Re: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
In a message dated 4/24/2001 3:50:37 AM EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For the same reason that Epson hasn't updated the drivers for the Epson Stylus Pro, or that MS stopped upgrading Win 95. This biz is more about moving people to the next generation of devices, not to fix the errors of the past. To Nikon's credit, they did support the LS-30 and LS-2000 in NikonScan 3.0. This not only makes for happier customers (and word of mouth from happy customers is a powerful marketing technique) but it also reduces their support load (assuming there are fewer bugs in NikonScan 3.0). I suspect the reason they didn't add GEM and ROC support to NikonScan 3.0 is because they would have had to pay ASF licensing royalties and because this would have given LS-30 and LS-2000 users less motivation to upgrade. If Nikon were clever, they'd charge for a software upgrade key to make GEM and ROC work with the LS-30 and LS-2000. However, if they were clever they would have fixed the jaggies as well smile. They're primarily a hardware vendor, and like most hardware vendors, treat software as an expense and not as a revenue-making opportunity. (The jaggies on the LS-30 and LS-2000 aren't fixed in NikonScan 3.0, as they still use the same scsi commands as previous versions of NikonScan.) Regards, Ed Hamrick
Re: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
What's the deal with ICE^3 support for the new Nikon scanners only?? If Nikon offers NS3 for the LS-2000, why not offer the full deal??? shAf :o) For the same reason that Epson hasn't updated the drivers for the Epson Stylus Pro, or that MS stopped upgrading Win 95. This biz is more about moving people to the next generation of devices, not to fix the errors of the past. If fairness part of this is that they have limited resources, so the energy goes into new product lines, BUT, the other side is that they WANT you to crave the new product and upgrade to it. Part of that is not offering new features to the owners of older products. Art
RE: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
Ed writes ... To Nikon's credit, they did support the LS-30 and LS-2000 in NikonScan 3.0. This not only makes for happier customers (and word of mouth from happy customers is a powerful marketing technique) but it also reduces their support load (assuming there are fewer bugs in NikonScan 3.0). I believe this is a significant move on Nikon's part for improving what is already a dismal relationships with its customers. It is significant because they didn't have to add SCSI support to this version of NS, originally intended for USB and firewire. I suspect the reason they didn't add GEM and ROC support to NikonScan 3.0 is because they would have had to pay ASF licensing royalties and because this would have given LS-30 and LS-2000 users less motivation to upgrade. If Nikon were clever, they'd charge for a software upgrade key to make GEM and ROC work with the LS-30 and LS-2000. ... I agree whole-heartedly here. The group of users of the last generation of Nikon hardware would have gladly paid for the upgrade, if they understood the issue of also having to pay ASF. Regarding a software key, thay can still offer an upgrade path to NS.v3.1 (... hint, hint ...) But, I may still continue using VS (... welcome back, btw ...) my US$0.02 ... shAf :o)
RE: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
hello again Jack :o) What's the deal with ICE^3 support for the new Nikon scanners only?? If Nikon offers NS3 for the LS-2000, why not offer the full deal??? shAf :o) That is out of our control. I'll pass it on to Nikon though, it sounds like a good idea to me. Jack Phipps Applied Science Fiction -Original Message- From: shAf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III Jack writes ... ... It is amazing what Digital ROC can do for under and over exposed images! Scenes with washed our color come alive! They don't have to be old and faded, but when they are, the color comes back better than the original. The color appears more accurate also. Try it. I think you'll like it.
Re: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
You know, offering the full ICE3 for us earlier scanner owners would sure endear me to Nikon when it came time to upgrade, even if I had to pay some kind of modest licensing or upgrade fee. I find the performance of NS 3.0 to be great, as long as importing the images into photoshop. But using it stand alone it tends to crash when making the 3rd scan, if you haven't already saved the images and closed them out of the program. Comparing it and Vuescan does reveal the advantages of the grain reduction Ed has incorporated into his program, although the colors take a little more adjustment in Vuescan. The focus adjustment in particular in NS 3.0 seems very precise, yielding very sharp images on my LS-30, grain and all. Thus the need for the full features of ICE 3. Edwin - Original Message - From: Jack Phipps [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2001 10:58 AM Subject: RE: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III hello again Jack :o) What's the deal with ICE^3 support for the new Nikon scanners only?? If Nikon offers NS3 for the LS-2000, why not offer the full deal??? shAf :o) That is out of our control. I'll pass it on to Nikon though, it sounds like a good idea to me. Jack Phipps Applied Science Fiction -Original Message- From: shAf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 3:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III Jack writes ... ... It is amazing what Digital ROC can do for under and over exposed images! Scenes with washed our color come alive! They don't have to be old and faded, but when they are, the color comes back better than the original. The color appears more accurate also. Try it. I think you'll like it.
Re: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
Jules writes ... - Original Message - From: "shAf" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... What's the deal with ICE^3 support for the new Nikon scanners only?? If Nikon offers NS3 for the LS-2000, why not offer the full deal??? i'd love to get ICE^3 for my LS-2000. it's typical for companies to try and force current owners to upgrade their hardware through this sort of methods. i wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't hack a way to use ICE^3, since it's all just software anyway. I can imagine this tactic as well ... but they'd make more $$ and more people happy if they charged us for the NS3 upgrade ... but without more freedom with regard to scanning into more appropriate color space, I may just stay with Vuescan. my US$0.02 ... shAf :o)
Re: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
From: "shAf" [EMAIL PROTECTED] What's the deal with ICE^3 support for the new Nikon scanners only?? If Nikon offers NS3 for the LS-2000, why not offer the full deal??? shAf :o) One would think that Nikon would at least offer ICE^3 as an upgrade for a fee for the LS 2000 and LS 30 owners. Dale
Re: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
Thanks for the very informative evaluation, Dieder. I wonder -- since at least one user found this to be a problem -- how did you find the edge-of-frame sharpness to be when scanning at 4000dpi? Is shallow depth of field truly an issue with this scanner? I'm about to purchase one, so I'm especially curious, and don't think that mounting my E6 in glass mounts is a viable solution for me. best from Louisville, KY aa.
RE: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
Dieder writes ... ... A few comments about NikonScan 3.0. --- I am impressed at the accuracy of the colour that is available now. ... Which color spaces are you scanning into? Which "wide gamut" color spaces does NS3 offer?? shAf :o)
Re: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
Andy Adler wrote: Thanks for the very informative evaluation, Dieder. I wonder -- since at least one user found this to be a problem -- how did you find the edge-of-frame sharpness to be when scanning at 4000dpi? Is shallow depth of field truly an issue with this scanner? I'm about to purchase one, so I'm especially curious, and don't think that mounting my E6 in glass mounts is a viable solution for me. best from Louisville, KY aa. Andy why don't you come over to my place and make a few scans to see for yourself. Just because I told you to look around and see what else is out there does not mean I don't have a Nikon scanner. Chuck Film Service Inc.
RE: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
Additional features about NikonScan that I haven't investigated thoroughly yet are the 'Grain reduction algorithm' and the 'restoration of colour algorithm'. I hope I don't need to explore the 'ROC' for a while yet...it'd be somewhat alarming if 2-10 yr old negs that have been properly stored are fading in colour already. It is amazing what Digital ROC can do for under and over exposed images! Scenes with washed our color come alive! They don't have to be old and faded, but when they are, the color comes back better than the original. The color appears more accurate also. Try it. I think you'll like it. Jack Phipps Applied Science Fiction
RE: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
Jack writes ... ... It is amazing what Digital ROC can do for under and over exposed images! Scenes with washed our color come alive! They don't have to be old and faded, but when they are, the color comes back better than the original. The color appears more accurate also. Try it. I think you'll like it. hello again Jack :o) What's the deal with ICE^3 support for the new Nikon scanners only?? If Nikon offers NS3 for the LS-2000, why not offer the full deal??? shAf :o)
Re: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III
- Original Message - From: "shAf" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: RE: filmscanners: Nikon 4000 ED Review Part III What's the deal with ICE^3 support for the new Nikon scanners only?? If Nikon offers NS3 for the LS-2000, why not offer the full deal??? i'd love to get ICE^3 for my LS-2000. it's typical for companies to try and force current owners to upgrade their hardware through this sort of methods. i wouldn't be surprised if someone doesn't hack a way to use ICE^3, since it's all just software anyway. ~j
