Re: please pray for Ember-Wendy
Lance, I urge you to address this now. You have a much better chance of resolving the problem while Ember is still feeling good and eating. It was good fortune that you had blood work done even though you had no reason to suspect she was ill. I don't understand why your vet would tell you to wait a month and see if it resolves itself with a felv kitty. Why did he have you run the test if he wasn't going to do anything if the results spelled trouble? I'm feeling esp sensitive right now about my pushy nature. I just got rudely told off regarding a Pit Bull puppy that is being neglected. I almost didn't write to you with my always present opinion. Don't take offense, but I wouldn't wait and hope she gets better on her own. Nina Lance wrote: Hi Wendy, I'm guessing that a persistent low white blood cell count leaves Ember (or any other animal in that boat) open to infection from otherwise harmless germs. Please pray that I'll be guided in the right treatment of Ember to bring her wbc levels back up... that this isn't a precursor to her immune system failing completely, and that, in the meantime, she won't come into contact with anything in her seclusion that could give her a secondary illness. I appreciate your thoughts and prayers, Lance
Re: please pray for Ember-Wendy
Hi Wendy, I'm guessing that a persistent low white blood cell count leaves Ember (or any other animal in that boat) open to infection from otherwise harmless germs. Please pray that I'll be guided in the right treatment of Ember to bring her wbc levels back up... that this isn't a precursor to her immune system failing completely, and that, in the meantime, she won't come into contact with anything in her seclusion that could give her a secondary illness. I appreciate your thoughts and prayers, Lance
Re: please pray for Ember
Hi Nina, Thank you for your kind words and the info you looked up. It matches some of the things I found about low wbc. Unfortunately, my vet didn't have any sort of recommendation, other than to come back in a month. One thing that will likely remind you of a recent post from Michelle regarding Lucy... about two weeks ago, my parents discovered that our new air unit wasn't heating properly, so someone was called in to fix it. When I got home from work, I opened my door to find NO EMBER ANYWHERE. The rooms were extremely hot, and there was a distinct and powerful "heater" smell in the air. I found Ember under the bed in the other room, smashed as close to the wall as possible. Now, whenever the heat comes on (and there's a rumbly noise that precedes it), Ember runs for the other room and usually goes under the bed. Perhaps the stress is playing a role, as similar heater stress may be playing a role with Lucy. Also, I'm worried that, when I discontinued giving Ember the Transfer Factor Feline Formula during the initial diarrhea problem last May, that I pulled away an important support. I'm really hoping that DMG and TF on top of her usual interferon will help. Lance Nina wrote: >Dearest Lance, I was just thinking about you and your kitties today, wondering how you guys were doing since we hadn't heard from you in a while. This is not the sort of news I was looking for! I wish I knew more about what the low wbc indicates. It seems to me that you must have caught it quickly, (always a good thing), since Ember is feeling and looking good. I think the TF couldn't hurt. It's suppose to be an immune modulator, rather than booster. What did your vet suggest to boost her wbc? I'll keep checking around. Hopefully our list members will have some advice for you. My prayers and thoughts are with you, Nina
Re: please pray for Ember
I got the first post. It seems like the list is kind of srewed up for almost everyone in terms of what order things show up in and how long they take. Has anyone told the list owner? Michelle In a message dated 10/24/2006 12:19:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I sent this yesterday, but it never showed up in my inbox. I sent it off list to Lance, but I haven't heard from him. Did anyone get this message? I'm going to look through the posts I've saved on IR and see if I can find the post that Michelle's talking about. It makes sense that it might boost wbc, depending on what is causing the problem.Big hugs and prayers to Lance and Ember,Nina
Re: please pray for Ember
I sent this yesterday, but it never showed up in my inbox. I sent it off list to Lance, but I haven't heard from him. Did anyone get this message? I'm going to look through the posts I've saved on IR and see if I can find the post that Michelle's talking about. It makes sense that it might boost wbc, depending on what is causing the problem. Big hugs and prayers to Lance and Ember, Nina Dearest Lance, I was just thinking about you and your kitties today, wondering how you guys were doing since we hadn't heard from you in a while. This is not the sort of news I was looking for! I wish I knew more about what the low wbc indicates. It seems to me that you must have caught it quickly, (always a good thing), since Ember is feeling and looking good. I think the TF couldn't hurt. It's suppose to be an immune modulator, rather than booster. What did your vet suggest to boost her wbc? I'll keep checking around. Hopefully our list members will have some advice for you. My prayers and thoughts are with you, Nina I did a quick search and found this: > WBC is an abbreviation for white blood cell count. These cells help fight infection and respond when an area of the body becomes inflamed. Elevated white blood cell counts indicate infection, inflammation and some forms of cancer or leukemia. Low white blood cells counts can indicate viral infections, bone marrow abnormalities or overwhelming infections and sepsis (blood poisoning). In this situation, the white blood cells are concentrated in the area of infection and are not circulating in the blood, resulting in a low count.> > There are several types of white blood cells in blood, including neutrophils (PMNs), lymphocytes, monocytes, eosinophils and basophils. Lymphocytes are produced in lymph nodes throughout the body. The other white blood cell types are produced in the bone marrow along with the red blood cells and platelets. The majority of white blood cells in circulation are neutrophils, which help the animal fight infections. Neutrophils can be decreased in pets with bone marrow disease, in some viral diseases, and in some pets receiving cancer chemotherapy drugs. Neutrophils are increased in pets with inflammation or infection of any part of the body and in pets receiving prednisone or other cortisone-type drugs. Lymphocytes also help fight infection and produce antibodies against infectious agents (viruses, bacteria, etc.). Lymphocytes may be increased in puppies and kittens with an infection, they can be decreased in pets who are severely stressed, and lymphocytes might be lost in some types of diarrhea. Certain drugs, such as prednisone (a cortisone-type drug) will decrease the number of lymphocytes in the blood stream. Monocytes may be increased in pets with chronic infections. Eosinophils and basophils are increased in pets with allergic diseases, or parasitic infections (worms, fleas, etc.). > This was on a site talking about FIV cats. I don't know if felv kitties have cyclical low wbcs or not: >Some FIV–infected cats have recurrent illness interspersed with periods of relative health between episodes. In those cases, low white blood cell counts and anemia also appear to cycle, with episodes of low cell counts followed by recovery to nearly normal levels. However, the overall trend seems to be progressive, with cell counts dropping lower with each subsequent episode.> Lance wrote: I took Ember in today for a routine check with our allopathic vet. She's been doing really well, though I wasn't sure about her weight. It turned out that she's gained back the weight she lost from her bout with diarrhea early in the Summer. She actually weighs more than she ever did. Fat and happy! All seemed well. Unfortunately, the blood work told a different story. While Ember's red blood cells are doing great, her white blood cell count is extremely low. I think it was 3.6 or 3.7 (3600 or 3700), which is almost half of what it was when she went in four months ago, and half of what would be considered normal. Needless to say, I now know what the phrase, "breaking out in a cold sweat" means, because I experienced it right there as the vet was talking to me. I'd put it in second place only to when I got the first positive FeLV test for her. As, I'd guess, everyone here knows, it's a horrible feeling. I ask your prayers for my girl. Any advice you might have would also be great. Up until the time of her diarrhea episode, I was giving her Transfer Factor Feline Formula. I stopped it then, and we haven't done it since. Should I look at the TF+ or TF Classic human formulas instead? God bless you and all of your furry friends. Lance
Re: please pray for Ember
Hi Lance, I am happy to hear that little Ember has gained back her weight and is fat and happy! I read what you wrote about her white blood cell count being low, but I don't know what that means for Ember. Can you explain so I'll know what to pray for specifically? Thanks, Wendy __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: please pray for Ember
Someone on this list had the same thing with low white blood cell count, and she said that Immuno-regulin brought it back up. I am almost positive that is what she said brought it up, anyway. She wrote about it many months after the fact and the wbc was still normal. You can order Immuno-regulin through Revival Animal Health. I just ordered some today for Lucy's URI, as I have had luck with it helping my positive cats get over bad URI's and pneumonia before. Michelle
RE: please pray for Ember
Sending healing vibes for Ember, Lance. Was your allopathic vet able to make recommendations? big hugs for Ember, Kerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:42 PM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: please pray for Ember I took Ember in today for a routine check with our allopathic vet. She's been doing really well, though I wasn't sure about her weight. It turned out that she's gained back the weight she lost from her bout with diarrhea early in the Summer. She actually weighs more than she ever did. Fat and happy! All seemed well. Unfortunately, the blood work told a different story. While Ember's red blood cells are doing great, her white blood cell count is extremely low. I think it was 3.6 or 3.7 (3600 or 3700), which is almost half of what it was when she went in four months ago, and half of what would be considered normal. Needless to say, I now know what the phrase, "breaking out in a cold sweat" means, because I experienced it right there as the vet was talking to me. I'd put it in second place only to when I got the first positive FeLV test for her. As, I'd guess, everyone here knows, it's a horrible feeling. I ask your prayers for my girl. Any advice you might have would also be great. Up until the time of her diarrhea episode, I was giving her Transfer Factor Feline Formula. I stopped it then, and we haven't done it since. Should I look at the TF+ or TF Classic human formulas instead? God bless you and all of your furry friends. Lance IRS CIRCULAR 230 NOTICE. Any advice expressed above as to tax matters was neither written nor intended by the sender or Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP to be used and cannot be used by any taxpayer for the purpose of avoiding tax penalties that may be imposed under U.S. tax law. If any person uses or refers to any such tax advice in promoting, marketing or recommending a partnership or other entity, investment plan or arrangement to any taxpayer, then (i) the advice was written to support the promotion or marketing (by a person other than Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP) of that transaction or matter, and (ii) such taxpayers should seek advice based on the taxpayers particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail.
Re: please pray for Ember
Lance, I will be remembering you and Ember in my prayers. elizabeth In a message dated 10/23/2006 6:42:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I took Ember in today for a routine check with our allopathic vet. She's been doing really well, though I wasn't sure about her weight. It turned out that she's gained back the weight she lost from her bout with diarrhea early in the Summer. She actually weighs more than she ever did. Fat and happy! All seemed well.Unfortunately, the blood work told a different story. While Ember's red blood cells are doing great, her white blood cell count is extremely low. I think it was 3.6 or 3.7 (3600 or 3700), which is almost half of what it was when she went in four months ago, and half of what would be considered normal. Needless to say, I now know what the phrase, "breaking out in a cold sweat" means, because I experienced it right there as the vet was talking to me. I'd put it in second place only to when I got the first positive FeLV test for her. As, I'd guess, everyone here knows, it's a horrible feeling.I ask your prayers for my girl. Any advice you might have would also be great. Up until the time of her diarrhea episode, I was giving her Transfer Factor Feline Formula. I stopped it then, and we haven't done it since. Should I look at the TF+ or TF Classic human formulas instead?God bless you and all of your furry friends.Lance If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. ~St. Francis
Re: please pray for Ember
Lance many prayes to you and Ember. SherryLance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I took Ember in today for a routine check with our allopathic vet. She's been doing really well, though I wasn't sure about her weight. It turned out that she's gained back the weight she lost from her bout with diarrhea early in the Summer. She actually weighs more than she ever did. Fat and happy! All seemed well.Unfortunately, the blood work told a different story. While Ember's red blood cells are doing great, her white blood cell count is extremely low. I think it was 3.6 or 3.7 (3600 or 3700), which is almost half of what it was when she went in four months ago, and half of what would be considered normal. Needless to say, I now know what the phrase, "breaking out in a cold sweat" means, because I experienced it right there as the vet was talking to me. I'd put it in second place only to when I got the first positive FeLV test for her. As, I'd guess, everyone here knows, it's a horrible feeling.I ask your prayers for my girl. Any advice you might have would also be great. Up until the time of her diarrhea episode, I was giving her Transfer Factor Feline Formula. I stopped it then, and we haven't done it since. Should I look at the TF+ or TF Classic human formulas instead?God bless you and all of your furry friends.Lance Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.
Re: please pray for Ember
Dearest Lance, I was just thinking about you and your kitties today, wondering how you guys were doing since we hadn't heard from you in a while. This is not the sort of news I was looking for! I wish I knew more about what the low wbc indicates. It seems to me that you must have caught it quickly, (always a good thing), since Ember is feeling and looking good. I think the TF couldn't hurt. It's suppose to be an immune modulator, rather than booster. What did your vet suggest to boost her wbc? I'll keep checking around. Hopefully our list members will have some advice for you. My prayers and thoughts are with you, Nina I did a quick search and found this: > WBC is an abbreviation for white blood cell count. These cells help fight infection and respond when an area of the body becomes inflamed. Elevated white blood cell counts indicate infection, inflammation and some forms of cancer or leukemia. Low white blood cells counts can indicate viral infections, bone marrow abnormalities or overwhelming infections and sepsis (blood poisoning). In this situation, the white blood cells are concentrated in the area of infection and are not circulating in the blood, resulting in a low count.> > There are several types of white blood cells in blood, including neutrophils (PMNs), lymphocytes, monocytes, eosinophils and basophils. Lymphocytes are produced in lymph nodes throughout the body. The other white blood cell types are produced in the bone marrow along with the red blood cells and platelets. The majority of white blood cells in circulation are neutrophils, which help the animal fight infections. Neutrophils can be decreased in pets with bone marrow disease, in some viral diseases, and in some pets receiving cancer chemotherapy drugs. Neutrophils are increased in pets with inflammation or infection of any part of the body and in pets receiving prednisone or other cortisone-type drugs. Lymphocytes also help fight infection and produce antibodies against infectious agents (viruses, bacteria, etc.). Lymphocytes may be increased in puppies and kittens with an infection, they can be decreased in pets who are severely stressed, and lymphocytes might be lost in some types of diarrhea. Certain drugs, such as prednisone (a cortisone-type drug) will decrease the number of lymphocytes in the blood stream. Monocytes may be increased in pets with chronic infections. Eosinophils and basophils are increased in pets with allergic diseases, or parasitic infections (worms, fleas, etc.). > This was on a site talking about FIV cats. I don't know if felv kitties have cyclical low wbcs or not: >Some FIV–infected cats have recurrent illness interspersed with periods of relative health between episodes. In those cases, low white blood cell counts and anemia also appear to cycle, with episodes of low cell counts followed by recovery to nearly normal levels. However, the overall trend seems to be progressive, with cell counts dropping lower with each subsequent episode.> Lance wrote: I took Ember in today for a routine check with our allopathic vet. She's been doing really well, though I wasn't sure about her weight. It turned out that she's gained back the weight she lost from her bout with diarrhea early in the Summer. She actually weighs more than she ever did. Fat and happy! All seemed well. Unfortunately, the blood work told a different story. While Ember's red blood cells are doing great, her white blood cell count is extremely low. I think it was 3.6 or 3.7 (3600 or 3700), which is almost half of what it was when she went in four months ago, and half of what would be considered normal. Needless to say, I now know what the phrase, "breaking out in a cold sweat" means, because I experienced it right there as the vet was talking to me. I'd put it in second place only to when I got the first positive FeLV test for her. As, I'd guess, everyone here knows, it's a horrible feeling. I ask your prayers for my girl. Any advice you might have would also be great. Up until the time of her diarrhea episode, I was giving her Transfer Factor Feline Formula. I stopped it then, and we haven't done it since. Should I look at the TF+ or TF Classic human formulas instead? God bless you and all of your furry friends. Lance
