Re: filmscanners: evolution (was Nikon 8000 ED or Polaroid Sprintscan 120 ??

2001-02-21 Thread Michael Moore

Tony... I wasn't talking about a $200 scanner... I was talking about a scanner in
the $1000 to $2000 range, same as those cameras you referred to... BTW, I use a
Nikon N90s, cost me $750 for the body new... uses the same glass as the F-5... It
seems to me a camera is actually a more complex animal than a scanner, even a film
scanner... when enough fotogs start to figure out they are going to have to scan or
die, the market will get really competitive for their dollar, just like the pro
camera market is...

Mike M.

Tony Sleep wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:33:31 -0700  Michael Moore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> >  There is a BIG market out there for a good quality, reasonably priced
> > scanner that will meet pro needs..
>
> Ah, but the market determines the price. Why would a manufacturer charge less
> than they can achieve? A cheap pro quality scanner is therefore tautological.
> The same goes for Nikon F5, EOS1v, sundry Leicas and Contaxes etc. Of course I
> wish they were $200 too...
>
> However, as with cameras, mid-market filmscanners may start to acquire extra
> bells and whistles to entice buyers who aren't as interested in long-term
> durability or best-possible quality, but rather the overall blend of
> attributes. The profusion of brand new acronyms might suggest filmscanner
> marketing is already headed down this well-worn path. It's a sign of a maturing
> market where technological advance has rather reached a stalemate, or at least
> adequacy for the market, and is a standard way of making your products seem
> superior to rivals of otherwise equal performance.
>
> I think all the current generation filmscanners are, at a hardware level,
> basically competent and capable of good results in the right hands. That's why
> I think the donated-Q60 review methodology is past it's best-by date. When I
> started doing it, just about every scanner was grossly different and incapable
> of anything approaching neutrality. That has changed - like SLR's they're all
> pretty damn good now, and preferences come down to features, ergonomics,
> software and useability. And of course price.
>
> Regards
>
> Tony Sleep
> http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner info &
> comparisons




Re: filmscanners: evolution (was Nikon 8000 ED or Polaroid Sprintscan 120 ??

2001-02-21 Thread Tony Sleep

On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:33:31 -0700  Michael Moore ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

>  There is a BIG market out there for a good quality, reasonably priced
> scanner that will meet pro needs.. 

Ah, but the market determines the price. Why would a manufacturer charge less 
than they can achieve? A cheap pro quality scanner is therefore tautological. 
The same goes for Nikon F5, EOS1v, sundry Leicas and Contaxes etc. Of course I 
wish they were $200 too... 

However, as with cameras, mid-market filmscanners may start to acquire extra 
bells and whistles to entice buyers who aren't as interested in long-term 
durability or best-possible quality, but rather the overall blend of 
attributes. The profusion of brand new acronyms might suggest filmscanner 
marketing is already headed down this well-worn path. It's a sign of a maturing 
market where technological advance has rather reached a stalemate, or at least 
adequacy for the market, and is a standard way of making your products seem 
superior to rivals of otherwise equal performance.

I think all the current generation filmscanners are, at a hardware level, 
basically competent and capable of good results in the right hands. That's why 
I think the donated-Q60 review methodology is past it's best-by date. When I 
started doing it, just about every scanner was grossly different and incapable 
of anything approaching neutrality. That has changed - like SLR's they're all 
pretty damn good now, and preferences come down to features, ergonomics, 
software and useability. And of course price.

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner info & 
comparisons



RE: filmscanners: evolution (was Nikon 8000 ED or Polaroid Sprintscan 120 ??

2001-02-21 Thread Frank Paris

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Tony Sleep
> Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 6:13 AM
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> Subject: Re: filmscanners: evolution (was Nikon 8000 ED or Polaroid
> Sprintscan 120 ??
> 
> 
> On Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:33:31 -0700  Michael Moore 
> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> Ah, but the market determines the price. Why would a manufacturer 
> charge less 
> than they can achieve? A cheap pro quality scanner is therefore 
> tautological. 

Tautological or an oxymoron?

Frank Paris
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=62684 



RE: filmscanners: evolution (was Nikon 8000 ED or Polaroid Sprintscan 120 ??

2001-02-22 Thread Tony Sleep

On 21 Feb 2001 07:22:44 -0800  Frank Paris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Tautological or an oxymoron?
At 3am, I didn't care :)

Regards 

Tony Sleep
http://www.halftone.co.uk - Online portfolio & exhibit; + film scanner info & 
comparisons