Re: o/t blockage question
Dear Kerry: I remember reading in one of my vet books that sometimes, in extreme cases, a male kitty needs to have his plumbing surgically restructured to make the urethral opening bigger if he becomes repeatedly blocked and neither dietary modification nor any other type of therapy seems to be helping to correct the problem. Personally, I've never known anyone who had to resort to this type of drastic solution for dealing with UTI's in a male cat. I've only had one male cat who ever got blocked and had to go to the vet to be catheterized and unplugged. Since I put my cats on a raw-based diet, I've not had any more urinary problems with male or female kittys. Did the kitty in question survive the pecker-otomy and did it solve his problem in getting blocked?? Did they suggest/try any dietary modification to see if that would help before subjecting this kitty to such drastic surgery? It does seem extreme to me. Sally in San Jose
Re: o/t blockage question
That almost happened to my male non+. He had to stay at the vet's twice with a catheter. The second time for almost a week. They said if it happened again, the would probably have to "make him a girl". We were feeding Max Cat Adult at the time, due to no by-products on the label. So if I had a male, I would definitely avoid Max Cat. Could be coincidence though. He's been okay since. That was 5 or 6 years ago. So Brenda, what are you feeding Peri now? -Kyle - Original Message - From: Brenda K. Smith To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 12:36 AM Subject: Re: o/t blockage question Kerry. Removing a cat's penis is called an Urethrostomy and in my experience is only done as a last resort when a cat keeps blocking several times no matter what the treatment. In other words, as a last resort. I was a veterinary technician for many years and only assisted in one Urethrostomy on a cat who continually blocked with crystals. I could see one reason why a vet would do this procedure on a first time blocked cat and that would be if the vet had tried to force a catheter into the penis carelessly causing rupturing of the penile tissue thus destroying the penile urethra. The procedure is painstaking and doesn't always turn out well. There is sometimes bladder incontinence in the cat and UTI's. My positive cat, Peri, blocked a couple of years ago for the first time and my vet sedated him and started trying to rinse out the penis with saline solution until she could carefully insert a catheter. She then proceeded to rinse out the crystals thoroughly and then sutured the catheter into place. I was able to take him home because of my vet tech experience and give him 100 ml Lactated Ringers 3 times daily to keep flushing out the crystals. He was put on Zenequin and a short dose of Prednisone. I forget how many days he had the catheter, but I removed it when it was time. I gave him a little Ace in the muscle to relax him beforehand. I put him on Wysong Uretic, Vitamin C and he was already on Interferon daily. I read that Cosequin helps some cats from blocking. They didn't know why, but it worked for some cats so I put him on that also. I knew the signs of blocking to look for before Peri would block again. I think it was two or three more times that he was close to blocking that I caught in time and immediately started him on Prednisone and Zenequin. I continued the Lactated Ringers during this time. Finally, after stopping him from blocking for the third time I called my vet. She then put him on Amitriptyline which is a despressant. Again, it isn't known why this helps a cat to keep from blocking, but it does. I also monitor his ph levels frequently. He has had no blocking problems since the Amitriptyline. I continued the Lactated Ringers for quite some time at the recommendation of my vet. I no longer need to do this. There may be other reasons why this clinic vet did this procedure on a first time blocked cat, but I don't know what it would have been. I know I wouldn't take my cat to that clinic if I had this info and the other info you provided.-- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. Kerry MacKenzie wrote: Hi all You may rememberI sent out an email last week about a bad vet clinic in Chicago, McKillips. I sentthe same emailto a PAWS counsellor in Chicago, and she left me a message saying she'd never had a"good feeling" about that clinic, and went on to say that people who had adopted a PAWS cat in the pastrecently took the cat to McKillips. The problem was "blockage"--and McKillips recommended, and then carried out,removal of the cat's penis. Has anyone heard of such a "remedy" for "blockage"? It seems extraordinary, to put it mildly. I'd welcome any/all feedback. Thanks, Kerry No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.9.11 - Release Date: 4/14/2005
Re: o/t blockage question
They usually do that in extreme cases have they tried change of food and perscriptions? My friend had a male cat and they said they were going to do that he opted not to and they have had no problems they usually don't mention this unless there is a chronic problem. I would switch to food that they sell at the vet I used Hills cdx for a cat with chronic problems she is a female cat. I also give her solid gold berry mix which is good for urinary problem cats. Have had no problem in 2 yrs with her. She is on the hills prescription there are other formulas but she did best with this one. Also I would try corn silk tea this has worked for my cats now I use this when the cat seems to not urinate as much and then bam the cat is back to normal. You brew it and give 1/2t 3 x a day. I keep this on hand. If the cat has problems still 24hours later and not back to normal then I call the vet. BUT if the cat is not at all and straining then I would go to the vet asap. Carla From: Kerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date sent: Sun, 17 Apr 2005 20:52:55 -0500 Copies to: Subject:o/t blockage question Send reply to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hi all You may remember I sent out an email last week about a bad vet clinic in Chicago, McKillips. I sent the same email to a PAWS counsellor in Chicago, and she left me a message saying she'd never had agood feeling about that clinic, and went on to say that people who had adopted a PAWS cat in the past recently took the cat to McKillips. The problem was blockage--and McKillips recommended, and then carried out, removal of the cat's penis. Has anyone heard of such a remedy for blockage? It seems extraordinary, to put it mildly. I'd welcome any/all feedback. Thanks, Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: Re: fwd of Best Friends.org guest speaker about FELV Hideyo, sorry I just got this email now. Did you get the packet from Nina's vet? I don't think my vet used it, but it is the easiest way to go. Your vet just sends in a letter to the FDA, they send a letter back to the vet, and the vet orders the VO from Abbey Vet and it is shipped to the vet. At least that is how it happened for me. I would call the FDA after a few weeks to check on it. I sent a phone number to the list a few weeks ago. If you can't find it, when I am back home in MA (I am in NJ now with my horse and parents) I can find it on my computer. Michelle In a message dated 4/15/2005 2:41:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: RE: fwd of Best Friends.org guest speaker about FELV Date: 4/15/2005 2:41:12 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent from the Internet Michelle, I am so glad that you are on line - I am on the way to the vet to ask her to write me a VO request letter for me - I wanted to make sure that I know the process correctly - The vet will write a letter with the information (vet's name, product name, and etc) which you forwarded to me last month - then do I send the letter to FDA? Do FDA contact me then? Then, I will need an order form to import directly from UK (VO company?) or does my vet need to do it? Will the products come to me or come to my vet?? -Original Message-
RE: o/t blockage question
Thanks Belinda. This is all news/education to me. Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Belinda Sauro Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 11:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: o/t blockage question Hi Kerry, I haven't heard of removal of the penis, but I have heard of a surgery where the male kitty opening is enlarged similar to a felae cats would be, this is usually only done if other options fail though. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: o/t blockage question
Kyle
I'm still feeding Peri Wysong Uretic dry food, although he does get
into my other cats' Wellness dry food. I'm not sure in Peri's case if
the food is helping keep his ph level down or not. I really feel that
it is the Amitriptyline that keeps him from getting crystals again. I
tried reducing his dose to every other day awhile back and within 3-4
days he started exhibiting early signs of trying to block so put him
back on his regular dose.
--
Brenda.
http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette
From:
Brenda
K. Smith
To:
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent:
Monday, April 18, 2005 12:36 AM
Subject:
Re: o/t blockage question
Kerry.
Removing a cat's penis is called an Urethrostomy and in my
experience is only done as a last resort when a cat keeps blocking
several times no matter what the treatment. In other words, as a last
resort. I was a veterinary technician for many years and only assisted
in one Urethrostomy on a cat who continually blocked with crystals. I
could see one reason why a vet would do this procedure on a first time
blocked cat and that would be if the vet had tried to force a catheter
into the penis carelessly causing rupturing of the penile tissue thus
destroying the penile urethra. The procedure is painstaking and
doesn't always turn out well. There is sometimes bladder incontinence
in the cat and UTI's.
My positive cat, Peri, blocked a couple of years ago for the first
time and my vet sedated him and started trying to rinse out the penis
with saline solution until she could carefully insert a catheter. She
then proceeded to rinse out the crystals thoroughly and then sutured
the catheter into place. I was able to take him home because of my
vet tech experience and give him 100 ml Lactated Ringers 3 times daily
to keep flushing out the crystals. He was put on Zenequin and a short
dose of Prednisone. I forget how many days he had the catheter, but I
removed it when it was time. I gave him a little Ace in the muscle to
relax him beforehand. I put him on Wysong Uretic, Vitamin C and he was
already on Interferon daily. I read that Cosequin helps some cats from
blocking. They didn't know why, but it worked for some cats so I put
him on that also.
I knew the signs of blocking to look for before Peri would block
again. I think it was two or three more times that he was close to
blocking that I caught in time and immediately started him on
Prednisone and Zenequin. I continued the Lactated Ringers during this
time. Finally, after stopping him from blocking for the third time I
called my vet. She then put him on Amitriptyline which is a
despressant. Again, it isn't known why this helps a cat to keep from
blocking, but it does. I also monitor his ph levels frequently. He
has had no blocking problems since the Amitriptyline. I continued the
Lactated Ringers for quite some time at the recommendation of my vet.
I no longer need to do this.
There may be other reasons why this clinic vet did this procedure
on a first time blocked cat, but I don't know what it would have been.
I know I wouldn't take my cat to that clinic if I had this info and the
other info you provided.
--
Brenda.
http://www.whiskersandwicks.com
http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith
"The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette
Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here.
Melbeach wrote:
That almost happened to my male
non+. He had to stay at the vet's twice with a catheter. The second
time for almost a week. They said if it happened again, the would
probably have to "make him a girl".
We were feeding Max Cat Adult at the
time, due to no by-products on the label. So if I had a male, I would
definitely avoid Max Cat. Could be coincidence though. He's been okay
since. That was 5 or 6 years ago.
So Brenda, what are you feeding Peri
now?
-Kyle
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Re: o/t blockage question
I have heard of rerouting it, and a cat I grew up with had that done, but never removing it. Michelle
Re: o/t blockage question
It's done if nothing else takes care of the problem. My cat had stones and they did surgery to remove them and then put him on a special diet. If a cat continues to have problems though they will remove the penis. Also, if the blockage was already out of the bladder and in the urethra (? don't know my anatomy) I guess the penis might have to be removed to get rid of it? tonyaKerry MacKenzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all You may rememberI sent out an email last week about a bad vet clinic in Chicago, McKillips. I sentthe same emailto a PAWS counsellor in Chicago, and she left me a message saying she'd never had a"good feeling" about that clinic, and went on to say that people who had adopted a PAWS cat in the pastrecently took the cat to McKillips. The problem was "blockage"--and McKillips recommended, and then carried out,removal of the cat's penis. Has anyone heard of such a "remedy" for "blockage"? It seems extraordinary, to put it mildly. I'd welcome any/all feedback. Thanks, Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: Re: fwd of Best Friends.org guest speaker about FELV Hideyo,sorry I just got this email now. Did you get the packet from Nina's vet? I don't think my vet used it, but it is the easiest way to go. Your vet just sends in a letter to the FDA, they send a letter back to the vet, and the vet orders the VO from Abbey Vet and it is shipped to the vet. At least that is how it happened for me. I would call the FDA after a few weeks to check on it. I sent a phone number to the list a few weeks ago. If you can't find it, when I am back home in MA (I am in NJ now with my horse and parents) I can find it on my computer.MichelleIn a message dated 4/15/2005 2:41:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subj: RE: fwd of Best Friends.org guest speaker about FELV Date: 4/15/2005 2:41:12 PM Eastern Standard TimeFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-to: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent from the Internet Michelle,I am so glad that you are on line - I am on the way to the vet to ask her to write me a VO request letterfor me - I wanted to make sure that I know the process correctly -The vet will write a letter with the information (vet's name, productname, and etc) which you forwarded to me last month - then do I send theletter to FDA? Do FDA contact me then? Then, I will need an order formto import directly from UK (VO company?) or does my vet need to do it?Will the products come to me or come to my vet??-Original Message-
Re: o/t blockage question
Kerry. Removing a cat's penis is called an Urethrostomy and in my experience is only done as a last resort when a cat keeps blocking several times no matter what the treatment. In other words, as a last resort. I was a veterinary technician for many years and only assisted in one Urethrostomy on a cat who continually blocked with crystals. I could see one reason why a vet would do this procedure on a first time blocked cat and that would be if the vet had tried to force a catheter into the penis carelessly causing rupturing of the penile tissue thus destroying the penile urethra. The procedure is painstaking and doesn't always turn out well. There is sometimes bladder incontinence in the cat and UTI's. My positive cat, Peri, blocked a couple of years ago for the first time and my vet sedated him and started trying to rinse out the penis with saline solution until she could carefully insert a catheter. She then proceeded to rinse out the crystals thoroughly and then sutured the catheter into place. I was able to take him home because of my vet tech experience and give him 100 ml Lactated Ringers 3 times daily to keep flushing out the crystals. He was put on Zenequin and a short dose of Prednisone. I forget how many days he had the catheter, but I removed it when it was time. I gave him a little Ace in the muscle to relax him beforehand. I put him on Wysong Uretic, Vitamin C and he was already on Interferon daily. I read that Cosequin helps some cats from blocking. They didn't know why, but it worked for some cats so I put him on that also. I knew the signs of blocking to look for before Peri would block again. I think it was two or three more times that he was close to blocking that I caught in time and immediately started him on Prednisone and Zenequin. I continued the Lactated Ringers during this time. Finally, after stopping him from blocking for the third time I called my vet. She then put him on Amitriptyline which is a despressant. Again, it isn't known why this helps a cat to keep from blocking, but it does. I also monitor his ph levels frequently. He has had no blocking problems since the Amitriptyline. I continued the Lactated Ringers for quite some time at the recommendation of my vet. I no longer need to do this. There may be other reasons why this clinic vet did this procedure on a first time blocked cat, but I don't know what it would have been. I know I wouldn't take my cat to that clinic if I had this info and the other info you provided. -- Brenda. http://www.whiskersandwicks.com http://www.cheqnet.net/~bksmith "The only risk you ever run in befriending a cat is enriching yourself." - Colette Don't Take Your Organs To Heaven. Heaven Knows We Need Them Here. Kerry MacKenzie wrote: Hi all You may rememberI sent out an email last week about a bad vet clinic in Chicago, McKillips. I sentthe same emailto a PAWS counsellor in Chicago, and she left me a message saying she'd never had a"good feeling" about that clinic, and went on to say that people who had adopted a PAWS cat in the pastrecently took the cat to McKillips. The problem was "blockage"--and McKillips recommended, and then carried out,removal of the cat's penis. Has anyone heard of such a "remedy" for "blockage"? It seems extraordinary, to put it mildly. I'd welcome any/all feedback. Thanks, Kerry No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.9.11 - Release Date: 4/14/2005
