Re: filmscanners: OT: talking to children

2001-04-12 Thread Arthur Entlich



Laurie Solomon wrote:


 
 But let us not make this into a mountain out of a mole hill. :-)

I think the idea is to make a molehill out of a mountain.

Being able to speak on a subject that one is knowledgeable on many 
different levels, so that children or lay people up to experts can 
understand (not all at the same time, necessarily) is a talent and like 
many talents, takes training.

It neither makes the speaker more or less knowledgeable or intelligent, 
IMHO, simply more accessible.

As someone who prides himself on this ability, I can tell you it takes 
both time and effort to develop.  It is a form of translation, not 
unlike translating a story or book from one language to another.  It 
also means being able to listen to person one is communicating with, and 
adjusting ones thoughts and vocabulary to their level of understanding.

Art





Re: filmscanners: VueScan+ED4000 MAC

2001-04-12 Thread Jeremy Brookfield



Dale  Gail wrote:

 From: "Mikael Risedal" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  I will do a test with VueScan and compare it to other softwares
  But I have a problem with VueScan and ED 4000. VueScan cant find the
  scanner.
  If I try my LS2000 and scussi - no problem with VueScan
  NikonScan 3.0 find  the scanner ED 4000 right away so there are no problem
  with the firewire connection
 
  MAC computer. MacOs 9.
  Suggestions???

Move to an PC ? There, VueScan found the ED 4000 immediately.

Jeremy Brookfield




Re: filmscanners: VueScan+ED4000 MAC

2001-04-12 Thread Mikael Risedal

Thanks  Dieder. I E-mail Ed and see if I can get any answer.
(what about your ftp ??? )  (I have 3.1  plugin)
Mikael





From: Dieder Bylsma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan+ED4000 MAC
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:56:29 +0900

At 16:27 -0400 04/11/01, Dale  Gail wrote:


From: "Mikael Risedal" [EMAIL PROTECTED]


  I will do a test with VueScan and compare it to other softwares
  But I have a problem with VueScan and ED 4000. VueScan cant find the
  scanner.
  If I try my LS2000 and scussi - no problem with VueScan
  NikonScan 3.0 find  the scanner ED 4000 right away so there are no 
problem
  with the firewire connection

  MAC computer. MacOs 9.
  Suggestions???


I have one suggestion, e-mail Ed  Hamrick (author of VueScan) and explain
the problem you are having with VueScan not recognizing the LS4000. You 
can
get Ed via:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]  or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

be easy on Edhe's on vacation right now=)

D.
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Re: filmscanners: VueScan+ED4000 MAC

2001-04-12 Thread Mikael Risedal

I realy like answers like  this!!!
Mikel


From: "Jeremy Brookfield" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan+ED4000 MAC
Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:05:03 +0200



Dale  Gail wrote:

  From: "Mikael Risedal" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
   I will do a test with VueScan and compare it to other softwares
   But I have a problem with VueScan and ED 4000. VueScan cant find the
   scanner.
   If I try my LS2000 and scussi - no problem with VueScan
   NikonScan 3.0 find  the scanner ED 4000 right away so there are no 
problem
   with the firewire connection
  
   MAC computer. MacOs 9.
   Suggestions???

Move to an PC ? There, VueScan found the ED 4000 immediately.

Jeremy Brookfield


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filmscanners: CD Printing

2001-04-12 Thread Chuck Phelps

Good morning list,  (at least to the ones were it's morning)

I am trying to find what inkjet printer is being used to print onto
CD's.  Has anyone had any experience with this?

Chuck Phelps



filmscanners: Minolta Elite, Nikon LS-40, Acer 2740S

2001-04-12 Thread Egil Rognvik

Has anyone got any good advice on which one I should choose, Minolta Elite, 
Nikon LS-40 (CoolScan IV) or Acer 2740S? I know of the differences "on 
paper", and I like the Acer for SCSI batch scanning of slides, the Minolta 
for SCSI and singlepass multiscanning, and the Nikon for the LED's and 
auto/manual focus.

How do they compare on image quality (sharpness, color, noise...)?

I will be scanning slides, mostly Kodachrome.


Egil Rognvik




Re: filmscanners: CD Printing

2001-04-12 Thread Larry Berman

Hi Chuck,

Check this web site out:
http://www.affex.com/main.html

I have no experience with it, but came across it while doing research.

Larry


I am trying to find what inkjet printer is being used to print onto
CD's.  Has anyone had any experience with this?


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http://BermanGraphics.com
http://IRDreams.com
http://ImageCompress.com

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Re: filmscanners: VueScan+ED4000 MAC

2001-04-12 Thread Dale Gail

You are welcome. Name is Dale Not Dieder.

Dale


- Original Message -
From: "Mikael Risedal" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan+ED4000 MAC


 Thanks  Dieder. I E-mail Ed and see if I can get any answer.
 (what about your ftp ??? )  (I have 3.1  plugin)
 Mikael





 From: Dieder Bylsma [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: filmscanners: VueScan+ED4000 MAC
 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:56:29 +0900
 
 At 16:27 -0400 04/11/01, Dale  Gail wrote:
 
 
 From: "Mikael Risedal" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 
   I will do a test with VueScan and compare it to other softwares
   But I have a problem with VueScan and ED 4000. VueScan cant find the
   scanner.
   If I try my LS2000 and scussi - no problem with VueScan
   NikonScan 3.0 find  the scanner ED 4000 right away so there are no
 problem
   with the firewire connection
 
   MAC computer. MacOs 9.
   Suggestions???
 
 
 I have one suggestion, e-mail Ed  Hamrick (author of VueScan) and
explain
 the problem you are having with VueScan not recognizing the LS4000. You
 can
 get Ed via:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 be easy on Edhe's on vacation right now=)
 
 D.
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 Dieder Bylsma |





Re: filmscanners: ColorCorrectionLink

2001-04-12 Thread Tony Sleep

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:04:34 -0600  Michael Moore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

 Tony: This was a test... I believe it was Einstein who said that if 
you 
 cannot
 explain a complex concept to a child, then you do not truly 
understand 
 it
 yourself   :)

Drat, I meant to add this quote! - an alternative view :)

'A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child 
of five'
- Groucho Marx

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner 
info  comparisons



RE: filmscanners: OT: talking to children

2001-04-12 Thread Laurie Solomon

Gee Art, I did not understand a word you said; but I think I agree with you.
:-)

is a talent and like many talents, takes training.

However, the training is not always successful with everyone who undergoes
it. :-)

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Arthur Entlich
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: filmscanners: OT: talking to children




Laurie Solomon wrote:



 But let us not make this into a mountain out of a mole hill. :-)

I think the idea is to make a molehill out of a mountain.

Being able to speak on a subject that one is knowledgeable on many
different levels, so that children or lay people up to experts can
understand (not all at the same time, necessarily) is a talent and like
many talents, takes training.

It neither makes the speaker more or less knowledgeable or intelligent,
IMHO, simply more accessible.

As someone who prides himself on this ability, I can tell you it takes
both time and effort to develop.  It is a form of translation, not
unlike translating a story or book from one language to another.  It
also means being able to listen to person one is communicating with, and
adjusting ones thoughts and vocabulary to their level of understanding.

Art





Re: filmscanners: Lot of newbie questions

2001-04-12 Thread Tony Sleep

On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:25:26 -0700  Arthur Entlich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

  4. Minolta manual says emulsion side should be up. That way
  
  slides come out reversed. Is that really OK?
  
 
 It would seem to me that the slides should come out correctly.  If 
they 
 are reversed, Minolta is out to lunch IMHO.  There should be enough 
 depth of field with that unit to avoid focusing problems.  Unless 
there 
 is a refection problem with one side versus the other, I would scan 
so 
 it is correctly read.

Yes. This used was an error in the Minolta manual. I am amazed it is 
still there, uncorrected, something like 18months later.

 
  5. I've been trying Vuescan and since it seems that consensus
  
  on this list is that the best way to use it is to output raw files
  
  that's what I've been doing but...
  
  ...some of the scans stay very dark no matter what I do in
  
  Photoshop (I'm not new to Photoshop-started with v. 2.5.1-
  
  but not expert with curves either).
  
  Are these slides cases for multipass exposure?
  
 
 Slides that manifest darker shadows or underexposure are good 
 candidates for multiple expose, in general.

Quite possibly it will just be a matter of setting levels in PS (white 
and black points, and gamma via the midtone slider).

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio  exhibit; + film scanner 
info  comparisons



Re: filmscanners: Minolta Elite, Nikon LS-40, Acer 2740S

2001-04-12 Thread Michael Moore

I cannot opine as to the new Nikon... it's not been on the market long enough
for the real bugs to come crawling out... I own a Minolta Elite... it has given
me good service and great scans... it doesn't have batch scanning, but the
scans I get are sharp and well exposed... My local pro shop steered me to the
Minolta over the LS 2000 Nikon (which I was ready to buy and they sell both)...
The Minolta scan software is user friendly, I use it to TWAIN 16 bit linear
scans into PShop, where I do the adjustments  No comment on the Acer, since
I don't own one. My only comment is that the new Canon scanner ought to be on
your list as well, and if you don't have to buy one right now, you might want
to wait to see if Minolta comes out with a new machine in the next few
months...

Mike Moore

Egil Rognvik wrote:

 Has anyone got any good advice on which one I should choose, Minolta Elite,
 Nikon LS-40 (CoolScan IV) or Acer 2740S? I know of the differences "on
 paper", and I like the Acer for SCSI batch scanning of slides, the Minolta
 for SCSI and singlepass multiscanning, and the Nikon for the LED's and
 auto/manual focus.

 How do they compare on image quality (sharpness, color, noise...)?

 I will be scanning slides, mostly Kodachrome.

 Egil Rognvik




Re: filmscanners: ColorCorrectionLink

2001-04-12 Thread Terry Carroll

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Tony Sleep wrote:

 Tony: This was a test... I believe it was Einstein who said that if
 you cannot explain a complex concept to a child, then you do not truly
 understand it yourself  :)

I used to write patents, and my group used to use what we called the
"mother test"; you should write the patent application in such a way that
you could read it to your mother, and she would understand the basic point
of the invention.  If you could do that, there was a good chance that even
a patent examiner could understamd it.

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Re: filmscanners: ColorCorrectionLink

2001-04-12 Thread Richard Starr

--- You wrote:
'A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child 
of five'
- Groucho Marx

Regards 

Tony Sleep
--- end of quoted material ---
Anyone who quotes Groucho can join my club any time.

Meanwhile, I read that article and thought it was very interesting and answered
some questions I had.  It might explain some of the display problems I've
mentioned in Photoshop...like if it is displaying in one intent and printing in
another, that would explaing the discrepencies I see on the screen.  I now have
a better idea of what some of the preferences choices in PS actually mean.

Thanks for the reference!
Rich



RE: filmscanners: ColorCorrectionLink

2001-04-12 Thread Shough, Dean

 I used to write patents, and my group used to use what we called the
 "mother test"; you should write the patent application in such a way that
 you could read it to your mother, and she would understand the basic point
 of the invention.  If you could do that, there was a good chance that even
 a patent examiner could understamd it.


I have never seen a patent that was understandable - even (especially?)
those where I was a co-author!  Something about the legalize and claims and
...  Pretty soon I'm asleep and have to start all over again.  After enough
iterations it starts to make sense.



RE: filmscanners: Kodak Q60 Calibration

2001-04-12 Thread Shough, Dean


 | I won't disparage Timo's wwwsite either.  No doubt he's trying to be
 | helpful and there is good information there.  Although somewhat
 | off-topic, if you are at curious about the controversy regarding this
 | guy, there is a very interesting and informational debate going on
 | between Timo and Bruce Fraser at the Adobe "color managament" forum.
 | It will give you insight into Timo's character and argumentative
 | style, which is what most people have a problem with ... he is simply
 | argumentative.
 | Sorry I don't have a URL for the forum ... it seems to be broken this
 | morning ... go to the Adobe wwwsite = tech support = forums = color
 | management (you will have to register).  There are two subjects, and
 | you can spot them easy ... each have approximently 50 posts.


Try
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx.fcgi?[EMAIL PROTECTED]^0@14%40.eea5
b31 to get to all the color management posts.  Link vrrry slow.



RE: filmscanners: ColorCorrectionLink

2001-04-12 Thread Chuck Skinner



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard Starr
 Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 2:22 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: filmscanners: ColorCorrectionLink

snip

 Anyone who quotes Groucho can join my club any time.

"I wouldn't have anything to do with any organization that would have
someone like me as a member."

Chuck Skinner




Re: filmscanners: Minolta Elite, Nikon LS-40, Acer 2740S

2001-04-12 Thread Douglas Landrum


Egil wrote:

 Has anyone got any good advice on which one I should choose, Minolta
Elite,
 Nikon LS-40 (CoolScan IV) or Acer 2740S? I know of the differences "on
 paper", and I like the Acer for SCSI batch scanning of slides, the Minolta
 for SCSI and singlepass multiscanning, and the Nikon for the LED's and
 auto/manual focus.

 How do they compare on image quality (sharpness, color, noise...)?

 I will be scanning slides, mostly Kodachrome.


 Egil Rognvik


Faced with the same choice, I chose the Nikon.  My choice was based
primarily on the Nikon having greater dynamic range and my belief that it
would handle darker slides better.  To my delight, the Nikon seems to scan
color negatives very well.  Having no experience with the other scanners, I
can't comment.
I am pleased with the Nikon to date.  You can see some of my earliest
scans - I am a beginner at this - on this link:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=3861

The color photos are scans from the Coolscan IV.  The BW's are flatbed
scans of prints.
I like the Nikon Scan 3 software.  It works on my Win 98SE platform
perfectly as a TWAIN import to Photoshop 6.
I also like the USB interface.  I avoided the extra $150 to $200 for a good
SCSI card.  I have also used the Coolscan IV with Vuescan.  Vuescan works a
little better on some slides, but not as well as NS 3 on color negatives.
You may want to wait for the release of the new Canon that specs out at 4000
ppi.  I did know about the Canon until after I bought the Nikon.