Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
You are not crazy. Many people have their little friends visit. Some of mine visit regularly. And I truly believe they have a paw in choosing who comes into my life next. My critters tend to chose me instead of the other way around. Your experiences are similar to mine with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Ebony Thomas Katt (neither was FeLV+) Bother liked cold tile during their last days. And yes, death can be beautiful. It is simply a very painful pause for those of us left behind but a stepping stone to whatever comes next. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jenna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, "death can be beautiful, if you let it be." Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is "Tell me on a sunday." "Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please" That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: "Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I" I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was stretched out like she would when she was comfortable and when I said kitty and shook her she didn't move. I went out side and told my husband she was gone. He said he knew that he talked with her. He told her that she was surrounded by love an
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
Marylyn I know Maizee visited me on several ocassions and it did make me feel loved.And I believe Maizee had a paw in my 4 boys and baby girl to pick me too. Sherry Marylyn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You are not crazy. Many people have their little friends visit. Some of mine visit regularly. And I truly believe they have a paw in choosing who comes into my life next. My critters tend to chose me instead of the other way around. Your experiences are similar to mine with the Royal Princess Kitty Katt and Ebony Thomas Katt (neither was FeLV+) Bother liked cold tile during their last days. And yes, death can be beautiful. It is simply a very painful pause for those of us left behind but a stepping stone to whatever comes next. If you have men who will exclude any of God's creatures from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who will deal likewise with their fellow man. St. Francis - Original Message - From: Jenna To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 1:49 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, "death can be beautiful, if you let it be." Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is "Tell me on a sunday." "Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please" That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: "Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the moulin shelter you and I" I sang to her for about 15 minutes and pet her, even though I could feel each vertebrate of her little back bone. She did not shy away that time. I went back to the living room and laid down, but didnt' sleep. It was exhausting. My husband went into the bathroom and stayed a long time. I knew he was talking with her. When he was done, I could see he had been crying. When i woke up I sat at my computer. About 20 minutes later my dog, Carmel got very whiney and would not settle down. She was upset about something. I went into the bathroom and found that satine had passed. She was s
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug used to help people undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been compromised. There are some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from people who say they have been hurt by the drug. Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a couple of months after seeing them almost every day for a while. - Original Message - From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge Beckie, You are such a bright little light here and I feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet little Moeman might be fading away. You have learned a lot for the time you have been here. I know I have on just how to take care of our little guys better and signs to look for. I have been checking all my kittie's gums this morning and just like I suspected, my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has seemed out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him tested and for now am trying to get a good iron supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it that said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with the anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am asking my vet about what it is and can I have some right now... I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks to these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a couple months ago. Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in stressing our guys out either.I think you probably have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and if he is getting weaker and you have tried through supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just love him. I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her husband to share their experience with you...I will be keeping that letter for myself, for when I will be needing that precious support, that can only come from people who really understand... My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda --- Jenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in my prayers. It feels odd to write about this now as my husband and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it helps you. My baby died at home. That was important to me, and i wanted it that way though my husband was very caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable and not with people she was afraid of and being stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and screaming and while in trauma that might be more beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it makes it harder. So after that experience (this was with my grandmother) I told myself that if this happened with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros where Peter the hospice nurse says, "death can be beautiful, if you let it be." Though most may reject this statement because it is not something most want to think about, I can say that I do agree with it. It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it easier for me to deal with. She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her prime she was very talkative and loved being held and paraded around our apartment. Eventually she stopped her toilet activiites- which actually was a relief because she had a lot of blood (stool was a dark tar color) in it and that was very tough. I started having a feeling that it was going to be on sunday because i started getting a song in my head about a relationship ending that is from Aspects of love by Andrew Lloyd Weber. The song is "Tell me on a sunday." "Don't write a letter when you want to leave Don't call me at 3 a.m. from a friend's apartment I'd like to choose how I hear the news Take me to a park that's covered with trees Tell me on a Sunday please Don't leave in silence with no word at all Don't get drunk and slam the door That's no way to end this I know how I want you to say goodbye Find a circus ring with a flying trapeze Tell me on a Sunday please" That day - on sunday- she was in the bathroom and she was breating very heavy. Her eyes were very diated. I bent down around her and sang her Complainte De La Butte from Moulin Rouge. For the first time all weekend she raised her head and looked at me. She purred so loud. I told her I loved her and if she wanted to go it was okay. I got a feeling that she understood. The song goes: "Petite mandigotte je sens ta menotte qui cherche ma main Je sens ta poitrine et ta taille fine J'oublie mon chagrin Je sens sur tes lèvres une odeur de fièvre de gosse mal nourri Et sous ta caresse je sens une ivresse qui m'anéantit The stairways up to la butte can make the wretched sigh while windmill wings of the
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
Wow! Thanks! I had the animal medical suppy place trying to find this stuff for me under iron supplements...no wonder they could not pull it up. I guess if my vet does not hurry and get back to me in the next hour I will be off to buy some human iron supplement. My cat Dingo does not do pills well at all, so will have to give with a dropper. He also has always been a dainty eater...can't stick it in tuna...He has really been turning his nose up lately and I am realizing I have an emergency on my hands...If it were not for this list I might not have noticed... Thanks, Pat, for setting me straight as to Procrit...Glenda --- Pat Kachur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have seen a lot of ads for Procrit - it is a drug > used to help people > undergoing chemo and whose white cells have been > compromised. There are > some lawsuits filed against the manufacturer from > people who say they have > been hurt by the drug. > Come to think of it--haven't seen the ads for a > couple of months after > seeing them almost every day for a while. > > > - Original Message - > From: "glenda Goodman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:35 PM > Subject: Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? > long letter- sorry > butplease indulge > > > > Beckie, You are such a bright little light here > and I > > feel so sad to know you are hurting and your sweet > > little Moeman might be fading away. You have > learned a > > lot for the time you have been here. I know I have > on > > just how to take care of our little guys better > and > > signs to look for. I have been checking all my > > kittie's gums this morning and just like I > suspected, > > my old guy, Dingo, he is 13 years old, and has > seemed > > out of sorts lately, has very pale gums. He is not > > FeLV+ or FIV+ that I know of ,but I will have him > > tested and for now am trying to get a good iron > > supplement. I wrote down :Procrit ? Who was it > that > > said they gave that to a kitty and it helped with > the > > anemia? It was just in a recent post... I am > asking my > > vet about what it is and can I have some right > now... > > I just left a message for my vet...Anyway, thanks > to > > these guys here, I know a lot more than I did a > couple > > months ago. > > Do not give up fighting, but I do not believe in > > stressing our guys out either.I think you probably > > have a good idea where Moeman is at this point and > if > > he is getting weaker and you have tried through > > supplements, etc. you have done all you can...just > > love him. > > I absolutely loved Jenna's letter to you. What a > > beautiful, thoughtful gift from her and her > husband to > > share their experience with you...I will be > keeping > > that letter for myself, for when I will be needing > > that precious support, that can only come from > people > > who really understand... > > My heart is with you and Moeman...Glenda > > --- Jenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> im so sorry beckie- i will keep you and moeman in > my > >> prayers. > >> > >> It feels odd to write about this now as my > husband > >> and i were crying remembering our beloved siamese > >> calico lady. This is my experience and I hope it > >> helps you. > >> > >> My baby died at home. That was important to me, > >> and i wanted it that way though my husband was > very > >> caucious about it. I wanted her to be comfortable > >> and not with people she was afraid of and being > >> stressed out. I have seen people go kicking and > >> screaming and while in trauma that might be more > >> beneficial, in the case of terminal illness it > makes > >> it harder. So after that experience (this was > with > >> my grandmother) I told myself that if this > happened > >> with my animals- i wanted it to be gentle and > >> peaceful. There is a line from the nbc show Heros > >> where Peter the hospice nurse says, "death can be > >> beautiful, if you let it be." Though most may > reject > >> this statement because it is not something most > want > >> to think about, I can say that I do agree with > it. > >> It doesn't make it hurt less, but it made it > easier > >> for me to deal with. > >> > >> She stopped eating, and slept all the time. She > >> didn't purr and did not want to be held. In her > >> prime she was very talkative and lov
Re: Typical course of a dying FELV kitty? long letter- sorry butplease indulge
I used epogen (same thing as procrit) when my Bailey was anemic along with prenisolone because we suspected the virus was in his bone marrow supressing his immune system and interfering with blood building. We reversed his anemia with this combo. Procrit used in humans is at a much, much higher does and shouldn't scare anyone off from using it with cats that are anemic, any cats with CRF end up using it in the later stages as the kidney disease eventually interferes with the production of erythropoietin which the Epogen, Procrit and the new drug called Aranesp help to produce. In my mind your cat WILL die if the enemia isn't reversed period, so if there is something that may help what have you got to lose?? Below paragraph my opinion (based on what my vet told me when I asked her about this): PS. Has your cat been on a minimum 4 to 6 week course of Doxocycline for possible hemobartonella? Even if he tested negative he should have gotten this (my opinion). Hemo is very hard to test for and many cats tests negative again and again before it is finally found. Though they are never cured of hemo the doxy will put it into remission. If they don't have it it isn't going to hurt to get the doxy but my very well save their life if they have an undiagnosed case of hemo. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting & web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
