[filmscanners] Re: Monitor Calibration
<< I use Win2k, but PhotoCal does put "photocal startup" in the startup folder ... I suspect the same should be true for Win/ME. Is there any chance there is more than a single startup folder for WinME? Possibly there is a startup folder for "default user" rather than the login you typically use(?) Have you contacted Colorvision support. They do respond, but it may take a few days.>> Thanks for the tip about there possibly being more than one StartUp folder. Before I had written I used the Windows Search utility to look for the StartUp folder and found one that had absolutely nothing in it. After reading your response, I found that when I went to the Programs menu there was a folder called StartUp and it has stuff in it, including the PhotoCal Startup. There are several other things in it as well, but none that looks as if it would effect monitor calibration or adjustment. > Also, when you adjust the black luminescense with PhotoCal, the > contrast is put up to 100% before the brightness is adjusted to > allow the 4 dark boxes to be just separable from each other. But > then when I adjust the white luminescence to the appropriate > value I need to turn the contrast down to about 79. Is it > correct that you do not readjust the black luminescence with the > brightness control once the contrast has been adjusted downwards? I also used the "contrast" for adjusting the monitor max downwards (... much simpler than adjusting gun gain ...) but, you probably should also back-up for making sure your "blackpoint" is still as you visually adjusted previously (... or run Photocal a 2nd time ...) cheerios ... shAf :o) Avalon Peninsula, Newfoundland >> This is something that I have found confusing, as I have heard several different opinions, though most seem to think that you should not go back and readjust. I have found that the Color Vision folks have not always answered my e mail (not that I have sent very many, but it sometimes seems hit or miss in terms of getting a response). I just e mailed them with this question. When I get a response I will gladly post what they say. Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: Monitor Calibration
> Also, when you adjust the black luminescense with PhotoCal, the > contrast is put up to 100% before the brightness is adjusted to > allow the 4 dark boxes to be just separable from each other. But > then when I adjust the white luminescence to the appropriate > value I need to turn the contrast down to about 79. Is it > correct that you do not readjust the black luminescence with the > brightness control once the contrast has been adjusted downwards? Avalon Peninsula, Newfoundland >>
filmscanners: Re: Monitor calibration
A comment was made: >How do you know they are dark? Have you calibrated your monitor!? Not having a room with constant lighting for my image editing work, I think it is essential to check the monitor settings, particularly brightness, before starting. Some sort of greyscale occupying the full range of black to white, preferably in fine steps, is best. I use an old utility, CRT Align, for the job, or a similar suitable greyscale file within the editing program. Turn up the brightness from a too dark setting until the first step above black is just separated from true black. At the same time, using the same greyscale, you can see if the monitor has developed any unexpected colour cast. Colin Maddock
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> I use an old utility, CRT Align, for the job >Any idea where (or even if) this is available? Al, this came off the W95 Secrets 4th Ed. CD. I can easily send you a zipped file of it if you like. It's only about 300kB. Colin Maddock
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Hello, My experience with the ColorVision is that the software (and puck/spyder) work as advertised. I have the OptiCal package. I am not affiliated with the company in any way. Rather, I am a Biologist/Ecologist by trade and have been involved in photography in one way or another for approximately 23 years. I have been studying birds for longer. I study the the migration of raptors in New York City and throughout the world (Nepal, Malaysia, Turkey, eg) and have been writing scientific papers for the last 15 years on this topic. The ColorVision tech support people are available and helpful (at an 800 number if you look carefully through their manual). As an aside, tech support called me at 5:30pm last night (Friday) to answer a question I had sent to them via email. The sales rep, Henry Lassiter, has responded to a couple questions I have had regarding upgrading. Finally, in NYC at the recent photo show, the President of the company was running around getting info for people and answering questions. I was impressed with the company because it seems like they take the time to be helpful, as well as sell a product at a reasonable price. I have not read such comments about other companies that market similar products. I would suggest going to the archives of this list and reading the comments by C.D. Tobie regarding the product. He seems to have the best technical handle on ColorVision's products. I can only heartily convey my support for how well their product has worked for me. Robert DeCandido, PhD
[filmscanners] Re: Monitor calibration
> A few days ago I changed my display purchasing new Iiyama VisionMaster > 454. > It comes with his own setup software (INF file and ICC profile) which I > downloaded from their site and installed. into my system (Win98SE). > Besides > of that, I tweaked the monitor's profile using Adobe Gamma utility > and installed it as working monitor's profile. I also have an Iiyama Vision Master Pro. Plus I use a Matrox card. I dimly remember that there were some problems when I used one of the canned monitor profiles. One of the internet sites had a big no-no for using any of the profiles that came with either the grafics card or the monitor if you intent to use Adobe Gamma. So I started out with a generic NT profile (or none at all, for all I know), and then 'calibrated' by using Adobe Gamma. That profile is used as my monitor profile, and I have had no trouble since. Best regards, Barbara Nitz -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: Monitor calibration
Why not just use the profile provided with the monitor? Presumably it already corresponds to the display characteristics. Is the VisionMaster a CRT or flat panel? - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 07:30 Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Monitor calibration > A few days ago I changed my display purchasing new Iiyama VisionMaster > 454. > It comes with his own setup software (INF file and ICC profile) which I > downloaded from their site and installed. into my system (Win98SE). > Besides > of that, I tweaked the monitor's profile using Adobe Gamma utility > and installed it as working monitor's profile. I also have an Iiyama Vision Master Pro. Plus I use a Matrox card. I dimly remember that there were some problems when I used one of the canned monitor profiles. One of the internet sites had a big no-no for using any of the profiles that came with either the grafics card or the monitor if you intent to use Adobe Gamma. So I started out with a generic NT profile (or none at all, for all I know), and then 'calibrated' by using Adobe Gamma. That profile is used as my monitor profile, and I have had no trouble since. Best regards, Barbara Nitz -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration
This is CRT monitor, but I have no idea how they created the profile. For example, the usual color temperature used in PC monitors is 9300K while I certainly prefer 6500K which is much more appropriate for image editing. Bearing that in mind, I have no idea what color temperature they calibrated for. Just an example. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Anthony Atkielski Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 10:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Monitor calibration Why not just use the profile provided with the monitor? Presumably it already corresponds to the display characteristics. Is the VisionMaster a CRT or flat panel? - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 07:30 Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Monitor calibration > A few days ago I changed my display purchasing new Iiyama VisionMaster > 454. > It comes with his own setup software (INF file and ICC profile) which I > downloaded from their site and installed. into my system (Win98SE). > Besides > of that, I tweaked the monitor's profile using Adobe Gamma utility > and installed it as working monitor's profile. I also have an Iiyama Vision Master Pro. Plus I use a Matrox card. I dimly remember that there were some problems when I used one of the canned monitor profiles. One of the internet sites had a big no-no for using any of the profiles that came with either the grafics card or the monitor if you intent to use Adobe Gamma. So I started out with a generic NT profile (or none at all, for all I know), and then 'calibrated' by using Adobe Gamma. That profile is used as my monitor profile, and I have had no trouble since. Best regards, Barbara Nitz -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration
Thanks Barbara. Well, I cannot boast by the decent video card, since my only system so far is quite old Compaq laptop powered by antique Celeron 330MHz with 192 MB RAM and as you already realized the built-in video card is really weak. To make the display stable I can barely run it at 800x600 @ 75 Hz vertical refresh or sometimes even go down to 60 Hz. Of course, I'm planning in near future to upgrade to decent desktop, but anyway, I don't think the current system configuration might impact the image quality in such way. As about calibration, yesterday I tried different approach from one I followed previously, but which closely resembles to yours: I took generic sRGB Windows profile and calibrated the IIyama with Adobe Gamma utility setting it to 6500K and tweaking colors and Gamma as needed. Overall, the display solely appearance looking good, but this surely doesn't resolve the casting problem which seems to be related to Nikon Color management in NikonScan as I described in my reply to Laurie. Still cannot figure out what went wrong. Not a while ago everything worked fine, NikonScan delivered more or less true, satisfactory colors using it at default color management settings. The only thing was altered is new display, but then it is also seems to be easily calibrated visually... BTW, do you remember what kind of phosphor dots have you chosen during your Adobe Gamma calibration for your Iiyama ? Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Monitor calibration > A few days ago I changed my display purchasing new Iiyama VisionMaster > 454. > It comes with his own setup software (INF file and ICC profile) which I > downloaded from their site and installed. into my system (Win98SE). > Besides > of that, I tweaked the monitor's profile using Adobe Gamma utility > and installed it as working monitor's profile. I also have an Iiyama Vision Master Pro. Plus I use a Matrox card. I dimly remember that there were some problems when I used one of the canned monitor profiles. One of the internet sites had a big no-no for using any of the profiles that came with either the grafics card or the monitor if you intent to use Adobe Gamma. So I started out with a generic NT profile (or none at all, for all I know), and then 'calibrated' by using Adobe Gamma. That profile is used as my monitor profile, and I have had no trouble since. Best regards, Barbara Nitz -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
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Colin wrote: > I use an old utility, CRT Align, for the job Any idea where (or even if) this is available? Al Bond
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on 11/18/00 12:35 PM, Robert DeCandido at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Finally, in NYC at the recent photo show, the > President of the company was running around getting info for people and > answering questions. I was impressed with the company because it seems like > they take the time to be helpful, as well as sell a product at a reasonable > price. I have not read such comments about other companies that market > similar products. I agree with that perception. The company was recently acquired but a much larger company (Data Color) and the level of support and the quality of the new products (the Spyder as well as the acquisition of the Matchlock profiling suite) is really top notch. These guys are on to something! Andrew Rodney
[filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT
Oh yeah,I just run through it. :-) Recently I purchased Monaco device with the EZMonacoColor calibration software (ver. 2.0) Just prior to establishing my permanent image processing machine I used my work's antique laptop (Celeron 333, 192 MB memory - very slow performance) hooked to my LS 40 and running NikonScan 3.1.2 through TWAIN from PS6. After acquiring new monitor (Iiyama VM Pro 454) I started to get kind of magenta casting over all the scans which was not easy to get rid of in PS. Sometimes the colors seemed to be off as well. I struggled a lot with Nikon's CMS blaming their software, until realized that perhaps I should look in other directions instead. Listening to advises of some of my friends who are more experienced image editors then me, I decided to try out to calibrate my monitor first and won the device on the Ebay. Meanwhile I managed to build my dream PC to serve as main image processing station choosing the graphics card which would be the best price/performance compromise for me which turned to be Matrox G550 DH. This one is reported to deliver the best 2D performance from all others available, however lugs behind GF4 in 3D which I don't care about (I'm not a gamer). After Matrox drivers installation I immediately noticed huge improvement in color reproduction straight from the plain scan with Nikon's CMS on. (Matrox offered numerous monitor profiles for various monitors including the Iiyama which was he closest match to my model. Perhaps this allowed the true color reproduction). In fact I felt I would be fine even without monitor calibration now, but since owing the device already I did it. Well, it took a mere 10 minutes for everything to be done including automatic installation of the new profile into the system. The colors remained as it was before which means the Matrox offered profile did already the job. However, the friend of mine who is user of Monaco device as well, noticed immediate benefit of his monitor calibration - the profile allowed to achieve much better and true colors and even was able to match printing. So the bottom line, I would recommend this thing. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of bob geoghegan Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 7:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT http://www.dpreview.com/news/0207/02071101dpreviewcolorvisionpromo.asp Just FYI. I have no ties to DPreview or Colorvision. Reviews are generally quite good for the Spyder device and PhotoCAL & OptiCAL software. Any thoughts or experiences from the list? Bob G Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT
Alex, How do you like your Iiyama? I'm looking for a 19" and have narrowed down to either the 454 or the Viewsonic P95F+. Lloyd Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT
Well, I indeed wasn't prepared to shell out 800-1000 US$ for high-end calibrator like one offered me (of Gretag) opting for 300-400 US$ Monaco tool. Of course, I could expect the best results form Gretag (what you pay is what you get), but the profile delivered by Monaco was really goof enough for my point of view considering no real professional goals I'm after. Frankly, I see my scans benefit from clear and true color reproduction without any casts and whatsoever, and this is what I was after. All the rest might be subject for academic discussions. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul D. DeRocco Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT The profiles that come with monitors are only good for one thing: they have the correct primary colors in them. Other than that, they're useless, because they have no way of knowing how you've set the brightness, contrast or color temperature. At the very least, you should use Adobe Gamma or Colorific, using the monitor profile as a starting point. They help you adjust the black level, set the white point, and measure the gamma, which when combined with the primary colors from the original profile produce an okay final profile. In my view, the weakest aspect of these poor-man's calibration tools is that they don't set the black level very accurately. Having a real colorimeter gets the low end of the scale much more accurate. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Alex Zabrovsky > > After Matrox drivers installation I immediately noticed huge > improvement in > color reproduction straight from the plain scan with Nikon's CMS > on. (Matrox > offered numerous monitor profiles for various monitors including > the Iiyama > which was he closest match to my model. Perhaps this allowed the > true color > reproduction). > In fact I felt I would be fine even without monitor calibration now, but > since owing the device already I did it. > Well, it took a mere 10 minutes for everything to be done including > automatic installation of the new profile into the system. > The colors remained as it was before which means the Matrox > offered profile > did already the job. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT
I'm sure that the Monaco package is fine, and I know from experience that the Pantone Colorvision package is a good one. By "poor-man's calibration," I meant those packages that don't include a colorimeter. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Alex Zabrovsky > > Well, I indeed wasn't prepared to shell out 800-1000 US$ for high-end > calibrator like one offered me (of Gretag) opting for 300-400 US$ Monaco > tool. > Of course, I could expect the best results form Gretag (what you > pay is what > you get), but the profile delivered by Monaco was really goof > enough for my > point of view considering no real professional goals I'm after. > Frankly, I see my scans benefit from clear and true color reproduction > without any casts and whatsoever, and this is what I was after. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT
Oh well, I understood. I tried this option as well prior to acquiring the Monaco. I used Adobe's Gamma and various freeshare software tools - some of then did provided barely better results, but still way off the optimum. For precise calibration hardware is paramount indeed. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul D. DeRocco Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 5:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT I'm sure that the Monaco package is fine, and I know from experience that the Pantone Colorvision package is a good one. By "poor-man's calibration," I meant those packages that don't include a colorimeter. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Alex Zabrovsky > > Well, I indeed wasn't prepared to shell out 800-1000 US$ for high-end > calibrator like one offered me (of Gretag) opting for 300-400 US$ Monaco > tool. > Of course, I could expect the best results form Gretag (what you > pay is what > you get), but the profile delivered by Monaco was really goof > enough for my > point of view considering no real professional goals I'm after. > Frankly, I see my scans benefit from clear and true color reproduction > without any casts and whatsoever, and this is what I was after. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT
Alex, Where did you get the Monaco tool? Locally or online? KM Ho - Original Message - From: "Alex Zabrovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 6:34 AM Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT Well, I indeed wasn't prepared to shell out 800-1000 US$ for high-end calibrator like one offered me (of Gretag) opting for 300-400 US$ Monaco tool. Of course, I could expect the best results form Gretag (what you pay is what you get), but the profile delivered by Monaco was really goof enough for my point of view considering no real professional goals I'm after. Frankly, I see my scans benefit from clear and true color reproduction without any casts and whatsoever, and this is what I was after. All the rest might be subject for academic discussions. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul D. DeRocco Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT The profiles that come with monitors are only good for one thing: they have the correct primary colors in them. Other than that, they're useless, because they have no way of knowing how you've set the brightness, contrast or color temperature. At the very least, you should use Adobe Gamma or Colorific, using the monitor profile as a starting point. They help you adjust the black level, set the white point, and measure the gamma, which when combined with the primary colors from the original profile produce an okay final profile. In my view, the weakest aspect of these poor-man's calibration tools is that they don't set the black level very accurately. Having a real colorimeter gets the low end of the scale much more accurate. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Alex Zabrovsky > > After Matrox drivers installation I immediately noticed huge > improvement in > color reproduction straight from the plain scan with Nikon's CMS > on. (Matrox > offered numerous monitor profiles for various monitors including > the Iiyama > which was he closest match to my model. Perhaps this allowed the > true color > reproduction). > In fact I felt I would be fine even without monitor calibration now, but > since owing the device already I did it. > Well, it took a mere 10 minutes for everything to be done including > automatic installation of the new profile into the system. > The colors remained as it was before which means the Matrox > offered profile > did already the job. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
