RE: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else.
Yahoogroups offers a method of uploading, in bulk, a text file of all email addresses that require registration (though to register 1500+ would require cooperation from the Yahoogroups admins, as there is a limit of 500). It handles bounces by moving email addresses to a bounced members area. This could be got around by adding 500 names 3 times, IIRC. ;-) The other thing is that (except on days when the server slows down, which happens once in a while) the posts arrive pretty-much in real-time. I find that with the current list, I can post something, but it doesn't actually come back to me via the list for between 1-3 hours! Mark (expecting to receive this back at about 11am GMT ;-)
RE: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else.
I would third the suggestion to use Yahoogroups. It offers web-based, *threaded*, reading. A comprehensive search facility. Yahoogroups offers a method of uploading, in bulk, a text file of all email addresses that require registration (though to register 1500+ would require cooperation from the Yahoogroups admins, as there is a limit of 500). It handles bounces by moving email addresses to a bounced members area. Topica is a shambles by comparison. Steer clear. Tony, I hope you take this alternative seriously. Jawed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rob Geraghty Sent: 16 November 2001 23:36 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else. Mark Otway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively, you could move the list to a yahoogroups list. Which also allow more than one moderator so the work can be shared. Rob
Re: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else.
Tony, I appreciate your effort in maintaining the list, and would hate to see it go away. It seems to me, however, that how best to store images generated from filmscanners fully satisfies the issues arising from the use of clause in the charter, and is therefore not off topic. I agree that the thread degenerated into less practically useful info than I had hoped to glean from it. Lloyd - Original Message - From: Tony Sleep [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:31 PM Subject: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else. On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:43:37 +1100 Kevin Power ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm with you as it sure does get bitchy at times! If it happened on a list that I run, the offending member/s would get zapped along with their messages. Kevin. Unortunately the remote admin of this list does not permit such easy interdiction. All I can do is remove people and keep them removed. It is quite clear from the list charter that this list exists for the purpose of discussing filmscanners. I understand that sometimes conversations veer off topic, but I expect contributors to exercise restraint and take OT threads off list if they cannot be kept brief. Good manners are mandatory. Argument about ideas is fine, personal attacks are not. If anyone feels they cannot stick to the rules, they have two choices : leave, or be removed. Frankly I have had such a lot of trouble with this list lately, with admin taking up so much time I seldom have time to read up to date, let alone participate. 250 bounce mails today, and that after I spent 1hr weeding dead addresses; complaints from list members about conduct of some participants; inquiries about getting on or off the list, and so on. Furthermore the hosting renewal is so expensive that I am beginning to wonder why I don't just close it. I would rather not, because it is genuinely useful to a lot of people, but I would ask everyone to think carefully about whether what they are about to post is (a)a genuine question or (b)helpful, polite, relevant and of interest to a filmscanner community of ~1,500 people. IF NOT, DON'T. Here is the introductory text everyone gets when they subscribe. Please read it :- === Welcome to the filmscanners mailing list. Please read the following. If you have subscribed to this list previously, please note that some commands and addresses have changed since October 2000. By participating in the filmscanners list you agree to these terms, and you should save a copy of this message for future reference. This document is also available at www.halftone.co.uk and you may also subscribe or unsubscribe from there. You can instead subscribe to a Digest sent each day, or, during busy periods, more often. The Digest contains all messages posted to the list on that day, as a single email. Many people prefer this to 'real time' receipt of many separate emails. HOWEVER PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS DIGEST IS READ ONLY : YOU CANNOT POST TO THE LIST IF YOU ARE A DIGEST SUBSCRIBER. If you wish to post you will need to subscribe to the list proper. Please do not mail me and complain about this, this aspect of configuration is outside my control. ADDRESS FOR POSTING CONTRIBUTIONS [EMAIL PROTECTED] ADDRESS FOR COMMANDS eg 'help', 'subscribe' etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] HUMAN ASSISTANCE (last resort please!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOST WEBSITE http://www.halftone.co.uk Tony Sleep Photography UNSUBSCRIBING Please see the COMMANDS section below LIST CHARTER This list exists for the purpose of: - discussing purchasing decisions - discussing issues arising from the use of filmscanners - discussing reviews and other material available on WWW - disseminating news of new film scanners, drivers and software - notifying you of updates of http://www.halftone.co.uk, the host of this list RULES 1. Posting in plain text is required; HTML or MicroSoft formatted email is not welcome as it adds to bandwidth and many mail clients cannot understand it and present an illegible mess. MS Outlook users should take special care to turn off the default HTML by selecting 'Send as plain text'. 2. Posting encoded image binaries is permitted if they are relevant, but please keep file sizes below 80k. Use JPEG image encoding, and MIME attachment. Larger files will be bounced by Majordomo. However a better mechanism is to display the image on a web page and post the URL in an email. You may only post images which fulfil legal requirements regarding copyright. 3. Off topic messages. Whilst it is the nature of list discussions that ongoing conversations will sometimes veer Off Topic, I ask that members use restraint and good judgement. OT discussion quickly annoys list members; if you want to embark on a lengthy OT discussion which falls outside the List Charter
RE: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else.
Tony, Frankly I have had such a lot of trouble with this list lately, with admin taking up so much time I seldom have time to read up to date, let alone participate. 250 bounce mails today, and that after I spent 1hr weeding dead addresses; complaints from list members about conduct of some participants; inquiries about getting on or off the list, and so on. Furthermore the hosting renewal is so expensive that I am beginning to wonder why I don't just close it. Alternatively, you could move the list to a yahoogroups list. I'm on several lists which use this service (and I moderate two), and it's very simple and convenient. Bounces are managed automatically, and members can manage their subscriptions easily and efficiently. There's also a shared files are which can host up to 20Mb of files, making a useful place to exchange example images (rather than post them to the list as attachments). It'll cost you nothing to host, either. Sure, some ads are placed at the bottom of the posts that are sent, but there are various utilities in mail clients which can strip these out. I'd seriously consider it, as it could improve the list experience for everyone here, not least of all you as the Admin! Mark
RE: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else.
Tony, I would hate to see you close the list. I, for one, have learned a lot from many of the members and their contributions and want to thank you fro creating, maintaining and especially contributing to this list. Having said that, I confess I rarely review posts in detail anymore, with the exception of posts by a few who I know will be concise, informative and within the bounds of the list, because there is just so much that is either off topic, argumentative or so esoteric that it is of little use to me. Some of these 'discussions' just go on and on forever without even bothering to correct the topic of the thread, which has long since strayed far from the original subject, often from the purpose of the list. I can understand your frustration time limitations. Unfortunately, I have to agree with others and say that I think a more severe hand and more intensive monitoring and control is in order to return this list to something more generally beneficial. Norm Unsworth, Owner CS Golf (formerly Clark Systems Custom Golf) Outstanding Quality and Value in Custom Golf Equipment 609 641 5712 Please send email to me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit our Web Site at http://members.home.net/csgolf
Re: filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else.
Mark Otway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alternatively, you could move the list to a yahoogroups list. Which also allow more than one moderator so the work can be shared. Rob
filmscanners: ADMIN: Play nice, or else.
On Thu, 15 Nov 2001 08:43:37 +1100 Kevin Power ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I'm with you as it sure does get bitchy at times! If it happened on a list that I run, the offending member/s would get zapped along with their messages. Kevin. Unortunately the remote admin of this list does not permit such easy interdiction. All I can do is remove people and keep them removed. It is quite clear from the list charter that this list exists for the purpose of discussing filmscanners. I understand that sometimes conversations veer off topic, but I expect contributors to exercise restraint and take OT threads off list if they cannot be kept brief. Good manners are mandatory. Argument about ideas is fine, personal attacks are not. If anyone feels they cannot stick to the rules, they have two choices : leave, or be removed. Frankly I have had such a lot of trouble with this list lately, with admin taking up so much time I seldom have time to read up to date, let alone participate. 250 bounce mails today, and that after I spent 1hr weeding dead addresses; complaints from list members about conduct of some participants; inquiries about getting on or off the list, and so on. Furthermore the hosting renewal is so expensive that I am beginning to wonder why I don't just close it. I would rather not, because it is genuinely useful to a lot of people, but I would ask everyone to think carefully about whether what they are about to post is (a)a genuine question or (b)helpful, polite, relevant and of interest to a filmscanner community of ~1,500 people. IF NOT, DON'T. Here is the introductory text everyone gets when they subscribe. Please read it :- === Welcome to the filmscanners mailing list. Please read the following. If you have subscribed to this list previously, please note that some commands and addresses have changed since October 2000. By participating in the filmscanners list you agree to these terms, and you should save a copy of this message for future reference. This document is also available at www.halftone.co.uk and you may also subscribe or unsubscribe from there. You can instead subscribe to a Digest sent each day, or, during busy periods, more often. The Digest contains all messages posted to the list on that day, as a single email. Many people prefer this to 'real time' receipt of many separate emails. HOWEVER PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS DIGEST IS READ ONLY : YOU CANNOT POST TO THE LIST IF YOU ARE A DIGEST SUBSCRIBER. If you wish to post you will need to subscribe to the list proper. Please do not mail me and complain about this, this aspect of configuration is outside my control. ADDRESS FOR POSTING CONTRIBUTIONS [EMAIL PROTECTED] ADDRESS FOR COMMANDS eg 'help', 'subscribe' etc [EMAIL PROTECTED] HUMAN ASSISTANCE (last resort please!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] HOST WEBSITE http://www.halftone.co.uk Tony Sleep Photography UNSUBSCRIBING Please see the COMMANDS section below LIST CHARTER This list exists for the purpose of: - discussing purchasing decisions - discussing issues arising from the use of filmscanners - discussing reviews and other material available on WWW - disseminating news of new film scanners, drivers and software - notifying you of updates of http://www.halftone.co.uk, the host of this list RULES 1. Posting in plain text is required; HTML or MicroSoft formatted email is not welcome as it adds to bandwidth and many mail clients cannot understand it and present an illegible mess. MS Outlook users should take special care to turn off the default HTML by selecting 'Send as plain text'. 2. Posting encoded image binaries is permitted if they are relevant, but please keep file sizes below 80k. Use JPEG image encoding, and MIME attachment. Larger files will be bounced by Majordomo. However a better mechanism is to display the image on a web page and post the URL in an email. You may only post images which fulfil legal requirements regarding copyright. 3. Off topic messages. Whilst it is the nature of list discussions that ongoing conversations will sometimes veer Off Topic, I ask that members use restraint and good judgement. OT discussion quickly annoys list members; if you want to embark on a lengthy OT discussion which falls outside the List Charter (above), you must take it off list to private email. 4. Anyone who abuses this list or list members, or posts irrelevant material, advertising, or 'spam' will be removed and barred without warning. Signatures advertising websites or contact details are permitted, but please keep them to a tolerable length. Debate, even heated debate, is encouraged, but keep it polite please. Gender, race, sexual orientation, religious or political evangelism are of no relevance to this list, and are a fast track to permanent exclusion without warning. 5. Defamatory or otherwise actionable or illegal messages
