[filmscanners] Re: dynamic range discussion

2002-09-03 Thread Julian Robinson

You are right it is not hard to delete or skip. I skip most messages on
lists, and only choose to read the ones with subjects that interest me.
There is very little overhead in doing this and I don't really understand
why people get so upset about it.  The funny thing is that the people who
do object seem to have read all the posts!  The other surprising thing is
that there is an enormous amount of back-channel chat going on about this
dynamic range issue, much of it by people who choose not to participate on
the list. It does seem that there is a level of interest which is not
reflected in the number of participants.

But I too am heartily sick of this particular discussion and it is obvious
that the protagonists are never going to get anywhere.  You'll be relieved
to hear that I'll be leaving the discussion soon anyway.  Not because I
don't still believe in the practical importance of the issue in scanners
(and more to the point  the practical importance of what I see as grossly
misleading information), but because I don't believe we will ever resolve
it given the personalities involved.  Also I don't think the growing amount
of personal abuse is good for the group or the participants

Julian

At 12:39 03/09/02, Paul wrote:
>I agree. This _is_ the place to discuss dynamic range with respect to film
>scanners. I don't think anyone can reasonably complain about it, as long as
>it's labeled as such in the subject line. It's no harder to hit Delete on
>something that says Dynamic Range in the subject than it is to hit Delete on
>something that says Get Your Viagra Now.
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[filmscanners] Re: Epson 2200 does it exist?

2002-09-03 Thread Stuart Bowling

Thanks to all who replied to my post about apparent current scarcity of the
Epson 2200 printer.

The scarcity seems to be real.

I have a 1270 which works well and will have to suffice until the drought
is over, I guess.

Thanks again to all.


Stuart



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[filmscanners] microtek customer service nightmare - UK

2002-09-03 Thread

Dear all

I have a microtek 4000t that I has a fault and I am trying to get it
exchanged. I have phoned them 8-10 times over the last few weeks. Every
time the say they will call be back but they never do. They have also
promised a next day exchange but it has not come yet even though they
specified a day. They have now resorted to asking me to email them but i
have never had a reply. I live in the UK and dial a London number. That
puts me through to their customer support in the Netherlands.

Has anyone got any ideas what I should do/had a similar experience? Have
Microtek got an international head office? (I could not find it on their
website)

Many thanks for any help

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[filmscanners] Re: Dynamic Range Applied

2002-09-03 Thread Julian Robinson

Warren,

Ironically I would not pay a lot of attention to dynamic range specs when
comparing between brands given the willingness of manufacturers to exploit
the confusion that exists in understanding and application of this term.

There are two things you can probably take away from the long winded
arguments that you saw on this list:

a) the topic is confusing to many people, and this allows manufacturers
some freedom to be loose in their use of this specification.  (Given the
tone of my participation in the 'interminable' argument, you can understand
that I don't know WHY it is so confusing, but obviously I am not good at
explaining what seems to me to be a simple enough business).

b) if and when ISO publish their standard, and if manufacturers then use
that standard, you should *then* be able to meaningfully compare between
brands.

I think the better way of judging performance at the moment is to go by
price, reviews, and general discussion on lists like this.  If you get the
chance,  try your own difficult slide on your short listed scanners.

You can learn a lot by searching list archives for the model of your choice.

As so often happens, what makes a good scanner is not necessarily what
appears on specs, and what is important to one person is not necessarily
important to you.  An example is the much discussed "problem" of low depth
of field of the Nikon scanner optics.  This issue does not appear in specs,
but for some of us is a real problem.  If your films have significant curl,
it can be difficult or impossible to get accurate focus across the whole
image.  For many people using particular film or slide mounts this is not a
problem, but for me and others it is a real pain in the butt at times.

Another non-specifiable issue which makes a significant difference to the
quality of your output and the time it takes to do a scan is the degree to
which it shows scratches and dust, and the degree to which is shows grain
on particular films.  All discussable points and worthy of your thought
before buying.

To emphasise the point about reliance on specs, my first film scanner was
an HP one.  I bought it on the basis of specs and value for money, because
I had no opportunity to compare or look at any others.  The end of a long
story was that I later got to use someone else's old Nikon (LS30) and was
amazed to find that the LS30scans were vastly superior to the HP scans,
even though there was nothing obvious in the specs to explain that
difference.  I returned the HP and bought a Nikon.  This was a hard one to
pick because the reviews that were around at the time for the HP were very
positive, and it was only later that people started to become more critical.

The only use I see for dynamic range and "Dmax" figures at the moment is to
compare between different models from the same manufacturer.  You could
presume they would be measured consistently, thus this would give you a
fair idea of the performance tradeoffs between say, two Nikon models.

Good luck in your choice,

Julian


At 05:04 04/09/02, you wrote:
>I've been following this discussion intermittently
>looking for some resolution but it seems that there is
>no end in sight. So, to be practical, what specs
>should I look for when shopping for a scanner, and,
>with the ambiguity in the use of terms such as
>"dynamic range" how do I shop and how does one
>manufacturer's use of the term differ from the other's
>use?
>
>Warren
>
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