[filmscanners] Re: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT
Alex, Where did you get the Monaco tool? Locally or online? KM Ho - Original Message - From: "Alex Zabrovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 6:34 AM Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT Well, I indeed wasn't prepared to shell out 800-1000 US$ for high-end calibrator like one offered me (of Gretag) opting for 300-400 US$ Monaco tool. Of course, I could expect the best results form Gretag (what you pay is what you get), but the profile delivered by Monaco was really goof enough for my point of view considering no real professional goals I'm after. Frankly, I see my scans benefit from clear and true color reproduction without any casts and whatsoever, and this is what I was after. All the rest might be subject for academic discussions. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul D. DeRocco Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT The profiles that come with monitors are only good for one thing: they have the correct primary colors in them. Other than that, they're useless, because they have no way of knowing how you've set the brightness, contrast or color temperature. At the very least, you should use Adobe Gamma or Colorific, using the monitor profile as a starting point. They help you adjust the black level, set the white point, and measure the gamma, which when combined with the primary colors from the original profile produce an okay final profile. In my view, the weakest aspect of these poor-man's calibration tools is that they don't set the black level very accurately. Having a real colorimeter gets the low end of the scale much more accurate. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Alex Zabrovsky > > After Matrox drivers installation I immediately noticed huge > improvement in > color reproduction straight from the plain scan with Nikon's CMS > on. (Matrox > offered numerous monitor profiles for various monitors including > the Iiyama > which was he closest match to my model. Perhaps this allowed the > true color > reproduction). > In fact I felt I would be fine even without monitor calibration now, but > since owing the device already I did it. > Well, it took a mere 10 minutes for everything to be done including > automatic installation of the new profile into the system. > The colors remained as it was before which means the Matrox > offered profile > did already the job. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT
Oh well, I understood. I tried this option as well prior to acquiring the Monaco. I used Adobe's Gamma and various freeshare software tools - some of then did provided barely better results, but still way off the optimum. For precise calibration hardware is paramount indeed. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul D. DeRocco Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 5:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT I'm sure that the Monaco package is fine, and I know from experience that the Pantone Colorvision package is a good one. By "poor-man's calibration," I meant those packages that don't include a colorimeter. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Alex Zabrovsky > > Well, I indeed wasn't prepared to shell out 800-1000 US$ for high-end > calibrator like one offered me (of Gretag) opting for 300-400 US$ Monaco > tool. > Of course, I could expect the best results form Gretag (what you > pay is what > you get), but the profile delivered by Monaco was really goof > enough for my > point of view considering no real professional goals I'm after. > Frankly, I see my scans benefit from clear and true color reproduction > without any casts and whatsoever, and this is what I was after. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT
I'm sure that the Monaco package is fine, and I know from experience that the Pantone Colorvision package is a good one. By "poor-man's calibration," I meant those packages that don't include a colorimeter. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Alex Zabrovsky > > Well, I indeed wasn't prepared to shell out 800-1000 US$ for high-end > calibrator like one offered me (of Gretag) opting for 300-400 US$ Monaco > tool. > Of course, I could expect the best results form Gretag (what you > pay is what > you get), but the profile delivered by Monaco was really goof > enough for my > point of view considering no real professional goals I'm after. > Frankly, I see my scans benefit from clear and true color reproduction > without any casts and whatsoever, and this is what I was after. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT
Well, I indeed wasn't prepared to shell out 800-1000 US$ for high-end calibrator like one offered me (of Gretag) opting for 300-400 US$ Monaco tool. Of course, I could expect the best results form Gretag (what you pay is what you get), but the profile delivered by Monaco was really goof enough for my point of view considering no real professional goals I'm after. Frankly, I see my scans benefit from clear and true color reproduction without any casts and whatsoever, and this is what I was after. All the rest might be subject for academic discussions. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Paul D. DeRocco Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT The profiles that come with monitors are only good for one thing: they have the correct primary colors in them. Other than that, they're useless, because they have no way of knowing how you've set the brightness, contrast or color temperature. At the very least, you should use Adobe Gamma or Colorific, using the monitor profile as a starting point. They help you adjust the black level, set the white point, and measure the gamma, which when combined with the primary colors from the original profile produce an okay final profile. In my view, the weakest aspect of these poor-man's calibration tools is that they don't set the black level very accurately. Having a real colorimeter gets the low end of the scale much more accurate. -- Ciao, Paul D. DeRocco Paulmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Alex Zabrovsky > > After Matrox drivers installation I immediately noticed huge > improvement in > color reproduction straight from the plain scan with Nikon's CMS > on. (Matrox > offered numerous monitor profiles for various monitors including > the Iiyama > which was he closest match to my model. Perhaps this allowed the > true color > reproduction). > In fact I felt I would be fine even without monitor calibration now, but > since owing the device already I did it. > Well, it took a mere 10 minutes for everything to be done including > automatic installation of the new profile into the system. > The colors remained as it was before which means the Matrox > offered profile > did already the job. Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT
Alex, How do you like your Iiyama? I'm looking for a 19" and have narrowed down to either the 454 or the Viewsonic P95F+. Lloyd Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] RE: Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT
Oh yeah,I just run through it. :-) Recently I purchased Monaco device with the EZMonacoColor calibration software (ver. 2.0) Just prior to establishing my permanent image processing machine I used my work's antique laptop (Celeron 333, 192 MB memory - very slow performance) hooked to my LS 40 and running NikonScan 3.1.2 through TWAIN from PS6. After acquiring new monitor (Iiyama VM Pro 454) I started to get kind of magenta casting over all the scans which was not easy to get rid of in PS. Sometimes the colors seemed to be off as well. I struggled a lot with Nikon's CMS blaming their software, until realized that perhaps I should look in other directions instead. Listening to advises of some of my friends who are more experienced image editors then me, I decided to try out to calibrate my monitor first and won the device on the Ebay. Meanwhile I managed to build my dream PC to serve as main image processing station choosing the graphics card which would be the best price/performance compromise for me which turned to be Matrox G550 DH. This one is reported to deliver the best 2D performance from all others available, however lugs behind GF4 in 3D which I don't care about (I'm not a gamer). After Matrox drivers installation I immediately noticed huge improvement in color reproduction straight from the plain scan with Nikon's CMS on. (Matrox offered numerous monitor profiles for various monitors including the Iiyama which was he closest match to my model. Perhaps this allowed the true color reproduction). In fact I felt I would be fine even without monitor calibration now, but since owing the device already I did it. Well, it took a mere 10 minutes for everything to be done including automatic installation of the new profile into the system. The colors remained as it was before which means the Matrox offered profile did already the job. However, the friend of mine who is user of Monaco device as well, noticed immediate benefit of his monitor calibration - the profile allowed to achieve much better and true colors and even was able to match printing. So the bottom line, I would recommend this thing. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of bob geoghegan Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 7:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Monitor calibration offer, kind of OT http://www.dpreview.com/news/0207/02071101dpreviewcolorvisionpromo.asp Just FYI. I have no ties to DPreview or Colorvision. Reviews are generally quite good for the Spyder device and PhotoCAL & OptiCAL software. Any thoughts or experiences from the list? Bob G Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
