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On Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:15:26 +1100 Des Paroz wrote: Consider Photoshop Elements. PSEL is targeted to photographers, and has most of the features we would use regularly, at a fraction of the cost of Photoshop Pro (PSP). PSP is really targeted to the high end - graphic artists, art directors, etc. PSP is the common name for Paint Shop Pro, not Photoshop, a competitor. It confuses the issue to call Photoshop by Paint Shop Pro's name. I use PSP 7, have found it to be just right for me, and it is a fraction of the cost of Photoshop. PSP's publisher, JASC software, sells it for $99 online at http://www.jasc.com, although I see it in the retail stores frequently with a $30 or so rebate from that price. I would say it is targeted more at photographers than Photoshop, although it approaches the capabilities of Photoshop, and has lots of graphics tools. However, the learning curve isn't as steep as Photoshop's. Someone also said Paint Shop Pro doesn't support color management, which is dead wrong. PSP has full support for color management. In addition to being able to install color management for any defined monitor, one can make the image on the monitor appear to emulate the printer in use, or both the monitor and printer emulate the color output of any third device. This is all done with standard Windows ICM files. I haven't used Photoshop Elements, but I have used all the other mini Photoshops and have them to be quite crippled, compared to PSP 7, and certainly compared to their parent, the full version of Photoshop. - Rick Housh - I agree completely. I've tried everything I could get my hands on and PSP v7.04 is what I finally settled into. I won't try to compare it directly to all the other brands and I won't force it down anyone's throat, but I will say it cost (after my $30 rebate g) about 1/10 what Photoshop goes for retail (or about 1/5 of the special student pricing). On top of that it's faster to use all around--seems to use memory more efficiently, too, though I haven't done any stringent testing on that, it's just a feeling I have from working with these various products. Whatever one thinks about all that, PSP amounts to vast overkill for all but a scant few of the scanned images I manipulate. That being the case, why pay many times more for a more one will likely never use? By the way, PSP also takes nearly all of the Photoshop filters. Tris Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe filmscanners' or 'unsubscribe filmscanners_digest' (as appropriate) in the message title or body
[filmscanners] Re: Editing application
Hi Alex, Do you have any darkroom experience? The reason I ask is that Photoshop is designed around photo-darkroom jargon, with masks and filters and the like, and it might therefore be more comfortable for that reason. Since I don't use the other packages I can't comment how they are designed in those terms. However, many have downloadable demo versions which will give you some sense of the ease of use. If you are just beginning, you might even consider something like Photosuite by MGI, the Platinum edition has some neat extra features, but even the normal version will allow for basic editing. This program is often offered with a very high or even full rebate, making it quite inexpensive to own. Photoshop Elements (about $100 list US) has the advantage of being very similar to Photoshop, meaning the learning curve, should you eventually outgrown it, and wish to upgrade to Photoshop is easier, but truthfully, there are many less expensive programs than Photoshop on the market which provide quite a lot of options, not only for the beginner, but for the quite advanced amateur. Corel's photo software is another option. Some people prefer it to Photoshop, in fact. Art Alex Zabrovsky wrote: Thanks. Why it might be better then Paint Shop Pro ? I'm quite new to image processing so any opinion/thoughts are highly appreciated. Regards, Alex Z Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body
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I would take a look at the new Photoshop Elements. steve. Steve Traudt Synergistic Visions Photography P.O. Box 2585 Grand Junction, CO 81502 Web Site: www.synvis.com *** Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look at the stars. -Henry van Dyke - Original Message - From: Alex Zabrovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: [filmscanners] Editing application What would you recommend as the most comprehensive image editing application (software) considering resource/performance ? I'm trying to evaluate what image evaluation/editing software would provide me with best, yet simple managing taking the least amount of system resources possible. Photoshop is probably the most famous, however I suspect it is quite heavy in use (considering my beginning level) and might be quite resource-hungry by itself (memory). What about Paint Shop Pro ? I was advised to try it out instead of Photoshop... Regards, Alex Z Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body
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Thanks. Why it might be better then Paint Shop Pro ? I'm quite new to image processing so any opinion/thoughts are highly appreciated. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Traudt Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Editing application I would take a look at the new Photoshop Elements. steve. Steve Traudt Synergistic Visions Photography P.O. Box 2585 Grand Junction, CO 81502 Web Site: www.synvis.com *** Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look at the stars. -Henry van Dyke - Original Message - From: Alex Zabrovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: [filmscanners] Editing application What would you recommend as the most comprehensive image editing application (software) considering resource/performance ? I'm trying to evaluate what image evaluation/editing software would provide me with best, yet simple managing taking the least amount of system resources possible. Photoshop is probably the most famous, however I suspect it is quite heavy in use (considering my beginning level) and might be quite resource-hungry by itself (memory). What about Paint Shop Pro ? I was advised to try it out instead of Photoshop... Regards, Alex Z Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body
[filmscanners] Re: Editing application
Photoshop is the penultimate software of choice for editing images. That said, you can start off with Photoshop Elements and as you graduate in skill and proficiency, you will be able to easily upgrade to the full version of Photoshop at a later date--both in terms of learning curves (you will have already learned much) and economics (Adobe provides an upgrade path for users of Elements). Paintshop Pro, which started out as low-budget shareware, does quite a lot, but in the end, I strongly suspect you will want to migrate to Photoshop, which does more better. You will have less trouble doing so starting out with Elements that with Painshop Pro. Rgds, Dawn Thanks. Why it might be better then Paint Shop Pro ? I'm quite new to image processing so any opinion/thoughts are highly appreciated. Regards, Alex Z Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body
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Consider Corel PhotoPaint also - it will do much more than Photoshop Elements and you can get the CorelDRAW 9 suite for under $50. AFAIK PSP will do more than Photoshop Elements as well, but Elements will have an easy learning curve. You can download Elements to try it out. I believe you can download PSP and CorelDRAW 10 (expensive) for trial as well. Maris - Original Message - From: Alex Zabrovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:25 AM Subject: [filmscanners] RE: Editing application Thanks. Why it might be better then Paint Shop Pro ? I'm quite new to image processing so any opinion/thoughts are highly appreciated. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Steve Traudt Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 7:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [filmscanners] Re: Editing application I would take a look at the new Photoshop Elements. steve. Steve Traudt Synergistic Visions Photography P.O. Box 2585 Grand Junction, CO 81502 Web Site: www.synvis.com *** Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look at the stars. -Henry van Dyke - Original Message - From: Alex Zabrovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: [filmscanners] Editing application What would you recommend as the most comprehensive image editing application (software) considering resource/performance ? I'm trying to evaluate what image evaluation/editing software would provide me with best, yet simple managing taking the least amount of system resources possible. Photoshop is probably the most famous, however I suspect it is quite heavy in use (considering my beginning level) and might be quite resource-hungry by itself (memory). What about Paint Shop Pro ? I was advised to try it out instead of Photoshop... Regards, Alex Z Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body
[filmscanners] Re: Editing application
Another candidate that I'd consider is Picture Window from Digital Light and Color You can learn all about it at: http://www.dl-c.com/ -JimD At 10:17 AM 12/30/01 -0700, you wrote: I would take a look at the new Photoshop Elements. steve. Steve Traudt Synergistic Visions Photography P.O. Box 2585 Grand Junction, CO 81502 Web Site: www.synvis.com *** Be glad of life because it gives you the chance to love and to work and to play and to look at the stars. -Henry van Dyke - Original Message - From: Alex Zabrovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 9:42 AM Subject: [filmscanners] Editing application What would you recommend as the most comprehensive image editing application (software) considering resource/performance ? I'm trying to evaluate what image evaluation/editing software would provide me with best, yet simple managing taking the least amount of system resources possible. Photoshop is probably the most famous, however I suspect it is quite heavy in use (considering my beginning level) and might be quite resource-hungry by itself (memory). What about Paint Shop Pro ? I was advised to try it out instead of Photoshop... Regards, Alex Z Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body
[filmscanners] Re: Editing application
Dawn, What do you consider to be the ultimate? Peter, Nr Clonakilty, Co Cork, Ireland (Photoshop user) Original Message Photoshop is the penultimate software of choice for editing images. snip Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body
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In my opinion, having left out the 'curves' tool, Adobe has crippled Photoshop Elements to the point that I would not recommend it to any photographer. Of course, most of the other lower cost programs also don't have it. However, that is a tool we all need. Does Paint Shop Pro do curves? Hersch At 02:15 AM 12/31/2001 +1100, you wrote: Consider Photoshop Elements. PSEL is targeted to photographers, and has most of the features we would use regularly, at a fraction of the cost of Photoshop Pro (PSP). PSP is really targeted to the high end - graphic artists, art directors, etc. Best regards Des Alex Zabrovsky wrote: What would you recommend as the most comprehensive image editing application (software) considering resource/performance ? I'm trying to evaluate what image evaluation/editing software would provide me with best, yet simple managing taking the least amount of system resources possible. Photoshop is probably the most famous, however I suspect it is quite heavy in use (considering my beginning level) and might be quite resource-hungry by itself (memory). What about Paint Shop Pro ? I was advised to try it out instead of Photoshop... Regards, Alex Z -- Des Paroz Sydney, Australia www.BlueBeyond.com.au Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body
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Hersch Nitikman wrote: In my opinion, having left out the 'curves' tool, Adobe has crippled Photoshop Elements to the point that I would not recommend it to any photographer. Of course, most of the other lower cost programs also don't have it. However, that is a tool we all need. Does Paint Shop Pro do curves? Hersch Hi Hersch I almost never use the curves functionality when I do use PSP, and I certainly don't miss it in PSEL. If I want to use curves, then I can do so with my scanner drivers, but more commonly I use the histogram. Why can't you live without it? Best regards Des -- Des Paroz Sydney, Australia www.BlueBeyond.com.au Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body
[filmscanners] Re: Editing application
- Original Message - From: Alex Zabrovsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:42 AM Subject: [filmscanners] Editing application What would you recommend as the most comprehensive image editing application (software) considering resource/performance ? Comprehensive? = Photoshop 6.0 I'm trying to evaluate what image evaluation/editing software would provide me with best, yet simple managing taking the least amount of system resources possible. Photoshop is probably the most famous, however I suspect it is quite heavy in use (considering my beginning level) and might be quite resource-hungry by itself (memory). cinsidering my beginning level still = Photoshop. None of these programs are supported by tutorial information to the extant that Photoshop is. What about Paint Shop Pro ? I was advised to try it out instead of Photoshop... Paint Shop Pro? Depends on your purpose, print or video? I believe Paint Shop Pro does not support color management. You might be better off with Corel Photo Paint or Picture Window. My comment above regarding tutorial support still applies though. I started with Photo Paint (version 6) and used Photoshop tutorials to learn. I believe the added effort to convert instructions from Photoshop to Photo Paint reinforced understanding of the process. After I took a formal class using Photoshop, I went to Photoshop (version 4 at the time) and have stuck with it since. Bob Wright Regards, Alex Z Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body Unsubscribe by mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], with 'unsubscribe' in the title or body
