To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.
Phaewryn, This is the 3rd time in a year that you have gone off on other members inappropriately and then claimed to be leaving. I think you need to stop. It is not right or fair to insult other people and then stick your neck in the sand. No one here agrees 100% with any other member on this site. When this happens, either we respectfully disagree, or we just don't say anything. There is no reason to go on a mission to destroy. It is so clear that when you do this, there's much more underlying your verbal spews that has nothing to do with this group and everything to do with your own life. If you are stressed out, stop taking it out here. It's not right. I completely disagree with your statement that for the past year that the validity of the site has been laughable. If you remember, I joined this list a year a half ago. I have learned SO MUCH from this list in the past year a half, and that knowledge has spurred me to do a lot of further research. I am actually able to help others here. I came here so needy and ignorant only to come out more knowledgeable on many aspects of feline care, all because of the loving members of this group. That includes you. No, I didn't prescribe to all the advice given, but took it all in, did my own research, and am still paying it back to new members who came her just like I did. The validity of this group is just as strong as it was six years ago. What you say about a/c's could be true, but you don't know. I don't know. Neither of us have tried one. You can't prove anything intangible exists anyway. What would you say to someone who says you don't love your son because it can't be proven? Indeed, it cannot be proven in a quantitative or tangible way, as no intangibles can. You can't see them, you can't touch them. But nevertheless, your love for your son IS there and it IS true. Same way for faith in God for some of us. So I hope that you will begin to question your own belief that unless you can prove something, it might as well not exist. There is suffering in the world so we can grow. If there were no suffering, there would be no happiness. You cannot know real happiness if you never have struggles and make personal growth. And FYI, prayer is not crap. You have asked for it yourself here. Please, make an effort to hold your tongue. The 24-hour rule always works for me. Write your letter in a word document, save it, and go back and read it in 24 hours. Revise as needed. You might need 48 hours. I did it when writing this post to you. I waited until I slept on it before responding. And my post shows much less anger, and more sense than it would have had I immediately responded. Save your sarcasm for yourself. No one else appreciates it. Dealing with sick animals is hard enough without you making everyone feel badly. I felt like you once, over ten years ago, making everyone around me feel bad because I felt bad inside. I got help with a great counselor for a year. Worked through a lot of childhood issues. Some adult issues. I've been a new woman ever since. Stronger, more secure, and most importantly, happier with who I am. I'll never regret my decision to get help. I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy to feel like I did before I got help. And I certainly don't wish it on you or anyone else on this list. I truly hope, and will pray, that you find some way to deal with these issues in your personal life that keep plaguing you. Life has so much to offer us. Sincerely, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL
Re: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading.
At 12:25 PM 6/11/2007, you wrote: Wendy..spoken so very well. as I mentioned before, I may not believe but I respect everyone here. this is one the most supportive and informative groups I belong to, For those who remember last year and the recovery/return of the 2 FELV cats from the carjackingWe are here to support each other, perhaps Phaewrn was upset at me regarding my attitude on declawing stating euthanasia is never i viable alternative, We all suffer for and with our animals and this is a great bunch of people. If anyone has anything personal to say. Use a private email rather than post to the group. Kelly www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com Phaewryn, This is the 3rd time in a year that you have gone off on other members inappropriately and then claimed to be leaving. I think you need to stop. It is not right or fair to insult other people and then stick your neck in the sand. No one here agrees 100% with any other member on this site. When this happens, either we respectfully disagree, or we just don't say anything. There is no reason to go on a mission to destroy. It is so clear that when you do this, there's much more underlying your verbal spews that has nothing to do with this group and everything to do with your own life. If you are stressed out, stop taking it out here. It's not right. I completely disagree with your statement that for the past year that the validity of the site has been laughable. If you remember, I joined this list a year a half ago. I have learned SO MUCH from this list in the past year a half, and that knowledge has spurred me to do a lot of further research. I am actually able to help others here. I came here so needy and ignorant only to come out more knowledgeable on many aspects of feline care, all because of the loving members of this group. That includes you. No, I didn't prescribe to all the advice given, but took it all in, did my own research, and am still paying it back to new members who came her just like I did. The validity of this group is just as strong as it was six years ago. What you say about a/c's could be true, but you don't know. I don't know. Neither of us have tried one. You can't prove anything intangible exists anyway. What would you say to someone who says you don't love your son because it can't be proven? Indeed, it cannot be proven in a quantitative or tangible way, as no intangibles can. You can't see them, you can't touch them. But nevertheless, your love for your son IS there and it IS true. Same way for faith in God for some of us. So I hope that you will begin to question your own belief that unless you can prove something, it might as well not exist. There is suffering in the world so we can grow. If there were no suffering, there would be no happiness. You cannot know real happiness if you never have struggles and make personal growth. And FYI, prayer is not crap. You have asked for it yourself here. Please, make an effort to hold your tongue. The 24-hour rule always works for me. Write your letter in a word document, save it, and go back and read it in 24 hours. Revise as needed. You might need 48 hours. I did it when writing this post to you. I waited until I slept on it before responding. And my post shows much less anger, and more sense than it would have had I immediately responded. Save your sarcasm for yourself. No one else appreciates it. Dealing with sick animals is hard enough without you making everyone feel badly. I felt like you once, over ten years ago, making everyone around me feel bad because I felt bad inside. I got help with a great counselor for a year. Worked through a lot of childhood issues. Some adult issues. I've been a new woman ever since. Stronger, more secure, and most importantly, happier with who I am. I'll never regret my decision to get help. I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy to feel like I did before I got help. And I certainly don't wish it on you or anyone else on this list. I truly hope, and will pray, that you find some way to deal with these issues in your personal life that keep plaguing you. Life has so much to offer us. Sincerely, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ Get your own web address. Have a HUGE year through Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date: 6/10/2007 1:39 PM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.13/843 - Release Date: 6/10/2007 1:39 PM
RE: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just deletewithout reading.
Wendy, thank you so much for your reasoned and graceful response. Do I believe in animal communicators? I'm not sure. Do I think that there are people who can communicate with animals on a deeper level? Yes. Do I believe it's something that might be worth a try under some circumstances? Absolutely. It's not like the AC has to put electrodes in the animal's brain, or in some cases even lay hands on them or be anywhere near them. What's the harm? I realize there's a huge potential for scam here, but I also know that many ACs don't charge for their services. When I was volunteering at a Katrina pets shelter, an AC was called in and her impressions posted on the animals' cages. Some of them were general enough to be generic -- doesn't understand why she's locked up, wants to go home -- but some were heartbreakingly specific -- remembers being hurt, can't remember ever playing -- and these were enough to make me believe that there *can* be something to it. Also, the wonderful listmommy of the ferals list believes absolutely that we can communicate, and always says things like tell her her story, she loves to hear it because even if there's a language barrier, our tone and body language are as plain for our animals to read as theirs is for us to read. One of my best friends is in England now, and her 11-year-old stripey boy, Spike, will be joining her sometime next month. I'm helping his aunt he's been staying with get him into the carrier for his last vet visit just before he goes, and you can bet I will be talking to him about how he might have a scary day on the plane (it's an animal transport flight, he will be in the main cabin with other pets) but when it's over he'll be with his mom again. And on the day he flies, will I be vibing with all my might that he gets there okay and isn't too scared? God, yes. Since joining various cat groups, I've sort of come to believe in vibes -- whether they're called vibes, or Kitty Cones of Power, or prayer, or meditation. Again, I'm not remotely sure they work, but there's more to us than science knows about yet, our brains have powers we can't even begin to tap, and if shooting a few seconds of positive energy, or visualizing a light around a sick kitty, or whatever, might possibly make a difference, why wouldn't I just do it. Hell, I even vibe at roadkill, just telling them I'm sorry they died because of one of us. Do I believe that there's REALLY a place called the Rainbow Bridge where pets go to wait for us? I really want to. It's a sweet, tangible and comforting image, and if there's a Heaven, how could it be as great as everybody says if there aren't joyous reunions with everybody we've loved? Rainbow Bridge is as plausible as a lot of other stuff we are told but have no proof of. And again, what's the harm? Phaewryn, I'm sorry you're in such a bad place right now that you feel the need to be hurtful. You are free not to believe in any of this, and even to think that those of us who do or who are at least open to it are fools, but nobody here is using vibes, AC, meditations or the like instead of sound veterinary care. Sometimes somekitty just needs that little extra thing to turn a corner, or to be found when lost, or to be less stressed, and I figure there is no harm in seeking help from an undefinable power, be it God or Gaia or the universe or the human mind's will. Diane R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just deletewithout reading. Phaewryn, This is the 3rd time in a year that you have gone off on other members inappropriately and then claimed to be leaving. I think you need to stop. It is not right or fair to insult other people and then stick your neck in the sand. No one here agrees 100% with any other member on this site. When this happens, either we respectfully disagree, or we just don't say anything. There is no reason to go on a mission to destroy. It is so clear that when you do this, there's much more underlying your verbal spews that has nothing to do with this group and everything to do with your own life. If you are stressed out, stop taking it out here. It's not right. I completely disagree with your statement that for the past year that the validity of the site has been laughable. If you remember, I joined this list a year a half ago. I have learned SO MUCH from this list in the past year a half, and that knowledge has spurred me to do a lot of further research. I am actually able to help others here. I came here so needy and ignorant only to come out more knowledgeable on many aspects of feline care, all because of the loving members of this group. That includes you. No, I didn't prescribe to all the advice given, but took it all in, did my own research, and am still paying it back to new members who came
To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just
Hi guys, Too bad that when I pop my head back in the door, I see strife! For those of you who don't know me, I'm the one that had the two cat carjacked last fall. I'm also pretty straightlaced when it comes to the spiritual world - or at least across the board dubious - but dear Hideyo piped in about a visualization and Nina wrote about feeling connections and everyone that wrote about support and love and thoughts...well it helped 100%. More. And for those of you who don't know, my sweet Satchmo and Beatrix were found within 48 hours. Yes, it's impossible to run the experiment again and not to use visualization and positive thought to see if they could have been found anyway, but even if just in my frenzied head and heart, it helped immensely. Anyway, can someone please forward Wendy's message to Phaewryn's personal email? As she ducks out after releasing her thoughts, I don't know if she really understands the hurtful aftermath. I don't have any of her contact information, but I think that it would be a good idea. Thanks, here's hoping the sun is shining again the next time I unearth myself. ;) Leslie ps Bea and Satch are doing GREAT and keeping their paws full with the new canine addition to the family, Charlotte. From: wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. Phaewryn, This is the 3rd time in a year that you have gone off on other members inappropriately and then claimed to be leaving. I think you need to stop. It is not right or fair to insult other people and then stick your neck in the sand. No one here agrees 100% with any other member on this site. When this happens, either we respectfully disagree, or we just don't say anything. There is no reason to go on a mission to destroy. It is so clear that when you do this, there's much more underlying your verbal spews that has nothing to do with this group and everything to do with your own life. If you are stressed out, stop taking it out here. It's not right. I completely disagree with your statement that for the past year that the validity of the site has been laughable. If you remember, I joined this list a year a half ago. I have learned SO MUCH from this list in the past year a half, and that knowledge has spurred me to do a lot of further research. I am actually able to help others here. I came here so needy and ignorant only to come out more knowledgeable on many aspects of feline care, all because of the loving members of this group. That includes you. No, I didn't prescribe to all the advice given, but took it all in, did my own research, and am still paying it back to new members who came her just like I did. The validity of this group is just as strong as it was six years ago. What you say about a/c's could be true, but you don't know. I don't know. Neither of us have tried one. You can't prove anything intangible exists anyway. What would you say to someone who says you don't love your son because it can't be proven? Indeed, it cannot be proven in a quantitative or tangible way, as no intangibles can. You can't see them, you can't touch them. But nevertheless, your love for your son IS there and it IS true. Same way for faith in God for some of us. So I hope that you will begin to question your own belief that unless you can prove something, it might as well not exist. There is suffering in the world so we can grow. If there were no suffering, there would be no happiness. You cannot know real happiness if you never have struggles and make personal growth. And FYI, prayer is not crap. You have asked for it yourself here. Please, make an effort to hold your tongue. The 24-hour rule always works for me. Write your letter in a word document, save it, and go back and read it in 24 hours. Revise as needed. You might need 48 hours. I did it when writing this post to you. I waited until I slept on it before responding. And my post shows much less anger, and more sense than it would have had I immediately responded. Save your sarcasm for yourself. No one else appreciates it. Dealing with sick animals is hard enough without you making everyone feel badly. I felt like you once, over ten years ago, making everyone around me feel bad because I felt bad inside. I got help with a great counselor for a year. Worked through a lot of childhood issues. Some adult issues. I've been a new woman ever since. Stronger, more secure, and most importantly, happier with who I am. I'll never regret my decision to get help. I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy to feel like I did before I got help. And I certainly don't wish it on you or anyone else on this list. I truly hope, and will pray, that you find some way to deal with these issues in your personal life that keep plaguing you. Life has so much to offer us. Sincerely, Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed
Re: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just
At 02:46 PM 6/11/2007, you wrote: If you noticed I just mentioned you and have been wonderingIt was my miracle story of last year, and regardless..for me it was the group getting together and doing something. Hugs to the babies and glad you are still here. Kelly ( we spoke on the phone) www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com Hi guys, Too bad that when I pop my head back in the door, I see strife! For those of you who don't know me, I'm the one that had the two cat carjacked last fall. I'm also pretty straightlaced when it comes to the spiritual world - or at least across the board dubious - but dear Hideyo piped in about a visualization and Nina wrote about feeling connections and everyone that wrote about support and love and thoughts...well it helped 100%. More. And for those of you who don't know, my sweet Satchmo and Beatrix were found within 48 hours. Yes, it's impossible to run the experiment again and not to use visualization and positive thought to see if they could have been found anyway, but even if just in my frenzied head and heart, it helped immensely. Anyway, can someone please forward Wendy's message to Phaewryn's personal email? As she ducks out after releasing her thoughts, I don't know if she really understands the hurtful aftermath. I don't have any of her contact information, but I think that it would be a good idea. Thanks, here's hoping the sun is shining again the next time I unearth myself. ;) Leslie ps Bea and Satch are doing GREAT and keeping their paws full with the new canine addition to the family, Charlotte. From: wendy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: To Phaewryn: Re: OT - animal communication - please just delete without reading. Phaewryn, This is the 3rd time in a year that you have gone off on other members inappropriately and then claimed to be leaving. I think you need to stop. It is not right or fair to insult other people and then stick your neck in the sand. No one here agrees 100% with any other member on this site. When this happens, either we respectfully disagree, or we just don't say anything. There is no reason to go on a mission to destroy. It is so clear that when you do this, there's much more underlying your verbal spews that has nothing to do with this group and everything to do with your own life. If you are stressed out, stop taking it out here. It's not right. I completely disagree with your statement that for the past year that the validity of the site has been laughable. If you remember, I joined this list a year a half ago. I have learned SO MUCH from this list in the past year a half, and that knowledge has spurred me to do a lot of further research. I am actually able to help others here. I came here so needy and ignorant only to come out more knowledgeable on many aspects of feline care, all because of the loving members of this group. That includes you. No, I didn't prescribe to all the advice given, but took it all in, did my own research, and am still paying it back to new members who came her just like I did. The validity of this group is just as strong as it was six years ago. What you say about a/c's could be true, but you don't know. I don't know. Neither of us have tried one. You can't prove anything intangible exists anyway. What would you say to someone who says you don't love your son because it can't be proven? Indeed, it cannot be proven in a quantitative or tangible way, as no intangibles can. You can't see them, you can't touch them. But nevertheless, your love for your son IS there and it IS true. Same way for faith in God for some of us. So I hope that you will begin to question your own belief that unless you can prove something, it might as well not exist. There is suffering in the world so we can grow. If there were no suffering, there would be no happiness. You cannot know real happiness if you never have struggles and make personal growth. And FYI, prayer is not crap. You have asked for it yourself here. Please, make an effort to hold your tongue. The 24-hour rule always works for me. Write your letter in a word document, save it, and go back and read it in 24 hours. Revise as needed. You might need 48 hours. I did it when writing this post to you. I waited until I slept on it before responding. And my post shows much less anger, and more sense than it would have had I immediately responded. Save your sarcasm for yourself. No one else appreciates it. Dealing with sick animals is hard enough without you making everyone feel badly. I felt like you once, over ten years ago, making everyone around me feel bad because I felt bad inside. I got help with a great counselor for a year. Worked through a lot of childhood issues. Some adult issues. I've been a new woman ever since. Stronger, more secure, and most importantly, happier with who I am. I'll never regret my decision to get help. I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy
