Re: filmscanners: Printing: Settings, calibration & whatever
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Norman Unsworth wrote: > I'd appreciate any suggestions / recommendations for getting print results > that more closely resemble what I see on the monitor. Here's my $ 0.02 Forget the color management stuff and learn to look at the RGB numbers a bit while in Photoshop. I still use Photoshop 4 which predates all this "color management" nonsense. Read "Professional Photoshop" by Dan Margulis to learn how this is done. Make sure each image has a reasonable black point and white point. If you're missing either of these, your printed images will look flat. It's asking a lot of your calibration hardware (not to mention your eyes) to set white point and black point "by eye." OTOH, it's very easy to do this using the Curves tool and the "Info" tool in Photoshop. This technique will also help with overall color balance, particularly if there are recognizble gray (neutral) tones in the image. And by all means, learn to use the Curves tool. It's the key to getting good-looking images. rafe b.
Re: filmscanners: Printing: Settings, calibration & whatever
Blues do tend to come out a bit darker but I generally get an overall good match to screen with vibrant colours. I use Adobe 1998 on a PC. Assuming your using a PC, Ian Lyons has a good guide see: http://www.rgbnet.co.uk/ilyons/media_profiles/media_print_1.htm basically assuming you have photoshop colour management set up correctly download and install the ICC media profile. This is a direct link to the PC profile: http://www.btinternet.com/~ian.lyons/epson1270/1270profiles.zip then I print using Photoshop using source space set to "document" and Print space set to "Epson Stylus 1270 " and intent "perceptual". I set the printer driver mode to "custom" and select "advanced settings" and select "no colour adjustment". I also set the "media type" as appropriate but I don't think it matters when using no colour adjustment. Steve - Original Message - From: "Norman Unsworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 2:19 PM Subject: filmscanners: Printing: Settings, calibration & whatever > I've gotten a lot of very helpful information here that has allowed me to > develop the quality of both my scans (mostly using Vuescan on my Minolta > Scan Dual II) and the editing / adjusting of those scans in Photoshop 6. The > biggest problem I have is getting something to come out of my printer that > even vaguely resembles what I see on screen. I've calibrated my monitor > using the Adobe utility but get prints that are consistently, sometimes > significantly flat, especially in the blue range, but generally overall. > Admittedly, I have an older, 1440 dpi Epson and lust for a new 1270 but I > know I must be missing something. > > I've been using the Adobe RGB colorspace both from Vuescan and in > Photoshop - I don't pretend to know what is 'best' here' since I'm perfectly > satisfied with what I'm producing on screen and for the web. I've printed on > both Kodak and Epson high gloss, photo quality paper with the corresponding > paper / print quality settings in my printer software. > > I'd appreciate any suggestions / recommendations for getting print results > that more closely resemble what I see on the monitor. > > Norman Unsworth > > > >
Re: filmscanners: Printing: Settings, calibration & whatever
Your printer is looking for a good printer profile - it is essentially a filter that tells Photoshop how the printer prints colors and then adjusts the sent R-G-B messages accordingly. The Epson printers have some stock Printer Profiles available for sale online - you might check on the Leben Epson printer list or at Epson-Inkjet Resources: http://welcome.to/epson-inkjet There are companies that sell software to make your unique printer profile at not that great an expense, and this may be your best option. Two that come to mind are WiziWYG at http://www.praxisoft.com/products/wiziwyg.html and Profiler RGB at http://www.colorcal.com/ I would also recommend reading 2 of color-geek Bruce Fraser's articles online as a start: "Out of Gamut: Getting a Handle on Color Management Color-geek extraordinaire Bruce Fraser spells out the basics in this primer on color management systems." at http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/13605.html and, more for your present purposes, "Color-Accurate Inkjets Made EZ Three software programs claim to bring the power of high-end color science to desktop inkjet printers. In this exclusive hands-on review, we put them to the test" at http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/5708.html Maris - Original Message - From: "Norman Unsworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:19 AM Subject: filmscanners: Printing: Settings, calibration & whatever | I've gotten a lot of very helpful information here that has allowed me to | develop the quality of both my scans (mostly using Vuescan on my Minolta | Scan Dual II) and the editing / adjusting of those scans in Photoshop 6. The | biggest problem I have is getting something to come out of my printer that | even vaguely resembles what I see on screen. I've calibrated my monitor | using the Adobe utility but get prints that are consistently, sometimes | significantly flat, especially in the blue range, but generally overall. | Admittedly, I have an older, 1440 dpi Epson and lust for a new 1270 but I | know I must be missing something. | | I've been using the Adobe RGB colorspace both from Vuescan and in | Photoshop - I don't pretend to know what is 'best' here' since I'm perfectly | satisfied with what I'm producing on screen and for the web. I've printed on | both Kodak and Epson high gloss, photo quality paper with the corresponding | paper / print quality settings in my printer software. | | I'd appreciate any suggestions / recommendations for getting print results | that more closely resemble what I see on the monitor. | | Norman Unsworth | | | |
Re: filmscanners: Printing: Settings, calibration & whatever
>I've gotten a lot of very helpful information here that has allowed me to >develop the quality of both my scans (mostly using Vuescan on my Minolta >Scan Dual II) and the editing / adjusting of those scans in Photoshop 6. The >biggest problem I have is getting something to come out of my printer that >even vaguely resembles what I see on screen. I've calibrated my monitor >using the Adobe utility but get prints that are consistently, sometimes >significantly flat, especially in the blue range, but generally overall. >Admittedly, I have an older, 1440 dpi Epson and lust for a new 1270 but I >know I must be missing something. > >I've been using the Adobe RGB colorspace both from Vuescan and in >Photoshop - I don't pretend to know what is 'best' here' since I'm perfectly >satisfied with what I'm producing on screen and for the web. I've printed on >both Kodak and Epson high gloss, photo quality paper with the corresponding >paper / print quality settings in my printer software. > >I'd appreciate any suggestions / recommendations for getting print results >that more closely resemble what I see on the monitor. > >Norman Unsworth Norman, you didn't say what model printer but you might find some of the articles by Ian Lyons to be of help. See http://www.rgbnet.co.uk/ilyons/ Then go to his Photoshop Essays and scroll down through the titles. -- Bob Shomler http://www.shomler.com/gallery.htm
RE: filmscanners: Printing: Settings, calibration & whatever
I recently went through the same thing with my Epson 980. I suggest (as a starting point) to scan in Vuescan using sRGB, work in Adobe in sRGB and then print to the Epson 1270 using sRGB. Make sure you go to the Custom/Advanced/ page of the page setup dialog and check the sRGB box. After months of trying to get prints to match this works for me. Undeerstand that you will be giving up some gamat range, but as I said, to get start, try this. /fn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Norman Unsworth Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 7:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: filmscanners: Printing: Settings, calibration & whatever I've gotten a lot of very helpful information here that has allowed me to develop the quality of both my scans (mostly using Vuescan on my Minolta Scan Dual II) and the editing / adjusting of those scans in Photoshop 6. The biggest problem I have is getting something to come out of my printer that even vaguely resembles what I see on screen. I've calibrated my monitor using the Adobe utility but get prints that are consistently, sometimes significantly flat, especially in the blue range, but generally overall. Admittedly, I have an older, 1440 dpi Epson and lust for a new 1270 but I know I must be missing something. I've been using the Adobe RGB colorspace both from Vuescan and in Photoshop - I don't pretend to know what is 'best' here' since I'm perfectly satisfied with what I'm producing on screen and for the web. I've printed on both Kodak and Epson high gloss, photo quality paper with the corresponding paper / print quality settings in my printer software. I'd appreciate any suggestions / recommendations for getting print results that more closely resemble what I see on the monitor. Norman Unsworth
Re: filmscanners: Printing: Settings, calibration & whatever
Hi Norman, I feel you pain ;-) We may wish to carry on this discussion with me via private mail so we don't get too OT for the scanner list. I'll do this part on the list simply in case some people want to chime in with further observations: Here are my questions: 1) Which printer are you using, and what inks do you use? 2) Are you sending the images to the printer in CMYK or RGB format? 3) What printing settings are you using for the specific papers you use? 4) Have you attempted to adjust any of the printer driver settings or do you use them at default settings? 5) Under what lighting conditions do you view your monitor and your prints? The blue purple spectrum with Epson printers is always tricky, and a custom profile might be the only answer (I have not done so myself, and the blues are never quite as I'd like them) Don't assume the new printers are the answer, I get nice snappy prints using a 720 dpi Epson (Pro and Pro XL) The image on the monitor is a "back-lighted" image. You can never reproduce it on a piece of paper (until that light emitting polymer stuff comes out ;-)) Art Norman Unsworth wrote: > I've gotten a lot of very helpful information here that has allowed me to > develop the quality of both my scans (mostly using Vuescan on my Minolta > Scan Dual II) and the editing / adjusting of those scans in Photoshop 6. The > biggest problem I have is getting something to come out of my printer that > even vaguely resembles what I see on screen. I've calibrated my monitor > using the Adobe utility but get prints that are consistently, sometimes > significantly flat, especially in the blue range, but generally overall. > Admittedly, I have an older, 1440 dpi Epson and lust for a new 1270 but I > know I must be missing something. > > I've been using the Adobe RGB colorspace both from Vuescan and in > Photoshop - I don't pretend to know what is 'best' here' since I'm perfectly > satisfied with what I'm producing on screen and for the web. I've printed on > both Kodak and Epson high gloss, photo quality paper with the corresponding > paper / print quality settings in my printer software. > > I'd appreciate any suggestions / recommendations for getting print results > that more closely resemble what I see on the monitor. > > Norman Unsworth
RE: filmscanners: Printing: Settings, calibration & whatever
If you are using Silverfast I might suggest you take a look a Ian Lyons web site for a look at his tutorials. David -Original Message- From: Raphael Bustin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 11:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: filmscanners: Printing: Settings, calibration & whatever On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Norman Unsworth wrote: > I'd appreciate any suggestions / recommendations for getting print results > that more closely resemble what I see on the monitor. Here's my $ 0.02 Forget the color management stuff and learn to look at the RGB numbers a bit while in Photoshop. I still use Photoshop 4 which predates all this "color management" nonsense. Read "Professional Photoshop" by Dan Margulis to learn how this is done. Make sure each image has a reasonable black point and white point. If you're missing either of these, your printed images will look flat. It's asking a lot of your calibration hardware (not to mention your eyes) to set white point and black point "by eye." OTOH, it's very easy to do this using the Curves tool and the "Info" tool in Photoshop. This technique will also help with overall color balance, particularly if there are recognizble gray (neutral) tones in the image. And by all means, learn to use the Curves tool. It's the key to getting good-looking images. rafe b.
