Paolo - Re: to Wendy
I have experience with an orthopedic stockinette the shirt. It is so much better than the collar. Phaewryn posted a photo a while back...here is the link _http://ucat.us/Emily-postsurgery2.gif_ (http://ucat.us/Emily-postsurgery2.gif) Renee The second one is about the 10-days period between surgery and the removal of stitches. The vet indicated, as an alternative to the evil plastic gorget (here in Italy it is called Elizabethan collar, don't know in the USA but for sure you know what I am talking about), to use a wool or cotton sleeve to protect his abdomen, like a vest or shirt, but with sleeves, because without something to pass his front legs through, he would push down the edge quite easily. I would absolutely prefer this solution because the Elizabethan collar would keep Rompi from eating, drinking, grooming, and just resting.
to paolo
the feline anemia list doesn't have a members list--joined yesterday to try to find you! also searched messages to see if you had posted, but nothing under paolo--if you can think of alternate names you MIGHT have used, let me know and i can try those. renee (?), phaewyrn's friend, just had a kitty who had a mastectomy who wore a fashionable t-shirt rather than an e-collar. she'd probably be able to tell you how they got it to stay on during the recuperation period. i sent you an off-list email yesterday, with a link that SAYS it will allow you to create a yahoo id that will then link your existing accounts/group ids to it. check your mail! (knowing yahoo, however, i wouldn't bet on it working, but it's not the usual 'get a yahoo id' link.) On 1/31/07, Paolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry again folks, this is the answer to Wendy's mail of yesterday, I am losing my pieces along the road... I hope this can be of some interest to everybody, of course. Is Rompi's surgery to remove the mass, or to just take a look? Wendy, Rompi's surgery would be (hopefully) intended to remove the mass, BUT, should the mass turn out to be located on the pancreas OR on the ileocaecal valve, they will be unable to remove it safely, and in this case the mass would be left there (but they would pick up a sample anyway, for biopsy). Michelle is our resident lymphoma expert. She's really knowledgeable on the matter. I believe you, but now I prefer to leave Michelle in peace with the troubles she's having already... Have you looked into chemo for Rompi? What about epogen for the anemia? Rompi is NOT anemic, luckily! His blood panel is that of a 1-year old cat, and FIV-/FeLV-... not even fleas. At least! (I subscribed to Feline Anemia group at the time when we were struggling against Frizzina's anemia, that would have eventually killed her... but Frizzina was FeLV+) We talked about chemo yesterday, even because vet's own cat had chemo and a lymphoma removed 3 years ago (still alive and happy), but not in depth due to lack of further info on what's going on inside. I have a personal list of items for the times to come: nutrition supplements (L-Lysine, DMG and Omega3-EPA-DHA on top), and I would like to try Acemannan as a general support (but not intended to replace chemo). Oh, I wish to take advantage of this mail to ask you two more things. The first one is (again) on Yahoo groups: have those of you that are members of Feline Anemia the possibility to scroll a MEMBERS LIST?... Just to see if I show up there, who knows... The second one is about the 10-days period between surgery and the removal of stitches. The vet indicated, as an alternative to the evil plastic gorget (here in Italy it is called Elizabethan collar, don't know in the USA but for sure you know what I am talking about), to use a wool or cotton sleeve to protect his abdomen, like a vest or shirt, but with sleeves, because without something to pass his front legs through, he would push down the edge quite easily. I would absolutely prefer this solution because the Elizabethan collar would keep Rompi from eating, drinking, grooming, and just resting. Do you have any experience with the shirt? Any photo to share? Any suggestion? Thank you to everybody Paolo -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: Something ODD with Yahoo groups (sorry Michelle...) - FOR Paolo
Hi Paolo, I just saw this message posted by you this morning so you are still a member. The group is set up in a way so you can't see members. There is no member link there to click on. You can check which groups you are in on this page, you may have to log in to do it. It should list all the Yahoo groups you are a member of: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups or if that doesn't work try this one: http://groups.yahoo.com/ This is your message from this morning on anemia group: TESTING... sorry folks but Yahoo does not recognize my membership to this group any longer... :( Paolo Hope thi shelps you get it straightened out. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Something ODD with Yahoo groups (sorry Michelle...) - FOR Paolo
paolo, if this helps, under your email addy, it says lxpra--maybe that will help you recall your password On 1/31/07, Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paolo, I just saw this message posted by you this morning so you are still a member. The group is set up in a way so you can't see members. There is no member link there to click on. You can check which groups you are in on this page, you may have to log in to do it. It should list all the Yahoo groups you are a member of: http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups or if that doesn't work try this one: http://groups.yahoo.com/ This is your message from this morning on anemia group: TESTING... sorry folks but Yahoo does not recognize my membership to this group any longer... :( Paolo Hope thi shelps you get it straightened out. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties http://bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candlelight Service http://bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com [affordable hosting web design] http://HostDesign4U.com BMK Designs [non-profit animals websites] http://bmk.bemikitties.com -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine AIM / YAHOO: TenHouseCats MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 289856892
Re: to Paolo
Hey Paolo, I'm so glad that Rompi is not anemic. I misunderstood your earlier email. It sounds like you are on top of the supplements. What you listed sounds good. I couldn't remember if you listed lysine (I deleted your message too soon), but that's a great immune system booster. I can't help you with the yahoo anemia group, but I definitely agree that the Elizabethan collar is not the best invention for the purpose, although a good one initially. The shirt solution sounds like a good one. I will be interested to see if anyone here has had any experience with it. Take care, :) Wendy Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
RE: VO interferon - taken orally to PAOLO
Hideyo, if we talk of INJECTED interferon, Feline Interferon works on cats exactly the same way Human Interferon works on humans... Provided that there isn't yet an extensive database about Feline Interferon on cats like the huge amount of information that we have for Human Interferon (because VO is too young a product and the numbers of the patients involved are way too different, of course...) we know that the problems that Human Interferon COULD cause (and sometimes causes) in humans are basically the same that Feline Interferon COULD cause in cats, because the mechanism of action is the same (but keep present, anyway, that to date even the mechanism of action of Human Interferon on humans has been NOT fully understood yet...) You cannot inject Human Interferon to a cat simply because the DNA of humans is alot too different from the DNA of cats, and vice versa. The principle of action of orally-given Interferon (human or feline is just the same) in cats is that it acts basically as an immunostimulant, i.e. it is seen by the organism as foreign matter, causing it to raise its *general* defenses, essentially shooting at anything that moves, including the FELV/FIV virus... and that's all. No magic. When injected, Interferon acts more directly as an ANTIVIRAL: this is the reason for the two very different levels of results for the two modes for administering it, oral or injected. You can easily perceive that a molecule that is intended to be put DIRECTLY in the bloodstream to kill a virus without killing the host organism at the same time, must be much, much more compatible with it than a molecule that is intended to enter the organism with the safety net of the digestive system in between, to act just as a dummy target for the bullets of the immune system, where the hope is that the bullets hit the real target (the virus) in the background of the stage where the dummy target moves :) Sorry for my very poor explanation. Paolo
RE: VO interferon - taken orally to PAOLO
Thank you so much for explaining it -- how did you find out all the information? Very helpful -- so my question is and you may not have the answer to this.. why Dr. Addie suggest that I shouldn't give injectable to dry FIP cats but give orally (diluted version) every day, but give injectable every other day to wet FIP -- did I do harm by giving Dharma who may have dry FIP? I just don't know what to do.. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paolo Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 4:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: VO interferon - taken orally to PAOLO Hideyo, if we talk of INJECTED interferon, Feline Interferon works on cats exactly the same way Human Interferon works on humans... Provided that there isn't yet an extensive database about Feline Interferon on cats like the huge amount of information that we have for Human Interferon (because VO is too young a product and the numbers of the patients involved are way too different, of course...) we know that the problems that Human Interferon COULD cause (and sometimes causes) in humans are basically the same that Feline Interferon COULD cause in cats, because the mechanism of action is the same (but keep present, anyway, that to date even the mechanism of action of Human Interferon on humans has been NOT fully understood yet...) You cannot inject Human Interferon to a cat simply because the DNA of humans is alot too different from the DNA of cats, and vice versa. The principle of action of orally-given Interferon (human or feline is just the same) in cats is that it acts basically as an immunostimulant, i.e. it is seen by the organism as foreign matter, causing it to raise its *general* defenses, essentially shooting at anything that moves, including the FELV/FIV virus... and that's all. No magic. When injected, Interferon acts more directly as an ANTIVIRAL: this is the reason for the two very different levels of results for the two modes for administering it, oral or injected. You can easily perceive that a molecule that is intended to be put DIRECTLY in the bloodstream to kill a virus without killing the host organism at the same time, must be much, much more compatible with it than a molecule that is intended to enter the organism with the safety net of the digestive system in between, to act just as a dummy target for the bullets of the immune system, where the hope is that the bullets hit the real target (the virus) in the background of the stage where the dummy target moves :) Sorry for my very poor explanation. Paolo
