Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
On Sun, Feb 04, 2024 at 01:42:31AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Sat, Feb 03, 2024 at 04:37:54AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 05:29:26AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > > > To do the STF/SPI thing properly, and make sure we do what the Community > > > wants. > > > We should do this vote: (unless lots of people reply and say we should > > > skip the vote) > > > (i am also CCing jonatan to make sure the option in the vote actually ask > > > the GA the > > > right question) > > > > > > The vote description will be as follows: > > > The STF/SPI has suggested us to submit an Application / Scope of work > > > before their february meeting. > > > There are about 2 weeks left. > > > The minimum grant is 150 000 € > > > The next STF meeting is expected to be in may. If we submit in february > > > and are not selected > > > we can probably try again in may. Which would increase our chances > > > If we do not submit in february we can probably submit in may. > > > There is no guarantee that money will be available in may, for example > > > between october 2023 > > > and february 2024 no funds where available AFAIK. > > > Wiki page is here: > > > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2024 > > > > > > > > > Option A. The Application and Scope of Work from the WIKI shall be > > > submitted to STF/SPI before the february 2024 meeting, disagreements in > > > it shall be decided by the TC. To achieve continuity, submission shall be > > > done by the same person as previous if possible. > > > > > > Option B. No Application and Scope of Work shall be submitted in february > > > 2024 > > > > > > > > > This is a RFC, so if you see errors in it please suggest changes > > > > I intend to start the vote in teh next 24h or so. > > Vote started, you should have received a mail if you are in the GA > and you should not have received a mail if you are not in the GA > 50 mails where sent and there are 50 in the script output. > I hope that no messup happened in this vote > > Please Vote! As the specified end date of 2024-02-11 has come, and we are over high noon, the contestants are standing in front of each other, tense with their hands over their pistols, who will walk away today and who will not. The winner is miss february, she drew her gun first, shot and hit "The Application and Scope of Work from the WIKI shall be submitted to STF/SPI before the february 2024 meeting, disagreements in it shall be decided by the TC. To achieve continuity, submission shall be done by the same person as previous, if possible." Won Miss may lost this round, she recieves a free hankachief to wipe the water from miss february water pistol off "No Application and Scope of Work shall be submitted in february 2024", Lost The CSV file with details is attached Announced end of poll: 2024-02-11 Actual time poll closed: 2/11/2024, 1:27:15 PM Private poll (50 authorized voters) Actual votes cast: 23 I wish all contestants good luck and please soon come and play again! thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB The real ebay dictionary, page 1 "Used only once"- "Some unspecified defect prevented a second use" "In good condition" - "Can be repaird by experienced expert" "As is" - "You wouldnt want it even if you were payed for it, if you knew ..." The Application and Scope of Work from the WIKI shall be submitted to STF/SPI before the february 2024 meeting, disagreements in it shall be decided by the TC. To achieve continuity, submission shall be done by the same person as previous, if possible.,No Application and Scope of Work shall be submitted in february 2024 1,2 1,2 1,2 1,2 1,2 2,1 2,1 1,2 2,1 1,2 1,2 1,2 1,2 1,2 2,1 1,2 1,2 1,2 1,2 1,2 1,2 1,2 2,1 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 9:11 PM Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote: > Le torstaina 1. helmikuuta 2024, 19.45.52 EET Vittorio Giovara a écrit : > > The same of course should apply to any other future funding, it must be > > either the community (via GA) or a third party setting up the > sponsorship. > > Neither the community or the GA can forbid people from seeking funding for > themselves. I suppose that, in theory, developers could be required to > sign an > agreement to that effect before they are allowed to submit code for > inclusion, > but that seems neither practical, nor desirable to me. > > That is probably not what you meant, but that is what this reads like. > Yeah that's not what I meant, sorry for the confusion: what I meant was whoever secures the funding, then cannot be directly funded for any of the projects attributed in the current funding. This might be counterintuitive and possibly controversial, but the goal here is to distinguish benefiting the community and benefiting oneself as well as avoid losing a possible funding: I would really like to avoid that we miss out on funding out of fear that whoever found the funding will strongarm the community into accepting something that the community may reject. In other words, this is both protection for the community and for whoever finds the funding. I don't know how enforce-able it is, or if it is something that can actually facilitate accepting future funding for the community, but since we're in a time crunch and we're voting with unanswered open questions, it is something we should at least consider. -- Vittorio ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 1:42 AM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Sat, Feb 03, 2024 at 04:37:54AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 05:29:26AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > > > To do the STF/SPI thing properly, and make sure we do what the > Community wants. > > > We should do this vote: (unless lots of people reply and say we should > skip the vote) > > > (i am also CCing jonatan to make sure the option in the vote actually > ask the GA the > > > right question) > > > > > > The vote description will be as follows: > > > The STF/SPI has suggested us to submit an Application / Scope of work > before their february meeting. > > > There are about 2 weeks left. > > > The minimum grant is 150 000 € > > > The next STF meeting is expected to be in may. If we submit in > february and are not selected > > > we can probably try again in may. Which would increase our chances > > > If we do not submit in february we can probably submit in may. > > > There is no guarantee that money will be available in may, for example > between october 2023 > > > and february 2024 no funds where available AFAIK. > > > Wiki page is here: > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2024 > > > > > > > > > Option A. The Application and Scope of Work from the WIKI shall be > submitted to STF/SPI before the february 2024 meeting, disagreements in it > shall be decided by the TC. To achieve continuity, submission shall be done > by the same person as previous if possible. > > > > > > Option B. No Application and Scope of Work shall be submitted in > february 2024 > > > > > > > > > This is a RFC, so if you see errors in it please suggest changes > > > > I intend to start the vote in teh next 24h or so. > > Vote started, you should have received a mail if you are in the GA > and you should not have received a mail if you are not in the GA > 50 mails where sent and there are 50 in the script output. > I hope that no messup happened in this vote > > Please Vote! > Never vote for dead project. Controlled by money. > > thx > > [...] > > -- > Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB > > The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision > of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet > notwithstanding go out to meet it. -- Thucydides > ___ > ffmpeg-devel mailing list > ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org > https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel > > To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email > ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe". > ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
On Sat, Feb 03, 2024 at 04:37:54AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 05:29:26AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > Hi all > > > > To do the STF/SPI thing properly, and make sure we do what the Community > > wants. > > We should do this vote: (unless lots of people reply and say we should skip > > the vote) > > (i am also CCing jonatan to make sure the option in the vote actually ask > > the GA the > > right question) > > > > The vote description will be as follows: > > The STF/SPI has suggested us to submit an Application / Scope of work > > before their february meeting. > > There are about 2 weeks left. > > The minimum grant is 150 000 € > > The next STF meeting is expected to be in may. If we submit in february and > > are not selected > > we can probably try again in may. Which would increase our chances > > If we do not submit in february we can probably submit in may. > > There is no guarantee that money will be available in may, for example > > between october 2023 > > and february 2024 no funds where available AFAIK. > > Wiki page is here: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2024 > > > > > > Option A. The Application and Scope of Work from the WIKI shall be > > submitted to STF/SPI before the february 2024 meeting, disagreements in it > > shall be decided by the TC. To achieve continuity, submission shall be done > > by the same person as previous if possible. > > > > Option B. No Application and Scope of Work shall be submitted in february > > 2024 > > > > > > This is a RFC, so if you see errors in it please suggest changes > > I intend to start the vote in teh next 24h or so. Vote started, you should have received a mail if you are in the GA and you should not have received a mail if you are not in the GA 50 mails where sent and there are 50 in the script output. I hope that no messup happened in this vote Please Vote! thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding go out to meet it. -- Thucydides signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
On date Saturday 2024-02-03 04:37:54 +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 05:29:26AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > > Hi all > > > > To do the STF/SPI thing properly, and make sure we do what the Community > > wants. > > We should do this vote: (unless lots of people reply and say we should skip > > the vote) > > (i am also CCing jonatan to make sure the option in the vote actually ask > > the GA the > > right question) > > > > The vote description will be as follows: > > The STF/SPI has suggested us to submit an Application / Scope of work > > before their february meeting. > > There are about 2 weeks left. > > The minimum grant is 150 000 € > > The next STF meeting is expected to be in may. If we submit in february and > > are not selected > > we can probably try again in may. Which would increase our chances > > If we do not submit in february we can probably submit in may. > > There is no guarantee that money will be available in may, for example > > between october 2023 > > and february 2024 no funds where available AFAIK. > > Wiki page is here: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2024 > > > > > > Option A. The Application and Scope of Work from the WIKI shall be > > submitted to STF/SPI before the february 2024 meeting, > > disagreements in it shall be decided by the TC. To achieve > > continuity, submission shall be done by the same person as > > previous if possible. > > > > Option B. No Application and Scope of Work shall be submitted in > > february 2024 > > > > > > This is a RFC, so if you see errors in it please suggest changes Looks good to me. I was wondering it it would make sense to consider the next deadline as a different option, but this would add complexity to the vote and we don't even know if the grant would still be available by then, so it's best not to consider it for the moment. ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 05:29:26AM +0100, Michael Niedermayer wrote: > Hi all > > To do the STF/SPI thing properly, and make sure we do what the Community > wants. > We should do this vote: (unless lots of people reply and say we should skip > the vote) > (i am also CCing jonatan to make sure the option in the vote actually ask the > GA the > right question) > > The vote description will be as follows: > The STF/SPI has suggested us to submit an Application / Scope of work before > their february meeting. > There are about 2 weeks left. > The minimum grant is 150 000 € > The next STF meeting is expected to be in may. If we submit in february and > are not selected > we can probably try again in may. Which would increase our chances > If we do not submit in february we can probably submit in may. > There is no guarantee that money will be available in may, for example > between october 2023 > and february 2024 no funds where available AFAIK. > Wiki page is here: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2024 > > > Option A. The Application and Scope of Work from the WIKI shall be submitted > to STF/SPI before the february 2024 meeting, disagreements in it shall be > decided by the TC. To achieve continuity, submission shall be done by the > same person as previous if possible. > > Option B. No Application and Scope of Work shall be submitted in february 2024 > > > This is a RFC, so if you see errors in it please suggest changes I intend to start the vote in teh next 24h or so. If someone wants a option C or sees something that needs correcting please speak up soon and be precisse what/why should be changed (for an option C, if you want one please suggest an exact text) thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Any man who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust and willingly accepts the penalty by staying in jail in order to arouse the conscience of the community on the injustice of the law is at that moment expressing the very highest respect for law. - Martin Luther King Jr signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
Hi Jonatas On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 04:42:34PM -0300, Jonatas L. Nogueira via ffmpeg-devel wrote: [...] > Of course, if they voluntarily renounce the right to participate that's an > entirely different story. Anyone can do that, but that's entirely up to > them and trying to coerce them into doing so (or not doing so) would be > really frowned upon. In this first iteration of STF i mainly want to participate for 2 reasons 1. to fill the lack of people (ATM we have just one guy who isnt sure he even has time for his project) on the wiki 2. to troll people into adding themself (as in, if you dont, ill be there and will take the opertunity) So iam happy to renounce my participation in STF 2024-02 conditional we reach 200k € which is the target iam aiming at for the whole submission and noone else drops out and we arent in need of more developers for STF. It seems really dumb not to participate if we cant reach enough people to ask for a minimum of 150k and i think we should aim a tiny bit above that thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB Old school: Use the lowest level language in which you can solve the problem conveniently. New school: Use the highest level language in which the latest supercomputer can solve the problem without the user falling asleep waiting. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
Le torstaina 1. helmikuuta 2024, 19.45.52 EET Vittorio Giovara a écrit : > The same of course should apply to any other future funding, it must be > either the community (via GA) or a third party setting up the sponsorship. Neither the community or the GA can forbid people from seeking funding for themselves. I suppose that, in theory, developers could be required to sign an agreement to that effect before they are allowed to submit code for inclusion, but that seems neither practical, nor desirable to me. That is probably not what you meant, but that is what this reads like. Frankly, if Thilo secures the funding, it's between him and the German authorities what they want to spend it on, as long as it remains within the boundaries of applicable laws. If he can come with a project to fund Michael to maintain FFmpeg for a while, FFmpeg will be no worse off. Nobody should claim to represent FFmpeg without any kind of preexisting delegation to do so. If that was done, then that is very morally wrong. But realistically, we cannot enforce that. Some people did it in the past and will continue to do it in the future. It is effectively up the other parties to perform due diligence and not get fooled - if they even care. STF probably does not care; NAB most certainly does not care. Moreover pretenses of this process being open need to be dropped. It's not open if any and all objections are summarily rejected to put it politely. A short deadline is not an excuse, even if it was unavoidable. (And I remain unconvinced that public discussion could not start earlier than they did.) Ultimately, whatever comes out of this does not get any special exemption from code review standards and TC oversight, but that should be a given. Therefore this funding should much preferably be used toward as uncontroversial tasks as possible: Maintainance is a good example. SDR is a counter-example. With that long side note, while I agree with most of what you said otherwise, I don't think that there is any merit to excluding Michael from this process, doubly so if there are too few viable proposals. -- 雷米‧德尼-库尔蒙 http://www.remlab.net/ ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
> The same of course should apply to any other future funding, it must be either the community (via GA) or a third party setting up the sponsorship. I honestly didn't understood this part. Maybe because I'm not involved with FFmpeg internal workings and policies, but could you clarify the exact differences, here? (How it would work, etc.) As for the other part of the request, I can't comment on the inclusion or not of the restriction as that's still FFmpeg internal policies, but from SPI side, we try to avoid having the liaison approving their own expenses when it could indeed pose such risk (so if it's a purchase of hardware for example, there's no need as there are already two other peers reviewing it). Although usually liaisons avoid such situations on their own and often provide additional documentation in those cases. This avoids neatly conflicts of interest, as far as someone approving their own expense goes. I'm not sure why blocking them from participating altogether would be necessary, it sounds a bit like an intent to be a punishment and I really think in such case it should be dealt with separately. As Michael said, STF expect the procedure to be fair, a restriction which might look like a witch hunt could be refused regardless of the actual reason, so in my opinion there are two better ways to make such restriction and have a better chance of STF accepting it. 1. if Michael, Thilo and me received a penalty from FFmpeg which prevents them (us?) from doing contractor work for FFmpeg instead of approving the contract work with restrictions on who can participate, that would remain fair and be better documented altogether. As another poll, it would also ensure a right for defense and a well documented motivation. STF would be more likely to accept in such form. It also maintains the discussion over sponsorship impartial. 2. Another alternative is making a permanent governance that whoever procures sponsorships are not able to participate on them. This would almost definitely be accepted by STF and address better the concerns, although it might severely hinder FFmpeg capability to procure sponsorships in future as it serves as a strong incentive to NOT seek sponsorships in future (and is the main reason why some projects or entities make similar rules). Both alternatives should be considered fair by STF unless you really mess them up, so don't let their demand for fairness to escalate into a "you must let Jonatas to participate or no money for you!" or similar nonsense. Of course, if they voluntarily renounce the right to participate that's an entirely different story. Anyone can do that, but that's entirely up to them and trying to coerce them into doing so (or not doing so) would be really frowned upon. Att., Jonatas L. Nogueira (“Jesusalva”) On Thu, Feb 1, 2024, 14:46 Vittorio Giovara wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 5:29 AM Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> To do the STF/SPI thing properly, and make sure we do what the Community >> wants. >> We should do this vote: (unless lots of people reply and say we should >> skip the vote) >> (i am also CCing jonatan to make sure the option in the vote actually ask >> the GA the >> right question) >> >> The vote description will be as follows: >> The STF/SPI has suggested us to submit an Application / Scope of work >> before their february meeting. >> There are about 2 weeks left. >> The minimum grant is 150 000 € >> The next STF meeting is expected to be in may. If we submit in february >> and are not selected >> we can probably try again in may. Which would increase our chances >> If we do not submit in february we can probably submit in may. >> There is no guarantee that money will be available in may, for example >> between october 2023 >> and february 2024 no funds where available AFAIK. >> Wiki page is here: >> https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2024 >> >> >> Option A. The Application and Scope of Work from the WIKI shall be >> submitted to STF/SPI before the february 2024 meeting, disagreements in it >> shall be decided by the TC. To achieve continuity, submission shall be done >> by the same person as previous if possible. >> >> Option B. No Application and Scope of Work shall be submitted in february >> 2024 >> > > Since all objections and requests for more time have been ignored, and > this is happening anyway, can we add a small amendment for the sake of > transparency and for avoiding any conflict of interest? Whoever was > involved with the STF/SPI talks cannot be the recipient of the sponsorship. > The same of course should apply to any other future funding, it must be > either the community (via GA) or a third party setting up the sponsorship. > > I'm aware that would exclude Micheal, Thilo, and technically Jonatas, but > at this point it's the only way I can see this move forward in any > direction. > > Jonatas any feedback on this possibility? > Thank you > -- > Vittorio >
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 06:45:52PM +0100, Vittorio Giovara wrote: > On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 5:29 AM Michael Niedermayer > wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > To do the STF/SPI thing properly, and make sure we do what the Community > > wants. > > We should do this vote: (unless lots of people reply and say we should > > skip the vote) > > (i am also CCing jonatan to make sure the option in the vote actually ask > > the GA the > > right question) > > > > The vote description will be as follows: > > The STF/SPI has suggested us to submit an Application / Scope of work > > before their february meeting. > > There are about 2 weeks left. > > The minimum grant is 150 000 € > > The next STF meeting is expected to be in may. If we submit in february > > and are not selected > > we can probably try again in may. Which would increase our chances > > If we do not submit in february we can probably submit in may. > > There is no guarantee that money will be available in may, for example > > between october 2023 > > and february 2024 no funds where available AFAIK. > > Wiki page is here: > > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2024 > > > > > > Option A. The Application and Scope of Work from the WIKI shall be > > submitted to STF/SPI before the february 2024 meeting, disagreements in it > > shall be decided by the TC. To achieve continuity, submission shall be done > > by the same person as previous if possible. > > > > Option B. No Application and Scope of Work shall be submitted in february > > 2024 > > > > Since all objections and requests for more time have been ignored, and this > is happening anyway, can we add a small amendment for the sake of > transparency and for avoiding any conflict of interest? Whoever was > involved with the STF/SPI talks cannot be the recipient of the sponsorship. > The same of course should apply to any other future funding, it must be > either the community (via GA) or a third party setting up the sponsorship. > > I'm aware that would exclude Micheal, Thilo, and technically Jonatas, but > at this point it's the only way I can see this move forward in any > direction. Its very easy to add a Option C to the vote but there are 2 things that needs to be pointed out First, this may be considered "not fair" by STF, fairness being one thing that was explicitly mentioned in some of the mails from STF Second we currently dont have enough people on the wiki page to even get close to the minimum. So excluding from the few that are interrested in this is a strange move. Unless one just wants this to fail. thx [...] -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB "I am not trying to be anyone's saviour, I'm trying to think about the future and not be sad" - Elon Musk signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
> On Feb 1, 2024, at 9:45 AM, Vittorio Giovara > wrote: > > Since all objections and requests for more time have been ignored, and this > is happening anyway, can we add a small amendment for the sake of > transparency and for avoiding any conflict of interest? Whoever was > involved with the STF/SPI talks cannot be the recipient of the sponsorship. > The same of course should apply to any other future funding, it must be > either the community (via GA) or a third party setting up the sponsorship. > > I'm aware that would exclude Micheal, Thilo, and technically Jonatas, but > at this point it's the only way I can see this move forward in any > direction. Why would anyone (qualified) who wants to work on maintenance be excluded? - Cosmin ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
Re: [FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
On Thu, Feb 1, 2024 at 5:29 AM Michael Niedermayer wrote: > Hi all > > To do the STF/SPI thing properly, and make sure we do what the Community > wants. > We should do this vote: (unless lots of people reply and say we should > skip the vote) > (i am also CCing jonatan to make sure the option in the vote actually ask > the GA the > right question) > > The vote description will be as follows: > The STF/SPI has suggested us to submit an Application / Scope of work > before their february meeting. > There are about 2 weeks left. > The minimum grant is 150 000 € > The next STF meeting is expected to be in may. If we submit in february > and are not selected > we can probably try again in may. Which would increase our chances > If we do not submit in february we can probably submit in may. > There is no guarantee that money will be available in may, for example > between october 2023 > and february 2024 no funds where available AFAIK. > Wiki page is here: > https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2024 > > > Option A. The Application and Scope of Work from the WIKI shall be > submitted to STF/SPI before the february 2024 meeting, disagreements in it > shall be decided by the TC. To achieve continuity, submission shall be done > by the same person as previous if possible. > > Option B. No Application and Scope of Work shall be submitted in february > 2024 > Since all objections and requests for more time have been ignored, and this is happening anyway, can we add a small amendment for the sake of transparency and for avoiding any conflict of interest? Whoever was involved with the STF/SPI talks cannot be the recipient of the sponsorship. The same of course should apply to any other future funding, it must be either the community (via GA) or a third party setting up the sponsorship. I'm aware that would exclude Micheal, Thilo, and technically Jonatas, but at this point it's the only way I can see this move forward in any direction. Jonatas any feedback on this possibility? Thank you -- Vittorio ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
[FFmpeg-devel] [RFC] Vote STF/SPI 2024-02
Hi all To do the STF/SPI thing properly, and make sure we do what the Community wants. We should do this vote: (unless lots of people reply and say we should skip the vote) (i am also CCing jonatan to make sure the option in the vote actually ask the GA the right question) The vote description will be as follows: The STF/SPI has suggested us to submit an Application / Scope of work before their february meeting. There are about 2 weeks left. The minimum grant is 150 000 € The next STF meeting is expected to be in may. If we submit in february and are not selected we can probably try again in may. Which would increase our chances If we do not submit in february we can probably submit in may. There is no guarantee that money will be available in may, for example between october 2023 and february 2024 no funds where available AFAIK. Wiki page is here: https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/SponsoringPrograms/STF/2024 Option A. The Application and Scope of Work from the WIKI shall be submitted to STF/SPI before the february 2024 meeting, disagreements in it shall be decided by the TC. To achieve continuity, submission shall be done by the same person as previous if possible. Option B. No Application and Scope of Work shall be submitted in february 2024 This is a RFC, so if you see errors in it please suggest changes Thx -- Michael GnuPG fingerprint: 9FF2128B147EF6730BADF133611EC787040B0FAB If you fake or manipulate statistics in a paper in physics you will never get a job again. If you fake or manipulate statistics in a paper in medicin you will get a job for life at the pharma industry. signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ ffmpeg-devel mailing list ffmpeg-devel@ffmpeg.org https://ffmpeg.org/mailman/listinfo/ffmpeg-devel To unsubscribe, visit link above, or email ffmpeg-devel-requ...@ffmpeg.org with subject "unsubscribe".
