Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Steve, You are correct and I will change my ways. Maris - Original Message - From: "Steve Greenbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | Surely you should archive with the correct profile where it is known. You | can always ignore it later, but if you don't know what it is to start with | you can never get the exact archive image back. | | Steve | - Original Message - | From: "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 10:59 PM | Subject: Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | | | > Yes, for the web. But what about for print? My understanding is that | > colors outside of the sRGB gamut are printable, primarily cyans. | > | > My method, then, is to use Adobe or Bruce RGB for working with the image, | > then archive without any embedded color space, but convert to sRGB for | > posting on the web. | > | > Maris | > | > - Original Message - | > From: "Rob Geraghty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:27 AM | > Subject: Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | > | > [snipped] | > | > | In the absence of expensive hardware and software to accurately profile | my | > | whole setup, I'm beginning to think that sticking to sRGB is probably | the | > | simplest way out. | > | | > | Rob | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | > |
Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Surely you should archive with the correct profile where it is known. You can always ignore it later, but if you don't know what it is to start with you can never get the exact archive image back. Steve - Original Message - From: "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? > Yes, for the web. But what about for print? My understanding is that > colors outside of the sRGB gamut are printable, primarily cyans. > > My method, then, is to use Adobe or Bruce RGB for working with the image, > then archive without any embedded color space, but convert to sRGB for > posting on the web. > > Maris > > - Original Message - > From: "Rob Geraghty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:27 AM > Subject: Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? > > [snipped] > > | In the absence of expensive hardware and software to accurately profile my > | whole setup, I'm beginning to think that sticking to sRGB is probably the > | simplest way out. > | > | Rob > | > | > | > | > >
Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Yes, for the web. But what about for print? My understanding is that colors outside of the sRGB gamut are printable, primarily cyans. My method, then, is to use Adobe or Bruce RGB for working with the image, then archive without any embedded color space, but convert to sRGB for posting on the web. Maris - Original Message - From: "Rob Geraghty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 8:27 AM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? [snipped] | In the absence of expensive hardware and software to accurately profile my | whole setup, I'm beginning to think that sticking to sRGB is probably the | simplest way out. | | Rob | | | |
Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
"Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Qualification first - I don't know for a fact that only colors strictly > within the sRGB gamut can be displayed, but that is generally the case. According to what I've read on the Epson list, sRGB was a gamut designed around an average computer screen. Most people with filmscanners probably have better screens which are capable of a wider gamut. Having said that, if the monitor profile is the Windows defaut, not one specifically for the monitor, AFAIK it will be sRGB regardless of whether the monitor is capable of more. > and then of necessity alter the non-viewable colours so that they are > viewable, to the closest color displayable by the monitor. You will get an > impression of what the result will be - you will not see the actual result > until it is printed to paper, film, or whatever. And only then if the whole system is accurately profiled. Otherwise you'll see *a* result but not what you might expect. > Photoshop et.al., when showing color in another color space, will show you > how the colors relate to, or compare to each other, in that color space, > even though all of the colors in that color space are not viewable onscreen. Hm. I'm not really sure how it does that, but I follow what you're suggesting above about compressing the gamut to fit. Photoshop 5.5 has an "out of gamut" display but I'm unconvinced about its usefulness. In the absence of expensive hardware and software to accurately profile my whole setup, I'm beginning to think that sticking to sRGB is probably the simplest way out. Rob
Re: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Qualification first - I don't know for a fact that only colors strictly within the sRGB gamut can be displayed, but that is generally the case. Answer to the question - Photoshop cannot display those colours. A monitor cannot display colours that it cannot display. What Photoshop and similar programs do for non-sRGB colour gamuts is to alter the viewable colours so that they coincide with what the output (print, film, etc.) will be like, and then of necessity alter the non-viewable colours so that they are viewable, to the closest color displayable by the monitor. You will get an impression of what the result will be - you will not see the actual result until it is printed to paper, film, or whatever. Photoshop et.al., when showing color in another color space, will show you how the colors relate to, or compare to each other, in that color space, even though all of the colors in that color space are not viewable onscreen. Maris - Original Message - From: "Rob Geraghty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 9:37 PM Subject: filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | Maris wrote: | > I apologize - my message was wrong in a basic respect. The | > monitor profile screen will not change the color space | > viewed by Windows - that is set by Windows itself to be sRGB. | > It will change how the monitor shows the sRGB color space | > colors on-screen. | | If this is the case, how can a program like Photoshop ever display colours | outside the sRGB gamut? | | Rob | | | Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://wordweb.com | | | |
Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Ramesh, here's a cautionary side-note: when I tried to use Adobe RGB on my system, PS reset the color parameters *globally* beyond what my Dell Trinatron monitor could compensate for--so all my scans "looked" much darker than they really were and reacted badly (read "incredible noise") to any attempts to lighten them. This was probably a result of my inexperience in setting Color Management fields in the proper places (particularly in Windows), but the caveat is that Color management will sometimes do the unexpected (and undesired), if *all* the proper settings are not in place. And the software doesn't do this automatically. Best regards--LRA >From: "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? >Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 20:13:05 -0500 > >Ramesh, > >I apologize - my message was wrong in a basic respect. The monitor profile >screen will not change the color space viewed by Windows - that is set by >Windows itself to be sRGB. It will change how the monitor shows the sRGB >color space colors on-screen. > >My note to Al Bond just now will hopefully clear this up. > >Maris > >- Original Message - >From: "Ramesh Kumar_C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 5:26 PM >Subject: RE: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? > > >| Al Bond Wrote: >| >>Now I'm confused - I thought that this page sets the monitor profile >| rather than default >| >>system colour space? >| >| If I understand you correctly... >| >| Using this dialog you can add many colour profiles(Using button) >and >| can also set one among them as default(Using button). >| >| -Original Message- >| From: Al Bond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >| Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:57 PM >| To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >| Subject: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? >| >| >| Maris wrote: >| >| > Windows interprets your embedded profile as an sRGB image and adjusts >the >| > colors accordingly. >| > >| > You will have to change your Windows "Display" setting (in Win98SE it's >| > "Control Panel-Display-Settings-Advanced-Color Management") if you want >to >| > modify this. >| >| Now I'm confused - I thought that this page sets the monitor profile >rather >| than default >| system colour space? >| >| >| Al Bond >| > _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
filmscanners: RE: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Ramesh wrote: > But my image is tagged as ProPhotoRGB. I think, before interpreting > as sRGB, windows is supposed to do some gamut mapping from > ProPhotoRGB to sRGB. The tag is only used if the software is aware of it. Windows ignores embedded profiles AFAIK. As I think Maris suggested, you'd need to convert the image to sRGB in Photoshop then save it as a different name before using the new file for wallpaper. Otherwise Windows will interpret the RGB values as sRGB and they will look flat. Rob Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wordweb.com
filmscanners: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Maris wrote: > I apologize - my message was wrong in a basic respect. The > monitor profile screen will not change the color space > viewed by Windows - that is set by Windows itself to be sRGB. > It will change how the monitor shows the sRGB color space > colors on-screen. If this is the case, how can a program like Photoshop ever display colours outside the sRGB gamut? Rob Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wordweb.com
Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Yes - Adobe RGB is a wider color space than is sRGB, and Photoshop therefore ~stretches~ out the viewable colors to accord with that wider color space. By converting to sRGB you told Photoshop to compress the colors into the sRGB color space, that physically viewable by the monitor, and you saw the colors brightened. Maris - Original Message - From: "Gordon Tassi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 6:10 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | Sorry to post so late on this. I had a similar problem. I had saved a | Vuescan tiff image of a sunset in Adobe RGB onto a disk. When I opened it | in Adobe 6.0, I told the program not to convert it and the the colors were | flat. When I reopened it and told the program to convert it to sRGB and colors | were restored. | | Gordon | | Gordon | | "Maris V. Lidaka, Sr." wrote: | | > I think that's the rub - Windows is not Photoshop. Windows ignores the | > embedded profile - Windows does sRGB so Windows makes it sRGB and ignores | > the tag. Windows does not do gamut mapping to my knowledge. | > | > Maris | > | > - Original Message - | > From: "Ramesh Kumar_C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:32 AM | > Subject: RE: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | > | > | Hi Maris | > | Thanks for responding. | > | | > | >>Windows interprets your embedded profile as an sRGB image and adjusts | > the | > | >>colors accordingly. | > | But my image is tagged as ProPhotoRGB. I think, before interpreting as | > | sRGB, | > | windows is supposed to do some gamut mapping from ProPhotoRGB to sRGB. | > | | > | | > | Thanks | > | Ramesh | > | -Original Message- | > | From: Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | > | Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 5:48 PM | > | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | > | Subject: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | > | | > | | > | I use Windows 98SE so I'm not sure what the settings would be in Win2000, | > | but it depends on your Windows "Display" settings. The default Windows | > | color space setting is sRGB, so that would explain why your wallpaper | > looks | > | the same as Windows wallpaper and in AcdSee as (I assume) AcdSee is using | > | the Windows default as it's color space as well. | > | | > | Windows interprets your embedded profile as an sRGB image and adjusts the | > | colors accordingly. | > | | > | You will have to change your Windows "Display" setting (in Win98SE it's | > | "Control Panel-Display-Settings-Advanced-Color Management") if you want to | > | modify this. | > | | > | Maris | > | | > | - Original Message - | > | From: "Ramesh Kumar_C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > | Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:22 PM | > | Subject: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | > | | > | | > | | Hi | > | | I know this questioon has been asked in this list for N'number of | > | | times, but I am forced to ask again. | > | | | > | | I scanned the negative in VS, using "ProPhoto" as colour space. Scanned | > | | output had profile embedded in it. | > | | I edited this image in Adobe PS6.0 and saved on to disk. I set this | > image | > | as | > | | wallpaper of my desktop and also opened this image in AcdSee viewer. | > | | Now comes the problem, the image shown in AcdSee & wallpaper does NOT | > | match | > | | with the image shown in Adobe PS6.0. | > | | | > | | To be specific the image shown as wall paper and image shown in AcdSee | > | | viewer are slightly less saturated compared to the one shown in Adobe | > | PS6.0. | > | | Image shown as wall paper and image shown in AcdSee viewer match well. | > | | | > | | | > | | | > | | My PS6.0 setting: | > | | Working space: Adobe1998 (This does not matter though) | > | | Using embedded profile while editing the image. | > | | | > | | | > | | Operating System: | > | | Win2000 Sp2. | > | | | > | | | > | | I do not know why the 3 images are NOT matching. If the operating system | > | is | > | | following CMM then 3 images should match. | > | | | > | | I have calibrated my monitor using "AdobeGamma", but I think this should | > | not | > | | matter if the image is being viewed on same desktop. | > | | | > | | Please let me know why all the 3 images are NOT matching. | > | | | > | | | > | | I did another experiment, In Adobe PS6.0, I converted image to sRGB and | > | | saved. I set this image as wallpaper of my desktop and opened this image | > | in | > | | AcdSee viewer. Now all the 3 images matched perfectly. | > | | | > | | Does this mean, Win2000 assumes that image is in sRGB? | > | | | > | | Please throw some light on this issue, feel free to ask for more | > | information | > | | about the scenario. | > | | | > | | | > | | | > | | Thanks | > | | Ramesh | > | | | > | | |
Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Ramesh, I apologize - my message was wrong in a basic respect. The monitor profile screen will not change the color space viewed by Windows - that is set by Windows itself to be sRGB. It will change how the monitor shows the sRGB color space colors on-screen. My note to Al Bond just now will hopefully clear this up. Maris - Original Message - From: "Ramesh Kumar_C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: RE: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | Al Bond Wrote: | >>Now I'm confused - I thought that this page sets the monitor profile | rather than default | >>system colour space? | | If I understand you correctly... | | Using this dialog you can add many colour profiles(Using button) and | can also set one among them as default(Using button). | | -Original Message- | From: Al Bond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:57 PM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | | | Maris wrote: | | > Windows interprets your embedded profile as an sRGB image and adjusts the | > colors accordingly. | > | > You will have to change your Windows "Display" setting (in Win98SE it's | > "Control Panel-Display-Settings-Advanced-Color Management") if you want to | > modify this. | | Now I'm confused - I thought that this page sets the monitor profile rather | than default | system colour space? | | | Al Bond |
Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Sorry - you are correct that the "Display" setting page sets the monitor profile, which is the filter for how the monitor displays the colors it can and does display. I just tested my display by changing the color space to Bruce RGB and there was no change. But getting back to your original question, Photoshop displays color in accordance with your instructions to it - you had instructed it to display the colors as ProPhoto saw them and that is how they appeared. When you viewed the image as wallpaper, Windows saw and displayed the colors as sRGB saw them. Windows does not read the embedded profile. One way to do it - open the image in Photoshop and then "Save to Web" - see if you like it. If not, convert the image to the sRGB space in Photoshop and adjust it to you liking, then save it as wallpaper and for AcdSee. Maris - Original Message - From: "Al Bond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | Maris wrote: | | > Windows interprets your embedded profile as an sRGB image and adjusts the | > colors accordingly. | > | > You will have to change your Windows "Display" setting (in Win98SE it's | > "Control Panel-Display-Settings-Advanced-Color Management") if you want to | > modify this. | | Now I'm confused - I thought that this page sets the monitor profile rather than default | system colour space? | | | Al Bond |
RE: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Al Bond Wrote: >>Now I'm confused - I thought that this page sets the monitor profile rather than default >>system colour space? If I understand you correctly... Using this dialog you can add many colour profiles(Using button) and can also set one among them as default(Using button). -Original Message- From: Al Bond [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:57 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? Maris wrote: > Windows interprets your embedded profile as an sRGB image and adjusts the > colors accordingly. > > You will have to change your Windows "Display" setting (in Win98SE it's > "Control Panel-Display-Settings-Advanced-Color Management") if you want to > modify this. Now I'm confused - I thought that this page sets the monitor profile rather than default system colour space? Al Bond
Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
I think that's the rub - Windows is not Photoshop. Windows ignores the embedded profile - Windows does sRGB so Windows makes it sRGB and ignores the tag. Windows does not do gamut mapping to my knowledge. Maris - Original Message - From: "Ramesh Kumar_C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 11:32 AM Subject: RE: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | Hi Maris | Thanks for responding. | | >>Windows interprets your embedded profile as an sRGB image and adjusts the | >>colors accordingly. | But my image is tagged as ProPhotoRGB. I think, before interpreting as | sRGB, | windows is supposed to do some gamut mapping from ProPhotoRGB to sRGB. | | | Thanks | Ramesh | -Original Message- | From: Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 5:48 PM | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Subject: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | | | I use Windows 98SE so I'm not sure what the settings would be in Win2000, | but it depends on your Windows "Display" settings. The default Windows | color space setting is sRGB, so that would explain why your wallpaper looks | the same as Windows wallpaper and in AcdSee as (I assume) AcdSee is using | the Windows default as it's color space as well. | | Windows interprets your embedded profile as an sRGB image and adjusts the | colors accordingly. | | You will have to change your Windows "Display" setting (in Win98SE it's | "Control Panel-Display-Settings-Advanced-Color Management") if you want to | modify this. | | Maris | | - Original Message - | From: "Ramesh Kumar_C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:22 PM | Subject: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | | | | Hi | | I know this questioon has been asked in this list for N'number of | | times, but I am forced to ask again. | | | | I scanned the negative in VS, using "ProPhoto" as colour space. Scanned | | output had profile embedded in it. | | I edited this image in Adobe PS6.0 and saved on to disk. I set this image | as | | wallpaper of my desktop and also opened this image in AcdSee viewer. | | Now comes the problem, the image shown in AcdSee & wallpaper does NOT | match | | with the image shown in Adobe PS6.0. | | | | To be specific the image shown as wall paper and image shown in AcdSee | | viewer are slightly less saturated compared to the one shown in Adobe | PS6.0. | | Image shown as wall paper and image shown in AcdSee viewer match well. | | | | | | | | My PS6.0 setting: | | Working space: Adobe1998 (This does not matter though) | | Using embedded profile while editing the image. | | | | | | Operating System: | | Win2000 Sp2. | | | | | | I do not know why the 3 images are NOT matching. If the operating system | is | | following CMM then 3 images should match. | | | | I have calibrated my monitor using "AdobeGamma", but I think this should | not | | matter if the image is being viewed on same desktop. | | | | Please let me know why all the 3 images are NOT matching. | | | | | | I did another experiment, In Adobe PS6.0, I converted image to sRGB and | | saved. I set this image as wallpaper of my desktop and opened this image | in | | AcdSee viewer. Now all the 3 images matched perfectly. | | | | Does this mean, Win2000 assumes that image is in sRGB? | | | | Please throw some light on this issue, feel free to ask for more | information | | about the scenario. | | | | | | | | Thanks | | Ramesh | | |
Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Maris wrote: > Windows interprets your embedded profile as an sRGB image and adjusts the > colors accordingly. > > You will have to change your Windows "Display" setting (in Win98SE it's > "Control Panel-Display-Settings-Advanced-Color Management") if you want to > modify this. Now I'm confused - I thought that this page sets the monitor profile rather than default system colour space? Al Bond
RE: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Hi Maris Thanks for responding. >>Windows interprets your embedded profile as an sRGB image and adjusts the >>colors accordingly. But my image is tagged as ProPhotoRGB. I think, before interpreting as sRGB, windows is supposed to do some gamut mapping from ProPhotoRGB to sRGB. Thanks Ramesh -Original Message- From: Maris V. Lidaka, Sr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 5:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? I use Windows 98SE so I'm not sure what the settings would be in Win2000, but it depends on your Windows "Display" settings. The default Windows color space setting is sRGB, so that would explain why your wallpaper looks the same as Windows wallpaper and in AcdSee as (I assume) AcdSee is using the Windows default as it's color space as well. Windows interprets your embedded profile as an sRGB image and adjusts the colors accordingly. You will have to change your Windows "Display" setting (in Win98SE it's "Control Panel-Display-Settings-Advanced-Color Management") if you want to modify this. Maris - Original Message - From: "Ramesh Kumar_C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | Hi | I know this questioon has been asked in this list for N'number of | times, but I am forced to ask again. | | I scanned the negative in VS, using "ProPhoto" as colour space. Scanned | output had profile embedded in it. | I edited this image in Adobe PS6.0 and saved on to disk. I set this image as | wallpaper of my desktop and also opened this image in AcdSee viewer. | Now comes the problem, the image shown in AcdSee & wallpaper does NOT match | with the image shown in Adobe PS6.0. | | To be specific the image shown as wall paper and image shown in AcdSee | viewer are slightly less saturated compared to the one shown in Adobe PS6.0. | Image shown as wall paper and image shown in AcdSee viewer match well. | | | | My PS6.0 setting: | Working space: Adobe1998 (This does not matter though) | Using embedded profile while editing the image. | | | Operating System: | Win2000 Sp2. | | | I do not know why the 3 images are NOT matching. If the operating system is | following CMM then 3 images should match. | | I have calibrated my monitor using "AdobeGamma", but I think this should not | matter if the image is being viewed on same desktop. | | Please let me know why all the 3 images are NOT matching. | | | I did another experiment, In Adobe PS6.0, I converted image to sRGB and | saved. I set this image as wallpaper of my desktop and opened this image in | AcdSee viewer. Now all the 3 images matched perfectly. | | Does this mean, Win2000 assumes that image is in sRGB? | | Please throw some light on this issue, feel free to ask for more information | about the scenario. | | | | Thanks | Ramesh |
Re: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
I use Windows 98SE so I'm not sure what the settings would be in Win2000, but it depends on your Windows "Display" settings. The default Windows color space setting is sRGB, so that would explain why your wallpaper looks the same as Windows wallpaper and in AcdSee as (I assume) AcdSee is using the Windows default as it's color space as well. Windows interprets your embedded profile as an sRGB image and adjusts the colors accordingly. You will have to change your Windows "Display" setting (in Win98SE it's "Control Panel-Display-Settings-Advanced-Color Management") if you want to modify this. Maris - Original Message - From: "Ramesh Kumar_C" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:22 PM Subject: filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000? | Hi | I know this questioon has been asked in this list for N'number of | times, but I am forced to ask again. | | I scanned the negative in VS, using "ProPhoto" as colour space. Scanned | output had profile embedded in it. | I edited this image in Adobe PS6.0 and saved on to disk. I set this image as | wallpaper of my desktop and also opened this image in AcdSee viewer. | Now comes the problem, the image shown in AcdSee & wallpaper does NOT match | with the image shown in Adobe PS6.0. | | To be specific the image shown as wall paper and image shown in AcdSee | viewer are slightly less saturated compared to the one shown in Adobe PS6.0. | Image shown as wall paper and image shown in AcdSee viewer match well. | | | | My PS6.0 setting: | Working space: Adobe1998 (This does not matter though) | Using embedded profile while editing the image. | | | Operating System: | Win2000 Sp2. | | | I do not know why the 3 images are NOT matching. If the operating system is | following CMM then 3 images should match. | | I have calibrated my monitor using "AdobeGamma", but I think this should not | matter if the image is being viewed on same desktop. | | Please let me know why all the 3 images are NOT matching. | | | I did another experiment, In Adobe PS6.0, I converted image to sRGB and | saved. I set this image as wallpaper of my desktop and opened this image in | AcdSee viewer. Now all the 3 images matched perfectly. | | Does this mean, Win2000 assumes that image is in sRGB? | | Please throw some light on this issue, feel free to ask for more information | about the scenario. | | | | Thanks | Ramesh |
filmscanners: Does CMM work on Win2000?
Hi I know this questioon has been asked in this list for N'number of times, but I am forced to ask again. I scanned the negative in VS, using "ProPhoto" as colour space. Scanned output had profile embedded in it. I edited this image in Adobe PS6.0 and saved on to disk. I set this image as wallpaper of my desktop and also opened this image in AcdSee viewer. Now comes the problem, the image shown in AcdSee & wallpaper does NOT match with the image shown in Adobe PS6.0. To be specific the image shown as wall paper and image shown in AcdSee viewer are slightly less saturated compared to the one shown in Adobe PS6.0. Image shown as wall paper and image shown in AcdSee viewer match well. My PS6.0 setting: Working space: Adobe1998 (This does not matter though) Using embedded profile while editing the image. Operating System: Win2000 Sp2. I do not know why the 3 images are NOT matching. If the operating system is following CMM then 3 images should match. I have calibrated my monitor using "AdobeGamma", but I think this should not matter if the image is being viewed on same desktop. Please let me know why all the 3 images are NOT matching. I did another experiment, In Adobe PS6.0, I converted image to sRGB and saved. I set this image as wallpaper of my desktop and opened this image in AcdSee viewer. Now all the 3 images matched perfectly. Does this mean, Win2000 assumes that image is in sRGB? Please throw some light on this issue, feel free to ask for more information about the scenario. Thanks Ramesh
