Re: filmscanners: Where to buy a LS-4000
Leo Stachowicz wrote: So as a first scanner I've decided to buy the LS-4000 and have also been trying to find somewhere to get it from. It never hurts to make your first choice the right one, and in all likelihood the Nikon LS4000 will be stellar. However, I'd wait for a few reviews. The specs on the Kodak 3600 were very encouraging, but some people were quite disappointed in the software. Phil Edmunston, the author of Lemonade, suggests never buying a newly designed car in the first year. I have come to similar conclusions with most things. Unless you have to have it now, or you feel you need to be on the leading edge, you will probably pay a premium for having it first both in terms of price and in some defects which will be corrected in several months to come. Even the esteemed Polaroid SS4000 had a few trials in its early release. Just my opinion. Art
Re: filmscanners: pc monitors
One further consumer suggestion. If at all possible, try to get the store to agree to handle any warranty repairs for you (I'm not suggesting they do the repair, but that they handle shipping back and forth) Monitors are both expensive to ship, and vulnerable to damage, and sometimes the repair facility can be some distance away. Better yet try to get an over the counter exchange warranty (no too likely, but worth a try!). Art Michael Wilkinson wrote: 3 year warranty at $359 for a 21" monitor sounds good to me ! Well known brand name and seems to get favourable reviews in the comics. Don't forget that to run it at 1600x1200 and above with true colour and a high refresh rate you will need a top line graphics card regards
Re: filmscanners: pc monitors
A good variety of responses. I understand that Nokia brand name has been bought by Viewsonic. As someone mentioned ,point of origin can make a huge difference to quality. I can not say Im 100 % happy with any of my monitors and we are running Mitsubishi,iiyama,and CTX. The Sony died a while ago.The 21" iiyama is our best monitor with the most neutral colour whilst the Mitsubishi has a lot of controls and well saturated colours,the CTX,s.were lower priced items but perform suprisingly well straight from the box I have to say that whilst monitor quality is desirable ,in reality it makes no difference to your output . Im presuming of course that you are able to balance the monitors colours empirically with at least a known image or using the Photoshop settings or similar. The higher the resolution and refresh rate the better but don't let the absence of high spec put you of buying a budget monitor. If you are able to get a reliable colour rendition I recon that's the most important feature. Michael Wilkinson. 106 Holyhead Road,Ketley, Telford.Shropshire TF 15 DJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.infocus-photography.co.uk For Trannies and Negs from Digital Files
Re: filmscanners: Where to buy a LS-4000
"Arthur Entlich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phil Edmunston, the author of Lemonade, suggests never buying a newly designed car in the first year. Bear in mind most models are tested on the Japanese market before being released elsewhere. This is true of many Japanese manufacturers. It's a *really* bad idea to buy the Japanese model as soon as it is released, because they may not have got all the bugs out yet. Rob
re: filmscanners: OT (slightly): Epson 640U
Technically yes, but I am unaware of software to do so or the settings in Epson's twain driver. A hint from David Miller makes me think different conversions are done based on your destination choice. Can anyone confirm for me that the Epson 640U: a) Can output data in a colour space other than sRGB (eg. Adobe RGB) Unless Ed has changed VueScan it only outputs in sRGB and 8 Bits. The conversion from 16 to 8 is done in the scanner, which can be fed the table to do the conversions _with_ but I don't know of any program doing so. Perhaps silverfast. b) Can output more than 8bits per channel (using Vuescan perhaps?)
Re: filmscanners: OT (slightly): Epson 640U
Vuescan outputs in RGB only but not in sRGB alone about 9-10 other RGB color spaces are listed including Adobe, Bruce, Colormatch, Apple. etc. Vuescan also does output in 8 or 16 bits at your option (and 64 bits BTW). Maris - Original Message - From: "Alan Womack" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Majordomo leben.com" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 8:43 AM Subject: re: filmscanners: OT (slightly): Epson 640U | Technically yes, but I am unaware of software to do so or the settings in Epson's twain driver. A hint from David Miller makes me think different conversions are done based on your destination choice. | |Can anyone confirm for me that the Epson 640U: |a) Can output data in a colour space other than sRGB (eg. Adobe RGB) | | Unless Ed has changed VueScan it only outputs in sRGB and 8 Bits. The conversion from 16 to 8 is done in the scanner, which can be fed the table to do the conversions _with_ but I don't know of any program doing so. Perhaps silverfast. | |b) Can output more than 8bits per channel (using Vuescan perhaps?)
filmscanners: OT: Epson 1680 Flatbed Scanner
Any news about the 48 bit Epson 1680 flatbed scanner? Ron
Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available
Good morning Ed... I tried another download this AM, and I'm still only able to over-write existing 6.7.4 with 6.7.4 (again).Cannot get 6.7.5 to installTIA.Eddie Wiseman - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available In a message dated 3/2/2001 5:30:18 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a new download and a new re-install show 837..not 857.211...Still getting 6.7.4...Eddie Wiseman I restarted the apache web server. This should clear out anything that still might be in cache. The version on the web site is definitely 857,211 bytes. Regards, Ed Hamrick
RE: filmscanners: pc monitors
I've said this before, and it looks like it is time to say it again. The best 21" black matrix monitor I've ever seen is the Cornerstone 1700p (close sibling to the Hitachi 814). www.MonitorsDirect.com currently sells it for less than $1,000 (I bought it at $1,200 a few months ago). This is their top-end monitor. If you only need 1600x1200, you can save yourself $200 and get their 1500p. Reliability is often indicated by how inexpensive a service contract is relative to the purchase price. For $30, you can get a contract in which they will mail you a replacement the day you call them and tell them that your monitor is on a blink. Then at your leisure, you can pack up and ship the bum unit to them. And this is a five year warranty. 'Nuff said. Frank Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Arthur Entlich Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: pc monitors One further consumer suggestion. If at all possible, try to get the store to agree to handle any warranty repairs for you (I'm not suggesting they do the repair, but that they handle shipping back and forth) Monitors are both expensive to ship, and vulnerable to damage, and sometimes the repair facility can be some distance away. Better yet try to get an over the counter exchange warranty (no too likely, but worth a try!). Art Michael Wilkinson wrote: 3 year warranty at $359 for a 21" monitor sounds good to me ! Well known brand name and seems to get favourable reviews in the comics. Don't forget that to run it at 1600x1200 and above with true colour and a high refresh rate you will need a top line graphics card regards
filmscanners: OT but interesting - Interview with Jay Maisel
We've just finished an interview with Jay Maisel. For those who have never heard of him, he has always been recognized as one of the top natural light color photographers in the world. Shooting commercially since the mid 1950's, he has always considered himself a purist by not doing any in camera manipulation to only having dye transfer prints done of his images. His images and style have always defined the medium, and now years later, it's fascinating to see how current technology has changed his working style and his definitions. The entire text of the interview can be found at: http://BermanGraphics.com/jaymaisel.htm ::: Larry Berman Web Sites for Artists: http://BermanGraphics.com Compare Image Compression from the top Graphics Programs: http://ImageCompress.com Explore the Art Show Jury process from a web site: http://ArtShowJury.com :::
RE: filmscanners: Artixscan 4000t (Win Me/2k Pro ICC Profiling) [and Polaroid]
Roger, I am very sorry and disappointed to hear of your difficulties with your scanner. Polaroid prides itself on providing the best possible support to our customers. If you have been following this list for some time I think the consensus is Polaroid does provide good support. I have forwarded your note to the people who can act on it an correct the problem and I am SURE you will be hearing from them within 24 - 48 hours. One of the reasons I participate on this list is to be an advocate for customers who have problems with Polaroid such as your self. Fortunately there are not many complaints. For you and others on this list please do not hesitate to call on me should you have any issue. David Hemingway Polaroid Corporation -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 12:12 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: filmscanners: Artixscan 4000t (Win Me/2k Pro ICC Profiling) [and Polaroid]Mario, sorry to hear you are having support problems. All I can tell you is that support from Polaroid has got to be much much worse than anything you've experienced. I bought my Polaroid SprintScan 4000 last October and it is back for repair for the third time. The first two times, they kept it for over a month, didn't do anything to correct the problem, and returned it to me only after I called to ask why it was taking so long for them to fix it. One time they lost it and had to look for it in their repair shop. The last time they returned it, they failed to return my original shipping containers with the result that it suffered damage in transit (broken connector and scuff marks on top of the scanner). They don't seem to care if they fix it or not, and so far, they haven't even attempted. They simply return it without trying to repair it. For the record, the problem I'm having is that the scanner returns "black" scans, dark scans with vertical lines, etc. When (if?) I get it back from them, I'm going to have my credit card company "charge-back" the cost to the company I bought it from. I was then going to use the money to by a Kodak RFS 3600 to replace the Polaroid unit. But I read in Shutterbug magazine that the software for the Kodak RFS 3600 stinks. (Can't stink as bad as the Polaroid Corporation, though.) Now I'm thinking about buying the new Nikon 8000 ED scanner that will be available in April for US$3000. It's a 4000 dpi scanner that will handle 120 size film as well as 35 mm. Do you have any idea if Nikon's support is any good? Roger Miller Bremerton, Washington USA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
filmscanners: Vuescan vs Silverfast control
I'm trying to decide between Vuescan and Silverfast for use with my SS4000 scanner (Already own Silverfast, testing trial VS). My main question at this point is whether there is a fundamental difference in how the two programs control the scanner that allows one or the other to create better scans, ie, exposure time control or source light intensity. I realize that Silverfast has many more controlable variables, but I've heard that the VS control system is deceptively simple and that the software is actually able to get better scans somehow by the way it controls the scanner. Thanks. Joel Nisson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: filmscanners: Where to buy a LS-4000
It never hurts to make your first choice the right one, and in all likelihood the Nikon LS4000 will be stellar. However, I'd wait for a few reviews. The specs on the Kodak 3600 were very encouraging, but some people were quite disappointed in the software. Phil Edmunston, the author of Lemonade, suggests never buying a newly designed car in the first year. I have come to similar conclusions with most things. I agree Art.What you suggest is good advice in general. Unless you have to have it now, or you feel you need to be on the leading edge, you will probably pay a premium for having it first both in terms of price and in some defects which will be corrected in several months to come. Even the esteemed Polaroid SS4000 had a few trials in its early release. Its a risk,but i desperately need a scanner 2 weeks ago i paid 80 to have 19 slides scanned by a pro lab,and i have many more which i need to scan soon,and I'm no longer willing to waste money on something which i could do myself and at the same time what i would spend on the service could be put towards a scanner of my own.Its something I have been considering for quite a long time now,so i am by no means rushing into it. The other alternative is to buy a previous model,which i have also considered,and its an attractive alternative,since the price of the LS -3000 will fall(if it hasn't already)...but i don't see any point in investing in a scanner which has already been superceded. Basically I'm willing to risk a few defects(hopefully none too serious),more so because its manufactured by Nikon,which is a name i have a great deal of faith in.They haven't let me down so far! The extra premium i would pay for having the latest is probably the biggest issue with me,as the reason i am buying a scanner is to save money in the long term(as well as have more control over my photography) but i feel that i would probably recoup what i would normally spend on having slides scanned by the lab in the time it takes for the price of the scanner to fall..so i may as well buy now. Of course there is also the element of simply having the latest/greatest ...which might also play a small part in influencing me;) Leo
Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available
ED...as 1:10 PM East coast time, I'm still only getting 837 kb...Same as 6.7.4...Just an update FYI... Eddie wiseman - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available In a message dated 3/2/2001 5:30:18 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a new download and a new re-install show 837..not 857.211...Still getting 6.7.4...Eddie Wiseman I restarted the apache web server. This should clear out anything that still might be in cache. The version on the web site is definitely 857,211 bytes. Regards, Ed Hamrick
RE: filmscanners: OT but interesting - Interview with Jay Maisel
Excellent! His website is better than he lets on. Frank Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Larry Berman Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 8:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filmscanners: OT but interesting - Interview with Jay Maisel We've just finished an interview with Jay Maisel. For those who have never heard of him, he has always been recognized as one of the top natural light color photographers in the world. Shooting commercially since the mid 1950's, he has always considered himself a purist by not doing any in camera manipulation to only having dye transfer prints done of his images. His images and style have always defined the medium, and now years later, it's fascinating to see how current technology has changed his working style and his definitions. The entire text of the interview can be found at: http://BermanGraphics.com/jaymaisel.htm ::: Larry Berman Web Sites for Artists: http://BermanGraphics.com Compare Image Compression from the top Graphics Programs: http://ImageCompress.com Explore the Art Show Jury process from a web site: http://ArtShowJury.com :::
re[2]: filmscanners: OT (slightly): Epson 640U
This is after vuescan gets it and does a conversion from the sRGB provided from the scanner. Unless Ed has changed it and not noted this it the release notes he only brings back the values from the scanner under sRGB. I had asked if VueScan could return a RAW Scan for profiling purposes and he replied that techically capable but that featuer is not supported currently. Vuescan outputs in RGB only but not in sRGB alone about 9-10 other RGB color spaces are listed including Adobe, Bruce, Colormatch, Apple. etc. Vuescan also does output in 8 or 16 bits at your option (and 64 bits BTW). Maris
RE: filmscanners: Vuescan vs Silverfast control
I have an SS4000. I never did come to grips with Silverfast so really can't make a comparison. I know a lot more now and probably wouldn't have the difficulty with it I had when I first tried it, and I should revisit it. But what I can tell you is that I'm amazed by the consistency of VueScan. On most images, I require very little adjustement in PS to get outstanding results, and so my throughput is excellent. Frank Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joel Nisson Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filmscanners: Vuescan vs Silverfast control I'm trying to decide between Vuescan and Silverfast for use with my SS4000 scanner (Already own Silverfast, testing trial VS). My main question at this point is whether there is a fundamental difference in how the two programs control the scanner that allows one or the other to create better scans, ie, exposure time control or source light intensity. I realize that Silverfast has many more controlable variables, but I've heard that the VS control system is deceptively simple and that the software is actually able to get better scans somehow by the way it controls the scanner. Thanks. Joel Nisson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: filmscanners: Vuescan vs Silverfast control
Joel writes ... I'm trying to decide between Vuescan and Silverfast for use with my SS4000 scanner (Already own Silverfast, testing trial VS). My main question at this point is whether there is a fundamental difference in how the two programs control the scanner that allows one or the other to create better scans, ie, exposure time control or source light intensity. ... I am not that familiar with Silverfast, but it is my understanding that, although it provides the best control of a scan (... it was written up by Andrew Rodney as an example of a "advanced scanner software interface" www.digitaldog.net ...), it will only deliver 24bit data to your TIFF file, ultimately to your editing software, e.g., Photoshop. Silverfast, then is your best software for going from scanner, only minor editing, then onto your printer. On the other hand, VS will scan your films properly and deliver 48bit RGB data to the TIFF. If you consider Photoshop as a more capable editor for highbit data, then this is probably your best (better than Silverfast) option. However, this method is NOT as effortless as the workflow provided by Silverfast ... you may indeed spend more time with Photoshop getting the image exactly right (but probably no more time than was spent with SF in setting up the scan). my US$0.02 ... shAf :o)
RE: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available
Are you sure? Just downloaded and when you look at where it was saved, the folder window just says 838kb. BUT if you right click (PC) on the downloaded file and check the Properties, you find it is 857,211 bytes (in brackets) Tim A -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Edward Wiseman Sent: March 3, 2001 2:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available ED...as 1:10 PM East coast time, I'm still only getting 837 kb...Same as 6.7.4...Just an update FYI... Eddie wiseman - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:35 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available In a message dated 3/2/2001 5:30:18 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a new download and a new re-install show 837..not 857.211...Still getting 6.7.4...Eddie Wiseman I restarted the apache web server. This should clear out anything that still might be in cache. The version on the web site is definitely 857,211 bytes. Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: OT but interesting - Interview with Jay Maisel
Larry: Thanks for sharing this great interview with us. I met Jay back in '74 at his studio/office/home which is a 19th Century bank building down in the Bowery. Great shooter, great teacher. Thanks. Mike Moore Larry Berman wrote: We've just finished an interview with Jay Maisel. For those who have never heard of him, he has always been recognized as one of the top natural light color photographers in the world. Shooting commercially since the mid 1950's, he has always considered himself a purist by not doing any in camera manipulation to only having dye transfer prints done of his images. His images and style have always defined the medium, and now years later, it's fascinating to see how current technology has changed his working style and his definitions. The entire text of the interview can be found at: http://BermanGraphics.com/jaymaisel.htm ::: Larry Berman Web Sites for Artists: http://BermanGraphics.com Compare Image Compression from the top Graphics Programs: http://ImageCompress.com Explore the Art Show Jury process from a web site: http://ArtShowJury.com :::
Re: filmscanners: Where to buy a LS-4000
Switch brands perhaps to the Minolta Elite? Or get the Nikon LS-2000, which should be cheaper, or a refurb LS-30 temporarily, then resell it when the new ones come out and you've bought that one. Maris - Original Message - From: "Leo Stachowicz" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 11:42 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Where to buy a LS-4000 It never hurts to make your first choice the right one, and in all likelihood the Nikon LS4000 will be stellar. However, I'd wait for a few reviews. The specs on the Kodak 3600 were very encouraging, but some people were quite disappointed in the software. Phil Edmunston, the author of Lemonade, suggests never buying a newly designed car in the first year. I have come to similar conclusions with most things. I agree Art.What you suggest is good advice in general. Unless you have to have it now, or you feel you need to be on the leading edge, you will probably pay a premium for having it first both in terms of price and in some defects which will be corrected in several months to come. Even the esteemed Polaroid SS4000 had a few trials in its early release. Its a risk,but i desperately need a scanner 2 weeks ago i paid 80 to have 19 slides scanned by a pro lab,and i have many more which i need to scan soon,and I'm no longer willing to waste money on something which i could do myself and at the same time what i would spend on the service could be put towards a scanner of my own.Its something I have been considering for quite a long time now,so i am by no means rushing into it. The other alternative is to buy a previous model,which i have also considered,and its an attractive alternative,since the price of the LS -3000 will fall(if it hasn't already)...but i don't see any point in investing in a scanner which has already been superceded. Basically I'm willing to risk a few defects(hopefully none too serious),more so because its manufactured by Nikon,which is a name i have a great deal of faith in.They haven't let me down so far! The extra premium i would pay for having the latest is probably the biggest issue with me,as the reason i am buying a scanner is to save money in the long term(as well as have more control over my photography) but i feel that i would probably recoup what i would normally spend on having slides scanned by the lab in the time it takes for the price of the scanner to fall..so i may as well buy now. Of course there is also the element of simply having the latest/greatest ...which might also play a small part in influencing me;) Leo
Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available
THANKS to you ALL...I had a friend email it and we did a fresh install of 6.7.5 and VIOLA!...It works!!...This was the FIRST time I wasn't able to overwrite an upgrade...As someone suggested I did a re-name, and ground-up install... Eddie Wiseman - Original Message - From: "IronWorks" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available Try renaming 6.7.4 and then install 6.7.5 instead of over-writing 6.7.4 Maris - Original Message - From: "Edward Wiseman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 1:25 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available | Good morning Ed... | I tried another download this AM, and I'm still only able to over-write | existing 6.7.4 with 6.7.4 (again).Cannot get 6.7.5 to | installTIA.Eddie Wiseman | - Original Message - | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:35 PM | Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available | | | In a message dated 3/2/2001 5:30:18 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | a new download and a new re-install show 837..not 857.211...Still |getting 6.7.4...Eddie Wiseman | | I restarted the apache web server. This should clear out anything | that still might be in cache. The version on the web site is definitely | 857,211 bytes. | | Regards, | Ed Hamrick |
RE: filmscanners: Vuescan vs Silverfast control
I use both. I prefer Silverfast when scanning trannies (perhaps because I used it first). IMHO it give one excellent control and seems more integrated with the SS400. OTOH its complexity may put some off. I prefer Vuescan for negatives. Ed does a great job of providing an extensive list of profiles for most negative films. Only once was I not able to get a reasonable match. But that was for Kodak Max GT 800-2. Not my first choice in film. (I found a usable profile in PRD's Insight BTW. Try it, Vuescan is a grat deal, as it costs only US$40, and if you have a problem you can contact Ed here @ filmscanners. JHH -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Joel Nisson Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 12:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filmscanners: Vuescan vs Silverfast control I'm trying to decide between Vuescan and Silverfast for use with my SS4000 scanner (Already own Silverfast, testing trial VS). My main question at this point is whether there is a fundamental difference in how the two programs control the scanner that allows one or the other to create better scans, ie, exposure time control or source light intensity. I realize that Silverfast has many more controlable variables, but I've heard that the VS control system is deceptively simple and that the software is actually able to get better scans somehow by the way it controls the scanner. Thanks. Joel Nisson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available
Do you want me to e-mail you 6.7.5 off-list perhaps? Just let me know. Maris [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Edward Wiseman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available | ED...as 1:10 PM East coast time, I'm still only getting 837 kb...Same as | 6.7.4...Just an update FYI... | Eddie wiseman | - Original Message - | From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 2:35 PM | Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available | | | In a message dated 3/2/2001 5:30:18 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: | | a new download and a new re-install show 837..not 857.211...Still |getting 6.7.4...Eddie Wiseman | | I restarted the apache web server. This should clear out anything | that still might be in cache. The version on the web site is definitely | 857,211 bytes. | | Regards, | Ed Hamrick |
Re: re[2]: filmscanners: OT (slightly): Epson 640U
In a message dated 3/3/2001 1:31:55 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is after vuescan gets it and does a conversion from the sRGB provided from the scanner. Unless Ed has changed it and not noted this it the release notes he only brings back the values from the scanner under sRGB. Yes, VueScan transfers the raw samples as linear samples (i.e. not gamma corrected) using the same color primaries as sRGB. If you do a scan of a Q60 calibration slide using this scanner, you'll see that only the saturated yellows are slightly out of gamut and some of the saturated cyans are slightly out of gamut. Since these colors occur rarely (if ever) in real photographs, this isn't really a problem. Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available
OT ..but OK..80 Gigabytes of SNOW due tomorrow..."Film at 11...Stay tuned!" - Original Message - From: "Dale Gail" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 12:27 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available On your time updates could you include the weather updates too:) From: "Edward Wiseman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ED...as 1:10 PM East coast time, I'm still only getting 837 kb...Same as 6.7.4...Just an update FYI...
RE: filmscanners: pc monitors
Frank, I have a Hitachi CM815 Plus which is a 21" monitor that sells from PC Connection for $1099US. I lucked out last Xmas when I bought it from Onvia.com for $970 US with them picking up the shipping and handling. I am very pleased with it; it has a 3 year warranty. Prior to it, I had the 21" Hitachi CM803 which I also liked very much until it went bad 1 month before the warrenty was to expire. I sent it back for warenty repair but UPS destroyed it completely int he process of shipping it. I bought it originally for around $1300 plus $40 shipping; since it was insured for that amount, UPS reimbursed me the full amount of $1340 US. With that money, I now have a new 21" Hitachi 815+ monitor with a brand new 3 year warrenty as well as a upgrade copy of Photoshop 6.O. I hope that the Hitachi 815+ comprises a closer sibling to the Cornerstone 1700p than the hitachi CM 814 or is better than the Cornerstone. At any rate if the two are close in performance, I would think that either would be a very high quality good buy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Frank Paris Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 10:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: filmscanners: pc monitors I've said this before, and it looks like it is time to say it again. The best 21" black matrix monitor I've ever seen is the Cornerstone 1700p (close sibling to the Hitachi 814). www.MonitorsDirect.com currently sells it for less than $1,000 (I bought it at $1,200 a few months ago). This is their top-end monitor. If you only need 1600x1200, you can save yourself $200 and get their 1500p. Reliability is often indicated by how inexpensive a service contract is relative to the purchase price. For $30, you can get a contract in which they will mail you a replacement the day you call them and tell them that your monitor is on a blink. Then at your leisure, you can pack up and ship the bum unit to them. And this is a five year warranty. 'Nuff said. Frank Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Arthur Entlich Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: pc monitors One further consumer suggestion. If at all possible, try to get the store to agree to handle any warranty repairs for you (I'm not suggesting they do the repair, but that they handle shipping back and forth) Monitors are both expensive to ship, and vulnerable to damage, and sometimes the repair facility can be some distance away. Better yet try to get an over the counter exchange warranty (no too likely, but worth a try!). Art Michael Wilkinson wrote: 3 year warranty at $359 for a 21" monitor sounds good to me ! Well known brand name and seems to get favourable reviews in the comics. Don't forget that to run it at 1600x1200 and above with true colour and a high refresh rate you will need a top line graphics card regards
Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available
On your time updates could you include the weather updates too:) From: "Edward Wiseman" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ED...as 1:10 PM East coast time, I'm still only getting 837 kb...Same as 6.7.4...Just an update FYI...
Re: filmscanners: Where to buy a LS-4000
I got on a waiting list with a Nikon dealer in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, back in early February. I was fortunate (maybe, maybe not, depending on whether the first units that ship work) to be second on his waiting list. Nikon is rationing out the new units based on orders received from their dealers. The local Nikon rep suggested that maybe the first few would arrive in mid-February. The latest update is mid March. Of course that's subject to revision in mid-March. I'll let you know when mine arrives. Bob Kehl - Original Message - From: Dieder Bylsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 9:05 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Where to buy a LS-4000 At 23:35 +1000 03/03/01, Rob Geraghty wrote: "Arthur Entlich" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Phil Edmunston, the author of Lemonade, suggests never buying a newly designed car in the first year. Bear in mind most models are tested on the Japanese market before being released elsewhere. This is true of many Japanese manufacturers. It's a *really* bad idea to buy the Japanese model as soon as it is released, because they may not have got all the bugs out yet. Rob um Nikon Japan hasn't even announced it. =( This is why I'm trying to get it from the States...otherwise I'd've bought it here if it were even announced and available here. Seems a bit ass-backwards to buy a Nikon product from the USA when it was probably made in Japan and bring it back to Japan, but what can I do? My LS-30 is fried and to get it repaired will take as long as getting an LS-4000. D. -- -- Dieder Bylsma | __|
RE: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available
It probably said 837kb. If so, then, as I explained in a previous post, those are exactly the same numbers. Frank Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tim Atherton Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 10:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available Are you sure? Just downloaded and when you look at where it was saved, the folder window just says 838kb. BUT if you right click (PC) on the downloaded file and check the Properties, you find it is 857,211 bytes (in brackets)
Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available
Reminder: Please remember that you will most likely need your registration number to do that. Gordon IronWorks wrote: Try renaming 6.7.4 and then install 6.7.5 instead of over-writing 6.7.4 Maris
RE: filmscanners: pc monitors
Lauri, I'm up on the Hitachi site right now, and it appears they have replaced the 814 with the 815+. It's the exact same tube, and the specs look identical. That tube is also used in the 811 and 813 (looks like they dropped the 812). It is also the same tube used in the Cornerstone p1500, p1600, and p1700. Now I'm visiting the Cornerstone direct outlet site (www.monitorsdirect.com) and I notice that the advanced replacement insurance policy is now $79 and is only for 3 years, as opposed to $30 and 5 years when I got it just six months ago. I guess that's what happens when the price falls from $1,200 (when I got it) to $950 (the current price). Still a good deal, though. I went to MonitorsDirect comparison guide and there are only two differences between the p1700 and the Hitachi CM815+: Hitachi CM815+ has been built to more current emissions standards (TCO-99 vs. TCO-95, but I have no idea what the difference is), and costs $150 more than the Cornerstone. Their price is $1,106, $7 more than your quoted price from PC Connection. $949 for the Cornerstone. I know that my p1700 is slightly crisper than the 814 I liked so much at a former place of employment. I'm curious about what resolution and refresh rate at which you are running your 815+. I'm at 1856x1392 and 75 Hz on my p1700. I find that when I go to 85 Hz under Windows 2000, I lose crispness. I did not notice this loss when I was under Windows 98SE, although I can't imagine why there would be that difference, but it was noticeable booting back and forth on my dual boot system. Frank Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Laurie Solomon Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 12:56 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: filmscanners: pc monitors Frank, I have a Hitachi CM815 Plus which is a 21" monitor that sells from PC Connection for $1099US. I lucked out last Xmas when I bought it from Onvia.com for $970 US with them picking up the shipping and handling. I am very pleased with it; it has a 3 year warranty. Prior to it, I had the 21" Hitachi CM803 which I also liked very much until it went bad 1 month before the warrenty was to expire. I sent it back for warenty repair but UPS destroyed it completely int he process of shipping it. I bought it originally for around $1300 plus $40 shipping; since it was insured for that amount, UPS reimbursed me the full amount of $1340 US. With that money, I now have a new 21" Hitachi 815+ monitor with a brand new 3 year warrenty as well as a upgrade copy of Photoshop 6.O. I hope that the Hitachi 815+ comprises a closer sibling to the Cornerstone 1700p than the hitachi CM 814 or is better than the Cornerstone. At any rate if the two are close in performance, I would think that either would be a very high quality good buy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Frank Paris Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 10:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: filmscanners: pc monitors I've said this before, and it looks like it is time to say it again. The best 21" black matrix monitor I've ever seen is the Cornerstone 1700p (close sibling to the Hitachi 814). www.MonitorsDirect.com currently sells it for less than $1,000 (I bought it at $1,200 a few months ago). This is their top-end monitor. If you only need 1600x1200, you can save yourself $200 and get their 1500p. Reliability is often indicated by how inexpensive a service contract is relative to the purchase price. For $30, you can get a contract in which they will mail you a replacement the day you call them and tell them that your monitor is on a blink. Then at your leisure, you can pack up and ship the bum unit to them. And this is a five year warranty. 'Nuff said. Frank Paris [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Arthur Entlich Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 5:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: pc monitors One further consumer suggestion. If at all possible, try to get the store to agree to handle any warranty repairs for you (I'm not suggesting they do the repair, but that they handle shipping back and forth) Monitors are both expensive to ship, and vulnerable to damage, and sometimes the repair facility can be some distance away. Better yet try to get an over the counter exchange warranty (no too likely, but worth a try!). Art Michael Wilkinson wrote: 3 year warranty at $359 for a 21" monitor sounds good to me ! Well known brand name and seems to get favourable reviews in the comics. Don't forget that to run it at 1600x1200 and above with true colour and a high refresh rate you will need a top line graphics card regards
Re: re[2]: filmscanners: OT (slightly): Epson 640U
If you use Ektachrome E6, you will obtain saturated colors far exceeding the gamut of sRGB. For this media, you should use a wider color space such as Ekta Space which encompasses (just barely) the gamut of E6. In addition, you should not save these files using the sRGB profile, or they will be clipped, meaning that space compression attributes such as greyscale distortions, and lost tonality - meaning loss of saturation - will take place irreversibly. Unless you rescan. If you are concerned that you haven't captured saturated colors in the first place, you can drop your scanned slide image file (making sure it is not scanned into sRGB onto (drag and drop) Chromix's ColorThink gamut analysis software (Mac only). This will then give you (in any coordinate system you want L.a.b., xyz, luv, etc.) the gamut latitude of your photograph image and compare that gamut with gamuts of sRGB, EktaSpace, AdobeRGB, or KodakProRGB. The reason these (gamut conversions) changes are irreversible is because the compression/expansion algorithms and transforms are not perfect and because the repsective gamuts are highly irregular three dimensional "globs". Stuffing one glob into another - or expanding one in another causes non linear distortions. sRGB matches the gamut of most "good" monitors, and was chosen as a default by Microsoft Windows, and other PC software. But it should be emphasized that this is a restricting space and it will (potentially) clip your work. Once your image is in sRGB, it cannot be "widened" to a larger space without again introducing gamut expansion artifacts, such as posterazation, and more greyscale (crossover) distortions. Think carefully about color spaces, and plan your workflow accordingly! In a message dated 3/3/2001 1:31:55 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is after vuescan gets it and does a conversion from the sRGB provided from the scanner. Unless Ed has changed it and not noted this it the release notes he only brings back the values from the scanner under sRGB. Yes, VueScan transfers the raw samples as linear samples (i.e. not gamma corrected) using the same color primaries as sRGB. If you do a scan of a Q60 calibration slide using this scanner, you'll see that only the saturated yellows are slightly out of gamut and some of the saturated cyans are slightly out of gamut. Since these colors occur rarely (if ever) in real photographs, this isn't really a problem. Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: re[2]: filmscanners: OT (slightly): Epson 640U
In a message dated 3/3/2001 5:46:16 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you use Ektachrome E6, you will obtain saturated colors far exceeding the gamut of sRGB. No, this just isn't true. Take a look at the data for the Q60 and you'll see that there's very little out of gamut, mostly highly saturated yellows and cyans that don't occur in most people's pictures. There's virtually nothing out of gamut when scanning negatives because of the orange mask. Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: OT but interesting - Interview with Jay Maisel
Thanks very much Larry. I really enjoyed that interview. At 11:37 AM 03/03/2001 -0500, you wrote: We've just finished an interview with Jay Maisel. For those who have never heard of him, he has always been recognized as one of the top natural light color photographers in the world. Shooting commercially since the mid 1950's, he has always considered himself a purist by not doing any in camera manipulation to only having dye transfer prints done of his images. His images and style have always defined the medium, and now years later, it's fascinating to see how current technology has changed his working style and his definitions. The entire text of the interview can be found at: http://BermanGraphics.com/jaymaisel.htm ::: Larry Berman Web Sites for Artists: http://BermanGraphics.com Compare Image Compression from the top Graphics Programs: http://ImageCompress.com Explore the Art Show Jury process from a web site: http://ArtShowJury.com :::
Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available
No - the registration number appears to be saved in the registry - I always rename the old, then install the new without problem and without re-registration. Maris - Original Message - From: "Gordon Tassi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 4:03 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan 6.7.5 Available | Reminder: Please remember that you will most likely need your registration | number to do that. | | Gordon | | IronWorks wrote: | | Try renaming 6.7.4 and then install 6.7.5 instead of over-writing 6.7.4 | | Maris | |
filmscanners: Vuescan - A few technical questions
For Ed Hamrick (most likely): I just purchased Vuescan and have a few technical questions: 1. In the Color balance tab, what is the difference between "Neutral" and "Auto Levels?" 2. Also in Color balance, does "White balance" assume that the lightest object in the image is white? Can it be used if there are no white objects in the frame? 3. When should Options/Long scan not be used. I assume it is useful for bringing out shadow detail, but it seems to me that it would always be good to use, since "auto exposure should control blowout. Are there situations where it might cause problems? 4. How does Vuescan calibrate the scanner? When I pull down "calibrate" from the device menu, nothing seems to happen. Don't you need an IT8 target or equivalent to calibrate a scanner? Thanks. Joel Nisson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: re[2]: filmscanners: OT (slightly): Epson 640U
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/3/2001 1:31:55 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is after vuescan gets it and does a conversion from the sRGB provided from the scanner. Yes, VueScan transfers the raw samples as linear samples (i.e. not gamma corrected) using the same color primaries as sRGB. If you do a scan of a Q60 calibration slide using this scanner, you'll see that only the saturated yellows are slightly out of gamut and some of the saturated cyans are slightly out of gamut. Since these colors occur rarely (if ever) in real photographs, this isn't really a problem. *sigh* Which makes me wonder whether I need to replace my HP Scanjet IIIc if the sRGB limitation isn't that much of a problem. I've tried asking on the Epson inkjet list what flatbed brands/models are best for profiling and nobody seemed interested in making a response. I can get a new Epson scanner at a reasonable price, but if I'd be better off with a Umax or Microtek, I'd rather buy the right one in the first place! I think I *do* need to replace the HP IIIc not because the output is sRGB but because it's old and the A/D technology is not as good as current technology. Its definition in shadows is not great, which is more probably the limitation imposed on profiles made with it than sRGB. :-7 Rob
Re: re[2]: filmscanners: OT (slightly): Epson 640U
This has been worked to death by the experts. See Bruce Fraser, or go directly to J Homes, who created the EktaSpace gamut in the first place - so that there was a wide enough space to completely envelop E6 - judiciously, meaning that "no levels out of the 256 are wasted". Or, if you choose, obtain software such as ColorThink (CHROMix.com site) or ICCTools.com site for gamut analysis profile viewing software, which will illustrate in 3 dimensional views the nature of these profiles. Then there is this type of data: Percent of Visible Spectrum included Kodak Prophoto 27.94% Wide Gamut RGB 22.94% Ekta Space (J. Homes)20.65% Adobe RGB 1998 18.04% sRGB 14.47% Epson 1270 "Standard"13.39% Radius ColorMatchRGB custom 12.78% 1270 PQP 2/21/01 custom 10.72% Epson 1270 Premium Glossy (std9.63% Epson1520 PQPP custom (Steve Upton) 8.24% EuroscaleCoated.icc 8.05% Epson 1270 Olmec Glossy (Ian Lyons) 7.95% CS ColorMatch 3.01 SWOP Sf C 7.63% USSheetfedCoated.icc 7.27% The Ekta Space was developed by J. Homes using a Q60 Target of and for Ektachrome obtained from Kodak, but you can go to the Chromix site (profilecenter.com) and look into it. Plus there is a wealth of correspondence on this particular subject. These people (color scientists, and others who publish) consider sRGB an inferior space, sort of like "viewing your image through a keyhole - - ". Meaning small space. After doing quite a bit of my own analysis using a multitude of gamut spaces represented by targets and ICC profiles, I agree. It is true that sRGB is lacking in the blue/green sector, particularly at low luminosity values. But you can easily get chroma levels off an Ektachrome slide that blow outside the sRGB confine. Which is why color expert Homes created Ekta Space in the first place. Negative film and E6 Ektachrome are different animals. In a message dated 3/3/2001 5:46:16 PM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you use Ektachrome E6, you will obtain saturated colors far exceeding the gamut of sRGB. No, this just isn't true. Take a look at the data for the Q60 and you'll see that there's very little out of gamut, mostly highly saturated yellows and cyans that don't occur in most people's pictures. There's virtually nothing out of gamut when scanning negatives because of the orange mask. Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: Vuescan - A few technical questions
Joel writes ... For Ed Hamrick (most likely): I'm going to throw my own observations in here and hope Ed addresses them as well. ... 1. In the Color balance tab, what is the difference between "Neutral" and "Auto Levels?" If you use auto levels, and after the scan is done (you can 'scan memory' without creating any files) ... you inspect the whitepoint values by unchecking "auto whitepoint", you'll see different values determined as best by VS. Presumably if you had used "neutral" these values would be identical. I've never had much luck with "neutral" ... BUT if I change the differing RGB whitepoint values, as determined with "auto", to something representative of all three but equal (e.g., an average of the three), I get something entirely different. I've cured some improper hues with the latter method, whereas I wasn't happy with using "neutral". I use "auto levels" ... but it seems I always involve myself with playing with the automatically determined values, usually making them equal and nudging them only slightly. These whitepoint values can affect the resulting "crop" quite a bit. Use them together with brightness and gamma to get your scan just right before you create the final TIFF. I usually 'scan memory', while creating low res JPEGs ... inspect them in Photoshop, and when I finally like what I see, I crop to the final full res TIFF. 2. Also in Color balance, does "White balance" assume that the lightest object in the image is white? Can it be used if there are no white objects in the frame? Experiment with this and let us know what you settle with. Which scanner are you using?? 3. When should Options/Long scan not be used. I assume it is useful for bringing out shadow detail, but it seems to me that it would always be good to use, since "auto exposure should control blowout. Are there situations where it might cause problems? I realized for my LS-2000 Coolscan, the 2nd pass would not properly register with the 1st ... bummer!! ... 4. How does Vuescan calibrate the scanner? When I pull down "calibrate" from the device menu, nothing seems to happen. Don't you need an IT8 target or equivalent to calibrate a scanner? Only some scanners can use this feature ... but it has nothing to do with a reference target ... more to do with measuring where in the frame senisitivity to light changes. shAf :o)
