Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[James Almer]

On 1/6/2018 4:55 PM, Lou Logan wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 6, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
>>
>> Rebased and pushed, thanks for the reviews
> 
> Would you add a news entry for this?

The news was written like a year and a half ago before the removal was
postponed a year ago, stating ffserver would be removed in an upcoming
release.

There's a line in Changelog for the next release about it, so it will be
mentioned in the news entry for said release as the Changelog is quoted
in those.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Lou Logan]

On Sat, Jan 6, 2018, at 9:42 AM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
>
> Rebased and pushed, thanks for the reviews

Would you add a news entry for this?
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Rostislav Pehlivanov]

On 6 January 2018 at 18:42, Rostislav Pehlivanov 
wrote:

>
>
> On 21 October 2017 at 19:54, Rostislav Pehlivanov 
> wrote:
>
>> This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
>> its privately exposed things from libavformat.
>>
>> Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
>>   Remove the ffserver program
>>   libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
>>   libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
>>   libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
>>   libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
>>   libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary tag
>>
>>  .gitignore|1 -
>>  Changelog |2 +
>>  MAINTAINERS   |3 -
>>  README.md |2 -
>>  configure |4 -
>>  doc/ffmpeg-bitstream-filters.texi |4 +-
>>  doc/ffmpeg-codecs.texi|4 +-
>>  doc/ffmpeg-devices.texi   |4 +-
>>  doc/ffmpeg-filters.texi   |4 +-
>>  doc/ffmpeg-formats.texi   |4 +-
>>  doc/ffmpeg-protocols.texi |4 +-
>>  doc/ffmpeg-resampler.texi |4 +-
>>  doc/ffmpeg-scaler.texi|4 +-
>>  doc/ffmpeg-utils.texi |4 +-
>>  doc/ffmpeg.texi   |   18 +-
>>  doc/ffplay.texi   |4 +-
>>  doc/ffprobe.texi  |4 +-
>>  doc/ffserver.conf |  372 
>>  doc/ffserver.texi |  923 -
>>  doc/issue_tracker.txt |3 -
>>  doc/libavcodec.texi   |4 +-
>>  doc/libavdevice.texi  |4 +-
>>  doc/libavfilter.texi  |4 +-
>>  doc/libavformat.texi  |4 +-
>>  doc/libavutil.texi|4 +-
>>  doc/libswresample.texi|4 +-
>>  doc/libswscale.texi   |4 +-
>>  doc/mailing-list-faq.texi |3 +-
>>  doc/protocols.texi|2 +-
>>  fftools/Makefile  |4 +-
>>  fftools/ffmpeg_opt.c  |   96 +-
>>  fftools/ffserver.c| 4026 --
>> ---
>>  fftools/ffserver_config.c | 1325 
>>  fftools/ffserver_config.h |  155 --
>>  libavformat/Makefile  |2 -
>>  libavformat/allformats.c  |1 -
>>  libavformat/ffm.h |   62 -
>>  libavformat/ffmdec.c  |  878 
>>  libavformat/ffmenc.c  |  362 
>>  libavformat/libavformat.v |   11 -
>>  libavformat/mpjpeg.c  |2 +-
>>  libavformat/network.h |2 -
>>  libavformat/os_support.c  |6 +-
>>  libavformat/rtpproto.c|6 -
>>  libavformat/rtpproto.h|1 -
>>  tests/Makefile|   10 -
>>  tests/ffserver-regression.sh  |   45 -
>>  tests/ffserver.conf   |  311 ---
>>  tests/ffserver.regression.ref |   11 -
>>  tools/bisect-create   |2 +-
>>  50 files changed, 49 insertions(+), 8674 deletions(-)
>>  delete mode 100644 doc/ffserver.conf
>>  delete mode 100644 doc/ffserver.texi
>>  delete mode 100644 fftools/ffserver.c
>>  delete mode 100644 fftools/ffserver_config.c
>>  delete mode 100644 fftools/ffserver_config.h
>>  delete mode 100644 libavformat/ffm.h
>>  delete mode 100644 libavformat/ffmdec.c
>>  delete mode 100644 libavformat/ffmenc.c
>>  delete mode 100755 tests/ffserver-regression.sh
>>  delete mode 100644 tests/ffserver.conf
>>  delete mode 100644 tests/ffserver.regression.ref
>>
>> --
>> 2.15.0.rc1.287.g2b38de12cc
>>
>>
> Rebased and pushed, thanks for the reviews
>

btw I suggest people to take a look at klaxa's mkvserver_mk2
https://github.com/klaxa/mkvserver_mk2

Its pretty basic and unstable but look promising. You give it a matroska
input and it'll stream it out to clients.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Rostislav Pehlivanov]

On 21 October 2017 at 19:54, Rostislav Pehlivanov 
wrote:

> This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
> its privately exposed things from libavformat.
>
> Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
>   Remove the ffserver program
>   libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
>   libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
>   libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
>   libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
>   libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary tag
>
>  .gitignore|1 -
>  Changelog |2 +
>  MAINTAINERS   |3 -
>  README.md |2 -
>  configure |4 -
>  doc/ffmpeg-bitstream-filters.texi |4 +-
>  doc/ffmpeg-codecs.texi|4 +-
>  doc/ffmpeg-devices.texi   |4 +-
>  doc/ffmpeg-filters.texi   |4 +-
>  doc/ffmpeg-formats.texi   |4 +-
>  doc/ffmpeg-protocols.texi |4 +-
>  doc/ffmpeg-resampler.texi |4 +-
>  doc/ffmpeg-scaler.texi|4 +-
>  doc/ffmpeg-utils.texi |4 +-
>  doc/ffmpeg.texi   |   18 +-
>  doc/ffplay.texi   |4 +-
>  doc/ffprobe.texi  |4 +-
>  doc/ffserver.conf |  372 
>  doc/ffserver.texi |  923 -
>  doc/issue_tracker.txt |3 -
>  doc/libavcodec.texi   |4 +-
>  doc/libavdevice.texi  |4 +-
>  doc/libavfilter.texi  |4 +-
>  doc/libavformat.texi  |4 +-
>  doc/libavutil.texi|4 +-
>  doc/libswresample.texi|4 +-
>  doc/libswscale.texi   |4 +-
>  doc/mailing-list-faq.texi |3 +-
>  doc/protocols.texi|2 +-
>  fftools/Makefile  |4 +-
>  fftools/ffmpeg_opt.c  |   96 +-
>  fftools/ffserver.c| 4026 --
> ---
>  fftools/ffserver_config.c | 1325 
>  fftools/ffserver_config.h |  155 --
>  libavformat/Makefile  |2 -
>  libavformat/allformats.c  |1 -
>  libavformat/ffm.h |   62 -
>  libavformat/ffmdec.c  |  878 
>  libavformat/ffmenc.c  |  362 
>  libavformat/libavformat.v |   11 -
>  libavformat/mpjpeg.c  |2 +-
>  libavformat/network.h |2 -
>  libavformat/os_support.c  |6 +-
>  libavformat/rtpproto.c|6 -
>  libavformat/rtpproto.h|1 -
>  tests/Makefile|   10 -
>  tests/ffserver-regression.sh  |   45 -
>  tests/ffserver.conf   |  311 ---
>  tests/ffserver.regression.ref |   11 -
>  tools/bisect-create   |2 +-
>  50 files changed, 49 insertions(+), 8674 deletions(-)
>  delete mode 100644 doc/ffserver.conf
>  delete mode 100644 doc/ffserver.texi
>  delete mode 100644 fftools/ffserver.c
>  delete mode 100644 fftools/ffserver_config.c
>  delete mode 100644 fftools/ffserver_config.h
>  delete mode 100644 libavformat/ffm.h
>  delete mode 100644 libavformat/ffmdec.c
>  delete mode 100644 libavformat/ffmenc.c
>  delete mode 100755 tests/ffserver-regression.sh
>  delete mode 100644 tests/ffserver.conf
>  delete mode 100644 tests/ffserver.regression.ref
>
> --
> 2.15.0.rc1.287.g2b38de12cc
>
>
Rebased and pushed, thanks for the reviews
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[James Almer]

On 10/22/2017 7:15 AM, Paul B Mahol wrote:
> On 10/22/17, Michael Niedermayer  wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:37:28AM +0200, Clement Boesch wrote:
>>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 02:55:38AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
 On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 04:15:37PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> On 10/21/2017 3:54 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
>> This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
>> its privately exposed things from libavformat.
>>
>> Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
>>   Remove the ffserver program
>>   libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
>>   libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
>>   libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
>>   libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
>>   libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary
>> tag
>
> This set will be applied a month or so from now, when the unstable
> ABI
> period is over.
>
> If you can do in a month what was not done in a year plus, anyone is
> welcome to fix all ffserver issues or preferably replace it
> altogether
> with a new tool with a more user friendly syntax/interface.

 Can you list the technical problems that require dropping ffserver,
 so that someone interrested in fixing them can do so ?
>>>
>>> It's probably too late, one month is not enough. We already had that
>>> discussion:
>>> http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2016-November/203482.html
>>>
>>
>>> The goal was ZERO internal API usage + at least partial FATE coverage. We
>>> gave it a year and nothing changed because no one cared.
>>
>> For reference, the votes text was: (uncut)
>> https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2016-November/203561.html
>> I propose, and put to the discussion, that the decision to drop
>> ffserver
>> is revoked, conditioned to the fixing of the technical issues that lead
>> to it.
>>
>> In other words, if the technical problems that require dropping
>> ffserver
>> are resolved at the time it is about to be dropped, then it must not be
>> and the patch is not applied.
>>
>> I support the decision. Pros:
>>
>> ffserver has users, if there are no reason to drop it, doing so is a
>> gratuitous annoyance to them.
>>
>> Apparently James Almer opposes the decision. Cons, if I understand
>> correctly:
>>
>> A decision was made, a project should stick to it stubbornly.
> 
> You and Carl should step out as leaders, or we will FORK!

Paul, please keep your "funny" remarks on IRC. Develop a sense of time
and place for jokes and sarcasm already.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Michael Niedermayer]

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 12:15:25PM +0200, Paul B Mahol wrote:
> On 10/22/17, Michael Niedermayer  wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:37:28AM +0200, Clement Boesch wrote:
> >> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 02:55:38AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> >> > On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 04:15:37PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> >> > > On 10/21/2017 3:54 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
> >> > > > This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
> >> > > > its privately exposed things from libavformat.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
> >> > > >   Remove the ffserver program
> >> > > >   libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
> >> > > >   libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
> >> > > >   libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
> >> > > >   libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
> >> > > >   libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary
> >> > > > tag
> >> > >
> >> > > This set will be applied a month or so from now, when the unstable
> >> > > ABI
> >> > > period is over.
> >> > >
> >> > > If you can do in a month what was not done in a year plus, anyone is
> >> > > welcome to fix all ffserver issues or preferably replace it
> >> > > altogether
> >> > > with a new tool with a more user friendly syntax/interface.
> >> >
> >> > Can you list the technical problems that require dropping ffserver,
> >> > so that someone interrested in fixing them can do so ?
> >>
> >> It's probably too late, one month is not enough. We already had that
> >> discussion:
> >> http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2016-November/203482.html
> >>
> >
> >> The goal was ZERO internal API usage + at least partial FATE coverage. We
> >> gave it a year and nothing changed because no one cared.
> >
> > For reference, the votes text was: (uncut)
> > https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2016-November/203561.html
> > I propose, and put to the discussion, that the decision to drop
> > ffserver
> > is revoked, conditioned to the fixing of the technical issues that lead
> > to it.
> >
> > In other words, if the technical problems that require dropping
> > ffserver
> > are resolved at the time it is about to be dropped, then it must not be
> > and the patch is not applied.
> >
> > I support the decision. Pros:
> >
> > ffserver has users, if there are no reason to drop it, doing so is a
> > gratuitous annoyance to them.
> >
> > Apparently James Almer opposes the decision. Cons, if I understand
> > correctly:
> >
> > A decision was made, a project should stick to it stubbornly.
> 
> You and Carl should step out as leaders, or we will FORK!

calm down please, the only thing ive said in the whole thread was
asking for a list of "technical problems that require dropping ffserver"
and for reference posting the uncut text from the last years vote.
Which used exactly that phrase.
Which was not written by either me nor carl.

I had not intended to offend anyone by posting this.

I will also post a patch that hopefully fixes partial fate tests for
ffserver as that was one of several things suggested.
Beyond that i have no plans ATM about ffserver.


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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Carl Eugen Hoyos]

2017-10-22 12:40 GMT+02:00 Clément Bœsch :

> Removal was announced, people were aware, we got discussions,
> but no one cared enough to do something about it.

Wasn't the (only) question what should be done?

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Clément Bœsch]

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:51:38AM +0200, Marton Balint wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Clément Bœsch wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 02:55:38AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > > On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 04:15:37PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> > > > On 10/21/2017 3:54 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
> > > > > This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
> > > > > its privately exposed things from libavformat.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
> > > > >   Remove the ffserver program
> > > > >   libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
> > > > >   libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
> > > > >   libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
> > > > >   libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
> > > > >   libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary 
> > > > > tag
> > > > 
> > > > This set will be applied a month or so from now, when the unstable ABI
> > > > period is over.
> > > > 
> > > > If you can do in a month what was not done in a year plus, anyone is
> > > > welcome to fix all ffserver issues or preferably replace it altogether
> > > > with a new tool with a more user friendly syntax/interface.
> > > 
> > > Can you list the technical problems that require dropping ffserver,
> > > so that someone interrested in fixing them can do so ?
> > 
> > It's probably too late, one month is not enough. We already had that
> > discussion:
> > http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2016-November/203482.html
> > 
> > The goal was ZERO internal API usage + at least partial FATE coverage. We
> > gave it a year and nothing changed because no one cared.
> 
> It is natural that people only care if it gets removed otherwise.
> 

July 10th, 2016, ffserver program being dropped

After thorough deliberation, we're announcing that we're about to drop
the ffserver program from the project starting with the next release.
ffserver has been a problematic program to maintain due to its use of
internal APIs, which complicated the recent cleanups to the
libavformat library, and block further cleanups and improvements which
are desired by API users and will be easier to maintain. Furthermore
the program has been hard for users to deploy and run due to
reliability issues, lack of knowledgable people to help and confusing
configuration file syntax. Current users and members of the community
are invited to write a replacement program to fill the same niche that
ffserver did using the new APIs and to contact us so we may point
users to test and contribute to its development. 

source: ffmpeg.org

Removal was announced, people were aware, we got discussions, but no one
cared enough to do something about it.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Paul B Mahol]

On 10/22/17, Michael Niedermayer  wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:37:28AM +0200, Clement Boesch wrote:
>> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 02:55:38AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
>> > On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 04:15:37PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
>> > > On 10/21/2017 3:54 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
>> > > > This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
>> > > > its privately exposed things from libavformat.
>> > > >
>> > > > Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
>> > > >   Remove the ffserver program
>> > > >   libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
>> > > >   libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
>> > > >   libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
>> > > >   libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
>> > > >   libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary
>> > > > tag
>> > >
>> > > This set will be applied a month or so from now, when the unstable
>> > > ABI
>> > > period is over.
>> > >
>> > > If you can do in a month what was not done in a year plus, anyone is
>> > > welcome to fix all ffserver issues or preferably replace it
>> > > altogether
>> > > with a new tool with a more user friendly syntax/interface.
>> >
>> > Can you list the technical problems that require dropping ffserver,
>> > so that someone interrested in fixing them can do so ?
>>
>> It's probably too late, one month is not enough. We already had that
>> discussion:
>> http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2016-November/203482.html
>>
>
>> The goal was ZERO internal API usage + at least partial FATE coverage. We
>> gave it a year and nothing changed because no one cared.
>
> For reference, the votes text was: (uncut)
> https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2016-November/203561.html
> I propose, and put to the discussion, that the decision to drop
> ffserver
> is revoked, conditioned to the fixing of the technical issues that lead
> to it.
>
> In other words, if the technical problems that require dropping
> ffserver
> are resolved at the time it is about to be dropped, then it must not be
> and the patch is not applied.
>
> I support the decision. Pros:
>
> ffserver has users, if there are no reason to drop it, doing so is a
> gratuitous annoyance to them.
>
> Apparently James Almer opposes the decision. Cons, if I understand
> correctly:
>
> A decision was made, a project should stick to it stubbornly.

You and Carl should step out as leaders, or we will FORK!
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Michael Niedermayer]

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 10:37:28AM +0200, Clément Bœsch wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 02:55:38AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> > On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 04:15:37PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> > > On 10/21/2017 3:54 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
> > > > This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
> > > > its privately exposed things from libavformat.
> > > > 
> > > > Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
> > > >   Remove the ffserver program
> > > >   libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
> > > >   libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
> > > >   libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
> > > >   libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
> > > >   libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary tag
> > > 
> > > This set will be applied a month or so from now, when the unstable ABI
> > > period is over.
> > > 
> > > If you can do in a month what was not done in a year plus, anyone is
> > > welcome to fix all ffserver issues or preferably replace it altogether
> > > with a new tool with a more user friendly syntax/interface.
> > 
> > Can you list the technical problems that require dropping ffserver,
> > so that someone interrested in fixing them can do so ?
> 
> It's probably too late, one month is not enough. We already had that
> discussion:
> http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2016-November/203482.html
> 

> The goal was ZERO internal API usage + at least partial FATE coverage. We
> gave it a year and nothing changed because no one cared.

For reference, the votes text was: (uncut)
https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2016-November/203561.html
I propose, and put to the discussion, that the decision to drop ffserver
is revoked, conditioned to the fixing of the technical issues that lead
to it.

In other words, if the technical problems that require dropping ffserver
are resolved at the time it is about to be dropped, then it must not be
and the patch is not applied.

I support the decision. Pros:

ffserver has users, if there are no reason to drop it, doing so is a
gratuitous annoyance to them.

Apparently James Almer opposes the decision. Cons, if I understand
correctly:

A decision was made, a project should stick to it stubbornly.


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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Marton Balint]

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Clément Bœsch wrote:


On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 02:55:38AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 04:15:37PM -0300, James Almer wrote:

On 10/21/2017 3:54 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:

This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
its privately exposed things from libavformat.

Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
  Remove the ffserver program
  libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
  libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
  libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
  libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
  libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary tag


This set will be applied a month or so from now, when the unstable ABI
period is over.

If you can do in a month what was not done in a year plus, anyone is
welcome to fix all ffserver issues or preferably replace it altogether
with a new tool with a more user friendly syntax/interface.


Can you list the technical problems that require dropping ffserver,
so that someone interrested in fixing them can do so ?


It's probably too late, one month is not enough. We already had that
discussion:
http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2016-November/203482.html

The goal was ZERO internal API usage + at least partial FATE coverage. We
gave it a year and nothing changed because no one cared.


It is natural that people only care if it gets removed otherwise.

A list is important so anybody interested can estimate the amount of work 
needed.


What abouth the ffmenc/ffmdec? That needs to go as well? Or if internal 
api usage is fixed, and some fate coverate is added, ffmenc and ffmdec can 
stay?


Thanks,
Marton
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Clément Bœsch]

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 02:55:38AM +0200, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 04:15:37PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> > On 10/21/2017 3:54 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
> > > This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
> > > its privately exposed things from libavformat.
> > > 
> > > Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
> > >   Remove the ffserver program
> > >   libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
> > >   libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
> > >   libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
> > >   libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
> > >   libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary tag
> > 
> > This set will be applied a month or so from now, when the unstable ABI
> > period is over.
> > 
> > If you can do in a month what was not done in a year plus, anyone is
> > welcome to fix all ffserver issues or preferably replace it altogether
> > with a new tool with a more user friendly syntax/interface.
> 
> Can you list the technical problems that require dropping ffserver,
> so that someone interrested in fixing them can do so ?

It's probably too late, one month is not enough. We already had that
discussion:
http://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2016-November/203482.html

The goal was ZERO internal API usage + at least partial FATE coverage. We
gave it a year and nothing changed because no one cared.

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[James Almer]

On 10/21/2017 9:55 PM, Michael Niedermayer wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 04:15:37PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
>> On 10/21/2017 3:54 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
>>> This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
>>> its privately exposed things from libavformat.
>>>
>>> Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
>>>   Remove the ffserver program
>>>   libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
>>>   libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
>>>   libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
>>>   libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
>>>   libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary tag
>>
>> This set will be applied a month or so from now, when the unstable ABI
>> period is over.
>>
>> If you can do in a month what was not done in a year plus, anyone is
>> welcome to fix all ffserver issues or preferably replace it altogether
>> with a new tool with a more user friendly syntax/interface.
> 
> Can you list the technical problems that require dropping ffserver,
> so that someone interrested in fixing them can do so ?

They have been listed in both the November 2016 discussion/vote thread
and i think in the bump patch i sent last month as well.
The most important one is of course the usage of internal API. Then
there's https://ffmpeg.org/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2016-December/203926.html

If anyone actually cared about ffserver, one think it would be fixed by
now...
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Michael Niedermayer]

On Sat, Oct 21, 2017 at 04:15:37PM -0300, James Almer wrote:
> On 10/21/2017 3:54 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
> > This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
> > its privately exposed things from libavformat.
> > 
> > Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
> >   Remove the ffserver program
> >   libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
> >   libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
> >   libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
> >   libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
> >   libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary tag
> 
> This set will be applied a month or so from now, when the unstable ABI
> period is over.
> 
> If you can do in a month what was not done in a year plus, anyone is
> welcome to fix all ffserver issues or preferably replace it altogether
> with a new tool with a more user friendly syntax/interface.

Can you list the technical problems that require dropping ffserver,
so that someone interrested in fixing them can do so ?

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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[James Almer]

On 10/21/2017 3:54 PM, Rostislav Pehlivanov wrote:
> This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
> its privately exposed things from libavformat.
> 
> Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
>   Remove the ffserver program
>   libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
>   libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
>   libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
>   libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
>   libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary tag

This set will be applied a month or so from now, when the unstable ABI
period is over.

If you can do in a month what was not done in a year plus, anyone is
welcome to fix all ffserver issues or preferably replace it altogether
with a new tool with a more user friendly syntax/interface.
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Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Paul B Mahol]

On 10/21/17, Rostislav Pehlivanov  wrote:
> This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
> its privately exposed things from libavformat.
>
> Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
>   Remove the ffserver program
>   libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
>   libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
>   libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
>   libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
>   libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary tag
>

OK
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[FFmpeg-devel] [PATCH 0/6] Patchset to remove ffserver

[Rostislav Pehlivanov]

This patchset removes the long-deprecated ffserver program and all
its privately exposed things from libavformat.

Rostislav Pehlivanov (6):
  Remove the ffserver program
  libavformat: remove the ffmenc and ffmdec muxer and demuxers
  libavformat: unexpose the ff_inet_aton function
  libavformat: remove the ff_rtp_get_local_rtcp_port function
  libavformat: unexpose private ff_ functions needed by ffserver
  libavformat/mpjpeg: use "ffmpeg" instead of "ffserver" as boundary tag

 .gitignore|1 -
 Changelog |2 +
 MAINTAINERS   |3 -
 README.md |2 -
 configure |4 -
 doc/ffmpeg-bitstream-filters.texi |4 +-
 doc/ffmpeg-codecs.texi|4 +-
 doc/ffmpeg-devices.texi   |4 +-
 doc/ffmpeg-filters.texi   |4 +-
 doc/ffmpeg-formats.texi   |4 +-
 doc/ffmpeg-protocols.texi |4 +-
 doc/ffmpeg-resampler.texi |4 +-
 doc/ffmpeg-scaler.texi|4 +-
 doc/ffmpeg-utils.texi |4 +-
 doc/ffmpeg.texi   |   18 +-
 doc/ffplay.texi   |4 +-
 doc/ffprobe.texi  |4 +-
 doc/ffserver.conf |  372 
 doc/ffserver.texi |  923 -
 doc/issue_tracker.txt |3 -
 doc/libavcodec.texi   |4 +-
 doc/libavdevice.texi  |4 +-
 doc/libavfilter.texi  |4 +-
 doc/libavformat.texi  |4 +-
 doc/libavutil.texi|4 +-
 doc/libswresample.texi|4 +-
 doc/libswscale.texi   |4 +-
 doc/mailing-list-faq.texi |3 +-
 doc/protocols.texi|2 +-
 fftools/Makefile  |4 +-
 fftools/ffmpeg_opt.c  |   96 +-
 fftools/ffserver.c| 4026 -
 fftools/ffserver_config.c | 1325 
 fftools/ffserver_config.h |  155 --
 libavformat/Makefile  |2 -
 libavformat/allformats.c  |1 -
 libavformat/ffm.h |   62 -
 libavformat/ffmdec.c  |  878 
 libavformat/ffmenc.c  |  362 
 libavformat/libavformat.v |   11 -
 libavformat/mpjpeg.c  |2 +-
 libavformat/network.h |2 -
 libavformat/os_support.c  |6 +-
 libavformat/rtpproto.c|6 -
 libavformat/rtpproto.h|1 -
 tests/Makefile|   10 -
 tests/ffserver-regression.sh  |   45 -
 tests/ffserver.conf   |  311 ---
 tests/ffserver.regression.ref |   11 -
 tools/bisect-create   |2 +-
 50 files changed, 49 insertions(+), 8674 deletions(-)
 delete mode 100644 doc/ffserver.conf
 delete mode 100644 doc/ffserver.texi
 delete mode 100644 fftools/ffserver.c
 delete mode 100644 fftools/ffserver_config.c
 delete mode 100644 fftools/ffserver_config.h
 delete mode 100644 libavformat/ffm.h
 delete mode 100644 libavformat/ffmdec.c
 delete mode 100644 libavformat/ffmenc.c
 delete mode 100755 tests/ffserver-regression.sh
 delete mode 100644 tests/ffserver.conf
 delete mode 100644 tests/ffserver.regression.ref

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