Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
Here you go: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/using/productdoc/en/hardware_overvie w.asp Firewire is supported in both Home and Pro versions of XP. Pat - Original Message - From: "Ian Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 8:11 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > Mark, > > Sometimes we all need our hand held and for me this is a time.I have > read in some review although forgotten where, that the Home edition > does NOT include IEEE1394. Now you are still saying that it does. > However like me you do not provide a reference. So lets leave it like > that until someone else makes a confirming "verifiable" post. > > Kind regards, > > Ian > - Original Message - > From: "Mark Otway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:33 PM > Subject: RE: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > > > > >> You have quoted a post which I missed. I looked at the > > >> site you listed but can see nothing listed for IEEE1394. > > >> Please advise where you saw that XP Home support this. > > > > That's the point - there is no difference between Pro and Home where > > Firewire is concerned. It's supported on both. If any particular > device > > isn't supported, it's because it needs 3rd-party drivers, and it won't > > be supported on either Pro or Home without them. > > > > Mark > > _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
Ian wrote: > Mark, > > Sometimes we all need our hand held and for me this is a time.I have > read in some review although forgotten where, that the Home edition > does NOT include IEEE1394. Now you are still saying that it does. > However like me you do not provide a reference. So lets leave it like > that until someone else makes a confirming "verifiable" post. Mark wrote: > > That's the point - there is no difference between Pro and Home where > > Firewire is concerned. It's supported on both. If any particular > device > > isn't supported, it's because it needs 3rd-party drivers, and it won't > > be supported on either Pro or Home without them. Bill has written: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/using/productdoc/en/default.asp?url=/WINDOWSXP/home/using/productdoc/en/hardware_install_pnp_device.asp Or, try a search on the XP Home home page for ieee 1394 for other references Bob
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
OK, let's put this one to sleep. I just threw my wife off her computer (I'll pay for that) and rebooted XP Home (she's dual booting Me until she gets everything over). I went into Add Hardware and told it I would manually select the device. Clear as day, there was a choice for an IEEE 1394 Controller. So, Windows XP Home DEFINITELY includes drivers for Firewire. Although this has already been beaten to death and there have been several links to Microsoft's site showing it was posted, I can now personally comfirm support. Tom From: "Ian Jackson" > Mark, > > Sometimes we all need our hand held and for me this is a time.I have > read in some review although forgotten where, that the Home edition > does NOT include IEEE1394. Now you are still saying that it does. > However like me you do not provide a reference. So lets leave it like > that until someone else makes a confirming "verifiable" post. > > Kind regards, > > Ian
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
Mark, Sometimes we all need our hand held and for me this is a time.I have read in some review although forgotten where, that the Home edition does NOT include IEEE1394. Now you are still saying that it does. However like me you do not provide a reference. So lets leave it like that until someone else makes a confirming "verifiable" post. Kind regards, Ian - Original Message - From: "Mark Otway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: RE: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > >> You have quoted a post which I missed. I looked at the > >> site you listed but can see nothing listed for IEEE1394. > >> Please advise where you saw that XP Home support this. > > That's the point - there is no difference between Pro and Home where > Firewire is concerned. It's supported on both. If any particular device > isn't supported, it's because it needs 3rd-party drivers, and it won't > be supported on either Pro or Home without them. > > Mark >
RE: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
>> You have quoted a post which I missed. I looked at the >> site you listed but can see nothing listed for IEEE1394. >> Please advise where you saw that XP Home support this. That's the point - there is no difference between Pro and Home where Firewire is concerned. It's supported on both. If any particular device isn't supported, it's because it needs 3rd-party drivers, and it won't be supported on either Pro or Home without them. Mark
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
Mark, You have quoted a post which I missed. I looked at the site you listed but can see nothing listed for IEEE1394. Please advise where you saw that XP Home support this. Ian - Original Message - From: "Mark Otway" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: RE: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > >> It's XP Home and XP Pro. Your statement is wrong. Firewire > >> is supported in any version of XP. Home and Pro are the > >> same operating system. Home just lacks some optional features of Pro. > > Absolutely right. For the full set of differences, see: > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp >
RE: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
>> It's XP Home and XP Pro. Your statement is wrong. Firewire >> is supported in any version of XP. Home and Pro are the >> same operating system. Home just lacks some optional features of Pro. Absolutely right. For the full set of differences, see: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
Ian, Have you really checked this page? < http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWSXP/home/evaluation/overviews/hardware.asp > Quote: Windows XP Home Edition supports the latest hardware standards, including: * Universal Serial Bus (USB), along with the high?speed bus known as IEEE 1394 (used for connecting multiple computers or devices to your computer). Unquote. / Svante --On Tuesday, October 30, 2001 15:25 + Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alex, > > We are saying exactly the same thing. It surprises me that : > > A) Microsoft did not include IEEE1394 in the Home version > B) Minolta did not make the MSMP with Win98 and an IEEE1394/PCI card > and ; > C) Minolta have no SCSI support for Windows XP > > Kind of narrows down the choice! > > Ian > - Original Message - > From: "Alex Zabrovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:34 PM > Subject: RE: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > > >> As far as I heard, there are two versions of XP: XP Home or XP > Professional >> (or XP Office). >> Among certain differences, Professional offers immediate support for >> FireWire while Home not. >> There are the chances I'm wrong, but that what I heard. >> >> Regards, >> Alex Z >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ian Jackson >> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:03 PM >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 >> >> >> Svante, >> >> Thats the problem. it isnt! >> >> Ian >> - Original Message - >> From: "Svante Kleist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:55 AM >> Subject: Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 >> >> >> > >> > Ian, >> > >> > Since IEEE 1394 is provided by Windows 2000 out-of-the-box, >> > I expect that the same is valid for XP. >> > >> > Svante Kleist, NEMESIS systemDesign, Stockholm >> > >> > >> > --On Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:17 + Ian Jackson >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > Anyone know if there is an upgrade to Windows XP to allow a > IEEE1394 >> > > "Firewire" PCI card to work? >> > > >> > > I was planning to buy a Minolta Scan Multi Pro >> > > >> > > Ian >> > > >> > >> > >> >> >
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
It's XP Home and XP Pro. Your statement is wrong. Firewire is supported in any version of XP. Home and Pro are the same operating system. Home just lacks some optional features of Pro. Any XP driver works in any XP version. Tom From: "Alex Zabrovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > As far as I heard, there are two versions of XP: XP Home or XP Professional > (or XP Office). > Among certain differences, Professional offers immediate support for > FireWire while Home not. > There are the chances I'm wrong, but that what I heard. > > Regards, > Alex Z >
RE: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
The following like (USA I admit) says Minolta does support both SCSI and Firewire. http://www.minoltausa.com/main.asp?productID=888&whichProductSection=1&whichSect ion=2 The following link say MSFT Home version of XP does support Fire Wire. http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWSXP/home/evaluation/overviews/hardware.asp I seriously doubt their features are disconnected in the UK. I am not surprised Minolta (and many other hardware people) currently say they don't support Windows XP. That is a very different statement then saying their hardware will not function with Windows XP. Keep in mind the follow: #1 Windows XP in terms of hardware support does everything Windows 2000 does and more. #2 Windows XP has an "adjustment" so that it can "look like" windows 98 to either software or hardware. This setting can be made specifically for items on your PC, not just a general adjustment. #3 Minolta and many other hardware people have only had a final copy of XP for a few days. I would hope they would spend a few weeks checking out various issues before they claim all is well in computer land. As an example, Nikon has posted on their site what scanners will and will not be supported for Windows XP. They also have said they plan on getting drivers posted during November. (Either directly or by implication they suggest the current software will not work with XP; however, it is clear many scanners do with with XP although it may be necessary to have a specific version of the scanner software.) __ Gordon Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nashville, TN 37215 USA
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
Alex, We are saying exactly the same thing. It surprises me that : A) Microsoft did not include IEEE1394 in the Home version B) Minolta did not make the MSMP with Win98 and an IEEE1394/PCI card and ; C) Minolta have no SCSI support for Windows XP Kind of narrows down the choice! Ian - Original Message - From: "Alex Zabrovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:34 PM Subject: RE: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > As far as I heard, there are two versions of XP: XP Home or XP Professional > (or XP Office). > Among certain differences, Professional offers immediate support for > FireWire while Home not. > There are the chances I'm wrong, but that what I heard. > > Regards, > Alex Z > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ian Jackson > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:03 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > > > Svante, > > Thats the problem. it isnt! > > Ian > - Original Message - > From: "Svante Kleist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > > > > > > Ian, > > > > Since IEEE 1394 is provided by Windows 2000 out-of-the-box, > > I expect that the same is valid for XP. > > > > Svante Kleist, NEMESIS systemDesign, Stockholm > > > > > > --On Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:17 + Ian Jackson > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Anyone know if there is an upgrade to Windows XP to allow a IEEE1394 > > > "Firewire" PCI card to work? > > > > > > I was planning to buy a Minolta Scan Multi Pro > > > > > > Ian > > > > > > > > >
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
Cary, It is Minolta who saiud that that it their MSMP which will not work with WIN98/IEE1394. Minolta is not saying that Win98 will not work (or vise versa) with the IEEE1394 pci card. Ian - Original Message - From: "Enoch's Vision, Inc. (Cary Enoch R...)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 2:32 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > At 13:03 30-10-01 +, you wrote: > >Svante, > > > >Thats the problem. it isnt! > > > To be supported out of the box in Win2K your firewire card must be listed as: > "Texas Instruments (refers specifically to the chipset not the OEM) OHCI > Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller." That applies to the majority of > recent cards. Some cards made by Pinnacle and others are specifically > designed for video capture and don't work well for other applications. For > best performance get an Adaptec IEEE 1394 card. It's plug-and-play and will > be instantly and silently recognized. > > > Since IEEE 1394 is provided by Windows 2000 out-of-the-box, > > I expect that the same is valid for XP. > > > > Svante Kleist, NEMESIS systemDesign, Stockholm > > > Cary Enoch Reinstein aka Enoch's Vision, Inc., Peach County, Georgia > http://www.enochsvision.com/, http://www.bahaivision.com/ -- "Behind all > these manifestations is the one radiance, which shines through all things. > The function of art is to reveal this radiance through the created object." > ~Joseph Campbell >
RE: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
As far as I heard, there are two versions of XP: XP Home or XP Professional (or XP Office). Among certain differences, Professional offers immediate support for FireWire while Home not. There are the chances I'm wrong, but that what I heard. Regards, Alex Z -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ian Jackson Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 3:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 Svante, Thats the problem. it isnt! Ian - Original Message - From: "Svante Kleist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:55 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > > Ian, > > Since IEEE 1394 is provided by Windows 2000 out-of-the-box, > I expect that the same is valid for XP. > > Svante Kleist, NEMESIS systemDesign, Stockholm > > > --On Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:17 + Ian Jackson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Anyone know if there is an upgrade to Windows XP to allow a IEEE1394 > > "Firewire" PCI card to work? > > > > I was planning to buy a Minolta Scan Multi Pro > > > > Ian > > > >
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 / Windows XP
Well, since I haven't acquired XP yet (and I will probably refrain from it as long as possible) I can't really contradict you if you state that it isn't. The Microsoft web site gives another message though: < http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWSXP/home/evaluation/overviews/hardware.asp > < http://www.microsoft.com/WINDOWSXP/pro/evaluation/overviews/hardware.asp > / Svante --On Tuesday, October 30, 2001 13:03 + Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Svante, > > Thats the problem. it isnt! > > Ian > - Original Message - > From: "Svante Kleist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > > >> >> Ian, >> >> Since IEEE 1394 is provided by Windows 2000 out-of-the-box, >> I expect that the same is valid for XP. >> >> Svante Kleist, NEMESIS systemDesign, Stockholm >> >> >> --On Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:17 + Ian Jackson >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > Anyone know if there is an upgrade to Windows XP to allow a IEEE1394 >> > "Firewire" PCI card to work? >> > >> > I was planning to buy a Minolta Scan Multi Pro >> > >> > Ian >> > >> >> >
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
At 13:03 30-10-01 +, you wrote: >Svante, > >Thats the problem. it isnt! To be supported out of the box in Win2K your firewire card must be listed as: "Texas Instruments (refers specifically to the chipset not the OEM) OHCI Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller." That applies to the majority of recent cards. Some cards made by Pinnacle and others are specifically designed for video capture and don't work well for other applications. For best performance get an Adaptec IEEE 1394 card. It's plug-and-play and will be instantly and silently recognized. > Since IEEE 1394 is provided by Windows 2000 out-of-the-box, > I expect that the same is valid for XP. > > Svante Kleist, NEMESIS systemDesign, Stockholm Cary Enoch Reinstein aka Enoch's Vision, Inc., Peach County, Georgia http://www.enochsvision.com/, http://www.bahaivision.com/ -- "Behind all these manifestations is the one radiance, which shines through all things. The function of art is to reveal this radiance through the created object." ~Joseph Campbell
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
Gordon, Minolta told me that the MSMP cannot use Firewire with WIN98 even with an IEEE1394 pci card. I don't want to spend £250 for WINXP Prof. Ian - Original Message - From: "Gordon Potter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 1:15 PM Subject: RE: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > Generally the drivers you want are prepared/written by the company that > manufacturers the card. They are included in Windows if there is enough demand > or need. I recall reading then there is a cut off for hardware that is more > then two years old. So unless your Firewire card was manufactured in 2000 or > 2001, you may be out of luck. In any case, your best be would be the card > manufacturer. I would check their web site. Finally, more then a few hardware > items don't run on the card versions of Firewire. I don't know whether the > Minolta Scanners have that limitation or not. > > > __ > > Gordon Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Nashville, TN 37215 > USA > > >
RE: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
Generally the drivers you want are prepared/written by the company that manufacturers the card. They are included in Windows if there is enough demand or need. I recall reading then there is a cut off for hardware that is more then two years old. So unless your Firewire card was manufactured in 2000 or 2001, you may be out of luck. In any case, your best be would be the card manufacturer. I would check their web site. Finally, more then a few hardware items don't run on the card versions of Firewire. I don't know whether the Minolta Scanners have that limitation or not. __ Gordon Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nashville, TN 37215 USA
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
Svante, Thats the problem. it isnt! Ian - Original Message - From: "Svante Kleist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 11:55 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394 > > Ian, > > Since IEEE 1394 is provided by Windows 2000 out-of-the-box, > I expect that the same is valid for XP. > > Svante Kleist, NEMESIS systemDesign, Stockholm > > > --On Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:17 + Ian Jackson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Anyone know if there is an upgrade to Windows XP to allow a IEEE1394 > > "Firewire" PCI card to work? > > > > I was planning to buy a Minolta Scan Multi Pro > > > > Ian > > > >
Re: filmscanners: Firewire IEEE1394
Ian, Since IEEE 1394 is provided by Windows 2000 out-of-the-box, I expect that the same is valid for XP. Svante Kleist, NEMESIS systemDesign, Stockholm --On Tuesday, October 30, 2001 9:17 + Ian Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone know if there is an upgrade to Windows XP to allow a IEEE1394 > "Firewire" PCI card to work? > > I was planning to buy a Minolta Scan Multi Pro > > Ian >
