RE: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ?
For Win95/98/me/w2k(aka nt5): The scsi devices need to be turned on prior to booting only if it requires the scsi bios to be loaded -- bios only needs to be loaded for disk/bootable devices. So for scanners, no need to do so. Just use the device manager and click on refresh. For nt/Win3.x: these are non-plug play, so you need to have the scsi devices powered up before booting. (NT/Win3.x cannot rescan bus and start the service) Unix/Linux: issue the appropriate command to mount the device. DISCLAIMER: I've done hotplugging of SCSI devices successfully, but it's not a recommended procedure. Its not straight forward either, and can result in loss of data or even device damage. I recommend you shut down the system before adding /removing scsi devices, but if you really need to do so, my procedure is given below. I strongly recommend you back up your data before you try this. on scsi hot plugging (another message, which I must have deleted, sorry): apart from the SCA hot plug devices, yes, it can be done (AT YOUR OWN RISK). Get all the equipment ready and standing by. Ensure no scsi bus activity is taking place (eg use the sync command found in Unix or Unix-like utilities such as MKS Toolkit or Thomson toolkit), then you have a few seconds to act. When a device is disconnected, the bus is unterminated and nasty things can happen if there is bus activity on an unterminated bus. this includes loss of data - so I repeat, DO THIS AT YOUR OWN RISK. Quickly unplug one device, insert the new device and hookup. ** PRAY ** Power up new device if necessary. May need to reboot (for non-plugplay OS). In NT4, you can trick the system to rescan the bus by going to control panel -- tape devices -- rescan for tape devices. Strangely 'nuff it works. Cheers Lawrence Lynn wrote: David wrote: If I remember correctly, SCSI devices need to be turned on before you boot the system, in order for the SCSI controller to detect it. Not on my system (Dell Dimension w/Win98); I just need to turn on the scanner before I load an acuisition program, and it finds the Acer with no problem. Buying the Acer includes a SCSI card. I have USB for my flatbed, and it seems to me it's not as fast at data transfer. But I could be mistaken. -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB )
If you want to turn on your SCSI device after your computer is already booted, No problem. Just right click on MY COMPUTER, left click on properties,select DEVICE Manager tab and left click on REFRESH and then OK. This is for a windows machine. I don't know what you need to do for an Apple machine. Regards, Ron - Original Message - From: Steve Greenbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? 3. Minolta may be USB, but USB devices has the advantage of being hot-swappable which means they can be turned on after the computer has been booted, and it will be detected. If I remember correctly, SCSI devices need to be turned on before you boot the system, in order for the SCSI controller to detect it. Generally in Win 9x/ME you can turn any device on and go to device manager of system properties and click on refresh and the device will work. Remember with USB you can take your scanner anywhere and plug it into any modern machine - you'll probably need to install some drivers as well. The downside is speed and some USB devices don't like some USB controllers. My USB controller on a Via KT133 motherboard is a complete PITA. Steve
RE: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB )
I dont think that will work, as many SCSI devices have to be seen by the SCSI BIOS on boot up. -- James Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jamesgrove.co.uk http://www.mountain-photos.co.uk ICQ 99737573 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ron Carlson Sent: 04 June 2001 06:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB ) If you want to turn on your SCSI device after your computer is already booted, No problem. Just right click on MY COMPUTER, left click on properties,select DEVICE Manager tab and left click on REFRESH and then OK. This is for a windows machine. I don't know what you need to do for an Apple machine. Regards, Ron - Original Message - From: Steve Greenbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? 3. Minolta may be USB, but USB devices has the advantage of being hot-swappable which means they can be turned on after the computer has been booted, and it will be detected. If I remember correctly, SCSI devices need to be turned on before you boot the system, in order for the SCSI controller to detect it. Generally in Win 9x/ME you can turn any device on and go to device manager of system properties and click on refresh and the device will work. Remember with USB you can take your scanner anywhere and plug it into any modern machine - you'll probably need to install some drivers as well. The downside is speed and some USB devices don't like some USB controllers. My USB controller on a Via KT133 motherboard is a complete PITA. Steve
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB )
In 01c0ecc2$a1908ef0$6401a8c0@jamesg, James Grove wrote: I dont think that will work, as many SCSI devices have to be seen by the SCSI BIOS on boot up. It certainly does *not* work on my Windows 98 machine - the SCSI devices all have to be on at boot-up. Brian Rumary, England http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB )
Hot Swappable means only one thing: It can be plugged/un-plugged while the computer (and the cable connection) is in operation and active. Firewire (1394) and USB have that property. SCSI does not, although you can optain special connectors that allow hot-swappability at those connections, but you need to know what you are doing. On Apple Macs, you can turn on or off all SCSI (notice I didn't say unplug or plug) devices anytime. Harddrives (external) will need to be mounted if turned on after the computer is booted. Execute mounting software utility. Ditto for unmounting. Scanners however will become active on SCSI connections immediately without doing anything, even if not on initially when the computer boots. Auto recognition built in Apple OS without special drivers. Hot Swappability is only built into USB and 1394 IEEE standard, not SCSI, albiet the special purchase connectors that allow such connectors without high risk of frying your SCSI PCI board or your motherboard. Or, causing massive errors and crashing of your SCSI hardrives. Can't speak for ATA, EID drives, but generally speaking most parallel protocol communication technology can't be hot swapped. 1394 and USB are serial technology. If you want to turn on your SCSI device after your computer is already booted, No problem. Just right click on MY COMPUTER, left click on properties,select DEVICE Manager tab and left click on REFRESH and then OK. This is for a windows machine. I don't know what you need to do for an Apple machine. Regards, Ron - Original Message - From: Steve Greenbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? 3. Minolta may be USB, but USB devices has the advantage of being hot-swappable which means they can be turned on after the computer has been booted, and it will be detected. If I remember correctly, SCSI devices need to be turned on before you boot the system, in order for the SCSI controller to detect it. Generally in Win 9x/ME you can turn any device on and go to device manager of system properties and click on refresh and the device will work. Remember with USB you can take your scanner anywhere and plug it into any modern machine - you'll probably need to install some drivers as well. The downside is speed and some USB devices don't like some USB controllers. My USB controller on a Via KT133 motherboard is a complete PITA. Steve
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB )
That works on mine. Geoff - Original Message - From: James Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 4:50 PM Subject: RE: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB ) I dont think that will work, as many SCSI devices have to be seen by the SCSI BIOS on boot up. -- James Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jamesgrove.co.uk http://www.mountain-photos.co.uk ICQ 99737573 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ron Carlson Sent: 04 June 2001 06:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB ) If you want to turn on your SCSI device after your computer is already booted, No problem. Just right click on MY COMPUTER, left click on properties,select DEVICE Manager tab and left click on REFRESH and then OK. This is for a windows machine. I don't know what you need to do for an Apple machine. Regards, Ron - Original Message - From: Steve Greenbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? 3. Minolta may be USB, but USB devices has the advantage of being hot-swappable which means they can be turned on after the computer has been booted, and it will be detected. If I remember correctly, SCSI devices need to be turned on before you boot the system, in order for the SCSI controller to detect it. Generally in Win 9x/ME you can turn any device on and go to device manager of system properties and click on refresh and the device will work. Remember with USB you can take your scanner anywhere and plug it into any modern machine - you'll probably need to install some drivers as well. The downside is speed and some USB devices don't like some USB controllers. My USB controller on a Via KT133 motherboard is a complete PITA. Steve
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB )
James Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont think that will work, as many SCSI devices have to be seen by the SCSI BIOS on boot up. It works with my LS30 and the Scanjet IIIc. Scanners shouldn't be a problem. The most likely devices that would need to be seen at SCSI BIOS load would be hard drives. Someone else suggested selecting the SCSI card in the device list and then clicking refresh. This seems to be more specific and slightly quicker. You can get to the device list fastest by right-clicking on My Computer and selecting Properties. Rob
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB )
I dont think that will work, as many SCSI devices have to be seen by the SCSI BIOS on boot up. Have you tried it? I've been using that method for years. It works about 95% of the time.
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB )
Well it works without any problem for now one year on my W2k machine with sp2 installed... Jean-Pierre - Original Message - From: B.Rumary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 6:29 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB ) In 01c0ecc2$a1908ef0$6401a8c0@jamesg, James Grove wrote: I dont think that will work, as many SCSI devices have to be seen by the SCSI BIOS on boot up. It certainly does *not* work on my Windows 98 machine - the SCSI devices all have to be on at boot-up. Brian Rumary, England http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB )
This is strange, because mine works just fine without the BIOS/ Boot or fiddling around. What year-model machines are you guys usning? It shouldn't make any difference, given Win98, but it would look like it does. Mine's a '99 Dell with a very few updates, and spots any device as soon as the device is turned on or plugged in (USB only--don't try this with SCISI). Best regards--LRA --Original Message-- From: B.Rumary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: June 4, 2001 4:29:12 PM GMT Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB ) In 01c0ecc2$a1908ef0$6401a8c0@jamesg, James Grove wrote: I dont think that will work, as many SCSI devices have to be seen by the SCSI BIOS on boot up. It certainly does *not* work on my Windows 98 machine - the SCSI devices all have to be on at boot-up. Brian Rumary, England http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm --- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB )
I tried this today and it worked for me - I'm running Windows 98SE Maris - Original Message - From: B.Rumary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 11:29 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB ) | In 01c0ecc2$a1908ef0$6401a8c0@jamesg, James Grove wrote: | | I dont think that will work, as many SCSI devices have to be seen by the | SCSI BIOS on boot up. | | It certainly does *not* work on my Windows 98 machine - the SCSI devices | all have to be on at boot-up. | | Brian Rumary, England | | http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm | | |
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB )
It has always worked for me. I believe that the device manager refresh I suggested accomplishes what you suggest just as if the SCSI device was on at Windows Boot up. This is a proceedure that I nearly always use with my SS 4000. It has never failed. Try it. Regards, Ron - Original Message - From: James Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:50 PM Subject: RE: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB ) I dont think that will work, as many SCSI devices have to be seen by the SCSI BIOS on boot up. -- James Grove [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jamesgrove.co.uk http://www.mountain-photos.co.uk ICQ 99737573 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Ron Carlson Sent: 04 June 2001 06:32 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB ) If you want to turn on your SCSI device after your computer is already booted, No problem. Just right click on MY COMPUTER, left click on properties,select DEVICE Manager tab and left click on REFRESH and then OK. This is for a windows machine. I don't know what you need to do for an Apple machine. Regards, Ron - Original Message - From: Steve Greenbank [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:08 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? 3. Minolta may be USB, but USB devices has the advantage of being hot-swappable which means they can be turned on after the computer has been booted, and it will be detected. If I remember correctly, SCSI devices need to be turned on before you boot the system, in order for the SCSI controller to detect it. Generally in Win 9x/ME you can turn any device on and go to device manager of system properties and click on refresh and the device will work. Remember with USB you can take your scanner anywhere and plug it into any modern machine - you'll probably need to install some drivers as well. The downside is speed and some USB devices don't like some USB controllers. My USB controller on a Via KT133 motherboard is a complete PITA. Steve
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB )
It works on my wife's Win 98 SE machine and her SCSI flat bed. Regards, Ron - Original Message - From: B.Rumary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:29 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? ( SCSI vs USB ) In 01c0ecc2$a1908ef0$6401a8c0@jamesg, James Grove wrote: I dont think that will work, as many SCSI devices have to be seen by the SCSI BIOS on boot up. It certainly does *not* work on my Windows 98 machine - the SCSI devices all have to be on at boot-up. Brian Rumary, England http://freespace.virgin.net/brian.rumary/homepage.htm
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ?
I received several replies with helpful information from my original email. My choices seem to be Acer 2740 Canon FS2710 Minolta Scan Dual The Acer and Canon are SCSI connections and the Minolta is USB. I think I remember reading that slide scanners with USB sometimes cause problems. There have also been some problems with the Minolta that I have been reading on this group. If this is correct, I can limit my choices to the Acer or the Canon. The Acer appears to be very large and the slide holder can be difficult to load with plastic springs that are fragile. The Canon loads the slides vertically. The Acer comes with digital ICE. So far, I have not decided. Maybe another round of replies will help me decide. Thanks, This is my original email I have many color slides that I want to scan and make prints. Most of the prints will be 4x6 or 5x7 with an occasional 8x10. The scanner that falls in my price range of $400+ is the Minolta Scan Dual, but a friend of mine recommended a Nikon Coolscan, but the prices of the Nikon scanners seem to start at $800. Recently, I have seen messages about the Canon FS2710 and the Acer is also in this price range. Photography is my hobby and I have slides going back many years. I also take slides when I travel. What are your suggestions for a scanner to meet my needs? Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ?
I bought the Minolta Dual Scan II (note not Dual Scan...but the newer version) about two weeks ago (it is around the same price range as the Canon FS2710) and I haven't had any problems. Unfortunately nobody in my area sold the Acer, so for me it was choice between the Minolta vs. Canon. If you have a lot of old dirty slides, then I guess Acer with Digital ICE will be the one for you. For me I chose the Minolta: 1. better software control than the Canon. Canon's aquiring program sucks and is not as natural to use. Of course with both scanners you'll probably use Vuescan, but I still seem to can better scans with negatives with the Minolta OEM software... I dunno maybe i need to fiddle more. 2. Canon, you must scan one slide at a time. even with negatives, you need to move slider on the holder when you want to scan another. Minolta uses a tray system (which can be loud/noisy) but it can allow 4 slides at a time and 6 negatives. also sales person said that Minolta's tray system allows for straighter scans. sometimes the Canon scans are slightly crooked. 3. Minolta may be USB, but USB devices has the advantage of being hot-swappable which means they can be turned on after the computer has been booted, and it will be detected. If I remember correctly, SCSI devices need to be turned on before you boot the system, in order for the SCSI controller to detect it. I live out in Vancouver, Canada and there is a Minolta factory service depot nearby so I'm not too worried about servicing...I can drop it off myself if necessary (whereas the Canon scanner needs to mailed out to a service depot in the next province...). I know that we have seen several people complain about banding on the Minoltas, but again i haven't seen anything wrong with mine so far... you can read more at this thread: http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=001OVc Just my 2 CDN cents... -Dave. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ? I received several replies with helpful information from my original email. My choices seem to be Acer 2740 Canon FS2710 Minolta Scan Dual snip
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ?
3. Minolta may be USB, but USB devices has the advantage of being hot-swappable which means they can be turned on after the computer has been booted, and it will be detected. If I remember correctly, SCSI devices need to be turned on before you boot the system, in order for the SCSI controller to detect it. Generally in Win 9x/ME you can turn any device on and go to device manager of system properties and click on refresh and the device will work. Remember with USB you can take your scanner anywhere and plug it into any modern machine - you'll probably need to install some drivers as well. The downside is speed and some USB devices don't like some USB controllers. My USB controller on a Via KT133 motherboard is a complete PITA. Steve
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ?
Colin Maddock wrote: Art wrote: I have heard one report that the Minolta shows dust more easily than the Canon, but also it is sharper and has better shadow detail. A small but perhaps important plus with the Canon is that the slide/neg is vertical as it sits in the scanner, so dust is less likely to settle on it. I don't know what the long term consequences might be, but someone has been using his Minolta Dual II turned 90 degrees so the film holder is vertical to avoid this problem. He told me he was doing this for a while. The other consideration is a self-styled hood to protect the film that is sticking out from dust falling on it. Art
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Art wrote: I don't know what the long term consequences might be, but someone has been using his Minolta Dual II turned 90 degrees so the film holder is vertical to avoid this problem. He told me he was doing this for a while. The Nikon LS30 (possibly others I don't know) can be used flat or vertically. There are feet fitted in two sides of the case. I'm using mine flat so the film goes in vertically. This may also help to keep dust off the CCD. Rob Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wordweb.com
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ?
In terms of taking 35mm film frames and scanning for snapshot size and 8 x10's any of the scanners you mentioned will do the trick. In the under $400 US price range, the Minolta Dual Dimage II and Canon FS 2710 are similar. The Canon has SCSI interface, the Minolta USB. I have heard one report that the Minolta shows dust more easily than the Canon, but also it is sharper and has better shadow detail. Some reports of early failures a re showing up also, but I'm not clear what to make of this yet. (I guess get a good warranty, or go to a good dealer)... For about the same price you can get the Acer 2740 which has digital ICE, which removes or reduces dust and surface defects, which can be a help if you have poorly stored images, or a dusty environment, but if you are only enlarging to 8 x 10, it is less of a problem. Less expensive still is the Acer Scanwit 2720 which doesn't have this feature. (The Acers are SCSI) The Nikons are more expensive. I'm not sure they are worth it for the use you have in mind, or even otherwise. Although they might have somewhat better color rendition, and be a bit faster, is it worth double the price? The Nikons have not shown to be any better in terms of reliability, service, software stability, or any other factor which would make me feel more compelled to them. They do tend to have a shallower depth of field, so if you have mounted slides which tend to be very peaked or negs with a lot of curve in the film, you may be disappointed. If you have flat film, you might get a bit extra resolution from it. The questions you need to ask is: 1) Am I more likely to be scanning slides of negs (consider Vuescan, a 3rd party software package for $40 USB (downloadable, and a full free demo to test), which might even out this issue, since most of the slide scanner in this group are supported) 2) Are my images typically normal? By this I mean do they fall into typical exposure ranges. Film which is several f-stops too dark or light might benefit from multiscanning and other aspects of the hardware. For instance, the way the Acer's deal with exposure a little differently than others and are less forgiving of exposure problems. 3) Are my films damaged with fungus, fingerprints, scratches or dust? If so, consider either the Acer 2740 or the Nikon. The question is whether the Nikon is worth an additional $400 US to get this. You might find the Nikon at a lower cost (the LS-30) now that the new versions are out. Or maybe consider used, if you feel confident in the reliability of the one you are getting. Art Jerry wrote: I have many color slides that I want to scan and make prints. Most of the prints will be 4x6 or 5x7 with an occasional 8x10. The scanner that falls in my price range of $400+ is the Minolta Scan Dual, but a friend of mine recommended a Nikon Coolscan, but the prices of the Nikon scanners seem to start at $800. Recently, I have seen messages about the Canon FS2710 and the Acer is also in this price range. Photography is my hobby and I have slides going back many years. I also take slides when I travel. What are your suggestions for a scanner to meet my needs? Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ?
Art wrote: I have heard one report that the Minolta shows dust more easily than the Canon, but also it is sharper and has better shadow detail. The one thing leads to the other, in my experience. Sharp, clear scans also show sharp, clear dust! :-) For about the same price you can get the Acer 2740 which has digital ICE, which removes or reduces dust and surface defects, which can be a help if you have poorly stored images, or a dusty environment, but if you are only enlarging to 8 x 10, it is less of a problem. Less expensive still is the Acer Scanwit 2720 which doesn't have this feature. (The Acers are SCSI) If you have time constraints/schedules to meet, paying the extra $$$'s for ICE will probably work out well over a reasonably-short length of time. Spotting may be therapeutic and will definitely help you learn your software better, but it uses up a lot of time, too. Whatever, it's something you need to factor into your decisions. Best regards and good luck--LRA --- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com
Re: filmscanners: which scanner for slides ?
Art wrote: I have heard one report that the Minolta shows dust more easily than the Canon, but also it is sharper and has better shadow detail. A small but perhaps important plus with the Canon is that the slide/neg is vertical as it sits in the scanner, so dust is less likely to settle on it. Oh Richard, I'm using Windows, not Mac Colin Maddock
