right now I have 9 cats on 5 different diets.  Starting to wear me 
out but you do what you have to.
   
  It appears mine got FeLV by nursing from an infected Mother since Stormie 
from the same colony tested negative.   
   
  To be honest I can not afford to test the cats I will be TNRing.  I can make 
sure they don't have any more kittens thereby preventing infected kittens.  And 
I can make sure they eat well.  I will not PTS a cat who appears to be healthy. 
 It took 3 visits to the vet with Sissy and Rocket before they believed me that 
these girls were not going to be PTS and they might as well start folders for 
them. 
  Thanks again for the info. 
  Sharyl
 

--- On Sun, 7/20/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 5:53 PM

unfortunately, not enough vets know as much as they really ought to. many, 
many times i wish that i knew MORE, because i am NOT a vet, i am NOT a 
virologist, and just do my best to make the things i've found clearer to 
others--and hope that those who know more than i do, will do likewise!

i think that EVERYONE who has a FeLV, and who knows one, or who ever has loved 
one, needs to play out copies of--of have the url to tattooed where they can 
show it everyone--the most recent merck manual, where they've got the most 
up-to-date figures about how many cats do NOT remain viremic after 
exposure. shelters, rescues, vets, people who claim to follow alley cat 
allies' policy yet in practice test all cats and then KILL felvs (yet brag 
about the FeLVs they have at home): there are no excuses for ignorance, and now 
that the anecdotal info that the brave people who came before us is reaching 
the mainstream, ignorance about FeLV is a CHOICE when made by professionals, 
veterinary or rescue. 

here's that link again, and while i DO get tired of posting it, oh, well, if i 
don't (and you don't, and you don't, and you, there, over in the corner 
snuggling with your cute little FeLV baby, don't), no one else will.) The 
Merck Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases: 
Introduction 

do you have other cats? (yeah, i know, i could go back and reread everything, 
but.) are you isolating the little ones because of their FeLV status, or 
presumed status? are the older ones vaccinated against FeLV? if so, you really 
don't have to worry about them mixing with the young ones if the adults are 
healthy as the old-timers on this list can tell you, so far no one has been 
able to find a single, documented case of a TRUE negative (tested at least 
twice, with enough time for exposure and seroconversion times taken into 
consideration) becoming positive from LIVING with (closely, not just breathing 
on in passing) a TRUE positive (as above; testing positive over time, using at 
least two kinds of tests). current vaccination efficacy rates at 95% (yes, i am 
trying to find WHERE that figure is hiding in my hard drive; i know it was 
susan little, dvm, of the winn feline foundation, that gave that figure to a 
cat-health list in the past two or three years. many places
 

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Debbie Harrison]

Ohai, MaryChristine...I'm happy that you posted the website yet again...it's 
the first time I have seen it!  You rock, mai fondue fren!Debbie (COL)"You 
gotta bloom where you're planted!"

Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:53:49 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
unfortunately, not enough vets know as much as they really ought to. many, many 
times i wish that i knew MORE, because i am NOT a vet, i am NOT a virologist, 
and just do my best to make the things i've found clearer to others--and hope 
that those who know more than i do, will do likewise!i think that EVERYONE who 
has a FeLV, and who knows one, or who ever has loved one, needs to play out 
copies of--of have the url to tattooed where they can show it everyone--the 
most recent merck manual, where they've got the most up-to-date figures about 
how many cats do NOT remain viremic after exposure. shelters, rescues, 
vets, people who claim to follow alley cat allies' policy yet in practice test 
all cats and then KILL felvs (yet brag about the FeLVs they have at home): 
there are no excuses for ignorance, and now that the anecdotal info that the 
brave people who came before us is reaching the mainstream, ignorance about 
FeLV is a CHOICE when made by professionals, veterinary or rescue. here's that 
link again, and while i DO get tired of posting it, oh, well, if i don't (and 
you don't, and you don't, and you, there, over in the corner snuggling with 
your cute little FeLV baby, don't), no one else will.) The Merck Veterinary 
Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases: Introduction do you have 
other cats? (yeah, i know, i could go back and reread everything, but.) are 
you isolating the little ones because of their FeLV status, or presumed status? 
are the older ones vaccinated against FeLV? if so, you really don't have to 
worry about them mixing with the young ones if the adults are healthy as 
the old-timers on this list can tell you, so far no one has been able to find a 
single, documented case of a TRUE negative (tested at least twice, with enough 
time for exposure and seroconversion times taken into consideration) becoming 
positive from LIVING with (closely, not just breathing on in passing) a TRUE 
positive (as above; testing positive over time, using at least two kinds of 
tests). current vaccination efficacy rates at 95% (yes, i am trying to find 
WHERE that figure is hiding in my hard drive; i know it was susan little, dvm, 
of the winn feline foundation, that gave that figure to a cat-health list in 
the past two or three years. many places state--not always with any proof or 
citation--that cats seem to develop a natural immunity to the FeLV virus around 
the age of one year, and with the KNOWN high percentage quoted in the merck re: 
ability to remain or become negative after exposure, anyone can see how 
miniscule the risk is for a vaccinated cat.is there a risk? of course there is. 
is it a higher risk than the same negative cat is going to have some genetic 
defect in its own history you have no knowledge of? i'm starting to think the 
latter is a much higher probabilityyou might want to talk with some of the 
folks who have positives running around their houses with the rest, now and in 
the past, and see why they made that decisioni wish that i could tell you 
that these little ones will, indeed, throw off the virus on their own and be as 
adoptable as any others. kittens with FeLV still appear to have less of a 
chance at a long life than those infected later in life, but we don't know 
enough to say why, and which ones have the best chance, nor what we can do to 
ensure that they get that absolute best chance. thank you for loving them. 
that's the best gift of all, anyway.MC
On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:





Thanks MC for explaining the ELISHA test.  I had Mattie tested when her Mom. 
Daisy, was spayed.  A lady here on the Eastern Shore drives up to MD once a 
month to a vet who does low cost spaying for rescues.   She doesn't know 
anything about FeLV and just relayed the vets comments.  
 
Sissy and Rocket have had two ELISHA tests 4 months apart.  When I 1st rescued 
them and again when they were spayed.  Since they were FeLV+ I went with the 
local high cost vet for the spaying.   Didn't want them stressed any more than 
necessary.  I plan to have the IFA test done late this yr.  Both are currently 
the picture of health and tired of being quarantined in the bedroom.  
 
I have read the info on the Ally Cats web site.  I agree that healthy cats 
should not be PTS.  The Yahoo Rescue group I belong to feels that TNR kitties 
should not be tested as long as they are healthy when spayed/neutered.   Like 
the military 'don't ask, don't tell' philosophy.  The exception is any cat

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[MaryChristine]

 The swelling has gone down since she was spayed
> and I had her baby molars removed.  My concern for Pequita and Stormie
> needing her follow up booster are the main reasons they are quarantined in
> the bedroom.  Tiki, my healthy 4 yr old, is current on her FeLV boosters.
>
>
>
> The babes are quarantined in a dog crate in my garage at night and an
> outside cat enclosure during the day.  I was concerned about them stressing
> Sissy and Rocket.  I had the babies in their bathroom the 1st night and it
> seemed to upset them.  Right now I have 9 cats on 5 different diets.
> Starting to wear me out but you do what you have to.
>
>
>
> It appears mine got FeLV by nursing from an infected Mother since Stormie
> from the same colony tested negative.
>
>
>
> To be honest I can not afford to test the cats I will be TNRing.  I can
> make sure they don't have any more kittens thereby preventing infected
> kittens.  And I can make sure they eat well.  I will not PTS a cat who
> appears to be healthy.  It took 3 visits to the vet with Sissy and Rocket
> before they believed me that these girls were not going to be PTS and they
> might as well start folders for them.
>
> Thanks again for the info.
>
> Sharyl
>
>
>
> --- On *Sun, 7/20/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 5:53 PM
>
>
>  unfortunately, not enough vets know as much as they really ought to.
> many, many times i wish that i knew MORE, because i am NOT a vet, i am NOT a
> virologist, and just do my best to make the things i've found clearer to
> others--and hope that those who know more than i do, will do likewise!
>
> i think that EVERYONE who has a FeLV, and who knows one, or who ever has
> loved one, needs to play out copies of--of have the url to tattooed where
> they can show it everyone--the most recent merck manual, where they've got
> the most up-to-date figures about how many cats do NOT remain viremic after
> exposure. shelters, rescues, vets, people who claim to follow alley cat
> allies' policy yet in practice test all cats and then KILL felvs (yet brag
> about the FeLVs they have at home): there are no excuses for ignorance, and
> now that the anecdotal info that the brave people who came before us is
> reaching the mainstream, ignorance about FeLV is a CHOICE when made by
> professionals, veterinary or rescue.
>
> here's that link again, and while i DO get tired of posting it, oh, well,
> if i don't (and you don't, and you don't, and you, there, over in the corner
> snuggling with your cute little FeLV baby, don't), no one else will.) The
> Merck Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases:
> Introduction<http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htm&word=feline%2cleukemia>
>
> do you have other cats? (yeah, i know, i could go back and reread
> everything, but.) are you isolating the little ones because of their
> FeLV status, or presumed status? are the older ones vaccinated against FeLV?
> if so, you really don't have to worry about them mixing with the young ones
> if the adults are healthy as the old-timers on this list can tell you,
> so far no one has been able to find a single, documented case of a TRUE
> negative (tested at least twice, with enough time for exposure and
> seroconversion times taken into consideration) becoming positive from LIVING
> with (closely, not just breathing on in passing) a TRUE positive (as above;
> testing positive over time, using at least two kinds of tests). current
> vaccination efficacy rates at 95% (yes, i am trying to find WHERE that
> figure is hiding in my hard drive; i know it was susan little, dvm, of the
> winn feline foundation, that gave that figure to a cat-health list in the
> past two or three years. many places state--not always with any proof or
> citation--that cats seem to develop a natural immunity to the FeLV virus
> around the age of one year, and with the KNOWN high percentage quoted in the
> merck re: ability to remain or become negative after exposure, anyone can
> see how miniscule the risk is for a vaccinated cat.
>
> is there a risk? of course there is. is it a higher risk than the same
> negative cat is going to have some genetic defect in its own history you
> have no knowledge of? i'm starting to think the latter is a much higher
> probability
>
> you might want to talk with some of the folks who have positives running
> around their houses with the rest, now and in the past, and see why they
> made that decis

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Sharyl]

MC, I read the Merck info when Sissy and Rocket, now 9 mo. old, 1st tested 
positive.    What concerns me is the last statement
"Uninfected cats in a household with infected cats should be vaccinated; 
however, other means of protecting uninfected cats (eg, physical separation) 
should also be used. Constant exposure to FeLV-infected cats is likely to 
result in viral transmission regardless of vaccination status."
 
My Pequita, going on 16, was dx with CRF 2 1/2 yrs ago.  Since then the only 
vaccine she has gotten is rabies.   I'm taking Stormie, a 10 mo. old negative 
rescue, in for her FeLV booster shot Monday.   I'll talk to the vet then about 
a booster for Pequita.  
 
Rocket is thriving and is asymptomatic.  Sissy has had enlarged lymph nodes 
since her rescue in Feb.    The swelling has gone down since she was spayed and 
I had her baby molars removed.  My concern for Pequita and Stormie needing her 
follow up booster are the main reasons they are quarantined in the bedroom.  
Tiki, my healthy 4 yr old, is current on her FeLV boosters. 
 
The babes are quarantined in a dog crate in my garage at night and an outside 
cat enclosure during the day.  I was concerned about them stressing Sissy and 
Rocket.  I had the babies in their bathroom the 1st night and it seemed to 
upset them.  Right now I have 9 cats on 5 different diets.  Starting to wear me 
out but you do what you have to.
 
It appears mine got FeLV by nursing from an infected Mother since Stormie from 
the same colony tested negative.   
 
To be honest I can not afford to test the cats I will be TNRing.  I can make 
sure they don't have any more kittens thereby preventing infected kittens.  And 
I can make sure they eat well.  I will not PTS a cat who appears to be 
healthy.  It took 3 visits to the vet with Sissy and Rocket before they 
believed me that these girls were not going to be PTS and they might as well 
start folders for them. 
Thanks again for the info. 
Sharyl
   

--- On Sun, 7/20/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, July 20, 2008, 5:53 PM



unfortunately, not enough vets know as much as they really ought to. many, many 
times i wish that i knew MORE, because i am NOT a vet, i am NOT a virologist, 
and just do my best to make the things i've found clearer to others--and hope 
that those who know more than i do, will do likewise!

i think that EVERYONE who has a FeLV, and who knows one, or who ever has loved 
one, needs to play out copies of--of have the url to tattooed where they can 
show it everyone--the most recent merck manual, where they've got the most 
up-to-date figures about how many cats do NOT remain viremic after 
exposure. shelters, rescues, vets, people who claim to follow alley cat 
allies' policy yet in practice test all cats and then KILL felvs (yet brag 
about the FeLVs they have at home): there are no excuses for ignorance, and now 
that the anecdotal info that the brave people who came before us is reaching 
the mainstream, ignorance about FeLV is a CHOICE when made by professionals, 
veterinary or rescue. 

here's that link again, and while i DO get tired of posting it, oh, well, if i 
don't (and you don't, and you don't, and you, there, over in the corner 
snuggling with your cute little FeLV baby, don't), no one else will.) The 
Merck Veterinary Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases: 
Introduction 

do you have other cats? (yeah, i know, i could go back and reread everything, 
but.) are you isolating the little ones because of their FeLV status, or 
presumed status? are the older ones vaccinated against FeLV? if so, you really 
don't have to worry about them mixing with the young ones if the adults are 
healthy as the old-timers on this list can tell you, so far no one has been 
able to find a single, documented case of a TRUE negative (tested at least 
twice, with enough time for exposure and seroconversion times taken into 
consideration) becoming positive from LIVING with (closely, not just breathing 
on in passing) a TRUE positive (as above; testing positive over time, using at 
least two kinds of tests). current vaccination efficacy rates at 95% (yes, i am 
trying to find WHERE that figure is hiding in my hard drive; i know it was 
susan little, dvm, of the winn feline foundation, that gave that figure to a 
cat-health list in the past two or three
 years. many places state--not always with any proof or citation--that cats 
seem to develop a natural immunity to the FeLV virus around the age of one 
year, and with the KNOWN high percentage quoted in the merck re: ability to 
remain or become negative after exposure, anyone can see how miniscule the risk 
is for a vaccinated cat.

is there a risk? of course there is. is it a higher risk 

Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[MaryChristine]

a who their Mom was.
> I haven't see any likely candidates around the dumpster site.  With 3
> negative inside cats I just can't take them all in.   I think I have lined
> up a forever home for 2 of the babies, Bright Eyes and Houdini, in a home
> with FeLV+ cats.  Since Mattie is blind and Capt.CJ only has sight in one
> eye, I'll keep them.  So far I have just had Mattie tested.  No reason not
> to believe all 4 babies are positive.  I will have them tested when they are
> spayed.   Maybe, since they are no longer nursing and eating well, they can
> kick it.
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Sharyl
>
> --- On *Sat, 7/19/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 2:59 PM
>
>
>  just wondering if you are working with alley cat allies, and following
> their protocol re: testing and releasing/treating FeLV cats? my
> understanding is that they do not endorse euthanizing positive, asymptomatic
> cats, so testing daisy would only give you some health information. i
> believe they have a really good explanation for how they've come to their
> decisions re: testing--i am also very aware that their decision regarding
> this is controversial. all the of the experienced feral rescuers i know
> personally, however, whether they have specific experience with FeLV or not,
> have said the same thing: we do NOT kill healthy cats just because they
> MIGHT get sick at some point.
>
> what a concept!
>
> and also not sure what you mean when you say the cats have tested
> positive--using which tests? how far apart?
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>   I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months
>> with the goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not
>> rescue.  Of the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+.  They
>> are about 9 months old now and are doing well.  Both have test positive
>> twice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her.  The
>> kittens were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them.  I took them because 1 had
>> both eyes stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut.  The next day I was finally
>> able to trap Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier.Daisy has since
>> been spayed and released.  The babies have received one worm treatment, got
>> terramycin salve in their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their
>> food.
>>
>>
>>
>> It appears that Mattie will be blind.  She is the biggest of the 4 and
>> very feisty.   I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very
>> FeLV+.  No idea what 3 verys mean.  CJ may have some limited vision in her
>> bad eye.  Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now)
>> seem healthy.   I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food.  I am
>> looking for advice on what else I can do to help them throw off this virus.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> They will each be tested when I have them spayed.   Sissy and Rocket were
>> several months old when I rescued them.  Didn't know if starting treatments
>> earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this.   Any advise on
>> how to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>> By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and
>> Daisy, tested negative.  I did not have Daisy tested.  I knew I could not
>> afford to keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the
>> disposition to have a cat PTS simply because she is positive.   At least she
>> will not have any more litters.  There is one more sister, Mae, that I have
>> been trying to trap for TNR.
>>
>> Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Sharyl]

Thanks MC for explaining the ELISHA test.  I had Mattie tested when her Mom. 
Daisy, was spayed.  A lady here on the Eastern Shore drives up to MD once a 
month to a vet who does low cost spaying for rescues.   She doesn't know 
anything about FeLV and just relayed the vets comments.  
 
Sissy and Rocket have had two ELISHA tests 4 months apart.  When I 1st rescued 
them and again when they were spayed.  Since they were FeLV+ I went with the 
local high cost vet for the spaying.   Didn't want them stressed any more than 
necessary.  I plan to have the IFA test done late this yr.  Both are currently 
the picture of health and tired of being quarantined in the bedroom.  
 
I have read the info on the Ally Cats web site.  I agree that healthy cats 
should not be PTS.  The Yahoo Rescue group I belong to feels that TNR kitties 
should not be tested as long as they are healthy when spayed/neutered.   Like 
the military 'don't ask, don't tell' philosophy.  The exception is any cat that 
will be placed for adoption.
 
There were 5 kittens in Sissy and Rocket's litter,  One vanished.  One, 
Daisy, has been TNR and I have one, Mae, to go.  No idea who their Mom was.  I 
haven't see any likely candidates around the dumpster site.  With 3 negative 
inside cats I just can't take them all in.   I think I have lined up a forever 
home for 2 of the babies, Bright Eyes and Houdini, in a home with FeLV+ cats.  
Since Mattie is blind and Capt.CJ only has sight in one eye, I'll keep them.  
So far I have just had Mattie tested.  No reason not to believe all 4 babies 
are positive.  I will have them tested when they are spayed.   Maybe, since 
they are no longer nursing and eating well, they can kick it.
Thanks for your input.
Sharyl

--- On Sat, 7/19/08, MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: MaryChristine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, July 19, 2008, 2:59 PM



just wondering if you are working with alley cat allies, and following their 
protocol re: testing and releasing/treating FeLV cats? my understanding is that 
they do not endorse euthanizing positive, asymptomatic cats, so testing daisy 
would only give you some health information. i believe they have a really good 
explanation for how they've come to their decisions re: testing--i am also very 
aware that their decision regarding this is controversial. all the of the 
experienced feral rescuers i know personally, however, whether they have 
specific experience with FeLV or not, have said the same thing: we do NOT kill 
healthy cats just because they MIGHT get sick at some point.

what a concept!

and also not sure what you mean when you say the cats have tested 
positive--using which tests? how far apart? 


On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:






I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with the 
goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not rescue.  Of 
the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+.  They are about 9 
months old now and are doing well.  Both have test positive twice.
  
Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her.  The kittens 
were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them.  I took them because 1 had both eyes 
stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut.  The next day I was finally able to trap 
Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier.    Daisy has since been spayed and 
released.  The babies have received one worm treatment, got terramycin salve in 
their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their food.  
 
It appears that Mattie will be blind.  She is the biggest of the 4 and very 
feisty.   I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+.  No 
idea what 3 verys mean.  CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye.  
Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy.   
I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food.  I am looking for advice on 
what else I can do to help them throw off this virus.  
 
They will each be tested when I have them spayed.   Sissy and Rocket were 
several months old when I rescued them.  Didn't know if starting treatments 
earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this.   Any advise on how 
to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated.
 
By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and Daisy, 
tested negative.  I did not have Daisy tested.  I knew I could not afford to 
keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the disposition to have 
a cat PTS simply because she is positive.   At least she will not have any more 
litters.  There is one more sister, Mae, that I have been trying to trap for 
TNR.
Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies

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Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Debbie Harrison]

LOL, MCyou NOE  I lubs yu!Debbie (COL)"You gotta bloom where you're 
planted!"

Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 14:38:09 -0400From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
it IS you, i thought it was my imagination!this is my FRIEND!!! oh, 
joy, oh, happiness, oh, never mind, you guys will NEVER understand!MC
On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Debbie Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Sharyl, since I am new to this site...I can offer little in the way of advise 
right now.  I just wanted to thank you for everything you are doing for 
them!Debbie (COL)"You gotta bloom where you're planted!"

Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:21:44 -0700From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies 






I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with the 
goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not rescue.  Of 
the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+.  They are about 9 
months old now and are doing well.  Both have test positive twice.  Their 
sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her.  The kittens were 
approx. 4 weeks old when I got them.  I took them because 1 had both eyes stuck 
shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut.  The next day I was finally able to trap Daisy 
using a kitten as bait in the carrier.Daisy has since been spayed and 
released.  The babies have received one worm treatment, got terramycin salve in 
their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their food.   It appears that 
Mattie will be blind.  She is the biggest of the 4 and very feisty.   I had her 
tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+.  No idea what 3 verys 
mean.  CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye.  Bright Eyes and Houdini 
(escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy.   I am adding L-Lysine and 
Mega C Plus to their food.  I am looking for advice on what else I can do to 
help them throw off this virus.   They will each be tested when I have them 
spayed.   Sissy and Rocket were several months old when I rescued them.  Didn't 
know if starting treatments earlier would improve the odds that they could beat 
this.   Any advise on how to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be 
appreciated. By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, 
Rocket and Daisy, tested negative.  I did not have Daisy tested.  I knew I 
could not afford to keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the 
disposition to have a cat PTS simply because she is positive.   At least she 
will not have any more litters.  There is one more sister, Mae, that I have 
been trying to trap for TNR.Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies

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Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[MaryChristine]

just wondering if you are working with alley cat allies, and following their
protocol re: testing and releasing/treating FeLV cats? my understanding is
that they do not endorse euthanizing positive, asymptomatic cats, so testing
daisy would only give you some health information. i believe they have a
really good explanation for how they've come to their decisions re:
testing--i am also very aware that their decision regarding this is
controversial. all the of the experienced feral rescuers i know personally,
however, whether they have specific experience with FeLV or not, have said
the same thing: we do NOT kill healthy cats just because they MIGHT get sick
at some point.

what a concept!

and also not sure what you mean when you say the cats have tested
positive--using which tests? how far apart?

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with
> the goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not
> rescue.  Of the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+.  They
> are about 9 months old now and are doing well.  Both have test positive
> twice.
>
>
>
> Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her.  The
> kittens were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them.  I took them because 1 had
> both eyes stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut.  The next day I was finally
> able to trap Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier.Daisy has since
> been spayed and released.  The babies have received one worm treatment, got
> terramycin salve in their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their
> food.
>
>
>
> It appears that Mattie will be blind.  She is the biggest of the 4 and very
> feisty.   I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+.
> No idea what 3 verys mean.  CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye.
> Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy.
>   I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food.  I am looking for
> advice on what else I can do to help them throw off this virus.
>
>
>
> They will each be tested when I have them spayed.   Sissy and Rocket were
> several months old when I rescued them.  Didn't know if starting treatments
> earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this.   Any advise on
> how to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and
> Daisy, tested negative.  I did not have Daisy tested.  I knew I could not
> afford to keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the
> disposition to have a cat PTS simply because she is positive.   At least she
> will not have any more litters.  There is one more sister, Mae, that I have
> been trying to trap for TNR.
>
> Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[MaryChristine]

it IS you, i thought it was my imagination!

this is my FRIEND!!! oh, joy, oh, happiness, oh, never mind, you guys
will NEVER understand!

MC

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Debbie Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  Sharyl, since I am new to this site...I can offer little in the way of
> advise right now.  I just wanted to thank you for everything you are doing
> for them!
>
> Debbie (COL)
> "You gotta bloom where you're planted!"
>
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 07:21:44 -0700
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
>
>
>   I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with
> the goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not
> rescue.  Of the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+.  They
> are about 9 months old now and are doing well.  Both have test positive
> twice.
>
> Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her.  The
> kittens were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them.  I took them because 1 had
> both eyes stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut.  The next day I was finally
> able to trap Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier.Daisy has since
> been spayed and released.  The babies have received one worm treatment, got
> terramycin salve in their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their
> food.
>
> It appears that Mattie will be blind.  She is the biggest of the 4 and very
> feisty.   I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+.
> No idea what 3 verys mean.  CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye.
> Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy.
>   I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food.  I am looking for
> advice on what else I can do to help them throw off this virus.
>
> They will each be tested when I have them spayed.   Sissy and Rocket were
> several months old when I rescued them.  Didn't know if starting treatments
> earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this.   Any advise on
> how to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated.
>
> By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and
> Daisy, tested negative.  I did not have Daisy tested.  I knew I could not
> afford to keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the
> disposition to have a cat PTS simply because she is positive.   At least she
> will not have any more litters.  There is one more sister, Mae, that I have
> been trying to trap for TNR.
> Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Laura B]

Sharyl,
 
Thank you for helping these cats, I went through a very similiar situation with 
a colony around the corner from me (where my Laura came from).  It was about 50 
cats and kittens, that had been inbreeding for 10+ years before the man who was 
feeding them (he couldn't afford vet care) got removed from the house he where 
he was basically "squatting".
 
About 1/3 of the cats had FeLV, and most of them also had the herpes virus so 
we had several blind and partially blind catsit was a nightmare.  For what 
it's worth, I think you are doing the right thing, and agree with both you and 
Diane.  And again, thank you for caring for these cats.
 
Laura

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Sharyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 10:54 AM







You are right Diane.  Right now neither Daisy or Mae appear to be actively 
sick.  They are about 9 months old.  They eat, play and sun themselves like any 
other 9 mo. old kitty.  They live in the woods behind an old dumpster site and 
are the 1st to come running every afternoon at feeding time.  
Sharyl

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 10:44 AM



Sharyl --  Best wishes to you and to all these babies.  Whatever future they 
have is already brighter with you taking such good care of them.
 
About Daisy, I guess I would say that if in the future she looks like she's 
actively sick, bring her in and, if you can't afford to keep her, do the kind 
thing so she's not out there suffering.  I'm not of that disposition either but 
no matter what, they shouldn't suffer.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies







I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with the 
goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not rescue.  Of 
the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+.  They are about 9 
months old now and are doing well.  Both have test positive twice.

Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her.  The kittens 
were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them.  I took them because 1 had both eyes 
stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut.  The next day I was finally able to trap 
Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier.    Daisy has since been spayed and 
released.  The babies have received one worm treatment, got terramycin salve in 
their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their food.  
 
It appears that Mattie will be blind.  She is the biggest of the 4 and very 
feisty.   I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+.  No 
idea what 3 verys mean.  CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye.  
Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy.   
I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food.  I am looking for advice on 
what else I can do to help them throw off this virus.  
 
They will each be tested when I have them spayed.   Sissy and Rocket were 
several months old when I rescued them.  Didn't know if starting treatments 
earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this.   Any advise on how 
to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated.
 
By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and Daisy, 
tested negative.  I did not have Daisy tested.  I knew I could not afford to 
keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the disposition to have 
a cat PTS simply because she is positive.   At least she will not have any more 
litters.  There is one more sister, Mae, that I have been trying to trap for 
TNR.
Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Sharyl]

You are right Diane.  Right now neither Daisy or Mae appear to be actively 
sick.  They are about 9 months old.  They eat, play and sun themselves like any 
other 9 mo. old kitty.  They live in the woods behind an old dumpster site and 
are the 1st to come running every afternoon at feeding time.  
Sharyl

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Rosenfeldt, Diane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 10:44 AM



Sharyl --  Best wishes to you and to all these babies.  Whatever future they 
have is already brighter with you taking such good care of them.
 
About Daisy, I guess I would say that if in the future she looks like she's 
actively sick, bring her in and, if you can't afford to keep her, do the kind 
thing so she's not out there suffering.  I'm not of that disposition either but 
no matter what, they shouldn't suffer.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies







I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with the 
goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not rescue.  Of 
the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+.  They are about 9 
months old now and are doing well.  Both have test positive twice.

Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her.  The kittens 
were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them.  I took them because 1 had both eyes 
stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut.  The next day I was finally able to trap 
Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier.    Daisy has since been spayed and 
released.  The babies have received one worm treatment, got terramycin salve in 
their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their food.  
 
It appears that Mattie will be blind.  She is the biggest of the 4 and very 
feisty.   I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+.  No 
idea what 3 verys mean.  CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye.  
Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy.   
I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food.  I am looking for advice on 
what else I can do to help them throw off this virus.  
 
They will each be tested when I have them spayed.   Sissy and Rocket were 
several months old when I rescued them.  Didn't know if starting treatments 
earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this.   Any advise on how 
to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated.
 
By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and Daisy, 
tested negative.  I did not have Daisy tested.  I knew I could not afford to 
keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the disposition to have 
a cat PTS simply because she is positive.   At least she will not have any more 
litters.  There is one more sister, Mae, that I have been trying to trap for 
TNR.
Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies
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Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Sharyl --  Best wishes to you and to all these babies.  Whatever future
they have is already brighter with you taking such good care of them.
 
About Daisy, I guess I would say that if in the future she looks like
she's actively sick, bring her in and, if you can't afford to keep her,
do the kind thing so she's not out there suffering.  I'm not of that
disposition either but no matter what, they shouldn't suffer.
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 9:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies


I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with
the goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not
rescue.  Of the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+.
They are about 9 months old now and are doing well.  Both have test
positive twice.

Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her.  The
kittens were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them.  I took them because 1
had both eyes stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut.  The next day I was
finally able to trap Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier.
Daisy has since been spayed and released.  The babies have received one
worm treatment, got terramycin salve in their eyes for a week, and have
lysine added to their food.  

 

It appears that Mattie will be blind.  She is the biggest of the 4 and
very feisty.   I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very,
very FeLV+.  No idea what 3 verys mean.  CJ may have some limited vision
in her bad eye.  Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate
twice now) seem healthy.   I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their
food.  I am looking for advice on what else I can do to help them throw
off this virus.  

 

They will each be tested when I have them spayed.   Sissy and Rocket
were several months old when I rescued them.  Didn't know if starting
treatments earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this.
Any advise on how to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be
appreciated.

 

By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and
Daisy, tested negative.  I did not have Daisy tested.  I knew I could
not afford to keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the
disposition to have a cat PTS simply because she is positive.   At least
she will not have any more litters.  There is one more sister, Mae, that
I have been trying to trap for TNR.

Sharyl Sissy, Rocket and the babies



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Re: [Felvtalk] Introducing Daisy's Babies

[Debbie Harrison]

Sharyl, since I am new to this site...I can offer little in the way of advise 
right now.  I just wanted to thank you for everything you are doing for 
them!Debbie (COL)"You gotta bloom where you're planted!"

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I have been feeding a dumpster colony of kitties for several months with the 
goal of doing TNR (trap/neuter/release) for those that I can not rescue.  Of 
the 3 kittens I rescued 2, Sissy and Rocket, were FeLV+.  They are about 9 
months old now and are doing well.  Both have test positive twice.
  
Their sister, Daisy, had a litter before I was able to TNR her.  The kittens 
were approx. 4 weeks old when I got them.  I took them because 1 had both eyes 
stuck shut and 1 had 1 eye stuck shut.  The next day I was finally able to trap 
Daisy using a kitten as bait in the carrier.Daisy has since been spayed and 
released.  The babies have received one worm treatment, got terramycin salve in 
their eyes for a week, and have lysine added to their food.  
 
It appears that Mattie will be blind.  She is the biggest of the 4 and very 
feisty.   I had her tested and the vet said she was very, very, very FeLV+.  No 
idea what 3 verys mean.  CJ may have some limited vision in her bad eye.  
Bright Eyes and Houdini (escaped from the dog crate twice now) seem healthy.   
I am adding L-Lysine and Mega C Plus to their food.  I am looking for advice on 
what else I can do to help them throw off this virus.  
 
They will each be tested when I have them spayed.   Sissy and Rocket were 
several months old when I rescued them.  Didn't know if starting treatments 
earlier would improve the odds that they could beat this.   Any advise on how 
to proceed with now 5 1/2 wk old kittens would be appreciated.
 
By the way Stormie, same colony but different Mom from Sissy, Rocket and Daisy, 
tested negative.  I did not have Daisy tested.  I knew I could not afford to 
keep her if she was positive and simply do not have the disposition to have a 
cat PTS simply because she is positive.   At least she will not have any more 
litters.  There is one more sister, Mae, that I have been trying to trap for 
TNR.
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