filmscanners: FS2710: how to cope with new films + scanning noise/grain

[Salinger Igor]

Hi all,

Has anyone experienced problems using (relatively) new series of FUJI
Superia negatives incorporating 4th color layer - 100/200/400 ASA speed? I
had decent results using FS2710/Canoscan with older FUJI films, even with
some no-name local products, however, with new films results seem much more
inconsistent with regards of color accuracy. Also, has anyone noticed if new
emulsions have finer grain as advertised - unfortunately I can't notice any
improvement


On non-related issue, attached is simple test (17K - sorry!) I did on an
photo taken with Fuji Superia X-TRA 400. It's part of white aircraft against
odd-colored sky (was overcast). Question is about grain and noise,
especially on blue channel: is it too much of it or I'm just exaggerating or
no? NOTE: it has not been sharpened which seems to me almost necessary with
FS2710 scans

TIA,

Salinger Igor

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Re: filmscanners: CANON INTRODUCES CANOSCAN FS4000US

[Salinger Igor]

A question for you living 'out there': what does this mean? How much it
should be approx in stores when it arrives? Is there any "factor" to
calculate street price out of RRP/SRP or it just depends on product/company?
Thansk.

Igor.

P.S. An for how much LS-2000 can be had now when Nikons are arriving? Any
ideas?

..
> > CANON INTRODUCES THE CANOSCAN FS4000US HIGH-SPEED FILM SCANNER FOR 35MM
> > AND ADVANCED
> > PHOTO SYSTEM FILMS
>
> Oh golly gosh, it is getting interesting out there. I daresay Canon UK
will
> know about it by 2004... Well done that man for scooping everyone:)
>
> > $1,099.
> Yikes, they mean business. And IR...

Re: filmscanners: Canon FS2710 with APS

[Salinger Igor]

Hi Ed,

I have the scanner and the adapter, but I never used it as I had no need
Can do the test overnight, no problem (if it is OK without film) hope the
fact I have Vuescan trial version few months old would not make the
difference. Can I convert TIFF to JPEG for easier transfer?

Greetings from Yugoslavia,

Salinger Igor

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2001 6:19 PM
Subject: filmscanners: Canon FS2710 with APS


> Could someone with a Canon FS2710 and an APS
> adapter do a test for me?
>
> I'd like to add a mode to VueScan for scanning APS with
> this scanner, and to do this I need to get the positions of
> the APS window in the scanning window.
>
> A simple test that will do this is:
...

Re: filmscanners: FS2710 questions: speed/blue channelnoise/resolution/vuescan...

[Salinger Igor]

How you achieve this? In CanonScan dpi box you can't put anything more than
2999?

Sal

- Original Message -
From: Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: FS2710 questions: speed/blue
channelnoise/resolution/vuescan...
..
>
> The max scanning res of the FS2710 is 5440 interpolated. You may find
> Photoshop is a better tool for scaling an image as opposed to relying on
the
> Canoscan software.

filmscanners: FS2710 questions: speed/blue channel noise/resolution/vuescan....

[Salinger Igor]

Dear Tony, all other replying to my questions (it was a while ago, but
anyway...),

Yes, disk defrag did improve scanning speed but just a little. I got the
feeling that I should defrag disks (at least one
with swap) every few days ...

Anyway few more questions from relatively new FS2710 user:

- resolution: I understand that 2720dpi is max optical resolution, however,
I experimented by putting 2999 (max allowed dpi value) and can't notice
much, if any degradation of sharpness/detail caused by interpolation. Any
comments?

- blue channel noise: I noticed that noise @ blue channel is  extremely
high,
especially when scanning higher speed - thus grainier films. Is that normal?
(Don't say despeckle or little gaussian blur, I know that, I just want to
confirm if such occurrence is normal/usual or something is wrong with my
scanner. Also, how this will reflect when it comes to pre-press and
printing - not in jet, I aim more for offset etc.?).

- Vuescan: is it true (or marketing affects my mind!) that denser slides
(Velvia etc.) scan much better with Vuescan than Cannon's software? Ed?

Hope to hear from you soon and thanks in advance for any help.

Sal


P.S. Has anyone tried connecting FS2710 with pc via SCSI->USB or even
SCSI->LPT adapters? Does it work? What's transfer speed?





- Original Message -
From: Robert Logan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: FS2710 questions


..
> Yup - have suffered the same problem with my FS2710 which I realised was
> due to my hard disks being extremely badly fragmented with all the scan,
> edit, resize, reedit, copy, ... processes. This at the same time as my
> other applications were using the disk etc.
>
> On a slow machine, with limited memory, the disks also get used to create
> 'virtual memory' which means more fragmentation and slowdowns. Et voila,
> my disks go from one long spaghetti strand, to a chewed up mulch of
chunks!
> (feeling hungry ..)
>
..

Re: filmscanners: Scanner <-> notebook

[Salinger Igor]

Thanks, will check it out 

Salinger

- Original Message - 
From: Teresa Lunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: filmscanners: Scanner <-> notebook


> You can get a SCSI PCMCIA adapter from Adaptec. THey have an online store
> 
> Teresa
> 
> 

filmscanners: Scanner <-> notebook

[Salinger Igor]

Hi again all,

May sound dumb question, but I'm not too familiar with notebooks/laptops:
what is most (cost-)effective way to attach SCSI scanner (have Canon FS2710)
to notebook? I have been offered an IBM ThinkPad series machine and I wonder
how to attach scanner to it. Has USB, but as I recall FS2710 is SCSI-only.
Any ideas or http links welcome.

Best,

Sal...

filmscanners: FS2710 questions

[Salinger Igor]

Dear List,

I noticed big decline is speed of scanning since I purchased Canon FS2710
some two weeks ago, especialy notable in high-res scans. When I got the
scanner it was fairly fast, however, it now takes some time to scan full
frame @ 2720 dpi. I know my system is rather slow and misses an big upgrade
(K6/166MHz/64MB/2.0+3.2GB UDMA33 HDD) however what bothers me is that
despite more or less same amount of free space on HDD for Win or PS swap
scaning goes slower and slower. And I'm talking of just scanning, not time
it takes to import into PS (that takes even longer but I suppose it does not
have to do with FS2710)

Also, re same scanner: while I'm quite pleased with the resulst I get from
various quality negatives, slides I scan look bit unsharp - or rather less
sharp than when vieved trough loupe; especialy ones that I scan in (glasless
of course) mounts. I'll try when I get time to scan same slide mounted and
unmounted, however, any comments wellcome. Some denser slides appear when
scanned bit dull, lowered contrats. I allways thought that way to boos slide
contrast is either E6 push or small underexposure, and it worked fine with
drumms and LS-2000 that I unfortunately do not own :-)

Any comments/suggestions re above mostly wellcome,

Greetings from Balkans,

Igor Salinger

Re: Vuescan and color theory

[Salinger Igor]

thanks for note(s)

.
> set of very basic settings ... afterall, he cannot offer better tools
> before the scan, and in fact, he creates a "raw" scan first and
> applies software "cropping" tools to the "raw" scan.  Ed would tell

So whatever you put as 'cropping values' ie brightness/contrast, black
points raw scan is the raw scan? I allways assumed that it's best to do
most adjustments before Pohotoshop work as less data is lost at scanning
stage... no?


> you, if you're more familiar and comfortable with the PS toools, then
> use them instaed of his cropping tools ... "highbit software tools"
> are "highbit software tools" ... they differ only in their ease of
> use.

Exactly, I know where to pick whitepoint with eydropper in PS (looking in
RGB values of course) and even in Canon Craft but how there inerpret
alphanumerical? That was my main question.

>
> > Can anyone point out good resource (preferably on the net) on colour
> > mambo-jambo i.e.. black/white points and all other values one inputs
> in
> > VueScan.
>
> I don't believe these properties for an image are defined any
> differently for Vuescan than they are in Photoshop's help files ...
> 'cept Ed's setting for whitepoint and blackpoint might be percent,
> while a similar PS tool would show you the histogram and allow you to
> choose some setting a bit more intuitively.

Exactly. See above.

> I would simply play with
> the VS settings to get a feel for what is happening.

Mee to but I do not want to play in dark ;->



> First, have Vuescan create an accurate "raw" scan (use VS defaults
> and your best example of exposure and subject, it should include true
...


Thanks for this, I'll give it a try. Only some lines appear over the image
so I cannot sent it for publication  0-;))


Greetings from Belgrade (yes, THE place where people put city on fire when
angry with president),

Sal.





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Vuescan and color theory (hello again!)

[Salinger Igor]

Hello list,

Greetings again. After absence from March I decided to re-join and I'm happy
to let you know that reason for that is an FS2710 I recently acquired . I
downloaded latest Vuescan and have immediately put it to my common test:
it's an underexposed (-1EV, someone forgot to push the roll) slide of high
contrast scene (white aircraft front-lit against dark sky and dark green
mountains) to see how FS2710 & Vuescan will cope with it as CanoCraft
failed this test - have to admit that it works fine with good originals,
both negs and slides. I was amazed with the improvement over Canon original
software, and I set the go to match scan of same slide done on LS-2000 some
time ago that eventually finished on the cover of colour magazine. OK, did
not do it, but came quite near, far nearer than with CanoCraft. However, I
have to admit that I got used to levels sliders and histograms in PShop and
I really miss such both in VueScan and Canon software. So my basic questions
are (Ed, anyone else?): any chance that such things will be available at
future VueScans and other is until then,

Can anyone point out good resource (preferably on the net) on colour
mambo-jambo i.e.. black/white points and all other values one inputs in
VueScan.

OK, all for now,

Hope to hear from you,

Best regards,

Igor Salinger




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