To whom it may concern.
Stop your harassment and withdraw your public insults against my person.
In light of prompt action from the Cc, I reserve any and all legal avenues
against Thilo Borgmann.
Le 24 avril 2024 09:07:43 GMT+03:00, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
a écrit :
>Hi,
>
>> Thilo is calling Kieran, myself and presumably Derek and JB trolls.
>>
>> This seems to be a pattern against anyone who disagrees with him.
>
>please avoid top-posting on this list [1].
>
>-Thilo
>
>[1] https://ffmpeg.org/mailing-list-faq.html#What-is-top_002dposting_003f-1
>
>
>> Le 22 avril 2024 04:25:20 GMT+08:00, Thilo Borgmann via ffmpeg-devel
>> a écrit :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On 21.04.24 10:47, Rémi Denis-Courmont wrote:
Hi,
I have been dragged privately into this issue so for the sake of
transparency, I will just sum up my side here.
Le 17 avril 2024 07:21:18 GMT+08:00, Devin Heitmueller
a écrit :
> Hello all,
>
> I wasn't looking to start trouble, but I didn't see any discussion of
> this on the mailing list so wanted to bring it to the developer
> community's attention.
>
> I attended the NAB conference and went by the "ffmpeg" booth on
> Sunday. What I found was a single table with the official ffmpeg
> banner hanging right next to a banner for the GPAC project, and two
> salespeople from GPAC handing out marketing literature and trying to
> educate me on why I should use their framework for my next project.
Thilo did announce that some unidentified party would be payind for FFmpeg
to hold a booth (this should be visible in the archives). Kieran raised
legitimate if not concerning questions based on his prior experience at
NAB.
>>> I announced that "We reiceived an anonymous corporate sponsorship for the
>>> booth, so there are no costs for the FFmpeg project to it (and no
>>> obligations, of course)."
>>>
>>> Kieran's reaction was raising concerns that he feels donors wouldn't want
>>> to see their SPI money spend on NAB [1][2] - ignoring that I'd just
>>> announced that there will be no donor's SPI money needed as there are no
>>> costs for FFmpeg.
>>>
>>> Kieran's reaction further was claiming that no plan has been provided who
>>> will actually be present on the booth [1][2] - ignoring that I'd just
>>> announced that "Any FFmpeg developer is welcome to join in and man the
>>> booth with me".
>>>
>>>
Thilo did not answer, which is inexcusable, especially considering that
there were several times that the questions were reiterated.
>>> Ignoring what has been said, making statements raising the impression that
>>> something contradictory would be the truth is trolling me and deceiving the
>>> other readers. No reason at all to feed the trolls - no matter how often
>>> the trolling is repeated.
>>>
>>>
Thilo privately called Kieran a "troll" as the lame pretext for not
answering the question (I can copy the CC privately if proof of this is
needed).
>>>
>>> And I just did publicly, for what I believe his reaction in the FFmpeg at
>>> NAB 2024 thread was and everyone can read to get their own impression in
>>> the archives. You think it's a lame pretext? The "questions" had been
>>> answered even before they were "raised" by Kieran.
>>>
>>>
In light of this, it seemed obvious that the FFmpeg booth would be a
disaster, pretty much how Kieran had predicted.
>>>
>>> In the light of... the costs being covered and me + any other volunteer
>>> manning the booth as announced or in the light of... the deceiving
>>> 'ignorance' in Kieran's statements?
>>> _Even if_ the coverage of the complete funding and/or manning the booth
>>> would have been unanswered, how would that have 'obviusly' concluded the
>>> booth to become a disaster?
>>> That conclusion itself appears not comprehensible.
>>>
>>>
So there you have it. On the bright side, FFmpeg was not footing the bill.
>>>
>>> I fear FFmpeg has to pay quite a high bill for all the trolling bullshit
>>> going on about this NAB presence alone.
>>>
>>>
I think everybody can make their own conclusions without me speculating or
opiniating further, so I will leave it at that.
>>>
>>> I very much hope everyone is making up their own opinion.
>>> Even you, who I think is not stupid, obviously was too easily made to
>>> takeover the 'payment is unclear', 'manning is unclear', 'will become a
>>> desaster' narrative here.
>>>
>>>
> I'm not saying that GPAC shouldn't be able to have a table at the
> conference, but it feels pretty misleading to have an "ffmpeg" booth
> listed in the conference materials, with a table prominently
> displaying the ffmpeg logo, with zero people from ffmpeg and people
> pushing users to use an alternative framework that some might actually
> considered to be a competitor to ffmpeg.
Agreed. Thanks for your tes
